I would LOVE to know your thoughts on Threads, The War Game, When the Wind Blows... and the like... I was 11-12 when the Irish health board sent iodine tablets to every home in the East Coast in 90s because of the fear of Sellafield being attacked... Ive been crazy into nuclear stuff since...i remember a particularly detailed description of an underground shelter being in the James Herbert final book in the Rats trilogy 'Dominion'... At the start there's a nuclear exchange... Two character's get to a government shelter... Aaaaaand evil mutant rats attack... But i would give anything to see a shelter and to listen to stories.

Kinda terrifying. I understand the need for efficiency and abstraction but shit how do you divorce the science from the countless humans in misery. I think in a way it's better now all these types of preparation are completely pointless. Hypersonic ICBMs mean no warning and no chance of "Duck and Cover" I grew up going to school next door to a royal observer core bunker right next to my primary school at craigiebarns in Dundee. Scary to look at it everyday. We all knew why it was there. The 80s was a crazy paranoid time to grow up. I vividly remember my dad borrowing a VCR and TV from his work to watch Threads. I guess I was 10. He was watching it in the living room and I came down from my room and he initially tried to shoo me out but eventually relented and let me watch it. It scared the living shit out of me and I remember to this day having the Bomb dream where I'm coming home from school and I see the mushroom cloud a few miles away. I'm only 20 minutes walk from home but the fear I felt in that dream is the same fear I'm beginning to fear today given the current situation with Ukraine and Russia. It only takes on Tac Nuke and we could be in the catastrophic MAD scenario. I never thought I'd feel like this again. We are so stupid as a species. Luv and Peace?

@@ianedmonds9191 They had us watching Threads at school, probably because at that time there weren't many Yorkshire films around. It scared the shit out of us too, especially because we weren't that far from Sheffield where it was set!

I'm not British so please forgive my importance when I express my feelings that , it looks a bit of like so much terrible good fun ! 😄

@@bellvnv2000 fortunately because of 9.11 and current events we know that it's just fun. No business in a nuclear exchange

Keep calm and carry on burning.

Wheres the best place to be? Blind Drunk at Ground Zero of the first one to go off.

@@51WCDodge Agreed.

Steve P and pay your. Taxes

How very British of them. Stay calm and carry on.

Is it tea time yet?

"G'day, guh'neh! The last missile strike took out the barracks where our families were sheltering - shame that is. Anyway, pip-pip, cheerio, fruit loops, frosted flakes, etcetera, etcetera!"

must be able to remain calm.. whilst the whole world is falling down around you .. one panics .. everyone else goes to pot ..

Well they didn't do that in Threads drama.

My grandma old gal.. what big teeth you have

In reality we're racist morons.

Philip, my dear boy, armageddon is no excuse for forgetting one's manners.

yes yes, awful business that

And one guy said "blast!" lol

Get me some hobnobs will ya!

Well, it _is_ only Kent after all. Let's save the histrionics for when somewhere important gets vaporised, what?

Lots of this generation would have served in WW2 - most would have seen stuff that would melt a snowflake today

@@lleifior2 Without TEA ? !!!?? Has all this nuclear business got in between your ears young man ? (if the cows are all dead find a lactating woman)

lol -stiff upper lip and all that!

stiff udder tit

this doesnt exist anymore

They replaced it with........literally nothing.

@@stevef452 and anybody would be a fool to think that this would’ve actually operated if a full scale nuclear attack on the United Kingdom had taken place at that point it all becomes doggy eat dog. These people might sit in there shelters, but it would count for nothing.

Typical British understatement from the narrator..."Oh Well Chaps; Better Luck Next Time.."

Chin up!

What next time?

Unintended humour here.

right jolly good show. carry on!

А став еще более взрослым вы понимаете что тот "бункер" не спас бы ни от одного наземного ядерного удара. В моем городе есть бункер на глубине 500м. И даже такая глубина не защитит от водородной бомбы 1мгт с наземным взрывом.

​@@kotnapromke Depends how far away from detonation and the local topography 😮REALITY 🇬🇧🤠

@@ianmangham4570 При наземном взрыве идет ударная волна в грунте со сдвигом 4-5 метра в течении 0.05сек. Это около 1000g. Ни один человек не выдержит такое ускорение. Даже если стены бункера останутся целыми. Именно поэтому в важных бункерах оборудование находится на специальных амортизаторах. Но человек не сможет привязать себя резинками к полу и стенам. Такой сдвиг внутри земли ударит его смертельно.

@@kotnapromke Unga bunga?

Nuclear Tally Ho. What ho nuclear weapons what what what.

"That two-megaton chap..." Nice that they aren't taking this personally!

some of the people doing this would probably have been doing the same thing during the war just no nukes

And have a system based on a clipboard on a string.

@@stephenmartin6995 Well at least that part can't get affected by an EMP.

Farquar Hoffe I say, stiff upper lip old boy.

decrisp1252 one of those atomic thingys then, well i expect its curtains for us then old boy. Toodle pip.

Hello Mate....sorry to bother you but they just dropped the Bomb....I put the kettle on.

^ This is why we can't have nice things.

We are not in a much better position today. More countries have these and some countries not subject to treaties or inspections are busy building as many of these as fast as their vast manufacturing capabilities allow for. The final resting places may be a bit deeper and a bit better stocked, but the results would be the same.

@@richhagenchicago We are better than 20 years ago. Facts don't care about your feelings remember. Poverty and hunger levels are going down. Thats a fact and theres really nothing you can do about it. sorry.

@@KuroNekoExMachina Hmmm, I am looking for your facts there. You mention poverty levels, but I am not sure how that would reduce the risk of an accident or a mistake involving nuclear weapons, and looking at major conflicts in humanities past, I do not see a reduction in poverty stopping conflict. At any rate, I just checked the U.N. site, and there are still about a billion people living in poverty according to them. My opinion on that is that it seems more like wishful thinking. As for facts: 1. It is a fact that more powers now possess nuclear weapons now. I would think it obvious that everything else being equal, the more countries that possess and control these the more likely they get used. 2. It is a fact that the Brookings institute which studies and reports on such things, reports that tensions between major powers are increasing. You really don't need a think tank's study to figure that one out anyway. Was it just a week or two ago that soldiers from two nuclear powers were killing each other on their shared border. 3. It is a fact that additional powers are now enriching Uranium to a level beyond that required for nuclear power. Iran has withdrawn from its agreement and is enriching Uranium in quantity to a level that has few other uses other than weapons. They are announcing that they are doing this so I don't think you should need much more of a reference on that. 4. New weapons that would give defenders less time to detect, identify and respond are being deployed. China for one announced the deployment of the DF17 hypersonic missile which can deliver conventional or nuclear payloads quickly, Russia was accused of violating the IMF treaty and the U.S. has withdrawn and is developing its own intermediate range cruise missiles. It should be rather obvious that the less time that a nuclear armed nation has to determine whether they are under a nuclear attack, the more likely that a mistake will be made. You can look up a list of close calls for yourself and see that in many of those cases time to make a decision on whether to retaliate was a definite factor. In summary, I believe that you are very naive if you think the risk is gone or even reduced. Even getting a reasonably accurate estimate of how many weapons there actually are deployed is getting harder and harder, although it is likely much less than at the height of the cold war, the weapons are under control of more entities and likely can be delivered more reliably. Neither India, Pakistan, or China give counts of how many weapons they have deployed and they are not subject to treaties allowing for inspections or counting by outside powers. Now this is an opinion, but I believe we are at greater risk of a nuclear war than we have been at since the end of the cold war, and that risk is growing, not shrinking. It will take intelligent people on all sides getting together and putting agreed rules in place to truly reduce the risks of nuclear war either by intent or accident.

​@@richhagenchicago Thats too much BS to debunk sorry. Go look for a professor to help you out.

All of us kids in the 80s were morbid. I lived in North Florida surrounded by Air Force and Navy bases during the 70s and 80s. We would've been pickled with fallout. A friend of mine and I in 1983 were so certain the balloon was going to go up.

As a teen, "The Day After" gave me nightmares. But it's sugar-coated Disney in comparison to "Threads".

@@johnmccnj saw The Day After yesterday, first time i've seen it. I'm ex ROC but this is the first time i've seen Hole in the Ground!.

Lol true the war game terrified me

No,cricket will be played during the nuclear winter.

Threads showed civil defence nuclear war couldn't work.

@@garyturner5739 It's funny how confirmation bias works. If you believe that civil defense works, you watch this or "Sound an Alarm" and see how it might function. If you believe it won't work, you watch "Threads" and think it proves what would happen . The truth, of course, is going to be somewhere in between.

@@garyturner5739 A bit too dramatic in terms of the actual outcome, good drama though.

Well if Russia and China truly have upgraded their nukes, would it really matter?

everything was disestablished or radically reduced in scale after the fall of Communism - a big mistake if you ask me.

Also public apathy

"Blast!"; Yes, that and the radiation.

Well back then they could not text out an alert to your cell phone. I am not sure we would get much warning if the trigger was a mistake or accident though, and it would be likely most people would not be in the right places for that. Weapons are likely more accurate and if the planning and response centers are known to an enemy, they would likely be specifically targeted as well.

Back then, that man running down the road blowing his whistle might have seen action in WW2. A soldier could not afford to lose their nerve, even in the face of certain death. The stiff upper lip and the automated nature of the response were their means of facing such danger. No individual can know how they'll react to imminent danger; but the training and information during the Cold War was intended to keep the populace calm and to help ensure that more lives could be saved.

I agree. That damned movie broke my heart. And I'm a big Trump supporter and to the right of Ronald Reagan.

@@p70581 how do you feel that reagan was preety anti gun?

Kaiser...morons like him don’t go by policies. So long as some bigot says Make America Great again he’d vote for for them. Just like fucking Hitler. You’d think we’d have learnt by now wouldn’t you,.

@@jamisbillson4872 You're an idiot if you think that trump is actually hitler, wanting illegal aliens out of the country is not racist no matter how you leftwingers like too wine and moan about it. And don't tell me about ''concentration camps'' that stuff has been debunked two years ago

@@WillyShep1966 who decides who's illegal

And yet Britain did not have a true second strike capability yet. The SSBNs wouldn't become operational until 1968, I believe. I guess the idea would be to launch the V-bombers ASAP, upon warning, and see what they could blow up in Russia.

@@adamwsaxe During the time of bombers the V-Force would’ve have more than enough time to get every strategic bomber in the air. Moscow would be in ruins. The bloodhounds and Lightning’s would have stopped a good amount of Soviet bombers but not even close to all of them

LOL

Hearing those sirens gave me chills. Used to hear it in the 1980s. Guess they were testing that they worked

Might make some people nostalgic. I grew up with sirens tested every first working day of the month. The sound of my childhood and young adulthood.

Hmm well, it just showed how people had very little knowledge of what a nuclear attack would actually do. Anyone within 10 miles of a 1 megaton bomb would be dead, and they are working on the proviso that the attack would be limited, just insane really. This film is obviously designed to try and re assure " Joe Public" that everything will be ok.

The film was made in 1962. The expectation was mainly air attack, so it was considered survivable. When I was in the ROC in the 80s and 90s the threat had changed to missiles. We worked on the basis of 50% of the population surviving the initial strike, who would need guidance as to where might be safe. Surely it would have been immoral not to do something to try to save 28 million people?

Yes, just pure ignorance of nuclear weapons effects most of the Military personel involved in nuclear tests are either dead or dying of cancer. Just utter madness.

@@deanstuart8012 Even without a bomb going off most wouldn't survive one day without a cell phone .might aswell get pissed instead.

What do you expect them to do? Information regarding nuclear attacks would have been urgently needed and wouldn’t have been available any other way. What would you have done? Stuck you head between your legs and kissed your arse goodbye? Sounds like that’s all you would have been useful for.

I agree wholeheartedly with you. In the mid to late 1980s I watched world events and civil defence developments from the relative safety of New Zealand. I was appalled that the end of the Soviet Union was met with a rush to cash in on the so-called "peace dividend". The abolition of the UKWMO, and the reduction in civil defence - and defence in general - was a mistake. It takes time to build infrastructure, even if there is the political will to do so (which there isn't nowadays). Personally I was also upset at the abolition of the Civil Defence Corps in 1968.

In all likelihood your weather service has good modeling methodology to plot and advise decision makers on the data.

How about a lead-lined tweed jacket?

Who's using the family braincell this week, Lt George.

with lashings of strawberry jam and fresh bread !

Tally ho! Pip pip, and Bernard’s irradiated!

😂😂😂

You're welcome. Thanks for watching!

Hey! A lot of us are still here...we KNEW it was useless at the time(1960's ; Pittsburgh area; Pennsylvania..).

OPERATION..COMPLETE WASTE OF TIME.

Andrew Wade operation chipotle

Rawther, old bean. Spiffing mess we've made, what?

When you know it's your secondary school physics teacher ???!!!!!!! Spend their lives giving weekends and 75% of their annual leave up?!, to Protect our futures?????!!! Then........ Spending every Monday to Friday teaching the ones whom will balls it all up....????!!!

So what's wrong with tweed jackets smartarse?

Ah yes, back when we believed in experts.

In 62 most of those blokes would seen service in WWII, and would have been well aware of calamity. I doubt the same could be said for whoever is doing the job today in their North Face puffa jackets ? Of course that assumes there are actually folk doing the job today, its entirely possible the whole shebang has been scrapped to save money. :)

where did you expect you would end up landing after such an event?

​@Chubby T probably somewhere south of the equator if the EMPs from the various blasts didn't knock them out of the sky first

@Chubby T Yep--That's why the French strategic bombers only had sufficient range to reach their targets in the Soviet Union--I think it was President Charles de Gaulle who said about this: "If they ever have to carry out that mission, there will be no France to return to." They, like we, rely on deterrence, making nuclear war so horrifying (with not even a Pyrrhic victory being possible) that no one would be crazy enough to try it. Unfortunately, there are a few countries and leaders who may be that crazy...

The blast effects of a nuclear weapon do not scale linearly with the yield.

@@Schwarzvogel1 Depends on it's vector. Subsurface, surface and airbursts are all different, and weather also affects yield effect

Understood old boy.

Well, since we are in N.A.T.O. that seems unlikely...and if we didn't have them, we wouldn't be a threat to Russia or anybody else. Since Russia has plenty of natural resources, there is very little reason for them to attack or invade the U.K. other than defence of their own lands - i.e. they stop us from attacking them first. The war in Ukraine at the moment tells me something...it's good that the western powers are aiding Ukraine so they can defend against the Russian invaders but we as a sovereign state have no business being anywhere near Russian borders with our Naval ships. We need to realise exactly how defenceless we are against something like an underwater Nuclear explosion like the Russians were talking about recently, there's not a lot we could do about that. I'm completely certain that Russia would loose a conventional war, the west is obviously ahead technically speaking and their army looks to be poorly trained and lacking morale...but Nuclear Weapons...they have more and it wouldn't take many to bring the sun down on us...so what's the point of having them if they don't make us safer? Even if there's no war, the amount of accidents, mistakes and poor communications have nearly annihilated us all several times over the last 50 or 60 years. If we all got rid of them, we would all be safer.

Although a lot of the rank and file of the CND would have been well-meaning, I'm sure many of its leadership were Soviet agents or at least in league with them

I take it you're a yank that thinks all Brits talk like this and drinks tea. Wrong yank, you're not fat and obnoxious are ya, hunting for doughnuts in case Canada invades and takes them all... WOT WOT

@@Hertfordshire247 I take it you don't have a sense of humour.

Dam..!!!!!! play at Wimbledon has just been *temporally *called off????...

Don't forget to have some chocolate is well; did you miss that part in the film lol

@@Matt-Durham Yeaahh. I am about fucking fry pal. I'm having me some chocolate buttons.

"don't mind if i do old thing"

He's not referring to the bomb. He's referring to the crap he's just had on hearing the news about the bomb.

What's he think he's in "17/21st tank regiment" !!!!????? D or G boys.. S & XB on me beret.. now that's was some Cap badge..

iirc that wasn't a bunker it was just a basement, the miltary bunker is something we only see a glimpse off but its guarded by soldiers

Far better off just going home to your loved ones...............or family!

There's about 30 years between when this film was made and the production of Threads.

@@ianmcclellan7695 22 years.

@@mauzki- no that was just the food warehouse

People are making fun because all of these public information films that were made to reassure the public, were so far from reality, they do actually distort it. I'm sure nobody is deriding the professionalism and dedication of the real arginisations depicted, rather the fact that it couldn't do any good for the general public. There is a feel in the film that "everything will be fine"...but that was it's job, it was meant to bolster moral of the U.K, in otherwords it was propaganda. If a Nuclear Missile attack hit us it would also deliver a Electro Magnetic Pulse, taking out every electronic device and therefore everything that relies on such devices for miles around. So even if the Royal Observer Corps equipment was shielded from Nuclear attacks, commercial and industrial equipment wasn't. After the blasts, you wouldn't have gotten the message because you wouldn't have any electricity. Even if you had batteries, they wouldn't last very long, if you wanted to be kept informed you'd need your radio on constantly. None of those blokes in the observer bunkers have any protection but they're still going outside. The radiation blasts do not follow the wind, and would spread in all derection simultaneously in the missiles blast area, only the detritus blown into the air - the "fallout" would arrive on the wind, radiation sickness would have killed them within a day or two of exposure to something like that, if you close enough to see it that well, you're not gonna last very long. Essentially, these types of films were made to assure us that we would survive and civilisation would continue, a bit like London in the Blits - they were lying to everybody, nothing could be further from the truth. Hope I'm not putting you on a downer. Cheers!

@@barrycharlton6228 I understand, thanks for the explanation!

"believed" best practice at the time..

@@barrycharlton6228 "If a Nuclear Missile attack hit us it would also deliver a Electro Magnetic Pulse, taking out every electronic device and therefore everything that relies on such devices for miles around." The actual physics of it are far more complex than you're describing.

😂

Lol! Sounds about right

Ha, the irony is that most of the personnel were unpaid volunteers expected to do this in the event of a nuclear war - I was one! (but we got travel expenses, at least!). Smaller numbers of full-time staff were civil servants.

@@TheCatBilbo I was one myself. Spent six years on post and then crew until Stand Down in 91. Visited the restored post at Cuckfield in Sussex last year - I'm sure the entry shaft had shrunk over time.

No worrie's.....it's 2018.....

@Silently Sceptical £1.24 per hour attendance allowance plus Band C travel allowance of about £5. I made more per week from the ROC as a 16 year old than I did on my paper round. We used to get paid by cheque every three months,so I had to open my first current account while still at school.

@@deanstuart8012 I was No.4 Group Colchester and then No.23 Group Durham until stand down (all post-based). Happy times and the little we got certainly helped when I was 18!

Kubrick was a cold war obsessed person and most likely decided to put that music on "2001" after watching this documentary.

No nuclear weapon in the 70s would ever come within a mile of the council Estates in Nottingham .. it just having shity pillows that make you hardy

I remember the siren tests of the late 70s early 80s. There was one on the library at the bottom of our road. Used to scare the shit out of me.

I remember watching the war game in 86 and it terrified me

Computers could get knocked out by EMP, so it's still good to have the paper and pencils handy.

facts 💯

@@bwc1976but is it possible to provide protection for them

They certainly did become pointless in the ICBM age. This is bombers only, having to cross a fairly deep section of NATO territory.

Both films served their purposes well. Would be remiss to suggest the UK govt should have no preparations at all for a nuclear attack.

It wasn't pointless when this film was made, it became pointless as the Arms Race went on.

@@ianmcclellan7695 That’s only because, at the time, the USSR only had around 27-30 R-7 ICBMs with nuclear warheads (the rest were, and still are, used for space launches), and they would’ve all been aimed at the United States. Britain would’ve been targeted by bombers, and these can be intercepted or misdirected (the latter being the wisdom behind the CONELRAD system, the forebear for the modern-day Emergency Alert System).

Although Threads shows how an effort like this ultimately fails, it was fair and honest enough to show the organizing group accomplishing some good. The Sheffield group secured vital equipment and food stores, and probably saved some lives at least in the short term. Outstanding movie on many levels.

the absolute truth of what's needed.. when the world is falling down around you.. calm and civil mindset.. especially in special force's..

They knew that then. It's just not part of the film.

Radiation would have been low that soon after the blast - especially as it was an air burst. The biggest danger is fallout from a ground burst which would be dangerous an hour or so after the blast.

Was expecting at least a dust mask

They are remarkably calm considering the world is ending.

Following the Chernobyl acident , the remark about milk wasn't a joke. The montoring of certain farms went on for years.

what were they like, other than small lmao

@@harrisonkey698 A weighted hatch, then down a ladder to a small hall way, two doors, one to a lavatory, the other to a room, with desk & two bunks, for 4 people. 12 feet by 18 maybe. This site lists all discovered in UK, that are still in existence. 1500 were built. www.subbrit.org.uk/categories/nuclear-monitoring-posts/ I last visited christow. 15 years ago.

Are they none in Scotland, Wales or the North of Ireland?

@@johnmeechan4976: yes, but only a few are open to the public, and most (I know one locally to me) are privately owned

just make sure the vat & tax forms are submitted before the end of the financial year..

Newton Abbot, Devon, England, now THAT'S a true hell on earth.

That’s pretty depressing

But true.

So how could they expect the public to survive with make shift shelters when they couldn't survive with underground bunkers.

@@garyturner5739 They didn't. A lot of civil defence was about the illusion of control. You did not want John public rioting at the thought of his imminent death. Much better he quietly builds a shelter that gives a false sense of hope. Although a homemade bunker might be useful if you were a fair distance from a target. The problem you have then is systems of food production and distribution will have broken down and you probably die of hunger. Maybe better to just die in blast.

Interesting trivia. First target in an attack wasn't London, or faslane or anything like that.... But little old Whitby.

Because Putin got edgy

Borderline & Blissful BPD But there’s a “Chief sector warnings officer”. Can’t go wrong with that.

Can I pop round the bunker and pick up some stamps during the attack though, if they are post office people?

Well if "Papa Alpha's" bunker was anything to go by they're toast too.

Stiff upper lip old chap, never mind eh!

Taking down ME 209's or Doodlebugs....okay. But it's another song with supersonic balistic rockets......

Worked though lol

She gave a small knob a tweak. She's good with a knob.

No wonder??!!!! when the women were back working in the post office and a armed robber went crashing through the door screaming and waving the shooter all over the manor... The lass behind the counter didnt even blink an eye lid.. just picked up the emergency telephone and "squeak"'hello police, we've got a rather silly little boy with a little toy here?!!,,,,, over"... Then just goes back to reading the magazines...

@@pigpenpete That is a very britsh thing to say 😂😂

Not all only us peasants the royal family and government in nice deep shelters

Here is the warning.... We have fallen out with the Russians.

Oh, I say old boy, this whole nuclear caper sounds like a right royal blast!

one lump or two?

But she seems to have taken it pretty well!

@@alexmuenster2102as you have to in such a situation. I find a lot of the movies (invariably American) where the emergency management people abandon their posts to go in search of the children and/or wives or husbands, frankly appalling. Duty to the public comes first

Not really. What makes you think the enemy would want to nuke every square inch of the countryside? They'd only need to get the cities.

@@Galactipod Ports, cities, military bases, government buildings, naval dockyards, ....London alone had an estimated EIGHT warheads targeted at it, all between one and two megatons each. If you think of the size of the UK mainland then the density of targets, there really wouldn't have been much left, particularly when the fall out started dropping.

@@Galactipod because they built sufficient bombs to do that And the United Kingdom landmass is extraordinary small

Declan 6914 don't worry the BBC produced "The War Game" about the same time that put things more accurately. It was so accurate the government banned the broadcast until the mid to late 1980s.

Decl: Crippled isn't defeated or destroyed. Life would go on.

@@KB4QAA A nuclear exchange is nothing like conventional warfare. Any survivors would have an appalling existence afterwards. Everyone loses.

Ye threads and this are 22 years apart bigger weapons more accurate but still only 4 minutes to prepare and to hope to god you’d survive the first attack and any secondary attacks then hope you would survive the fallout period of the first 7-14 days and then you just got to Find food and water that isn’t considered Irradiated

"It's your job" "No, my back is killing me" "Send that 16 year old kid who came here on work experience" "High five"

I don’t think the fallout had landed, that’s why he looked at the mushroom cloud. The other guy got at least four roentgens didn’t have a respirator and dragged all the dust into the observation bunker to contaminate everyone else, sloppy.

@@harper277 surprisingly we weren't issued with NBC suits nor respirators. And we only started getting air filtration systems on a few posts in the very late 80s. Otherwise we had to open the hatch for 15 minutes every 8 hours for an "air change". I do wish that I was joking.

Dean Stuart OMG I didn’t realise this role was in effect a suicide mission. Did those in the observer corps realise this?

@@deanstuart8012 You were not expected to last much longer.

Just tell them ( through the closed hatch) if you dont mind just waiting right there.. for just a couple of minutes.. then yep you tell me about what's going happen at our final hour, then we'll just kinda see what happens in about 10 minutes time.. see if your version is actually true then ...I guess..