I think the angle they chose isn't good to show it, but you can tell from how they drive into angle that they're past 90 on initiation. these dudes are definitely capable enough to follow the name of the comp

It's also the turn we had to use. @@TheOtherPlayer

angle showed nicely and was multiple of them but has nothing to do with it. most drifts were just regular initiations, was not many backies at all (back tires in front of you not beside or else your just drifting) you can tell when they did it right cuz there trajectory will be different than a regular drift. And yes there capable of following the name of the comp but that dont mean they cant suck at backies. i watch people do them all the time irl and on youtube i know what im talking about and how to do them. All in all Formula drift usa is just loosing itself everyday trying to milk whatever they can out of it before people start realizing, japan should just take drifting back over and make it real again@@TheOtherPlayer

It's also the fact that half of the cars are from like 20 years ago before backies were even a thing and their setups reflect that

@@formuladriftwhat’s stopping you from using the hairpin? Even had a camera. Like the idea tho

luke "the backie daddy" fink

Came here to comment this lol

Chelsea, mad mike, diago. Just a few that I thought for sure would be in a backie comp.

I think you spelt Naoki wrong

Masato Kawabata the goat

Luke fink is backie king

He was. Lots of drivers were asked. Traveling, especially during Thanksgiving is quite hard I'd imagine.

right? Luke does bigger backies during tandems than this entire event pulled

Bro also JTP

Nahhhhhh forever and always Chelsea is the backie king. But fink does have the extra flair but Chelsea gets a lot more angle

⁠@@maleklucas128all the people saying tbis have never watched nakamura or Kawabata

I feel like all three of those guys would put on a good show. Add Naoki and Julian from Animal Style... I'd pay to see it. And whoever else can throw it to 110. Only a couple people in this event did it barely to 90. You can make up excuses on bad corner or whatever but any of those guys we listed would have gone big.

I think the camera that was facing the cars is the only one that shows the backies well

All of them didn't even do big backies only odi did one but a small one so they ahould get the grassroots guys in Japan. THose guys can huck

The was Only 2 big bakies. And the wernt even big

James deane can do better angles in his vlogs

Very agreeable comment here, should be on right side of track for good angle or drone cam.

Ngl Ik Adam is a fanboy drifter but I feel he would do pretty good in this event especially with the mustang that man may drive like a physco but he can whip nasty entries with the mustang

@@griffinwelsh james deane also does some insane backies in his rx7 and e92 m3 car. his video at the nurburgring is crazy how much angle has.

💯 if anyone would be the king it's luke

Hell yeah! i second this! They would just about throw a car away to show some spice and get backwards for the audience. These guys seems mostly unprepared. sounded like they didnt really get much time with the run and just kinda fell flat bc of that. Also, the camera angles were not the best. cant really see the cars angle bc of that.

Back when D1 cars were street legal ehhehe

Blegh, those 1000HP hyper-drift car machines would just make it worse for the fans who only wants to see just friendly-drifting. And take all the shine from those legendary RX7 and Supra.

They were. Lots were. Only some could make it or sacrifice time with family during Thanksgiving.

Other people can do that. We have to focus on what makes careers and longevity. We don't need to be the answer for everyone.

@@formuladrift That closed off mindset is what's stopping this from being something bigger.

No, actually taking attention away from the thing that literally employs people and lets them live their dreams is actually a bad idea. There is a time and place for ancillary activities and we actually have done a lot of them: RSR, Turn 14 project of the same ilk, Nitto Day, SEMAFEST are all things we have constructed, 5 seasons of drifting development in Qatar, the first to ever drift Yas Marina in Abu Dhabi, the only Asian Championship that was broadcast on national television for 7 years, Formula DRIFT Asia....I think we do more than just the Series, but if you are talking about what moves the actual needle, it's building FD just like you would build something like the NFL Supercross or MLB. Homerun Derby contests and Big Air comps are cool; Passing exhibitions have their place, but they are not the foundation or what actually creates an industry, especially not at this early stage of only 20 years. @@mintyCS

The FD Japan and US judges overlap. Most of them are the same

Just take the "X-Factor" off

We gotchoo@@gaudelio25

Dai Yoshihara, 2011 Formula DRIFT Champion and 19 year pro was the lead judge. A loser obviously.

I was also confused by this

Because the event was constructed by RSR and they wanted old Japanese stars and modern FD guys who could transport together their cars from a singular location.

⁠@@formuladrift please some how get Luke a seat in FD , no more Denofa gunna be little boring 👍🇦🇺

Masato Kawabata?

Backie is a way cooler term and it was what we would have liked to see. Obviously, commenters know much more about drifting than the drivers, but that's the point; once you get an online account you become an expert in everything. That's the cool part.

@@formuladrift hey man I've got a Reddit account and too much spare time, I am an expert! Joking aside I think this sort of format is good, it's always been a blast virtually, gives an opportunity for style to come through and negates car advantage on a reasonable layout.

Let's go!@@Philovski

You judge what you get and the judge happened to be 2011 FD Champion, Daijiro Yoshihara, a clear loser obviously.

@@formuladriftClearly doesn't know what a backie is or was a "Backie Champion" either. It's not just my opinion, its the majority of people in the comments.

@@ralmslb Ask yourself if us producing an event for RSR and them coming up with a name for a portion of competition has anything to do with what we know or Dai knows. We are literally the oldest drifting organization in the world outside D1 and he is one of the oldest, most experienced drifters; I think both of us kinda know what stuff means in this space and we also know people say dumb things on the internet while probably having done exactly zero of the things they are critiquing.

​@@formuladrift When you call an event "Biggest Backie Competition" and then solely focus on it with judges giving a score, the knowledge on the topic is important for fair scores. I think we both can agree on that. Then we watch the competition about backies, where essentially there is almost no backies preformed and yet very high scores. Backie being the ability for one to enter with the rear of the car first in a corner, which requires a lot of speed, power and driver control. Most of the runs were plain standard drifts, some good, but still, not a backie. You had Field first run, Bakchis second run, both pretty good but needed more speed and didn't deserve more than like an 80. With the best attempts I would say from Hibino first run that was like a 90 to 93 max. Also, being the oldest doing something in anything (regardless if an organization or person), doesn't automatically make you right on everything about that topic. Lastly, a very good athlete doesn't make a great referee or judge, often the opposite, the best athletes tend to not be good judging (we can see it on many sports). It's not the first time that FD organization refuses to accept criticism from the audience, assuming that the world is just a bunch of idiots and that only FD are the smart ones. If anything, people are really good at watching and judging, since they don't just watch FD. Remember, the best organizations in the world don't stay the best based on age...

No, I just think you are taking it too seriously and giving too much credence to your own ruleset which is not the one that was decided by RSR. Why would we privilege your idea? Was it your event? No, it wasn't. If we have an understanding of what is possible on that turn and we create relational scoring and we also are trying to have fun, you will always have gradations and have to relativize the scores. Who cares what the numbers are? They are just a reflection of the scale the drivers were driving and it is just unimaginably pompous to think Dai Yoshihara, Ernie Fixmer and Andy Yen don't know what a backie is in a technical sense. You realize "Backie" is a much more fun and marketable term than "biggest initiation", right? You understand that basic principle? And whether or not the drivers could actually do it, is completely irrelevant to the naming PRIOR to the event. Next, we have no problem accepting valid criticism if indeed the criticism is a good one with the appropriate logical entailments, but that is a very rare situation. Secondly, I'm glad you agree with me that drivers are not necessarily the best judges. Maybe you should tell EVERY other fan that thinks the exact opposite. The entire premise of this event was giving back to the industry from RSR (literally hundreds of thousands of dollars spent), a fun event where the seriousness of a regular event simply washes away. That's why it makes sense to have Dai because he is a recognizable figure and he is Japanese! For me personally, I was there and had such a good time because it was about laughs and hanging with friends. No one could care less about some rando thinks about the names of events or their perception of good judging. Literally doesn't even register one iota because that was not the idea or the standard. Either try and have fun or get off the bus. @@ralmslb

There are two drones; one FPV and one OVERhead