BIGGEST DIY Mistakes Adding a New Socket

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The Diligent DIYer

The Diligent DIYer

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Common mistakes when adding a new socket to an existing circuit.
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@mrfarts5176
@mrfarts5176 3 ай бұрын
Wow... fantastic explanation. I have a PhD in electrical engineering, and this guy just hit you all with a hotdog in the bum!!!!
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 3 ай бұрын
Very kind! Thanks for watching!
@craigomalley112
@craigomalley112 4 ай бұрын
If you're not an electrician and are planning to add any socket, or light switch. Listen to this firstly!!!! It will give you the confidence to add the electrical circuit and be certain you're doing it correctly. The advice he gives is absolutely correctly pitched AND ■(surprisingly)■ is even backed up with mathematical proof. Well done video poster!!!
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 4 ай бұрын
Very kind of you to say, thank you!
@capnskiddies
@capnskiddies 4 ай бұрын
I would have almost no confidence in my ability to identify the paths of ring circuits in my home. It was built in 1976, and rewired by a gobshite, at least partially, at some point in the early 2000's. I'm fairly certain I've extended the end of a radial to two double sockets in the living room, it's just for lamp lighting and phone chargers.
@capnskiddies
@capnskiddies 4 ай бұрын
I would have almost no confidence in my ability to identify the paths of ring circuits in my home. It was built in 1976, and rewired by a gobshite, at least partially, at some point in the early 2000's. I'm fairly certain I've extended the end of a radial to two double sockets in the living room, it's just for lamp lighting and phone chargers.
@paguliukas
@paguliukas 4 ай бұрын
Most gadgets now low consumption so to reach 20amps is hard plus u ad one socket not 3 or 5 😅😮 on the ring. But i agree very good explaniation i learned a lot. But if u have a litle brain u know kinda what hes saying
@robertallen2151
@robertallen2151 Ай бұрын
No, if you're not a spark and you're in doubt, call a fkin spark😂 A light switch and a socket are two completely different kettles of fish when it comes to DIYers. Normally you lot just whack the blue in the neutral bar because you don't understand switching lines and then booby trap your own switches.
@shumble69
@shumble69 4 ай бұрын
As an electrician of 44 years and approved NICEIC contractor, you are pretty spot on with this video, but would remind anyone watching that the provision of a new circuit from CCU would require to be Part P notified and an installation certificate issued. But still one of the more accurate diy videos I’ve seen. 👍
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@woodysmodellingdiary
@woodysmodellingdiary Жыл бұрын
Thank you for demystifying the issue of adding sockets. Your explanation was very clear and once again a very beneficial few minutes that sees me a little more knowledgeable and less likely to put me and others in danger!
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@alanpowell24
@alanpowell24 9 ай бұрын
Maybe you should employ an electrician?!
@CriticalEducation4SD
@CriticalEducation4SD Жыл бұрын
Very effective and clear explanation here. Genuine depth of knowledge illustrated by ability to provide analytical and critical commentary on regs…Is what I’d say if this was a university assessment submission! 😅 But seriously, it’s this level of understanding our subjects, to which we should all aspire. Kudus!
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, I’m no expert, just an over enthusiastic diyer
@Czechbound
@Czechbound 10 ай бұрын
Even for a civilian like me I was able to follow it.
@adamhardy8690
@adamhardy8690 6 ай бұрын
Kudos
@chrisholt2474
@chrisholt2474 Жыл бұрын
Great explanation, I will watch this film a few time to make sure I understand the content. Much appreciated, thank you, regards, Chris.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@FurFoxAche
@FurFoxAche Жыл бұрын
His voice keeps rising like he’s asking a question all the time. Very irritating.
@FurFoxAche
@FurFoxAche Жыл бұрын
It’s only 3 mins in and his rising intonation is too much. I can’t listen to any more.
@RobinHow
@RobinHow 9 ай бұрын
Great video - really clear, well illustrated and not overly wordy. Thank you.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 9 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
@rosssabah
@rosssabah 3 ай бұрын
Absolutely the best video / explanation covering virtually every aspect - brilliant learning tool, exactly what I needed, in easy to understand DIY language. Thank you so much.
@mrfarts5176
@mrfarts5176 3 ай бұрын
He is a genius and just hit you right in the bum with a hotdog!
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 3 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
@Greebstreebling
@Greebstreebling Жыл бұрын
Brilliant well informed information for diy folks. Thanks very much for this. :)
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@alltherestofit8109
@alltherestofit8109 Жыл бұрын
Very useful and well explained, thanks!
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!!
@martinhypnosmith3416
@martinhypnosmith3416 4 ай бұрын
Great information and reassuring, always thinking of myself as a competent DIYer I'm pleased to find my existing understandings fit with your professional explanation.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 4 ай бұрын
Thank you! Thanks for watching!
@rkpatel100
@rkpatel100 Жыл бұрын
Working on some electrics now and this has helped, nice clear video! thank you!
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Glad it helped!
@saidkhan7155
@saidkhan7155 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video. Thanks.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Thank you for watching!!
@andycarr4718
@andycarr4718 Жыл бұрын
Great video, keep them coming
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Thanks Andy!
@terryhollis4132
@terryhollis4132 Жыл бұрын
You have a great talent for this. Perfect explanation. Thank you.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
You're very welcome! Thank you
@roybatty2030
@roybatty2030 8 ай бұрын
Great video, thanks. I liked the tip of inserting a fused switch into a lengthy radial circuit to cap the overall current.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 8 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!!
@stevegray5709
@stevegray5709 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video young man. Clear and concise. Also made me feel good about all the electrical extensions and other work I did in my 70's house back in the 80's (they really didn't cater for a future power hungry world). It would appear I did it all correctly. House is still here along with me!!
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Thank you, very appreciated! Glad you enjoyed it
@johnburns4017
@johnburns4017 4 ай бұрын
@@democracyforall What are you on about?
@WorldSoundSystem
@WorldSoundSystem 10 ай бұрын
I knew most of that, but I've never come across safe-plates before. Such a simple idea.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! Safe plates are great for plumbing too
@websurfer1585
@websurfer1585 8 ай бұрын
This was very informative, i have learned a few things i didn't give a thought about before thanks.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 8 ай бұрын
Thank you for watching! Really appreciated!
@marksfreeyoutube6159
@marksfreeyoutube6159 3 ай бұрын
Clear and concise , just in a 100yr old house, great heads up on potential problems, a little knowledge when discussing with electrician really helpful with my understanding
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 3 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
@David-bl1bt
@David-bl1bt Жыл бұрын
A very concise & informative video 👍
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Glad you think so!
@stevecreighton3352
@stevecreighton3352 8 ай бұрын
Great advice and well presented. If in doubt about a ring main then replace MCB with 20A which is a good precaution in any event as high power is not usual except for kitchens with many appliances in addition to oven and hobs ( separate 6mm T&E ).
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 8 ай бұрын
Thank you! And thanks for watching!
@DevonDaggers
@DevonDaggers 8 ай бұрын
Great explanation and diagrams. Thank you!
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 8 ай бұрын
Thank you, really appreciate that! Thanks for watching!
@Bananaskin1
@Bananaskin1 Жыл бұрын
Great video, my favourite expression when I don't understand something is 'explain it to me like I'm a 2 year old'. You achieved that in spades, thanks.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Thank you haha!
@quirkygreece
@quirkygreece 7 ай бұрын
Excellent video. I’ve been in the construction industry for over 50 years and this is the clearest explanation of domestic circuitry that I have ever heard, thank you.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 7 ай бұрын
Very kind of you to say so, thanks for watching!
@getyerspn
@getyerspn Жыл бұрын
Sparky here .. strangely a lot of homes here (Ipswich Suffolk) built 1945-1952 ish have 4mm radials for they're sockets .. I've always thought this strange for the 'after the war period'... you'd think that'd be smack in the saving metal period.... Anyway It's nightmare if you try to fit anything other than MK sockets as a lot of cheap sockets have small cable clamps that just won't take 2 4mm conductors...as for the safe zones .. kitchen fitters I'm looking at you ...the amount of diagonal cables ..or times I find sockets/ cooker switches in the combustion zone is uncountable.....nice video for the homeowners dude ..keep it up.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! Compliments from a professional always appreciated! Were the homes you mentioned wired with aluminium cables?
@garypautard1069
@garypautard1069 Жыл бұрын
Yes as a electrician I completely agree about kitchen fitters, in my experience I have spent hours correcting their wiring. And yes I understand about 4mm cables and MK sockets. In response to Dill-Diyer next question below. during my apprenticeship in the 60s there was a copper shortage and we substituted ring circuit cable with aluminium cable . (plumbers had to use stainless steel pipe). The shortage did not last long though.
@1globe
@1globe 4 ай бұрын
Excellent informative clip. Clear and to the point! I'm now a follower! 👏✅
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 4 ай бұрын
Welcome aboard! Thank you!
@harmonicresonanceproject
@harmonicresonanceproject 7 ай бұрын
This was incredibly informative. Thanks!
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 7 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
@gman7692
@gman7692 Жыл бұрын
Two 13A appliances into a double socket is a bad idea - most are only tested at 20A across both. Washing machines & tumble dryers are a favourite for cooked double sockets.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Yep absolutely agree, washing machine and tumble driers need singles. Thanks for watching!
@craigs6892
@craigs6892 Жыл бұрын
Unless actually take note on the appliance. Meile washer 2200 watt, Grundig dryer ( heat pump) 900 watt . 13 amps both ? Safe or not ?
@gman7692
@gman7692 Жыл бұрын
@@craigs6892 That's 13.5A combined, so well under the 20A probable rating of a double socket, therefore safe.
@craigs6892
@craigs6892 Жыл бұрын
@@gman7692 thanks, I'll leave mine plugged in then. Ain't messing with sockets as cant be arsed attempting, I know not permitting anyway ( dont like changing a car battery never mind with 240v stuff ) . House safe but one day get a rewire done .
@matthewcollis-long5233
@matthewcollis-long5233 Жыл бұрын
IMO there is an often overlooked part in the regulations which states that, when designing circuits any known load (so washing machine,tumble dryer, dishwasher, panel heater, water heater etc) should be on its own circuit. Whilst this inevitably increases the size of the consumer unit it removes the need for all socket outlet circuits to be designed for 32A. A 16 or 20A radial socket circuit per floor in an average house with a 32A radial socket circuit for the kitchen and each fixed appliance on its own circuit is the way to go. Rings are an anachronism.
@colinelliott5629
@colinelliott5629 Жыл бұрын
The explanation for the ring main system given to me many years ago was that it was used in warships for additional resilience, and then adopted after a methodical review of the wiring for homes. Before that, the radial system was used, with 3 sizes of plug and socket for different ratings. He was a physicist who had served in the navy during the war.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
That’s very interesting, and sounds plausible, thanks for sharing! Thanks for watching!
@colinelliott5629
@colinelliott5629 Жыл бұрын
@@TheDiligentDIYer1759 My curiosity was aroused, so I've just read about the introduction of BS 1363 in 1947. A number of benefits were foreseen, including economy of materials and labour. An expected 30% saving in wiring of ring over radial was indeed one of the reasons, and this was reaffirmed in 1994, despite the enormous changes.
@bobsmith3291
@bobsmith3291 Жыл бұрын
Admiral John radial and mr Gary Ring
@foogod4237
@foogod4237 7 ай бұрын
@@colinelliott5629 What everybody seems to miss about that, though, is that when they were doing those analyses they were not looking at the type of radial circuits we use nowadays. They were actually comparing _shared_ ring circuits to _dedicated_ radial circuits. An awful lot of pre-war electrical wiring had a _single radial running from the box to each appliance._ One circuit had one outlet, and that's it. So if you wanted to wire up five outlets, you were actually running _five radials_ to do it. It was really horribly wasteful. So _of course_ ring circuits would save copper over that way of doing things, because _just about anything_ would save copper over that way of doing things. Exactly the same savings could be claimed for _shared radial circuits_ like we all actually use nowadays, if they'd even bothered to consider them at the time. In fact, shared radial circuits _make better use of copper_ than ring circuits do. As was explained in the video, if you just break a ring into two radials, each with its own breaker, you could actually handle up to 40 amps instead of the 32 amps allowed for a ring (and do it more safely), so the ring configuration is actually _wasting 8 amps of current-carrying capacity_ in the wires, for no real benefit. (I can certainly buy the idea of doing this sort of thing on warships for redundancy, but for buildings it just makes no sense, and never really did.)
@johnburns4017
@johnburns4017 4 ай бұрын
Yes, they came from ships for resilience. They were introduced in the UK in late 1950s when they saw the fuse in the plug enabled rings to be fitted. My mothers house was built in 1954 with the 13A G Type sockets/plugs but with radials. Final rings were not a way to save copper after WW2, although it did help of course. Ring are ingenuous in their simplicity.
@Ngozika-ye9nq
@Ngozika-ye9nq 9 ай бұрын
Excellent video. Thank you so much for being clear and concise. No faffing about.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 9 ай бұрын
Thank you, very appreciated!
@neilduran3586
@neilduran3586 Жыл бұрын
Thanks, this is very interesting and very informative!
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@Baggiolyful
@Baggiolyful 9 ай бұрын
Great topic. I’m an electrician myself. I agree ring circuits are no longer needed. Most equipment in homes nowadays would happily run on 2.5 radial circuits. 60 years ago 2.5 radial circuits might not have been the perfect solution with alot more resistive loads drawing more current but nowadays everything is much more efficient.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 9 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! Absolutely agreed, outside of anything that has a heating element, most appliances draw little current these days
@zaxmaxlax
@zaxmaxlax 7 ай бұрын
They were never needed or used elsewhere, I didnt even know they existed until I started watching UK electricians videos. I can see the point in WW2 era britain but if you saving copper wouldnt you also save power? I can understand it in an industrial setting powering multiple machines but a 1940's home? People didn't even have refrigerators let alone washing machines and electric heaters.
@craigbeesley9601
@craigbeesley9601 6 ай бұрын
What's the difference in a spur off of a socket versus a radial circuit though, surely the same principal? And you're saying radial is fine, so why is only 1 socket allowed off a spur?
@Baggiolyful
@Baggiolyful 6 ай бұрын
​@@craigbeesley9601 I think you mean what's the difference between spurring off a ring circuit and spurring of a radial circuit ? is that your question
@craigbeesley9601
@craigbeesley9601 6 ай бұрын
@Baggiolyful no. A radial is just single wire not looped, to 4 or 5 sockets. A spur is just single wire to another socket, what difference is there in then carrying that on and making effectively another radial?
@TPV07
@TPV07 Жыл бұрын
Interesting, here in Hungary we usually use 1.5 for general sockets (phones chargers, hoover etc) with a 13A mcb, and about 5-10sockets per radial circuits/ 2.5 in kitchens mostly 16A mcb, radial/ hob, washing machine, water heater, towel dryer, oven, all separate circuits. Never seen a ring circuit being used over here
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for sharing!
@johnburns4017
@johnburns4017 4 ай бұрын
Because you do not have the fuse in plug.
@tomsmith3045
@tomsmith3045 3 ай бұрын
I've never heard an explanation for ring circuits before! The war makes perfect sense. Thank you! Never legal in the US. Ring configurations were used in some communications systems, though, and with the same issue. Without a failure detect mechanism, you wouldn't know you lost your redundancy.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@stepheniedickinson8688
@stepheniedickinson8688 5 ай бұрын
Brilliant! Concise and authoratitive.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! Thanks for watching!
@johannbraunstein1190
@johannbraunstein1190 Жыл бұрын
I am an electrician and I can prove that ring mains should be banned. If one is supposed to test without dismantling a circuit how can one test a ring main. On the standard test one has to reassemble the circuit once the test is complete which means the test one has just done is null and void because there is no proof that one assembled the tested circuit correctly.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Great point!! Thanks for watching
@patrickcannell2258
@patrickcannell2258 Ай бұрын
Where I stay, plug circuit is now only 20A. Ring mains are discouraged for the exact reason you mentioned. I hate them. In HV networks, they are common, but very well protected. Any break is picked up. LV, a no go now.
@malcolmmaclean9380
@malcolmmaclean9380 Ай бұрын
I have a friend who lives in Belgium but his street gets 3 phase to each house and I am sure he said they had to have radial not ring but IIRC they were cabled in 4mm
@leslieturner8260
@leslieturner8260 Жыл бұрын
I found that very interesting but one thought on safety plates, as most builders and some do it yourself people are now using cordless impact drill drivers you can easily drive a screw through those plates without knowing. cheers Les
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching! I’ve hit one going through plasterboard with a plasterboard screw, with no issues. But i don’t know how it would cope with a big wood screw going through floorboards first then into a joist. Maybe I’ll do a video on them at some point and test it!
@ChrisTheSparky
@ChrisTheSparky Жыл бұрын
@@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Hi there is a video out there showing a cut away section of a joist, safeplate and a floorboard and a impact driver makes light work of the safeplate going straight through it like it's not even there!
@ChrisTheSparky
@ChrisTheSparky Жыл бұрын
@@TheDiligentDIYer1759 kzfaq.infozGqfrbmRGKA?feature=share
@Farweasel
@Farweasel Жыл бұрын
People are going to suppose I have some sort of fetish or franchise selling *metal detectors* ... BUT ........... You're right, unless you set an impact driver to the lowest torque (maybe to avoid crushing plasterboard or whatever) yeah, there's every chance it would be through before it registered in your mind you'd hit metal.
@redf7209
@redf7209 Жыл бұрын
@@Farweasel I wouldnt rely on metal detectors. They dont always seem to pick up
@lucapuzzoli8363
@lucapuzzoli8363 Жыл бұрын
Thanks buddy . I'm a new learner loved the video. I didn't know about the safety plates. Cool
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Glad to help!
@Mr_Reaper
@Mr_Reaper 10 ай бұрын
A lot of good information there, thank you
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 10 ай бұрын
Thank you, really appreciate that!
@mb-3faze
@mb-3faze Жыл бұрын
It's worth noting that a 32A breaker, for example, doesn't just trip at 32 amps. They have very well defined over-current to time characteristics. This means that the breaker will not trigger until 10 seconds at three times the rated current. Even at double the rated current the breaker could take 100 seconds to hit its thermal trigger.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info!
@sylvester4207
@sylvester4207 Жыл бұрын
There are still electromagnetic breakers? they trip within like 100ms
@chris746568462
@chris746568462 Жыл бұрын
@@sylvester4207 Breakers contain both magnetic and thermal trips.
@mathewheron8268
@mathewheron8268 Жыл бұрын
@@sylvester4207 also the magnetic trip component is for short circuit current, which needs to be able to trip high current as quickly as possible. Whereas thermal trip is to protect against overload and can take time depending on the type of breaker
@jameshansing5396
@jameshansing5396 10 ай бұрын
this entire section is why people shouldn't do 'electrics.....
@canisferus
@canisferus Жыл бұрын
I am an electrician and your explanation is brilliant. The only thing I would add is that you are allowed to have up to 3 circuit per MCB and that mean you can keep broken ring without adding new MCB as long as you downgrade it to let's say 16 amp. But this shenanigans should be checked by electrician as no dyiers know how to check for Ze and Zs which are crucial for safety in electrical installation.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info, and thanks for watching, very appreciated!
@Farweasel
@Farweasel Жыл бұрын
CHECK for Ze & Zs My good man - I'm not entirely sure what Ze & Zs *are* 🙄
@gctelectrical5555
@gctelectrical5555 Жыл бұрын
Ze Zs R1R2 RCD trip times, Insulation resistance testing. All should be done when altering existing circuits as the Minor Works Certificate asks for these details, this is non notifiable works.
@uksuperrascal
@uksuperrascal Жыл бұрын
@@gctelectrical5555 I still have my 1000V hand powered Insulation resistance testing mega meter - a bit of history.
@IW-tb8wr
@IW-tb8wr Жыл бұрын
If space is an issue in the consumer unit, then perhaps this would be a compromise - However Regulation 314.4 (BS7671) comes into play - each final circuit SHALL be connected to a separate way in a distribution board.
@paulmansfieldcamuk
@paulmansfieldcamuk 4 ай бұрын
very useful, and easy to understand, thanks
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 4 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
@AnthonyFrancisJones
@AnthonyFrancisJones 8 ай бұрын
Excellent! Thanks for this!
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 8 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
@adam6759
@adam6759 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Got a theoretical question however with regards to unfused spurs off a ring main. If using 4mm which has a rating of 37A clipped direct, from the ring main via a socket or terminal block, why can’t you spur more than one? Using a FCU of 13A protects the 2.5mm you would typically use, but the 32A MCB of the ring main would protect the 4mm spurs of multiple sockets no? Curious to others thoughts really…
@IW-tb8wr
@IW-tb8wr Жыл бұрын
Regulation 433.1.204 - BS7671 shows the permitted options for a ring circuit. Your theory is right with 4.0mm it would be able to cope with the load. However, potentially if your connection is at a 1/4 point on the ring circuit then four heaters are plugged into multiple sockets on your 4.0mm spur you could introduce a large load on the 1st leg which leads to an unbalanced load. This will mean potentially 32A is being drawn on the 1st leg (electricity is lazy, it will use the shortest path). By only having one spur to one socket or FCU limits the load to 26A. Same applies to an FCU serving multiple sockets the load is limited to 13A. Balancing a ring circuit should be carried out in say a Kitchen where potential heavy loads are . Although ring circuits are dying a death as are split load consumer units. The preference is going to radial circuits due to the potential faults with rings.
@adam6759
@adam6759 Жыл бұрын
Thanks. Yes, but in theory could I not have 4 heaters plugged into the first double socket and double socket spur off the ring in the house, the ring then continuing on for another 14 sockets day? Therefore it will introduce the same conditions as above? Hope this makes sense. Fully agree with your comments too, radial is the way forward especially with high integrity earthing.
@IW-tb8wr
@IW-tb8wr Жыл бұрын
@@adam6759 ​@Adam your right you could do that- all the load could be at one end of the ring circuit. 433.1.204 is just a way to reduce the chance a big load as you mentioned+ adding to that section with the 4.0mm radial which would add even more. Which is why the 4.0mm is not permitted. Here is a puzzler - you can't install a radial circuit with 2.5mm from a 32a 60898 to serve one double socket. Max load would be 26A. But you can spur off a 60898 32A to a double socket if it's added to a ring circuit. Questions to the IET
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@elliotwilliams7421
@elliotwilliams7421 Жыл бұрын
​@@IW-tb8wr is there a max distance or sqm for spurring off a ring with a 2.5mm?
@grahampayne
@grahampayne Жыл бұрын
Worth mentioning that most people think a twin socket outlet is made to work with 2x appliances both running at 13amps. The BS that they are made too only requires the socket to be capable of carrying 13amps in total & if you look on the back you will see they are marked as 13amp & not 2x 13amp or 26amp. MK Electric tell me their twin socket outlets have been independently tested & will run at 19amps for a short period without any damage to the socket but if you go any higher thermal damage will start to occur quite rapidly
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Yes true, often seen when people have tumble dryers and washing machines in the same socket
@TheEulerID
@TheEulerID 10 ай бұрын
@@TheDiligentDIYer1759 The secret is continuously rated. The BS standard specifies that it must be possible to draw 20A from a double socket for (I seem to remember) 30 minutes without excessive increase in heating. In practice, it's pretty well indefinite. A washing machine and a tumble drier are not going to each draw 3 kW for extended periods. It's only when the heaters are operating, and both will be thermostatically controlled. Just about the only time 6 kW will be drawn from a double socket is by plugging in a couple of 3kW space heaters into large, cold room. It is very common for circuits to be run overloaded for a period. Often a cooker will, in theory, be able to draw far more power than the nominal rating of the circuit. However, MCBs are deliberately rated on a time curve (normally class B in domestic properties) and they allow for the possibility that a particular combination of grill, hobs and oven(s) might be turned on at the same time and exceed the sustained capacity of the circuit for relatively short periods. As an example, the BELLING Farmhouse 110E Electric Ceramic Range Cooker has an electrical rating of 14.5 kW. That's 63 amperes at 230V yet the manufacturer's instructions are that it can be connected to a 32A circuit. If it just happens that a particular combination means that it draws, say, 45A for 30 seconds before thermostats and so on kick in, then the MCB/RCBO won't trip due to the thermal delay (and fuses act that way naturally). It's just the same with a double socket with a couple of high powered devices. In practice, they aren't likely to be both pulling full load for a very long sustained period. Not that anybody tells the public about this.
@AlainsIsland
@AlainsIsland 3 ай бұрын
Here in Malta we used to use ring cables and i always wondered how exactly they save less cable. Really informative thank you
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 3 ай бұрын
Interesting, thanks for watching!
@jaigh2
@jaigh2 5 ай бұрын
Thanks. good advice and cleared up a few questions.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 5 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thank you
@raywalsh5414
@raywalsh5414 10 ай бұрын
I learnt quite a few things from that, thanks !
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 10 ай бұрын
Thank you, really appreciate that!
@colin101981
@colin101981 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for a clear explanation.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! Positive feedback always very appreciated
@billyponsonby
@billyponsonby 3 ай бұрын
Fascinating and well described.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 3 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!
@jameslawrie3082
@jameslawrie3082 7 ай бұрын
Very clearly and simply explained. 👍🏻
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 7 ай бұрын
Thank you! Thanks for watching!
@karllawls6579
@karllawls6579 4 ай бұрын
Great info, well delivered.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 4 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@hartpa
@hartpa 4 ай бұрын
All very useful thank you.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 4 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@peterdavey2767
@peterdavey2767 Жыл бұрын
Just what I was looking for, I tend to investigate before I add an addition socket, in my garage Thanks
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@patrickjay6434
@patrickjay6434 Жыл бұрын
Excellent video, thanks for sharing! 👍🏾
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@ChrisMahtal
@ChrisMahtal 10 күн бұрын
This saved me a lot of time, thank you!
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 10 күн бұрын
Glad it helped! Thanks for watching!
@martinda7446
@martinda7446 6 ай бұрын
Very concise summary.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 6 ай бұрын
Thank you, very kind! Thanks for watching!
@gappdanc7736
@gappdanc7736 10 ай бұрын
Excellent video, clear and concise 😊
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 10 ай бұрын
Thank you, thanks for watching!
@GW_Oldie
@GW_Oldie 4 ай бұрын
Great video. Thank you
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 4 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it! Thanks for watching!
@oId64goat
@oId64goat Жыл бұрын
Very helpful for rewiring the garage.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@jameshansing5396
@jameshansing5396 10 ай бұрын
shudders!!!!!!
@leecornwall8381
@leecornwall8381 2 ай бұрын
Excellent explanations!
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 2 ай бұрын
Thanks Lee! Thanks for watching!
@almerdiahmed3160
@almerdiahmed3160 4 ай бұрын
Nice job and good idea. Thanks for letting us know 🎉🎉🎉🎉❤❤❤❤❤
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 4 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@TheMisterB2u
@TheMisterB2u 10 ай бұрын
Thanks,very informative!
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!!
@andrewniven4350
@andrewniven4350 8 ай бұрын
Very informative video - thank you.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 8 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!
@dermottconnolly9309
@dermottconnolly9309 4 ай бұрын
Brilliant video. Well done you.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 4 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it!!
@brianjonesg8aso403
@brianjonesg8aso403 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the info, especially the safe plates which I have never seen before. I know there are none of these anywhere in my house, at the moment!
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@narindersingh5255
@narindersingh5255 10 ай бұрын
Excellent video. Thank you
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 10 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@Deebz270
@Deebz270 9 ай бұрын
Excellent delivery. Subscribed.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 9 ай бұрын
Thank you, very appreciated!
@PEACE-5
@PEACE-5 5 ай бұрын
Excellent video thank you so much
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 5 ай бұрын
Thank you, you’re very welcome!
@squee222
@squee222 10 ай бұрын
I'm a canadian and I just find this very interesting. Definitely prefer our code to yours :) Good video. Thanks
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!!
@richarddunn504
@richarddunn504 Жыл бұрын
One of the best explanations I’ve seen👍 surely plugging a 4 gang plug extension on a double spur has a risk of overload also?
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! A 4 gang extension lead will have a 13A fuse in, so won’t cause you any problems
@mufuliramark
@mufuliramark Жыл бұрын
Thank you for a very informative video.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@kennethatkins9250
@kennethatkins9250 5 ай бұрын
All good common sense info . Thanks
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 5 ай бұрын
Thank you! Appreciate the feedback and thanks for watching!
@BobBenz55
@BobBenz55 4 ай бұрын
Nicely explained 👍🏼 very helpfull
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 4 ай бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@user-xf9xe4it1n
@user-xf9xe4it1n 4 ай бұрын
very informative excellent 👍many thanks
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 4 ай бұрын
Very kind of you to say, thank you!
@jaystonn
@jaystonn 9 ай бұрын
Amazing explanation
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 9 ай бұрын
Thank you, very appreciated!
@pb871
@pb871 Жыл бұрын
Great video. Subscribed!
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Awesome, thank you!
@dave07drummer
@dave07drummer 8 ай бұрын
good info, also its always worth adding up the current that devices use and plug things in sensibly, on the plus side most things use alot less current these days.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 7 ай бұрын
Yes absolutely! Thanks for watching!
@RobSchofield
@RobSchofield 7 ай бұрын
Excellent!
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 7 ай бұрын
Glad you liked it!
@dodeath
@dodeath 3 ай бұрын
Thanks man!
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@knightime14
@knightime14 4 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@Wiltshire-observer
@Wiltshire-observer Жыл бұрын
Good basic explanation of domestic wiring. Newer houses tend to have enough sockets now, so far less likely that you would need to add more or interfere with what has been installed. However, older homes, particularly 50’s/‘60’s/70’s were barely provided for in today’s energy thirsty world. So that’s where the risks start when DIYers get involved. Many are fairly competent to add small modifications, but from my experience non-competent ones are the real risk. Sockets changed with new “USB” integral chargers is the latest risk, because those who don’t really have the necessary knowledge or good working practice can leave the terminals loose or incorrectly wired. My current home had a nightmare of half finished, wrongly completed wiring work, some of it live to the touch if you put your fingers in the wrong place. As they used to say “a little knowledge is a very dangerous thing”…
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@crcomments8509
@crcomments8509 Жыл бұрын
Those new sockets with integral USB chargers are a risk in their own right, never mind the installation.
@johnburns4017
@johnburns4017 4 ай бұрын
The worst electrical work I have seen has been done by people charging for it - general handymen, general builders, etc. I have seen some excellent DIY work for sure. Some do their research well.
@a.karley4672
@a.karley4672 4 ай бұрын
@@crcomments8509 How so? As I understand it, they're effectively triple sockets (or socket-count+!) with the additional socket driving the AC-2-DC converter. I'd see them as more threatening to the USB device (fail to putting mains into USB) than threatening to the premises overall. A couple of years ago I was talking to a Youth Hostel warden (i.e. commercial & residential work) where all the double-sockets (about 120) had been replaced with double+2*USB. I asked about the failure rate, and in a year, he'd not had one complaint of either a USB not giving charge, or a device being fried by the USB. Your assertion would imply the failure rate is higher.
@rob5944
@rob5944 2 ай бұрын
Learning about the history of typical installations was very interesting. Only yesterday another electrician mentioned the UK as having a weird system of wiring, now I know why!
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 2 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@grahamharkness5744
@grahamharkness5744 2 ай бұрын
well explained.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 2 ай бұрын
Thanks Graham!
@MarcusT86
@MarcusT86 10 ай бұрын
Great video buddy
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 10 ай бұрын
Thank you, really appreciate it!
@attainconsult
@attainconsult 7 ай бұрын
best explanation of this I have seen
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 7 ай бұрын
Thank you, very appreciated! Thanks for watching!
@stubrakon9683
@stubrakon9683 Жыл бұрын
Thanks great vid😃😎🤘👍
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it
@peterdavey2767
@peterdavey2767 Жыл бұрын
You may have answered a number of issues I have with a number of sockets not working as well, when charging drill battery doesn't charge on some sockets, noticed Fuse Spur, now I understand what this box is WOW
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@alexbaker4596
@alexbaker4596 8 ай бұрын
What a great video!
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 8 ай бұрын
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks for watching!
@tomorrow3582
@tomorrow3582 5 ай бұрын
Really good videos. Nice clear explanations at a digestible pace and without any bs. Subbed. Do you know of any good sources of info for learning about how many amps to put safely on a circuit, what cables and fuses to use etc? Some software or interactive website would be ideal for testing different wiring combinations etc
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 5 ай бұрын
Thank you, very kind of you to say so! I’m afraid I don’t have anything to recommend, sorry! Thanks for watching!
@RonJeremy-ef1es
@RonJeremy-ef1es 5 ай бұрын
Consult a properly educated and trained electrician. There are many factors to take into consideration before connecting a cable to an electricity supply.
@wisteela
@wisteela Жыл бұрын
Very informative and interesting. My flat was rewired etc before I moved in and they put the kitchen sockets on a separate circuit due to that being where the most high power appliances are used, which is a great idea. Is the not taking a spur from a cooker the reason why you don't see cooker switches with sockets nowadays most of the time.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Thank you! I’m not sure, but you are right, they do seem to have fallen out of favour
@grahampayne
@grahampayne Жыл бұрын
They went out of favour when the first set of rules came out about fitting RCDs for socket outlets at it then meant you had to fit an RCD to the cooker circuit as well
@wisteela
@wisteela Жыл бұрын
@@grahampayne Thanks for the info. That makes sense.
@irrelevantdotcom
@irrelevantdotcom 3 ай бұрын
I was rewiring a kitchen as a favour for a friend in the 90s.. Had every circuit in the house switched off except for the cooker circuit, which had a socket on the switch, into which I had a lamp plugged in, because it was evening and had gone dark. Pulled off an old socket about four feet away, clipped the cable, and flash, bang, and the lamp went out. Idiot DIYer who had owned the house before had wired it into the cooker circuit. I was lucky that the only damage was a blown (40 amp!) fuse and a big chunk melted out of my favourite wire cutters. Thankfully they were properly insulated. These days I'd switch it all off, use a battery lamp, and still check for voltage before I touch it.
@shoaibnadeem
@shoaibnadeem 9 ай бұрын
Thee best video on KZfaq!
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 9 ай бұрын
Very kind, thank you!
@Nick-pr5gw
@Nick-pr5gw Жыл бұрын
Thanks nice well put together video. Happy that I meet all of your comments. Except “safe plates”. Never heard of them? Never seen them, which the plumber and the electrician that did put house had used them. They look like a very good idea. Are they a new thing?
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Жыл бұрын
Not sure how new they are, but definitely recommend using them. Thanks for watching!
@olli1068
@olli1068 3 ай бұрын
I have never seen or heard of ring installations before (living in Germany). Always interesting to see what is regarded "normal" elswhere.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 3 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@johncoppinger3208
@johncoppinger3208 6 ай бұрын
Excellent 👌 subscribed 👍
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 6 ай бұрын
Thanks for the sub!
@shornsparks20005
@shornsparks20005 10 ай бұрын
Thank you for your video, could you please clarify on a radial circuit do you not have to have a bigger cable like a 4 mm
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 10 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching! A radial on 2.5mm and a 20a MCB is standard, or radial on 4mm and a 32a MCB. You’ll need to consider cable runs and appropriate cable rating, but the numbers I’ve given are most common I find
@shornsparks20005
@shornsparks20005 10 ай бұрын
Thanks very much
@akarca
@akarca Ай бұрын
harika bilgi için teşekkürler..
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 Ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@johnburns4017
@johnburns4017 4 ай бұрын
A friend a few years back bought a one bedroom flat in London, costing a fortune of course. He was stuck for money renovating the place. He focused on the bathroom and kitchen to spend. I told him he could cuts costs on the electrical system. I explained. ... Have *two* circuits with a very small and cheap Consumer Unit box. One circuit serving a 4mm ring and one 1.00mm lighting. Heating and hot water was via a gas combi. I said Induction hobs are now available with 13A plugs. Ovens now have integrated microwaves (saving worktop space) being 3kW maximum (13A plugs). He was to have a dishwasher and washing washing. So, the ring to have: ▪ The induction hob (3kW) and oven (3kW) off 13A fused spur isolation switches in adjacent cupboards. ▪ Dishwasher (2.2kW) and washing machine (2.5kW) off 13A sockets in adjacent cupboards. ▪ The ring fed four heavyish current drawing appliances plus a toaster via the sockets. He used an IKEA kettle on the hob, so no need for an electric kettle taking up worktop space. The rest on the ring was TV, computer, combi and phone charging. If The 4mm cable was cut for any reason the AFDD 32A breaker would protect the two cable legs and also if there was any imbalance on the ring. The ring was a distributed busbar. The likelihood that all four appliances would ever be on full power at the same time was extremely slim (diversity). He bought a reel of 4mm cable on a good deal as well. I suggested at least an RCBO, but ideally an AFDD on the ring with an RCBO on lighting would be far better. He went for the AFDD costing about £55 over the RCBO at the time. Works a treat. Very safe, as *all* the flat is given AFDD protection apart from the LED lighting, which can have an AFDD in the future with a simple swap in and swap out. Never had any problems. It never costed a fortune - saving quite a lot of money. Look at the Continental main boards in one and two bedroom flats - huge and expensive full of radial circuits and breakers - typical in French installations is _three_ RDCs in a small flat. It looks like what you may have in a small school. Unnecessary.
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 4 ай бұрын
Thanks for watching!
@John-pp2jr
@John-pp2jr 9 ай бұрын
👍clear and useful
@TheDiligentDIYer1759
@TheDiligentDIYer1759 9 ай бұрын
Thank you, really appreciate it!
New consumer unit replaced - less then 2 years old 😩
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