I have not any information on the Vader 4 so I cannot speak on that. As far this controller vs the Apex 4. Honestly a tough decision to make. The Apex 4 is an amazing controller and performs better but the button placement for the rainbow 2 to is better and more comfortable hold in the hands.

@@NappySenshi I ended up getting the rainbow 2 pro. It really impressed me so far. The response time and accuracy of the sticks is amazing. Also, I really enjoy the 2 shoulder buttons coming from previously using a razer controller. I would say it's the best controller I've used so far. Hall effect sticks would've been nice but these potentiometer ones feel premium.

​@@sonofgodrajshould still check out apex 4 if you can. I started this recent spree by buying the rainbow 2 pro, this, then got the Vader 3 then Apes 4 and the difference was noticably higher quality/felt more natural. I do wish it had physical trigger stops and like u said, the two shoulder buttons but overall it's , leagues above the rainbow 2 which I still adore. I got the wolverine ultimate and manba one next then just got the victrix Gambit pro for Xbox/PC and man, that's where it's at. It's my favorite controller ever. The company is releasing hall effect pods for its sticks too but there's already a good option on Amazon at like 25 bucks a piece. But the stock sticks really are incredible. Coupled with 5 step trigger stops and rhe best back button/triggers/paddles is the best in the industry. They have em staggered like elite series2 but they're buttons on the inside of each handgrip. Gotta try it.

@@KevinRay_man I will take your advice into consideration. I was debating about just waiting for a vader 4 to be released.

I just try to access the mobile app and getting the same thing. It seems like it is down for some reason. That sucks.

Hey they just update the website. You can now download the software.