id say the no throat movement is even more impressive, making noise without any vocal chord movement is crazy

i got so confused

I went to restart the video, thought my phone was buggin

yea same

I think it might have been an intentional joke since he said he likes ventriloquism right after lol

Where's Ludwig? I only see my king, Mogul Mail

Ludwig who?

Who is this ludwig guy this is mogul mail

Who is Ludwig, I only see mogul mail

Don’t ever say pog that sentence was so fucking cringe

He just needs to record to a faster drive, I’m pretty sure. Had this exact issue some time ago and that was the fix. M.2 SSD or even a regular SSD should fix the problem.

​@@expelbut thats not as funny

I think he actually lost it once and got it back to keep the bit going

He replied to a comment a few days ago saying he doesn't know what's causing it and is too scared to change anything lmao

I don't know anything about cameras or anything so I could he completely wrong but I have a feeling that it started off as an accident but then after everyone goes into the comments and makes jokes about it it just makes positive engagement so he keeps running it

They joked about his membership options.. where are they now..

@@agirl824chill out fam 💀💀

I'm pretty sure he realized this because at one point in youtube, streaming was almost a "infinite views glitch"

@@hik12 it was years ago like in 2016 -17.. KZfaq has changed it Algo since

E.d.i.t.h moment

yup

Hey king sam

Hi why are u here

true

That's still me every time lol

Dad left all of these bots (it’s finally finished)

Personally I'm cynical of this decision. I think that Twitch understands that Charlie has a lot of sway in the online community, many people respect his opinion (rightly so, he's level headed and not motivated out of malice). I think they've made this decision to keep him on side, and not out of any benevolent intent.

His contract ran out did it not? They can't force him to renew. They didn't "let" him do anything.

thats not how contracts work

​@@NicoDoesLPcharlie said in his video that he had a lot of time left on his contract, and that both him and Twitch agreed to terminate his contract early to allow him to have more flexibility. Twitch could have said no and kept him stuck on their platform until it expired, but they let him leave before his contract was up.

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@its-time bot

@@pixed8349nuh uh

I JUST GOT HIS JOKE AT THE BEGNNING TOOK A LOT OF TIME FOR ME LOL

Twitch puts just as much pool and hot tub and gambling in front of kids at kick does. And kick has a button you can click to turn those categories off from ever showing up again

@@LeviAckermn1907 twitch banned gambling did it not? which is the whole reason kick exists

Don't mobile games already do that.

Sapnap can introduce them to hatespeech young 🥰

Right, because gambling isn't something that is existent throughout all of life, it's only available on kick

Curious question as you are a Sapnap fan, if he switched to KZfaq instead of Kick, how would you react?

@@mrcy9307not a Sapnap fan but the issue isn’t with switching platforms, it’s with Kick specifically. When you have someone like Adin Ross as the face of your platform, regardless of whether or not that was your intention, it doesn’t tend to make people want to support you.

Adin Ross is not the "face of Kick". He's also somewhat of a garbage human being, and CHOOSES not to moderate his chat there, letting them fly off the handle like what was shown. This would happen in any other massive streams if not moderated properly either. There are plenty of moderation tools available, and very wholesome community streams on Kick currently, just like there are STILL unmoderated and downright hateful streams on Twitch as well. Neither of those are the majority, but they exist.@@UnuUO

@@bigbadjohn128 he absolutely is, even if the platform doesn’t intend him to be. I would wager that when the majority of people who don’t watch Kick hear something about its streamers, the first person that comes to mind is Adin Ross, even if his community is just a vocal minority (which it isn’t, it’s quite large).

Did it occur to any of sapnap’s community that by signing sapnap, Kick was attempting to change the general demographic of the viewers on their website? Sapnap and his community seem amazing, and would have been a huge force to push against the vitriol that comes out of Aiden’s streams. They might have even had the power to push kick into increasing general moderation rules. Instead they all gave up on Sapnap and kick and made judgements instead of making improvements.

very well said!

Pretty smart take! (I think it’s Tubbo who said these things in response to sapnap’s move )

There's literally no point to be made. If you see people in your chat that you don't want there you can just ban them. If you don't like certain streamers and the way they act then just don't watch them. If you don't want to see gambling/sexual content then you can literally push a button to get rid of all of that content. There's no reason sapnap's streams would be any different than they would be on twitch or yt. It's all just overblown nonsense by oversensitive kids.

@@annieone-trick oh ya my bad ur right

@@nighthawk2548 the issue isn’t for if sapnap or tubbo moved communities imo. It’s more for somebody with little to no community making the choice if theyre going to start streaming on Kick (since it is better for creators purely from the monetization angle) or Twitch. If you’re trans and you try to start streaming on Kick it’s just going to be objectively worse than Twitch as far as community building goes. You’re not going to have automods and a team of mods to kick people. You probably won’t even be able to get out of the sub 100 viewer elo hell with follow mode on bc u need to make engagement easy so even if u kick people spanning slurs they’ll just come back. And since the kick user base in general largely just wants you to die on principle it’s just going to be shitty. I agree if a big streamer moves sites it’s not like their community is going to change much on kick unless kick handles chat moderation differently. But it still does have an effect on the site as a whole. My main point is that it’s impossible to objectively quantify the culture of a site but we can make inferences off of how Kick is being run. And they’re putting their full support into streamers who interview nazis and have a chat filled w the hard r and death threats. You can tell what the overall culture of the site is from that.

Whats a "ludwig" thats Mogul Mail.

Who is "Ludwig"

Harvard of the southwest

without moving anything at all!his background even stands still whilst hes talking,its truly incredible

Who the hell is this "Ludwig" guy lol this is Mogul Mail. You guys have some kinda Mandela effect going on?

You mean Mogul Mail

@Kai_V mogul mail is run by ludwig

@@patar00Do not spread lies.

@@patar00 Don't spread misinformation Ludwig is a good friend of Mogul Mail

@@patar00 (it's a running joke on this channel that lud and mogul mail are different people)

Truth. He really made is point clear in those 10 seconds, it changed the entire tone of the video for me. Profound.

Who's Ludwig? This is Mogul Mail *Duh*

@@elisevanbeethoven oops ma-bad

twitch still allows gambling and doesn’t have settings to turn it off like kick what about it?

tbf im sure 90% of people wouldnt say no to a 9 figure deal even if youre already making 7/8 figures and like many people have said twitch has some questionable morals too altough i also think that most of the critique kick has gotten is fair (besides honestly the gambling thing but thats a big discussion and i also think that changes should be made to how gambling is done on the internet but that also doesnt mean that there isnt a place for it)

@@Brandon-vd7erOoo you just love saying slurs don’t you? Welp enjoy kick and 4chan since you clearly can’t handle being in society without whining and crying about censorship.

@@miquelmoorrees6010tubbos stream was mostly about sapnap and why he moved to kick (as they are in the same community) and Tubbo read sapnaps statement witch was pretty stupid and Tubbo just said it would’ve been easier to just say it was for the money

@@Brandon-vd7er its crazy you want a space for people to literally spam about killing black people, gay people, and Jews all in one

Glad that he said what, a bunch of lies? "Black people are unsafe on kick" are you serious? Every streamer moderates their own chat just like on twitch, adin ross and his wild ass viewers streaming on the same platform won't hurt anyone (unless he specifically hate raids someone which he hasn't), same as his viewers didn't hurt anyone while he was on twitch.

Just like “big guy” and “schlatt” in ‘99…

at least Mogul respects Lud, sometimes at least 😂

The difference is that Mixer just assumed all they needed to do was bring over big streamers and the fans would follow. Kick is doing a lot to appeal to smaller creators as well naturally, beyond signing the big streamers. Mixer showed 0 growth in 2 years, while Kick is already showing large growth quarter over quarter.

what else is there to focus on lol the entire business is the streamers

I would say its rather that hateful creators finally have a more mainstream platform to spread hate with now, as Twitch has shown not to support such creators anymore, but I agree that it feels like Mixer all over again, only difference being that Kick has infinite money glitch attached to it while Mixer was just another midnight purchase by Microsoft to see if they can get a huge platform

They don’t do it because they have good morals. Advertisers know that if they don’t do this they can start boycott trends on social media or they won’t be able to sell to certain minorities. This is purely a case of voting with your dollar. Your purchasing power extends to social issues as well

kick doesn't have to appease advertisers because it's funded by stake to promote gambling

kick doesnt have to do anything, all the money they make gets funneled directly back into their own businesses, the platform is quite literally what you would think an ideal streaming platform is, yet everyone just shits on it because of hivemind loser mentality.

Bro they are funded by gambling and you can still stream porn. They do not care

Yeah sure, It's not like the algos incentivize racism, misogyny and bigotry, or anything.

It isn't 'completely unmoderated' streamers have the ability to have their own chats how they like it. I don't see what the problem is

it is moderated, I've seen tons of corn streams being shut down within 5 minutes and where streamers start getting too spicy you'll see kick mods show up and tell them to stop. i remember once seeing a latina girl stop playing with herself and panicking because she couldnt understand what kick mod wrote in english and she muted herself and presumably called her manager 😂😂😂 nevertheless if you do nothing your channel will get 404'ed until you talk to kick staff and if necessary your vod removed, something twitch aint bothering in doing.

@@silverhawkroman the fact that she wasn't banned instantly for playing with herself on stream is proof enough that moderation is far too relaxed

Could be worse they could come to a site that promotes child labor… and to pretend that there isn’t a huge section for porn on twitch is ridiculous

@@silverhawkroman What do you mean, "something twitch aint bothering in doing"? Are you trying to imply that a latina can play with herself on stream, ignore twitch staff and not be banned, or what?

Start there and be forever associated with the gamba hate speech platform 🤗

@@AlleonoriCat well if kick and their streamers get their shit together that could change

@@voidcre497 I honestly think that's not their goal. Their goal is to be anti-twitch and allow everything you can't do on twitch to attract people who feel that twitch restricts them too much. I think it will be like that and at some point down the road they will try and pull something like tumblr banning porn and it will be the end of them.

oh noooo it's not a safespace I'm just tired this bullshit mentality.

@@AlleonoriCattwitch is full of hate speech. Ever heard of hasan?

Isn’t Trainwrecks one of the founders?

@@razzamatrazz34 I believe so, but he still uses the platform so I just grouped him in with the first streamers. Still, it just pushes the fact that even the foundations of the platform are built on audiences of that ilk

Twitch made people scared to say the word simp without getting banned. You cant even joke about anything on twitch, Freedom of speech has consequences but that's why kick exist. You can be yourself. Moderate your OWN chat. Build the community YOU want. You get the sponsorships and ad deals you want. As a viewer a 3min ad is making me turn that stream off. If you're to scared to talk on an issue and not be true to your audience that's a problem

@@toastedbarrel204 you make a good point. I'm in no way saying Twitch is good. It sucks. The changes they've made has made it extremely difficult to build or even keep an audience whilst also squeezing the income so much that its not even worth trying. Twitch isn't a good platform for streaming anymore. But I can't say that Kick is much better. Of course it has the amazing offer for pay deals, and the points you make. But the the freedom for limited moderation just makes it a melting pot for anyone to say anything and do anything without consequences... which clearly invites internet trolls and degenerates from these communities to run rampant. So it's just a threatening environment atm, and I think many people are waiting for that to change before they jump in.

calm down lil bro😭

@@user-tp2dd8is2k you seem triggered? do you work for stake?

@@user-tp2dd8is2k I have no issue with gambling but they’re not the type of people who like rules and regulations especially when the entire website is illegal in the CEO and founder’s home country.

yeah it’s awesome

waching Kick for 5moutnh ant i dont whana this site bocome beta twich site

u are part of the problem

Murder, what he killed someone or you just hate the guy and just making shit up

'morally shady' 🤓

​@@yungpenaldo78OP ain't lying dude. Kick as a whole is a streaming platform created just to funnel people to Stake.

​@@yungpenaldo78" "morally shady" 🤓" 🤓

​@@vamshibhat""morally shady🤓"🤓"🤓

Lmao

Got a list? Most streams I watch have their own mods that mod their chats and ban people for hate speech. Its all up to the creator and how they want their chat to be. I can go find you screenshots of hate speech on twitch as well because its a single moment in time that hate speech is said. Maybe its people making accounts to say hate speech to screenshot and spread negativity before its removed by mods? It seems a lot of people have a negative opinion on something that they haven't even went and looked first hand. I'm Canadian and hear Americans are dumb doesn't mean imma apply that to all Americans and leave it at that, I'll meet a bunch and realize that only the ones viral and in the spotlight are usually not the brightest putting a stigma on all Americans.

Yeah, I used to watch xqc sometimes. But no way in hell am I gonna watch on Kick.

​@fifi_lurksthat tells me you're not around for much, ive been following the hot tubs section for the past four months almost daily and it does get regulated. kick mods show up to tell you to stop and straight up corn gets 404'ed within 5 minutes. i often see streamers who get too spicy get 404ed and vod removed if necessary. some girls change how much they spice it up, after a while they get less and less spicy. kick was a mess half year ago but now its waaaay more moderated. give it some hope please, rome wasnt built in a day!!!

Individual streamers can moderate their chat, just like on twitch so I'f you don't like what a streamer lets them say blame the streamer for the lack of moderation, and watch someone who does Kick admins / Tos don't need to be involved

Yeah, it only takes like 2 minutes before you think, "Well, this negativity is depressing, and all this hate is annoying." and it only takes a flick and a tap to close kick and open up KZfaq again.

No, nobody wants to go on them because nobody ever makes an “uncensored” version of something that doesn’t already exist and is already very popular. If Kick was the very first streaming site and was uncensored, it still would have become popular. People just don’t like moving to new services. Imagine if a competitor to Discord came out, like Guilded, that was better in every single way. Discord literally steals features from this competitor, then makes them worse somehow and Nitro only. Objectively, switching platforms would be the best option. What are the chances that you and your friends change off of Discord? 0% chance. It’s never happening. Not because the other platform isn’t better, but because you’re already on Discord, and changing platforms is annoying. I’m not saying kick is better than Twitch, just that even if it *was*, still barely anybody would switch.

@@Daktyl198 You must be pretty young, people change platforms all the time. I wouldn't bet on Discord sticking around forever. Heard AIM? Skype? Teamspeak? That being said, I don't want to see a move to kick since it's a shithole like 4chan.

⁠​⁠@@darksider7162the internet is filled with the remains of once popular sites replaced with newer, better services, yeah

​​​@@Daktyl198this hypothetical is useless. Discord came out and was better than Skype and teamspeak in every way, and EVERYONE switched to it. Your analogy just doesn't hold up.

i propose you act more honestly to make people take you seriously. Its like saying tate is openly a rapist human trafficker. The beliefs are fine, but saying it's "openly" as if they said it or as if they agree makes you instantly sound like someone that has a valueless opinion as they are just lying or at best being so hyperbolic their statements shouldn't be taken seriously.

@@Juble-rk3pt mate, there are LITERALLY endless clips of specifically Adin Ross laughing out loud at, and not even trying to stop, his fans saying the N-word on stream and making racist jokes in his "comedy night" nice try tho

so dont watch those creators lol

@@Juble-rk3ptAdin Ross literally streamed porn knowing minors are in his chat

@@Weeniehutnurse I never denied that. If so thats probably bad, but at the same time minors see porn all the time so it doesn't seem like the biggest deal.

it’s just adins dark humour between him and his chat how does that affect the platform as a whole?😂

@bengton a direct callout that included transphobic regards is just dark humour? maybe to you but as a trans person myself it was hurtful, but maybe we're just not on the same path. and I never said adins comment will effect the app directly, those were two separate points I was making, adins comment can/will effect sapnaps growth on kick because it makes his community feel unsafe and makes them not want to join the app even more knowing they aren't welcome on there and can run the risk of being hate crimed.

@@goopyguy21 please explain to me how a chat on kick will lead to real life hate crimes god damn there is no hope left for the chronically online😹

@@bengton actually forget the old one, I appogise for my wording, what I meant was hate speech can be shared online which it is then common for that to advance to irl hate crimes, hence why social sites esp ones that are trying to get big need correct moderation so they can get rid of and ban/lock accounts that share this hate speech, apps as an example are KZfaq, twitch and twitter that have this report system to stop situations like this, but unfortunately kick does not have this system yet, which is why I was saying I hope it can get fixed soon

@@goopyguy21 You cannot Dm on kick, all that needs to happen is proper chat moderation and none of the edgy other content creators matter to an insulated community. Yes transphobic jokes are still jokes and tend to be dark in nature. something offending people does not disqualify it as a joke, it just means you have to pick your jokes depending on the people listening. I have made racist jokes, as long as they aren't malicious, or at someone that gets offended it remains a harmless joke. Most jokes offend people, its just they don't use it on those that are likely to get offended. To be frank, just don't engage in adin ross' community and you don't see the mean shit you don't like. I also don't partake in jokes that make me feel bad. Its common sense and everyone should do so.

I find it easier to view smaller and more niche streams on YT that wouldn't even show up for me on Twitch. I feel like if you put a lot of effort in to your channel YT has the better tools to grow.

Especially for me, I have an incredibly poor internet connection, so Twitch streams ALWAYS have to buffer for me. KZfaq's compression is probably the best there is and I've never had an issue watching a YT stream.

Couldn’t agree more with both of you 👍

@@voigtoi find this interesting bc ive seen a lot of people say it and idk where yall are looking, but ive never seen a youtube stream that i didnt seek out at all, much less one from a smaller creator, but on twitch i can find hundreds of small streamers constantly recommended to me, and even more when i look through games/categories i like

I don’t watch streams much, but yes, KZfaq streams are so much easier and nicer to watch. Less ads and it runs more smoothly. Gotta love it.

That is why Adin got banned from Twitch because his chat was filled with unhinged hate speech which he refused to moderate.

IS the platform problem too when they sign a streamer as problematic as all those scumbags

You want to be responsible for what a bunch of people you know nothing about, message in your chat. Lol. Good luck with that.

@@GigiRuffa you have complete control of what can or can't be said in twitch chat through the use of bots and twitch itself

​@@GigiRuffadon't you know how streaming works? That's why people have moderators, bots, members only chat and filters...

That’s an extremely shallow opinion to have. Should I make an assumption about your entire life based solely on your name basically saying “dick lord”? Who’s “edgy” now?

that doesn't even make any sense

Umm wtf are you smoking most creators on kick are fine Elon unbanned a person sharing CP get a life

Agreed, I might get the occasional "content I don't want", but I press I'm not interested and done, will never see anything about that anymore.

it literally is. The duty of moderation is on the streamer at kick. All the streamer has to do is moderate their chat at a basic level and its better than tqitch since it has no dms so there isn't a method around the moderation like on the other sites.

@@Renko-510Real

@@Renko-510im so tired of this fake deep "no ethical consumption" bullshit. there's a difference between a platform that openly supports and uplifts dangerous and hateful rhetoric and one that doesn't

Selective outrage.

Kick and Rumble hasn't done anything bad that Twitch hasn't done either......you're just picking and choosing what to be mad at.

​@@Renko-510rumble is pretty much just a den of nazis, though. peter thiel and j.d. vance? come on.

It’s made sustainable because the entire platform is backed by a massive gambling company. They’ve got tons of replenishing money to throw at big creators, and in turn they’re hoping they will contribute to adding new life long gamblers to the pool. I doubt it’s as worth it for starting creators in general. It’s essentially the same way on Twitch where things become more worth it once you’re able to make advertising contracts.

@@_indigo_inked ive heard that point before but in my mind the amount of people who will become hooked on gambling would never be enough to finance the absurd split and lack of ads, right? it just doesnt check out for me, anyway.

@@orkazzz2733 Fair enough. I won’t pretend like I know how much money it takes for these major sites to run. Waaaay more than i could hope to see in my life. Plus there’s no shot I can predict the turn over or acquisition rates of gamblers Stakes would be depending on without research. I was throwing in a guess, but yeah you’re point is just a valid and possible for the site. To me, it seems like there’s the potential for sustainability for their major creators, but probably not as much opportunity for anyone who falls below that.

​@@orkazzz2733it's going to be sustained by the amount of kids that get into gambling. There's a reason why stake gave so much money to xqc prior his move to kick. He was paid millions but stake earned wayyyy more by getting children in gambling on stake.

I don't think it'll change. I remember Train said Kick is a "free speech" platform

Streamers are open to moderate their chat just the same as they did on Twitch. People just see the worst toxic streamers and apply that to all streamers of that platform but why not when they were on twitch first? Twitch still has gambling streams and hot tub streams now what site allows you to hide them? What site removed Hot tub and gambling streams than brought it back because of backlash?

@fifi_lurks they have to if they wanna grow as a website.

​@@yololoyo7379it is free speech, average twitch user lmao

As the other guy down here said, people can moderate their chats the same way they could before. If anything I’d argue Kick has done better than Twitch in certain ways to have kids avoid bad content by being able to hide the hot tub streams and gambling.

That's the most probable outcome to all this. The fact that they're barely even taking a stance or any action towards stopping (or at least moderating) hate speech on their platform will only allow weirdos to thrive on there even more, which means it's only gonna get worse from now on. I hope those baby streamers from the hourly revenue program will be able to keep their careers going afterwards, because even if a big streamer like Sapnap goes through a bad phase, he can easily recover from it. They might have a much harder time, and if this keeps going the way it's been going, then Kick will crumble on itself like a card tower.

970 million you mean*

It was 970 million and back in 2014 when the streaming space was much smaller

what investors bud

whataboutism isnt inherently a bad thing though, it can actually be a good thing if it actually has heavy relation to the topic. person 1: look at xqc's streams its so wholesome spamming xqcL. that must mean kick is friendly and inviting! person 2: well what about adin ross streams? his chat is very toxic and harmful to groups and people so that musn't be accurate.

Honestly, genius idea to watch stuff with friends

With the way streaming services like Netflix are pivoting to anti-consumer/pro-shareholder policies this is entirely ethical. Plus it's not like Netflix pays actors or screenwriters anyway, hence the strikes.

@@voigtoI mean, you can think it is ethical, it is still illegal and entirely in the right of the companies whose legally copyrighted material being distributed to sue the platform of Kick and the creators doing these illegal streams. It is just a good way to essentially brick your platform by having a dozen different giant media companies sue you at once for streaming their various shows and movies, killing the site for some "ethical" practice of protest against their actions, which actually does nothing to help the striking workers as the companies will get even more money suing Kick.

Which only works because Kick is so small that copyright holders don't care (yet)

I don't think I've seen such a bad like/dislike ratio on an ltt video before until today. It's 50/50

​@@AltraHapiwhat video?

If this was true why would they have an easy to get to way of hiding casino and hot tub streams that twitch doesnt even have?

​@1WithTheDark cause it's a good PR move and they know most people won't bother doing it. This way they can deny all the accusations while having little negative impact from it.

@@1WithTheDark xqc is not going to sleep with you kid

Fr. Twitch is just a wholesome website and bezos is a great guy who really everyone can trust.

@badbunny371 and pokimane won't sleep with you kid.... (I don't even watch xqc)

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I have hard time believing those stake guys thought a streaming platform is a good business venture. It's obviously there to funnel people to stake.

​@@jellytwins1018even then this great threat to twitch will put some peppers in their butts so they can start thinking for once

"weebfox" kill me ☠️

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It does seem that he cares more about money than his community.

The deleted part he's talking about: kzfaq.info/get/bejne/d7WXaK1_yJ_Jlp8.html

NGL having minecraft audience is one of the worst jobs ever, it is like running a day care, but you have thousands of kids at once

I hope so.. there shouldn't be much moderation tbh.

There are channels I watch that have the same moderation as twitch. They have normal mods like a twitch chat that bans and censors the chat to the creators liking.

which would be a terrible thing for sapnap, large majority of his fanbase are minors

I think if they changed it to make the adult content opt-in instead of opt-out, you'd see a big improvement. They have a chance to do what twitch should've done, allowing adult content to thrive while keeping it separated enough from your main content base that it's not going to interfere with a younger users experience or annoy people who simply aren't interested in that content. This notion that a site has to be just for adults or just for kids is what's ruining content creation, the platforms should simply be doing a better job at distributing content to the demographic it was meant for

@@colbyley7008exactly