BG3 2nd Level Spells Tier List

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Aestus_RPG

Aestus_RPG

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My analysis of the 2nd level spells in Baldur's Gate 3.
Timestamps:
00:00:00 - Intro
00:02:11 - Aid
00:05:45 - Arcane Lock
00:07:54 - Barkskin
00:09:01 - Blindness
00:11:23 - Blur
00:12:29 - Branding Smite
00:14:23 - Cloud of Daggers
00:17:20 - Crown of Madness
00:19:17 - Darkness
00:20:17 - Detect Thots
00:20:54 - Enhance Ability
00:22:56 - Enlarge/Reduce
00:26:15 - Enthrall
00:27:16 - Flame Blade
00:29:43 - Flaming Sphere
00:31:39 - Gust of Wind
00:32:59 - Heat Metal
00:35:25 - Hold Person
00:37:05 - Invisibility
00:38:29 - Knock
00:39:08 - Lesser Restoration
00:40:23 - Magic Weapon
00:41:05 - Melf's Acid Arrow
00:42:34 - Mirror Image
00:44:15 - Misty Step
00:45:17 - Moonbeam
00:48:00 - Pass without a Trace
00:49:33 - Phantasmal Force
00:51:01 - Prayer of Healing
00:52:18 - Protection from Poison
00:53:41 - Ray of Enfeeblement
00:55:28 - Scorching Ray
00:58:05 - Shatter
00:59:38 - Silence
01:01:27 - Spike Growth
01:03:25 - Spiritual Weapon
01:05:44 - Warding Bond
01:09:41 - Web
01:11:12 - Calm Emotions

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@Rahdwiin
@Rahdwiin 7 ай бұрын
I would say that you definitely keep some bias towards the Crown of Madness, as I myself at first didn't really like much what I could get from the spell. However, once you start kicking in some good amount of spell DC, you can very very consistently land Crown of Madness on enemies, and when you do so, there is really nothing buggy, it really just makes enemies waste a TONS of their turns while literally killing the one you targeted with the spell. And you just have to use it with the slightest of care for the mad enemy to never really target any of your own allies. Bonus is, if coupled with sorcerer with twinned metamagic, because it allows you to cast and keep TWO enemies mad for the cost of a single Lv2 spell slot, and merely 2 sorcery points. In many fights this can literally win the fight by itself for you, like for example the Shar cultists, where there are exactly two humanoids there much more powerful than the others and easily susceptible to madness, and if you crown them with it, they will literally slaughter all the others enemies while these enemies will be focusing mainly on them. In late game? I would say this is a S tier for me, because it really changes the entire fight and has tremendous impact. Overall? I would put it as a low A because in the early game it's quite unreliable, and while a Lv2 slot is nothing later on, in the early game it's quite costy to use like this.
@Aestus_RPG
@Aestus_RPG 7 ай бұрын
Is there situation where its better then casting Hold Person?
@Rahdwiin
@Rahdwiin 7 ай бұрын
@@Aestus_RPG Yeah, in my opinion, plenty. While Hold Person is also extremely good and ideally you would keep both, it's entirely single target, as in that you use it to neutralize a single enemy in the fight, and it will be really neutralized. Crown of Madness meanwhile, while being less effective on a single target, (depending of the fight, because if the fight has plenty of powerful enemies and they all attack the one you made mad, then this one single target will be demolished too) it really shines in completely disrupting the battle for the enemies, because a well targeted Crown of Madness will cause plenty of enemies to waste their turns for 3 whole turns, provided the target can tank this long, while also dealing and taking damage. It is in my opinion a better version of Confusion, because it is much more reliable, costs less, and can combo much better with others things (like the twinned spell).
@Aestus_RPG
@Aestus_RPG 7 ай бұрын
@@Rahdwiin Wait, unaffected enemies will attack the mad target? I've never had that happen to me before.
@Rahdwiin
@Rahdwiin 7 ай бұрын
@@Aestus_RPG Yes, they will, and that is absolutely nuts for me with how much it can disrupt the fights. Perhaps you need to keep a certain distance from them, so that they won't go all the way towards you, I would have to test, but they definitively do that. In the example I mentioned of the Shar's cultists, it was after having killed Viconia and returning to them after making Shadowheart refuse Shar, so they all got hostile. I twinned a Crown of Madness one at each of the sides of the arena, since it was divided in 2 groups, on the strongest foe, and both of the sides died without me having to do anything else at all. The mad ones killed all the minor ones while the minor ones tried to fight them back, and then the two maddened ones went to kill each other on the last turn, leaving for me to just finish off the survivor of this death match. Another one time I used it and it was quite fun was against Minsc group when you catch them with the money and the fake Jaheira. I made Minsc and a random other one mad, and they also essentially all killed each other, with the only problem that they killed Minsc who was mad, and the true Jaheira treated it as if I killed him myself, and thus abandoned the party.
@Aestus_RPG
@Aestus_RPG 7 ай бұрын
@@Rahdwiin Damn... Yeah in that case I agree it 100% has a use that is unique to Hold Person. I probably rank it equal to Hold Person, which is high A-tier. TY for the info!
@Sindrella.
@Sindrella. 7 ай бұрын
Been sitting at my computer for nine days straight, unmoving and unwavering, as I eagerly awaited this next installment in the spell tier list
@Aestus_RPG
@Aestus_RPG 7 ай бұрын
I'm truly sorry it took so long!
@mmogeek1
@mmogeek1 7 ай бұрын
I think darkness definitely deserves its spot even though fog cloud exists. The devil's sight invocation makes it so good, free advantage and basically immunity. I could see a double warlock comp using it as its main tactic, just gotta remember it wont work against devils!
@mistakai4226
@mistakai4226 7 ай бұрын
Darkness breaks the game when combined with a bonus action hide or bonus action attack.
@senexiratus973
@senexiratus973 7 ай бұрын
I had my shadow monk go down, got up, cast darkness, healed up without assistance. Like Sanctuary, then popped out and back in rest of the battle.
@eathotdog
@eathotdog 7 ай бұрын
The enemy ai reacts to it in very weird ways as well, sometimes fumbling around or jumping back into the darkness after getting out.
@Avoncarstien
@Avoncarstien 7 ай бұрын
This. The fact even a 2-level warlock dip can be so powerful and give access to Devil's Sight... run it in a party comp of like...Warlock/bard, lock+Abj wiz, and some kind of Paladin hybrid? You could have a whole or near-whole party build around this and it would be positively comical XD The bonus action hide works just as well as well with Fog Cloud, but Devil's Sight definitely deserves a specific callout for how situationally insane it is with this. It's basically like free blindness on the entire enemy side of the encounter, no-save, while you're fine. And again....Eldritch Blast is *so* good >_> the opportunity cost of going into warlock isn't even all that bad. The only trick is there are so many good invocations available at level 2, you're pretty pressed for choices 😅
@mistakai4226
@mistakai4226 7 ай бұрын
@@Avoncarstien it's not really a choice when one invocation let's you talk to animals and one invocation makes you invulnerable to 95% of the enemies in the game. The AI needs some serious work.
@Zettern96
@Zettern96 7 ай бұрын
Another problem with Arcane Lock is that most doors are easliy destroyed so in most situations it makes one enemy use one action to destroy the door.
@Krater84
@Krater84 7 ай бұрын
And sometimes they will bypass it, if area transition is involved
@alexcompositionflat
@alexcompositionflat 7 ай бұрын
He never casted the spell in combat so he didn’t actually know how it worked.
@Rahdwiin
@Rahdwiin 7 ай бұрын
That's not really true. While it doesn't makes this spell any better than B tier due its niche use, when it can be used, the doors aren't really this easily destroyed. Almost every door has the passive resistance thing that nulifies any damage below a certain threshold, and specially in the early and mid game, many enemies are literally unable to break them no matter how much they attack, because they simply can't surpass the threshold with their attacks and thus they always deal 0 of damage to the door.
@Tiltigo
@Tiltigo 7 ай бұрын
I feel like upcasting arcane lock should make the door more durable.
@oliorogue
@oliorogue 7 ай бұрын
Sigh... I want to love arcane lock...
@Vi0ar
@Vi0ar 7 ай бұрын
It might have been patched, but if you cast crown of madness outside of combat to non aggressive enemies turn hostile to their ally and they will attack them.Even if you fail it doesn't start combat. It's a little cheesy but it was a major reason I was able to do the gith camp and moonrise as a solo wizard.
@parsus7797
@parsus7797 4 ай бұрын
59:42 - about Silence. The Sussur weapons only silence on a saving throw. Silence also shuts down some magical reactions from casters like Lorroakan, Ethel (even her legendary actions in honor mode), prevents Priestress Gut from calling for help, makes you immune to Gryms legendary action, cancels the effects of the Harpy Song and casting it on npc's does not trigger a fight/negative reaction which means that in some cases you can prep it out of combat and make it action economy free.
@aaronleland2096
@aaronleland2096 Ай бұрын
One thing that's not obvious either; it's a ritual spell. I don't know the exact conditions, I think it's a free cast once per short rest and after that it costs a level 2 spell slot, but how often are you casting this more than once per short rest?
@parsus7797
@parsus7797 Ай бұрын
@@aaronleland2096 Ritual casts are completely free to cast outside of combat or the turn-based mode.
@mrdoomman97
@mrdoomman97 7 ай бұрын
Crown of madness is indeed pretty inconsistent but oh man when it works it's insane. I Crowned the goblin boss in front of the windmill with the gnome tied to it and he tossed his smoke powder bomb into his own crowd, killed a random goblin, then walked through 3 attacks of opportunity and died. Ending the encounter with a single 2nd spell slot. While other times i've cast it they just walked up to an ally and attacked them.
@Aestus_RPG
@Aestus_RPG 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, I completely whiffed on Crown of Madness. Its very good actually.
@Mikee512
@Mikee512 7 ай бұрын
Out of combat, Arcane Lock can be used in situations where you want to control the patrol region / foot traffic of neutral NPCs, mostly for thievery. There are always like 10 different ways to steal without getting caught, but in certain areas (usually densely populated ones with lots of patrols), Arcane Lock can be situationally "not useless." There are some buildings (mostly act 3) where the NPCs seem to have E.S.P. about missing items.
@ThunderBolt1915
@ThunderBolt1915 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, for instance in the Society of Brilliance
@IsilionNELE
@IsilionNELE 7 ай бұрын
can you give examples? In my experience there's not a single container that can't be looted by stealth+turn based. And thanks to Alfira EVERY party has someone who is proficient with musical instruments. 1 second of playing an instrument is already enough to make NPCs turn their vision cones away from a container.
@shivafrost1317
@shivafrost1317 7 ай бұрын
One thing you missed about acid arrow is that it also leaves acid surface. So when you cast it even if it does not hit it can still be a -2 AC on the enemy for at least a turn.
@slimevagrant
@slimevagrant 7 ай бұрын
One thing that Darkness has over Fog Cloud is that ranged attacks can't be made through it. Even normally auto-hit ones like magic missile will just get completely blocked by it. This can make it an excellent defensive option when fighting a lot of ranged attackers. A good example is the battle with Yurgir and his army of snipers. I had my party hide in darkness while the enemies were just getting chipped away by hunger of hadar and moonbeam.They couldn't even touch me.
@TacticalStrudel
@TacticalStrudel 7 ай бұрын
The battle where halsin goes through a portal that you have to protect. I cast darkness on the portal and none of their arrows could touch it.
@pafoa6terencereybernardoch63
@pafoa6terencereybernardoch63 7 ай бұрын
That battle over the bridge at bhaalist temple where there is a guy casting power word kill is one of the best uses of this spell. Archers are using arrows that knock you off the bridge for an insta kill. So completely covering your passage by alternating darkness on 2 casters ensures you safe passage.
@galax12370
@galax12370 7 ай бұрын
nere fight without any cheese was literally saved by darkness.
@dasphoenixable
@dasphoenixable 7 ай бұрын
I was going to say the same thing. On my warlock play through I cast darkness almost every fight once I had it. I don’t think I cast fog cloud once.
@jlstudio1050
@jlstudio1050 Ай бұрын
Darkness also doesn't aggro NPC while fog cloud does. Found out the hard way
@Coolguy98765432q457
@Coolguy98765432q457 5 ай бұрын
These tier lists are so helpful as someone who is not that well versed in DnD and was completely overwhelmed by all the spell and feat choices this game has.
@SubmitToTheBiomass
@SubmitToTheBiomass 3 ай бұрын
Pathfinder WOTR would make your head explode then
@dathunderman4
@dathunderman4 2 ай бұрын
He makes these lists from the perspective of someone playing Honour mode so they may not always apply to a beginner playing on standard difficulty
@lukestaniscia2513
@lukestaniscia2513 7 ай бұрын
You are the best at what you do and have taught me SO much about BG3. Thanks for all the hard work. It is appreciated
@conorduh
@conorduh 7 ай бұрын
been really enjoying your rankings and tierlists lately, thanks for another one :), your defo my fav bg3 youtuber right now :)
@Aestus_RPG
@Aestus_RPG 7 ай бұрын
Thank you! I appreciate the encouragement!
@Sotanaht01
@Sotanaht01 7 ай бұрын
Enthrall doesn't do what you think it does. What enthrall does is force an NPC to look at the caster OUTSIDE OF COMBAT, and narrows their vision cone to a very thin line. Casting it is not a hostile action and cannot be "caught" in tactician mode the way Charm spells can. It's mostly a useless spell, only technically good for pick-pocketing or other thieving, but Fog Cloud or Darkness usually do that job much better and easier.
@Avoncarstien
@Avoncarstien 7 ай бұрын
Minor Illusion as well, if you need to get someone looking a particular direction
@SubmitToTheBiomass
@SubmitToTheBiomass 3 ай бұрын
Yeah, with Minor Illusion being free as a cantrip it's the best choice for pickpocketing shenanigans. Combined with good timing and entering turn-based mode at the right moment, it's all you need. Wouldn't waste a cast of Fog Cloud or Darkness for it.
@Sotanaht01
@Sotanaht01 3 ай бұрын
@@SubmitToTheBiomass Minor Illusion is far from the best choice. NPCs will very frequently turn and look at you when you get close instead of the illusion, and it doesn't really last that long. As far as FREE options, it's still really good, but I think Enthrall is probably far more reliable against a single NPC. If vision obscuring spells like Fog Cloud didn't exist or counted as a hostile action, I might consider it worthwhile.
@rings-cn1yn
@rings-cn1yn 7 ай бұрын
Lot of people putting out similar BG3 content to you, but you're my fave. Good work dude.
@SouthernShodan
@SouthernShodan 5 ай бұрын
Only watched a few of your videos on BG3. I'm already at the point of hitting like right as I start the video playing. Good job.
@NathanT_Performer
@NathanT_Performer 7 ай бұрын
Bard with enhance abilitiy and expertise in sleight of hand. Now you don't need a rogue in the party
@MichelDood
@MichelDood 7 ай бұрын
or get the act 1 zentarim gloves and free up your concentration
@solverrex
@solverrex 7 ай бұрын
As soon as you can get to Zhent hideout and buy Gloves of Thievery, enhance ability becomes redundant for sleight of hand. And in Mountain Pass you can just buy a robe that gives you cat's grace, so yeah, usable for 2-3 long rests at most.
@PaulSmith-nb6md
@PaulSmith-nb6md 7 ай бұрын
I love Spike growth. I just used it for the first time in the fight in the hatchery in act 2 and it made a fight against a lot of enemies a cake walk
@r6TrdSlow
@r6TrdSlow 7 ай бұрын
I’ve really enjoyed this series. As someone who likes to test things out and just better understand what I’m doing - and this being such a complex game - these videos are very helpful. Yeah sure some folks might disagree on some of the rankings, but I have agreed for the majority of them. I love playing Druid, and I’ve been pleased to see that there are a good number of Druid spells that are higher ranking on your lists. I love that several of the damaging spells are concentration spells, which allows me to not just blow through spell slots and then spam long rests. I find I’m having to long rest way more often with Wizard and Sorcerer. That said, I am not just real experienced playing those two classes so I might be doing something wrong
@vasheroo
@vasheroo 5 ай бұрын
Ive been enjoying your videos a lot. Thanks bruh.
@ryguy3842
@ryguy3842 7 ай бұрын
aid upcasted is really op. S tier imo
@MaleBrawler
@MaleBrawler 7 ай бұрын
A buff that give you free hp and you don't need concentration that fact it not s tier make no sense seeing all my run I have a cleric just for that reason 😂
@uffish2
@uffish2 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, spending one of my higher spell slots to give everyone in my party (including the summons, which I bring out for the occasion) an extra 25 HP to their max is fantastic. Suddenly Scratch and Shovel and Us and Quothe and whoever are soaking up hits galore, and the humanoids can stay alive better, too. I don't always have someone who can cast aid, but when I do, it gets cast early.
@WarriorOfVale
@WarriorOfVale 7 ай бұрын
crown of madness on the final shar sounds pretty insane
@N1ghthavvk
@N1ghthavvk 5 ай бұрын
Enhance Ability is very good during Conversation (when cast on Charisma), and very good during Stealing (when cast on Dexterity - because it allows you to replace equipment granting that advantage with +1 or +2 equipment). Sure, that doesn't matter during combat, but it is very impactful or your run.
@WhiskeySins
@WhiskeySins 5 ай бұрын
As a new player in A1, Moonbeam is absolutely carrying my combat lol. With the double dip proc anytime you move it, makes it a 4d10 on any creature you target. I understand using shoving enemies around for stuff like spike growth, cloud of daggers etc but, so much easier to just toss my beam on top of an enemy or new chokepoint if stuff changed. Also, I doubt I could play without ritual longstrider since discovering it.
@bennybento4459
@bennybento4459 2 ай бұрын
Super late to this comment but i just put one on here. If you use moonbeam AND sanctuary you can do huge damage without being able to be damaged
@Dwapking
@Dwapking 7 ай бұрын
I like how much effort you put into these. Other creators tend to just ramble/use gut-feeling to create a tier list, but not you.
@iversolheimstranden802
@iversolheimstranden802 7 ай бұрын
Love these videos
@anotherfreeroller
@anotherfreeroller 5 ай бұрын
Calm Emotion removing charm is also useful for ending an enemy mind control on NPC targets, including sometimes during dialogue to bypass combat altogether.
@jaradrichardsC137
@jaradrichardsC137 5 ай бұрын
I was surprised it fully worked on the boy at the beach allowing him to safely run away from harpies
@SpiseyMcHaggis
@SpiseyMcHaggis 7 ай бұрын
For Arcane Lock, the Counting house entry doors are a perfect place to use, both front and dock doors. 👍🏼
@langa77777
@langa77777 5 ай бұрын
Persuasion destroys that fight.
@galax12370
@galax12370 7 ай бұрын
blur is absolutely insane on eldritch knight I was able to beat yurgir only because of that lmao.
@pianogal5816
@pianogal5816 7 ай бұрын
Entangle works once when you cast it. The persistent effect is the difficult terrain. Web, however, procs every round
@harold121
@harold121 7 ай бұрын
Shatter synergizes with tempest cleric well and can shove targets at distance, kind of situationally good when your shadow heart is not in close distance to use thunder wave.
@ztrax7133
@ztrax7133 7 ай бұрын
Early on as a Thunder domain cleric shatter can be pretty hard hitting to weaker enemies since you can use destructive wrath on it dealing at least 12 damage in an aoe, later on it definitely drops off but until you unlock 3rd lvl slots it hits pretty good for its level
@michaskrzypczak3262
@michaskrzypczak3262 7 ай бұрын
I agree with Shatter being B tier, however I would like to point out one use - you can use Tempest Cleric’s Destructive Wrath to maximize the damage on this spell, making it guaranteed 24 AoE damage (12 if the succeed the saving throw). But on level 5 you can just use it on Call Lightning and guarantee 60/30/15 dmg instead (depending on Wet/saving throw)
@davidsterling7570
@davidsterling7570 7 ай бұрын
Laying down a couple AOE spells and arcane-locking the door handed me a no-effort win against the steel watch boss
@M.L.official
@M.L.official 6 ай бұрын
On tactician and probably honor mode aid is A or S tier, casting it as a 6 level spell (once you get to act 3 and cheese the bodouir in house of hope where you get infinite long resrs whilst retaining your buffs). HP is always good
@kalbarnes2494
@kalbarnes2494 7 ай бұрын
Besides crown of madness, which is already pinned, I would bump misty step to S tier. It’s an everything spell to me. Offensive? Throw your fighter right into the spellcasters. Defensive? Dual cast haste and MS around a corner to stay out of range. Need high ground for ranged attacks? That perfectly angled lightning bolt, or the thunder wave into chasm that would have otherwise been impossible? I find myself putting this on every character, not in every party, but literally every single character in that party. The items that grant this are some of my most prized and go right to classes that don’t otherwise get access to this. I can’t personally consider it anything less then S tier.
@paultapping9510
@paultapping9510 7 ай бұрын
100% agree, I significantly prefer it to the other movement options like Fly or Dimension Door even. Seems like an autopick on most every character to me also.
@jvlomax
@jvlomax 7 ай бұрын
I haven't tested it, butvI believe gust of wind also removes cloudkill and poison fog type spells. Which can make it really good in certain situations
@rigor_erectus69
@rigor_erectus69 7 ай бұрын
There's a lot of doors in game that can't be opened with lockipicks but can be with with knock. You can just skip a lot of puzzles with, like the vault in Sorceres Sundries
@Aestus_RPG
@Aestus_RPG 7 ай бұрын
But the puzzles aren't even hard, and don't take a resource anyways.
@roaringthunder8069
@roaringthunder8069 6 ай бұрын
Yeah once you know what doors you need to go through its just a chore
@jaradrichardsC137
@jaradrichardsC137 5 ай бұрын
Eh, there's so many lockpicks anyways and if you succeed they're not used up so you wind up carrying 20 of them. Not worth a lvl 2 spell slot
@mist4
@mist4 7 ай бұрын
I had cloud of daggers on my telekinesis themed warlock, and putting it on the final phase of the final boss with the 10d4 (10-40) damage was amazing
@crazy-tommy
@crazy-tommy 7 ай бұрын
If there would be a tier below RP tier, I would put Detect Thoughts into it because it needs concentration and the potion version does not, so I would never ever use the spell version. Enhance Ability is S tier for me as getting advantage is so good - at least in early game. Its amazing for hard skill checks and pickpocketing, but I assume that does not match your tier system criteria. Later on there are so many items that give advantage on rolls, so its usefulness drops quite a bit. I only had to use Knock on the chests in Wyrm's Rock Fortress barracks in Act 3 as these could not be lockpicked. Although this was fixed with patch 4, so I probably don't need Knock ever again. Especially as I learned (after finishing the game) that bashing chests actually does not destroy any of its content unless the chest is trapped ... so just bashing everything is usually the easiest way to get your loot. In my game I always regretted casting Spiritual Weapon. It's movement is so slow, that its hard to get a use out of it and it's almost useless in endgame as it dies too quickly. Sure it may soak up a few hits, but all I remember about it is that it slows down the combat.
@dnlmachine4287
@dnlmachine4287 7 ай бұрын
Spiritual Weapon has bad movement, yes. It has to be cast in the right place. Does Long Strider work on it? But its immunities make it very useful in certain fights to occupy numerous enemies, esp those that only do a condition attack like poison. The Spider fight below Blighted Village = YUS. Stay gold.
@Rahdwiin
@Rahdwiin 7 ай бұрын
For the late game Spiritual Weapon is indeed kinda so so, and I end up stopping to use it entirely, specially because of this VERY low speed indeed, however, in the early game I think there are few spells that can be as good as this one. Some times it feels like you just added a literal 5th member in your party, so good that it is.
@senexiratus973
@senexiratus973 7 ай бұрын
I think Spiritual Weapon is very much C tier, because of the movement issue.
@Tokru86
@Tokru86 7 ай бұрын
@@Rahdwiin Yeah at the start it is very good. Just cast it in front of some enemies and they will waste a lot of actions on it. What makes it especially good is, that it is only a bonus action. The slow movement is irrelevant in such situations.
@johnhuysentruyt8644
@johnhuysentruyt8644 4 ай бұрын
I think Aid in s tier would be fair even considering the reasoning behind longstrider. I have never been in a situation where longstrider was the reason I won or lost a fight, but there have been numerous times where the extra hit points from aid is the reason I survived huge boss attacks and closed it out the following round, but those situations could also be avoided if I played better.
@TheInfidel23
@TheInfidel23 5 ай бұрын
Gust of wind is a bit a fun one. I use it on my sorc as a 'rp' but also situational thunderwave. The main difference is that thunderwave has a close, square AOE where gust of wind has an aoe similar to lightning bolt, long and narrow. It also clears cloud/fog effects. I remember using it to walk across the room Nere was trapped in without disarming or covering the gas vents. Just blew a straight carpet of clean air through the room. It does miss out on the damage so for most combats it loses to thunderwave for damage purposes.
@slamindorf5478
@slamindorf5478 6 ай бұрын
Misty step is an easy S tier, every class than can use it should take it, its only negative is that you can find the spell on items too
@benjaminjam666
@benjaminjam666 7 ай бұрын
Enthrall can be used like a weaker version of the Bard’s Perform (takes a spell slot and only affects 1 person) and allows others to steal/position/etc.
@astrix1238
@astrix1238 2 ай бұрын
Moonbeam does’t proc gear effects but it also doesn’t effect other conditions aswell. You can use moonbeam in sanc without it breaking and enemies with radiant retort don’t reflect damage. With moonbeam do damage twice with high spell DC and upcast you can do 100 plus damage cleave while being un killable. Plus orbital laser from the sky looks pretty sick.
@nateh5736
@nateh5736 6 ай бұрын
The cloud of daggers entangle wombo combo is insane, plus if you have someone else to bane them. Insane power out of such easy spells to maintain
@ragecounterfit309
@ragecounterfit309 6 ай бұрын
Don’t they both require concentration. So you’d need separate party member concentrating on each spell.
@nateh5736
@nateh5736 6 ай бұрын
@@ragecounterfit309 yeah that's what I was getting at
@AspectPL
@AspectPL 7 ай бұрын
Worth to note that Crown of Madness makes the mad enemy hostile to others around it so they will also attack them sometimes and provoke opportunity attacks. So it's better than hold person when you can also deal damage with it and not only treat it as CC
@bg-cc6hn
@bg-cc6hn 7 ай бұрын
I am little surprised on the C rank on Web Not only does it Potentially restrain enemies, but it creates difficult terrain which cuts their movement While I don't think Web is as good in BG3 as it is in Tabletop with how surfaces work, but at the very least that is situationally good and should be at least B A ranged team comp that casts Web early can deal damage to the enemy while safely mitigating damage or reducing it to 0 (many enemies ranged attacks are weakers than their melee attacks if they have them at all). Really liked the tip about Scorching Ray and the Hat of Fire Acuity, may have to try that out on a build with Red/Gold Draconic Sorcerer! Really enjoying these Spell ranking videos!
@Aestus_RPG
@Aestus_RPG 7 ай бұрын
I tend to dislike persistent ground effects because they get in the way of my melee strikers. I understand that full ranged comps are a thing, and they are good, but its just one kind of composition among many. Most compositions have melee units.
@Minty_MH
@Minty_MH 7 ай бұрын
I love web in BG3. Sure, it's nerfed from tabletop but the spell is insanely overpowered there so that's not surprising. CC in general has been nerfed in BG3. My one gripe with web is this: in act 3 when your save DC gets high and when used alongside doors, you eventually run out of web surface since enemy blood completely covers it. You're literally suffering from success. It's only really a problem when you're memeing and aggroing an entire keep at once for no reason, but its still a fat rip sometimes.
@kellymccarthy7109
@kellymccarthy7109 7 ай бұрын
There's just better alternatives. Grease has the potential to completely end an enemies turn and leave them slowed on the next turn as they use movement to stand up, and it wont cost your concentration. Plus it's only a level 1 slot compared to 2. Or a druid who can wildshape into a spider and throw webs down every turn as a bonus action for zero cost and completely litter the field. Or a ranger whos spider summon can do the same. It's a decent spell, but why settle for it when better exist? Especially when it's going to steal your concentration and will vanish if it breaks.
@JamFlexx
@JamFlexx 5 ай бұрын
​@@kellymccarthy7109vro thank you for the druid/ranger ideas
@SleepyChloeFist
@SleepyChloeFist 7 ай бұрын
Longstrider is great, assuming you remeber to cast it. I find myself forgetting about it more than i use it, and i still get by just fine.
@XannyTanner77
@XannyTanner77 7 ай бұрын
misty step is S tier for me
@joshwalton25
@joshwalton25 7 ай бұрын
Misty Step *IS* S-tier
@Aestus_RPG
@Aestus_RPG 7 ай бұрын
Is this a game where running away clears encounters? Because yall treat mobility spells like it is.
@StickyTapeZz
@StickyTapeZz 7 ай бұрын
@@Aestus_RPG any ranged character needs to "run away" / distance bonus action - teleport - without Attack of Opportunity IS just perfect for that isnt it? :D
@Aestus_RPG
@Aestus_RPG 7 ай бұрын
No, ranged characters clear encounters by killing enemies, same as everyone else.
@nangz
@nangz 7 ай бұрын
You've said S tier is meta defining and something worth building around? You have also said aoe spells are weak and are often ranked lower because you need to eliminate enemies? Well, spells like Cone of Cold, Lightning Bolt, Gust of Wind, are just a few positioning dependent spells that can eliminate enemies outright when they are hit due to their high damage or effects. Misty step is S tier in my book - with your definition, for the improvement it gives to aiming them.
@travisauruss
@travisauruss 4 ай бұрын
Crown of madness in RP is wild! As if patch 6, and even in 5, can’t say for before that, but it works on non humanoids. Used it on goblins and knolls. It’s pretty great tbh.
@wanglord9591
@wanglord9591 7 ай бұрын
Calm Emotions makes absolute fools out of harpies with its Immune to Charm effect and it totally negates Fear. It's a concentration spell, sure, but it's a party-wide buff with a decent radius. It's kind of a no investment spell either because it comes with the cleric spell list, but it's also available to most other spell-casters too. Its ability to negate Fear and Charm stays relevant through the whole game as well. Focusing on it's ability to prevent barbarian rage does it a huge disservice - personally I've only seen this happen to my own party member, but it was worth the sacrifice to see that last harpy singing away as my full party surrounded it.
@ThunderBolt1915
@ThunderBolt1915 7 ай бұрын
Hi Aestus! What about a feat tier list? I'd like to know your opinion on each of the feats
@Aestus_RPG
@Aestus_RPG 7 ай бұрын
Its on the list!
@OroborOSX11
@OroborOSX11 5 ай бұрын
I aggro’d the entire goblin camp near one of the side areas and had a tiny little opening in the stone wall to funnel them through. Cloud of Daggers literally killed 10+ goblins because they kept running into it to get to me.
@snapfrostzz9946
@snapfrostzz9946 7 ай бұрын
You actually consider knock to be one of the strongest non combat spells, you can open any locked door and they help with any 30 roll lock when sometimes it seems impossible to open
@Tetragramix
@Tetragramix 7 ай бұрын
It can open doors with "lockpicking impossible." Literally can only open certain doors (and chests) with knock.
@ThanhLai5
@ThanhLai5 7 ай бұрын
55:30 don't forget that you can stack Heat with Scorching Ray as well. With Sorcerer, you can use Scorching Ray to build up Heat and then use Quickening Spell+Bonus Action to cast Fireball with Heat stack. And since it's an attack spell, you can also cast it while sneaking around to gain maximum advantage.
@Aestus_RPG
@Aestus_RPG 7 ай бұрын
Is heat actually good? Haven't messed around with it much because it seemed not worth the effort.
@ThanhLai5
@ThanhLai5 7 ай бұрын
@@Aestus_RPG the damage may not be in top tier but still quiet strong in my opinion. The problem is it only works best with skills that hit once and hard. For skills with multiple projectiles like Scorching Ray, Heat bonus damage only applies to the first projectile. That's why I use Scorching Ray to build up Heat and then use Heat charges with skill like Fireball.
@Aestus_RPG
@Aestus_RPG 7 ай бұрын
@@ThanhLai5 I'll try it out!
@yohanes2034
@yohanes2034 7 ай бұрын
​@@ThanhLai5tbh heat mechanics is the worst gimmick compared to others such as lightning, reverberation, encrusted with frost, etc. The best way to use it is with fireball and after use the entire stack will be gone. It's all good for free damage if it does not hurt you at the same time. The 1d4 fire inflicted to self is not fun cause it can break concentration. The damage can be mitigated with fire resistance, or reducing flat damage (by 2 or 3) but then again if you choose fire elemental adept, your fire resistance will be nullified and you get hurt again. Overall underwhelming mechanic imo
@ThanhLai5
@ThanhLai5 7 ай бұрын
@@yohanes2034 yep. It's mediocre when compared to buff like lightning charge. Right now I'm playing with it just to explore every nook and cranny of the game.
@filoche4853
@filoche4853 3 ай бұрын
I use Enhance Ability: Wisdom on my transmuter Wizard to make sure they succeed the Medicine check when crafting a potion or elixir!
@Dumah36
@Dumah36 2 ай бұрын
just started playing the game and clicked on this list just to see where you placed Spike Growth. I am not disappointed! That spell is fing broken! Then I got my druid to summon a dyrad and she can do that sht as a free action. I thought my little brain was gonna explode!
@jordanwhite2339
@jordanwhite2339 6 ай бұрын
Shatter is actually really solid on a tempest cleric but yes other than that it gets overshadowed
@kurtcobane1762
@kurtcobane1762 7 ай бұрын
I've only cast arcane lock twice once in the Githyanki Creche last fight I lobbed the iron flask in there and locked the door :') the second was the sheepthara glitch
@KingMJAH
@KingMJAH 6 ай бұрын
There are apparently niche uses for calm emotions, if you fight the harpy’s you can avoid there call if you have the charm immunity. Also I would imagine you could use it against the wooden mask people when fighting the hag ? Not supper good but technically situational.
@danielbutka8854
@danielbutka8854 4 ай бұрын
Fun fact: the land's stride feature for ranger and land druid makes you immune to the damage and difficult terrain of spike growth
@AvangionQ
@AvangionQ 7 ай бұрын
1:10:00 Don't sleep on Web, it's probably one of the strongest crowd control spells there is. A-tier. If you're up against melee combatants, put this between you and them ... they'll never reach you. Ah, the boots you're talking about that give immunity to Enwebbed condition are Spiderstep Boots. Wiki Spoiler for BG3 location in the Read More: Can be found at Whispering Depths in Act 1 (X:-510 Y:-400) in a cave chamber on a skeleton.
@oliorogue
@oliorogue 7 ай бұрын
Interesting take on playing the game... I prefer to use some of the less desirable spells for a challenge than limit my long rests (especially since there are so many content driven story triggers related)
@moosiemoose1337
@moosiemoose1337 7 ай бұрын
That's one thing I kinda dislike. In the very early game, you have to long rest a lot in order to not miss anything. I'm currently playing the game with my buddy and I'm trying to nudge him into long resting a lot more often.
@mahanshah5046
@mahanshah5046 7 ай бұрын
There are alot of high dc locks in the game (30) and some important locls that can't be locked picked
@ethandrake5073
@ethandrake5073 6 ай бұрын
Arcane lock was so useful to me for iron throne. The constant sahuagin spawn corridor got completely blocked. I think I could have used mage hand to pull the lever on the other side or somehow activate the heat sensors (tried and failed) but ultimately I just used the scroll I had instead of having it memorized
@destinl8382
@destinl8382 6 ай бұрын
You can cast any spell that does fire damage on the heat sense. I'm pretty sure i had shadowheart hit it with fire bolt, save yourself a spell slot.
@FastForward025
@FastForward025 7 ай бұрын
Just wanted to throw out there that the Pyroquickness Hat does still work with Flame Blade. I tried very hard to make a build centered around it and it's quite involved but can be pretty powerful. As of now it's just average since Arsonist's Oil doesn't work at all, but when they fix it I can imagine it being the best melee dual wielding build.
@Aestus_RPG
@Aestus_RPG 7 ай бұрын
Really? I tested it on the first patch of full release and it definately didn't work. Happy to hear it's been fixed!
@FastForward025
@FastForward025 7 ай бұрын
@@Aestus_RPG I was testing after patch 3 so it probably got fixed sometime between then
@Toromboloize
@Toromboloize 5 ай бұрын
I would argue that Enhance Ability is a required spell if you are going to enter conversation or undergo some sort of interaction where ability checks are concerned. Enhance Ability can easily help you make those checks with advantage (double dice instead of a single one). In a fight, the improvement is too little but out of combat, its as useful as guidance.
@davidwagner3710
@davidwagner3710 7 ай бұрын
i get why you have knock ranked where it is, but i find it useful for a party that doesnt have a good lockpicker since im too lazy to dismiss someone to get astarion out just to pick a lock. Have played campaigns where my best lock picker was +3 and any lock past 15 DC would be very difficult to pick.
@kennymcintyre4791
@kennymcintyre4791 14 күн бұрын
I use calm emotion every time I meet the harpies in the beginning. It applies on the whole groupe and prevent charms which makes the fight very easy. I've wiped in honor mode against them in having 3 of my char get charm on the first round.
@olafthebear2327
@olafthebear2327 3 ай бұрын
What makes Darkness better than Fog Cloud, is that you can't make ranged attacks into it from the outside, or out of it. Though this seems to be a little bugged, since some enemies will still throw weapons into the cloud occasionally (haven't checked this since patch 5)
@marvinn6044
@marvinn6044 7 ай бұрын
Repositioning Moonbeam is an action, can confirm.
@Aestus_RPG
@Aestus_RPG 7 ай бұрын
TY! My brain was a bit slow on that one.
@persistentpally
@persistentpally 5 ай бұрын
Arcane Lock - you can lock a door that has a Medium to Strong Toughness. It would take burst damage to destroy. It's an RP spell because there are other more valuable option. What you could use it for is a storage area where you can put items in a room and lock it. Even then you have storage in camp. If this was an online PvP then Arcane Lock would have value. Thoughts?
@Cyromantik
@Cyromantik 7 ай бұрын
There are a pair of wedding rings you can get for Warding Bond in Act II. Found near these are diaries with a short but *very* interesting Sharrian romance story. What will you do with these rings, to whom will you give them?
@pinheadgringo
@pinheadgringo 7 ай бұрын
On the Moonbeam/Radiating Orb thing: perhaps the damage is technically coming from the beam and not the caster? I've heard Cloudkill behaves the same way.
@Aestus_RPG
@Aestus_RPG 7 ай бұрын
Yeah, probably.
@akira3871
@akira3871 4 ай бұрын
Crown of madness is amazing imo. From what I've noticed they only target non party members even if they're the closest. Granted ive only tested it a few times so I could be mistaken.
@rubenimmanuel9339
@rubenimmanuel9339 7 ай бұрын
Darkness saves my ass on my all paladin playthrough in halsin's portal fight
@louiswagen
@louiswagen 7 ай бұрын
my issue with arcane lock is that the Ai tends to just break down the door
@elliot8518
@elliot8518 2 ай бұрын
Hey Guga, you should try making a fry bread dog, which is a staple at pow wows. You basically wrap a hot dog in fry bread and then fry it! Very tasty
@burningknight7
@burningknight7 2 ай бұрын
Interesting thing to note is spells like moonbeam or hunger of hadar don't proc any damage effects like radiating orb or elemental infusion is because the AOE effect is actually considered as an NPC by the game's code and not a source attributed to your Player character which makes me think its not a bug and probably will never be "fixed" sadly. Edit: but another cool thing about Moonbeam is that it never procs Radiant Retort/ Removes sanctuary so that technically does put it into S tier.
@persistentpally
@persistentpally 5 ай бұрын
Overall comment on spell rankings: When someone, like Aestus takes part of their 168 hours per week to support a game they appreciate and want to share their thoughts, I find myself listening to what they have to say about - in this case, leveled spells - and then add in my insight and experience to make a decision to use a spell. For instance, Cloud of Daggers. An S-Tier spell that I put to use with the Phase Spiders. In my first run, I did not have an understanding of 5e and then BG3 mechanics. Aestus and Fextralife have both given me insight. For Cloud of Daggers, I use that on the mother Phase Spider on the web - she fell doing an insane amout of damage. My bard character and Gale have Cloud of Daggers. So when Mama went to get her babies and then phased to the web near us. I had Wyll (Eldritch Knight) case Magic Missle for some damage. Finally it got back to my character and the Cloud of Daggers finished after we used Firebolt on the web to drop her a second time. So by using an AOE movement control spell and Cloud of Daggers, you can inflict a lot of damage quickly and then use Firebolt, Guiding Bolt, Magic Missile, Scorching Ray to finish off most difficult of builds. Shatter also has a purpose here as well - all my characters have Shatter, and when all four (Shadowheart being Tempus Cleric for insane damage), use it to crowd control who is left is usually insignificant. My Bard, Wyll (Eldritch Knight), Shadowheart are all melee and range effective.
@Skyblade12
@Skyblade12 3 ай бұрын
My first attempted use of Arcane Lock was in the fight in Auntie Ethel’s hut. I locked the doors to keep the Redcaps out as I took on Ethel. The very first turn, a Redcap broke the door down. All it did was cancel one enemy’s action for one turn. Was not worth it, IMO.
@mekmekoo1269
@mekmekoo1269 5 ай бұрын
Barkskin is a level 2 spell. If you are playing a druid, the best wild shape available at the point where you get level 2 spells is the bear. The bear has 10 AC. I would say going from 10 to 16 is pretty good. Not amazing since you're still more likely to get hit than missed but it's definitely a decent upgrade.
@drpj3230
@drpj3230 4 ай бұрын
calm emotions works on the owlbear
@franciscoimperial8513
@franciscoimperial8513 Ай бұрын
I use enthrall regularly to pickpocket merchants because it makes pickpocket DC lower and cancels out the scene that makes them look for the thief
@bennybento4459
@bennybento4459 2 ай бұрын
I know im super late to the game commenting here but if you give a character moonbeam AND sanctuary you can move your moonbeam to deal high damage which wont break your sanctuary because the game registers moonbeam as an entity not an offensive spell. You can do that without taking damage and while also buffing allies, makes for a ridiculous high damage and unkillable build
@BirdMoose
@BirdMoose 7 ай бұрын
I love the idea of silence as a spell, but very rarely use it. I want there to be a boss that casts massive damage thunder spells so I can sit in my silence and not laugh cause I'm silenced but like do the motion. Also I wish upcasting some of these spells would increase area so it was harder for enemies to escape, cause most often if I just use silence a spellcaster will just walk out of it and cast their spell unless the room and positionings are just right.
@adrianrandom3448
@adrianrandom3448 7 ай бұрын
The thing silence gets is not only the thunder immunity, but the fact that you can really fuck up enemy spell casters, however, the big thing BG3 does for Silence is that it's a ritual! I used it so much in Act 2 to murder the moonrise guards while the others nearby had no idea because there was no sound for them to know con st had started! That's how I killed the whole lower floor without a big encounter happening.
@galax12370
@galax12370 7 ай бұрын
​@@adrianrandom3448bruh I just sat on that staircase to the higher floor and waited for wave number xx of guards to come 😭 it was a long fight
@IlRe720
@IlRe720 4 ай бұрын
Calm emotions is an aoe and tbh it’s like pretty useful in about 2 fights in the game, the meenlocks in act 2 and I think there’s another one I can’t remember… maybe? Also I never tried but does the immune to charmed work for tadpole charm? Coz it is pretty annoying getting charmed by a mind flayer on an extra attack character on like your first attack, then you gotta go attack someone else and maybe everyone else is out of range, then you gotta like resort to throwing something in its general direction… anyway does it??
@ryanmackenzie96
@ryanmackenzie96 2 ай бұрын
Moonbeam also doesn't proc radiant retort so its super useful for act 2 mobs.
@revpro06
@revpro06 7 ай бұрын
You should rate a popular spell as normal but just put it in F tier in the tier-list so that all the people who skip ahead will generate that sweet sweet engagement.
@Aestus_RPG
@Aestus_RPG 7 ай бұрын
Haha then I would never beat the "engagement bait" allegations!
@revpro06
@revpro06 7 ай бұрын
@@Aestus_RPG if you can't beat em join em lmao
@tofastninj9747
@tofastninj9747 7 ай бұрын
Crown of madness is A if not S tier. One person becomes hostile to everyone and usually they will either go all out against your enemies or everyone will try to instantly kill them. It is a spell that can take an enemy out of the fight. It should also be noted that if you enter an area where you need to clear out a place(goblin camp and duergar mine) you can make the npcs mad and kill each other without getting caught because the person is made hostile and it is fine to attack hostiles.
@Aestus_RPG
@Aestus_RPG 7 ай бұрын
I majorly screwed up on Crown of Madness. Should have tested more after full release. I pinned a comment correcting me on it.
@gigantomastiaCuddler
@gigantomastiaCuddler 7 ай бұрын
@@Aestus_RPG Thanks for the pin. I would also consider editing the description.
@chrishendry1031
@chrishendry1031 6 ай бұрын
You can cheese Balthazar on Honor Mode with Arcane Lock. Open his door with Knock while the Justiciars are out, bait him into the fight, and then Arcane Lock behind you. He will get absolutely crushed, and the Justiciar is easier to deal with than he is.
@jaradrichardsC137
@jaradrichardsC137 5 ай бұрын
You mean when you first meet him in his office area?
@chrishendry1031
@chrishendry1031 5 ай бұрын
@@jaradrichardsC137 Yeah. When the fight outside with the Dark Justiciar portals starts, you can Knock his door open, and he will engage. After he's outside, Arcane Lock the door once your party is snuck in. His toolkit is geared towards buffing undead, and killing living targets. The entire Dark Justiciar Fight is undead, so he gets slapped around.
@largegroupofmales
@largegroupofmales 5 ай бұрын
i forgot why you considered scorching ray S tier until i used it out of curiosity with the hat of fire acuity, then i said “oh”
@l.m.srensen4559
@l.m.srensen4559 7 ай бұрын
Darkness/fog cloud. Fog cloud is (or should be) dispelled gust of wind. Also, and yeah I know, I’m getting very demanding, many spells can even be brought into play without casts, via pots and missiles. That ought also make a spell less valuable, as why would you use concentration when an arrow can cast darkness without concentration
@Aestus_RPG
@Aestus_RPG 7 ай бұрын
It depends on the spell. If a spell consistently amazing then you will want every use of it, consumable or otherwise. Take Haste for example. Do pots of speed mean you never caste Haste? No, just do both.
@ArjunSidhan
@ArjunSidhan 7 ай бұрын
Web can be used as feather fall because your party can jump onto the webbed surface without taking fall damage... Plus situations for setting fire traps
@platypus547
@platypus547 7 ай бұрын
Longstrider probably saves more HP via kiting or having enough movement to kill a single enemy than aid gives over the course of a day for no spell slot.
@Aestus_RPG
@Aestus_RPG 7 ай бұрын
Source
@BSMaker
@BSMaker 7 ай бұрын
29:02 are you sure? I tested this rather recently(patch 3) and it did give me a bonus action. I didn't use it because it was still kinda awkward, especially for act 3 where there are much better options.
@Aestus_RPG
@Aestus_RPG 7 ай бұрын
I tested it on release, but haven't retested it in any of the new patches, so it could have been changed.
@persistentpally
@persistentpally 5 ай бұрын
For non-Warlock characters, could you case Darkness on a group of enemies, then use light on a tank player and be able to see in the darkness or would it defeat the purpose by being lit?
@Vince_Allison
@Vince_Allison 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the help! Now let me help you...1:04:26 click with the middle mouse button to open in a new tab. 😊
@havelockjones
@havelockjones 6 ай бұрын
You have omitted see darkvision and see invisibility. I predict that you would place darkvision in low B tier. You want characters to be able to see, and the spell lasts until long rest, so you can cast it on a character who doesn't have natural darkvision at the start of the day and not worry about it, but there are other ways to get darkvision which don't cost a level 2 spell slot. You can also use the cantrip light, but this has the disadvantage that enemies can also see your character. It's only really an issue in act 2. See invisibility is interesting, because you might have acquired a magical eye which renders this spell pointless. If you haven't, then it would be somewhat useful to have this spell memorised. It's similar to lesser restoration, in that you won't need it often but you'll be pleased you have it when you do. So I would say B tier if you don't have the eye, but RP tier if you do.
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