The disappearance of men | Christine Emba

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“Masculinity” has become synonymous with “toxic.” Journalist Christine Emba explains how that happened, and how it can change.
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Young men are increasingly finding themselves single and struggling to meet traditional expectations. Journalist Christine Emba breaks down the masculinity crisis and what can be done to fix it.
The rise of "manfluencers" like Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan reflects a new type of masculinity that both challenges and redefines what it means to be a man today. While these influencers often offer empathy and simple life advice, their viewpoints tend to escalate into misogyny, resulting in even more societal isolation for men down the road.
Emba’s advice is for men to evaluate what masculinity means to them - Is it strength? Support of a family? Leadership through conflict? She stresses these traits need not exist in opposition to the traits of women, and instead can complement them, leading to a more productive, cohesive, and ultimately happier society.
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About Christine Emba:
Christine Emba is an opinion columnist and Editorial Board member at the Washington Post, and also serves as a contributing editor for Comment magazine. She is the author of "Rethinking Sex: A Provocation." Before coming to The Post in 2015, Christine was the Hilton Kramer Fellow in Criticism at the New Criterion and a deputy editor at the Economist Intelligence Unit, focusing on technology and innovation. She grew up in Virginia and holds an A.B. in public and international affairs from Princeton University.

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@user-tm7ug5to7p
@user-tm7ug5to7p 2 ай бұрын
Here’s a few thoughts… (from a 63 year old man). Set aside gender. Practice being a good human. Let go of the need to dominate. Let go of the negative connotations of being a man. We are here for a short visit. Practice harm free living. Embrace love of life and all things living. Turn away from influencers, following any influencer/ guru too close will create a copy at best. Develop a practice of turning off the outside noise to hear what comes from within. Discover what sparks for you. Bring it to life and live passionately. Do not believe all of the nonsense that is being pushed at you from all directions. We all have the equal right to live in peace. It is up to each of us, (humans), to take responsibility for our actions and create a reality worth living.
@brittenyevans1101
@brittenyevans1101 2 ай бұрын
Wow, this is actually great advice 🥰
@cosalidra759
@cosalidra759 2 ай бұрын
Amen 🙌
@Nico-wc9gd
@Nico-wc9gd 2 ай бұрын
Best advice on here
@duran9664
@duran9664 2 ай бұрын
TLDR Too Long Can’t Read 😒
@redtiger8275
@redtiger8275 2 ай бұрын
Well said
@JasonMcMullen
@JasonMcMullen 2 ай бұрын
Something not mentioned here: the advent of social media and dating apps have not only changed the social dynamic between men and women but also changed the source of 'fulfillment' for men and women. Many men don't get fulfillment from these platforms and actually feel rejected by them, which has a significant impact on mental health
@boogie1434
@boogie1434 2 ай бұрын
Hell yeah, very good point
@JasonMcMullen
@JasonMcMullen 2 ай бұрын
@@boogie1434
@quinniebe9775
@quinniebe9775 Ай бұрын
trust me, women don’t feel fulfilled from dating apps either, they fear for their lives when trying to meet someone. Dating apps helps nobody, it’s just a way for you to spend money
@JasonMcMullen
@JasonMcMullen Ай бұрын
​@@quinniebe9775 Thank you for sharing your input. I'm talking about Social media and dating apps, both of which remove the personal aspect of interactions. Thus these things are unfulfilling in general, yet particularly they are unfulfilling for *different* reasons. Lets not assume that by stating an issue for Men that we are discounting the pernicious effect these platforms have on Women.
@sleepysteev2735
@sleepysteev2735 Ай бұрын
I felt that way once. Then I turned off my phone.
@flobba123
@flobba123 Ай бұрын
as a man this is what i want --> A Job. --> Friends.
@mysticone1798
@mysticone1798 Ай бұрын
You will have no problem finding contentment.
@N00bcrunch3r
@N00bcrunch3r Ай бұрын
Do you have those?
@Tocoolant
@Tocoolant Ай бұрын
as a boy this is what i want --> A Job. (to get money) --> Friends. (specially those that have a vagina)
@abstract5249
@abstract5249 Ай бұрын
I don't want a job. I just want to do whatever I want and live comfortably. Unfortunately, that requires money, and money requires a job.
@mysticone1798
@mysticone1798 Ай бұрын
@@abstract5249 Become a woman. Then a real man will take care of you.
@Carlos72797
@Carlos72797 2 ай бұрын
“Most men aren’t CEOs. Most men aren’t wealthy” Also: most men aren’t toxic, abusive, adulterers, nor living in their parents’ basement. But we hear a LOT about those men.
@robertd9850
@robertd9850 Ай бұрын
To be fair, we also hear a lot about sniveling women on Tik Tok who whine about the job they have, the guy they can't find, and pretty much everything else. Most women are not like that but I get your point.
@Johnarchiebald
@Johnarchiebald Ай бұрын
Actually a lot of Them Do live in their parents basement and that’s in no small Part bc society punishes them no matter what they do
@cobrakaiisback4709
@cobrakaiisback4709 27 күн бұрын
@@robertd9850 you unederestimate how many entitled women are on tiktok and even those not on tiktok.
@BLUELEADER78
@BLUELEADER78 21 күн бұрын
​@@robertd9850the difference being those women out themselves. Whereas the basement dwelling mama's boy is a very rare sighting.
@Birb916
@Birb916 20 күн бұрын
Agree to disagree
@Feralzen
@Feralzen 2 ай бұрын
The isolation and loneliness for men is real. Thank you for addressing these issues. We need to address these issues.
@AustinThinker79
@AustinThinker79 2 ай бұрын
As an isolated and lonely man, I appreciate the sentiment.
@andrewweaver2517
@andrewweaver2517 2 ай бұрын
Shut up and be stoic. Men don't cry. Go to the bar and drink with all the other men who aren't lonely
@TheOne1One1One1One
@TheOne1One1One1One 2 ай бұрын
She has some good points in the issue. But the main driver is social media and online dating. Women are on about 4 different apps so they don’t want to settle with too many options available
2 ай бұрын
Gender ratio is 50-50 so…
@options.trading.
@options.trading. 2 ай бұрын
I agree. Women just want MONEY. Not MEN. These days. IMO.
@Zero_Zero_Zero_Zero
@Zero_Zero_Zero_Zero 2 ай бұрын
Honestly it takes some bravery for creators to talk about this because of the backlash they'll no doubt receive. I can only respect her willingness to do it anyway. Gratitude for your care.
@user-co4xl7wx3q
@user-co4xl7wx3q 2 ай бұрын
Cancel culture is a disgusting aspect of the ever creeping pestilence known as cuIturaI marx¡sm
@jackaguirre8576
@jackaguirre8576 2 ай бұрын
The fact that there is a fear of backlash for talking about men's problems shows how bad the problem is regarding society's views of men. Men experience real problems and society needs to acknowledge this and face it.
@Zero_Zero_Zero_Zero
@Zero_Zero_Zero_Zero 2 ай бұрын
@@jackaguirre8576 completely agree.
@joseph2664
@joseph2664 2 ай бұрын
Did u miss the pat where she has a book to sell? Of course she wants to talk about it.
@Zero_Zero_Zero_Zero
@Zero_Zero_Zero_Zero 2 ай бұрын
@@joseph2664 shhh. We're trying to reward the behavior we want repeated my brother.
@antwanjones6048
@antwanjones6048 2 ай бұрын
It's better to not care too much about other's opinions on your masculinity and just focus on your own individual path to happiness. Write the book you want to read, make the music you want to hear, film the movie you want to see. Through those efforts you'll find your community and purpose. Develop a talent. Find a trade. Focus on fitness, finance and faith. The less noise you take in through media, KZfaq included, you'll clear your mind and find peace in yourself. Masculinity has been narrowly defined in recent times due to cultural shifts. It's our turn to make the rules and redefine masculinity on our own terms.
@j.davila4523
@j.davila4523 2 ай бұрын
Preach
@TL-rh1lf
@TL-rh1lf Ай бұрын
@@JulieAziza like the guy that goes to war and gets his face blown off, kids dying of cancer or the millions of homeless living on the streets getting spit on everyday... yeah a lot of path and purpose there.
@rolphmars5456
@rolphmars5456 Ай бұрын
Totally agreed. I have been told that I am not very masculine, but who are you to define my masculinity? I have embraced my emotional side and don't feel the need to dominate. I am an integrated man, a modern man if you will. I define my own masculinity. If you think I'm not manly, maybe you just have outdated gender roles in your mind. We should stop holding on to traditional gender roles and let everyone be themselves. Period.
@chibu3212
@chibu3212 Ай бұрын
Ehh, you do you follow your “truth” postmodernist masculinity isn’t that much of a solution. Many people don’t even know themselves and there should be some ground or definition to masculinity, even if it isn’t narrowly defined.
@j.davila4523
@j.davila4523 Ай бұрын
@@chibu3212 that’s the issue, masculinity is very broad but there should certainly be objective markers, like independence and ambition for example
@comedyfriendsenglish
@comedyfriendsenglish 2 ай бұрын
I'm not saying men aren't in crisis, but I will say a few more positive and optimistic things now. (I am a 23 year old man myself so trust me when I say that I understand a lot of the issues). The shift in society is difficult, a lot of things are changing, dating life is changing with social media and dating apps, work life is changing with feminism, just like expectations of us as men is. Emotional maturity is valued more and more among people and I feel like lockdown contributed even more to people being more aware of their inner life. Sensitivity, openness, empathy, social skills etc. are more important than ever and almost necessary to live a normal healthy life. And a lot of men weren't exactly taught a lot of these skills when they were younger, or at least not to the extent that women were taught these skills. But we men are just as capable of them. With a changing society, the future might seem uncertain and confusing when it comes to which role we are supposed to fulfill. But I am optimistic that with a changing society, many new spots where men are needed, will come up. In fact I experienced that I am far closer with my male friends due to the shift in society, more vulnerable, more emotional, more connected and even hugging became more normal for me with male friends and not just with female friends. Think of things like ballroom dancing or choir. These are two examples where we as men are desperately needed... and I am sure there is much much more. We are not replacable, we are just simply not needed the same way we were needed before. When it comes to dating, women also feel conflicted oftentimes, just the other way round. Many women don't know what to expect from men and have way too high expectations, i.e. they also don't know their role anymore. The statistics provided in the video can be read like that too. When really what I learned through dating shows me that women, just like men, are really just looking for someone to truly connect with and who cares about them and who they can laugh with, cuddle with and share time with etc. Most women, from my experience, don't want a super swole, stoic, cold hearted, 7 figure earning man. And the ones who want such a man are going to end up as unhappy as the men who think that that's what all women want. Go out, be social, be kind to others and be okay with looking goofy or stupid while trying to find your place! I personally must say I don't feel much of the issues anymore that men are supposed to experience these days... By withdrawing from society you only really punish yourself ultimately. You miss out on life, not the others. Take care you guys, society needs you!
@helens4037
@helens4037 Ай бұрын
"Emotional maturity is valued more and more among people ...... Sensitivity, openness, empathy, social skill, etc. are more important than ever and almost necessary to live a normal healthy life" I think you nailed it. I believe what you said is highly relevant both in employment and the dating scene.
@MrMalorian
@MrMalorian 2 ай бұрын
We are at a unique point in history where men are villainized for what their stereotype was, and yet are expected to uphold the stereotype. Don't be toxic and controlling (ok cool), but you're still responsible for the financial well being of the family. Be a leader, but don't lead. I'm sure the time will come soon when all the expectations are gone, and the family unit will function together without shame or blame, but we aren't there yet.
@kyliechristina234
@kyliechristina234 2 ай бұрын
Very well said.
@mas5398
@mas5398 2 ай бұрын
Responsibility without authority is slavery
@user-sm1jp4en9u
@user-sm1jp4en9u 2 ай бұрын
The thing is even in a traditional family structure the women had more value.
@user-fm5eh1fi5z
@user-fm5eh1fi5z 2 ай бұрын
''Don't be toxic and controlling (ok cool), but you're still responsible for the financial well being of the family'' what does being toxic and controlling have to do with providing?
@samthesomniator
@samthesomniator 2 ай бұрын
Usually you are already in a very financial privileged position if you can effort only one part being the provider. That is not the reality for most people. Having a partner, male or female however, to stay at home is a giant luxury. You need real wealth for that.
@Ashallmusica
@Ashallmusica 2 ай бұрын
As a 24 year old guy, the world is so f* up that it looks useless to think about having a family in future. I had to quit my studies just after 10th grade and work to support my family. But my younger sister is a graduate and now aiming for masters. Now where should i complain about my lost teenage life. I'm working a low paying job with lots of debts and still not owning my own house. Everything, just looks faded.
@TheOne1One1One1One
@TheOne1One1One1One 2 ай бұрын
She has some good points in the issue. But the main driver is social media and online dating. Women are on about 4 different apps so they don’t want to settle with too many options available
@shanesawyer5103
@shanesawyer5103 2 ай бұрын
@@TheOne1One1One1OneYou didn’t need to post that stupid comment like 50 times bro
@steven_king
@steven_king 2 ай бұрын
So then let me talk to you, young man...as a 39 year old man who is just now about to finish the last year of his degree. I remember (very clearly) being 24 years old. It felt like it was yesterday (literally). I remember thinking about how old I felt, and that I had experienced so much life...and that maybe even my best years were behind me. So every year, I’d put off...for another year, and another year...getting back to school, doing all the things I’ve only done over the past 5 years that have made my life inconceivably better. I can’t tell you, can’t even begin to tell you...all the wasted years. All the regret I have, working those dead end jobs. The depression. God, just awful. It only gets harder when you get older. You think it’s tough having no education at 24? It’s REALLY tough having no education at 30, and it’s even harder at 40. I had to get EXTREMELY creative in order to figure out a way to get myself into and through college. Not to mention...I failed out of 10th grade. I couldn’t do math, period. I was SO BAD at it, they asked how I got past 6th grade. So when I started in college, they had to start me in a really, really low math (and reading) class. But that built up my confidence. Now...I have a blast tutoring Calculus 3. It really is fun...when you have a good teacher (you can usually find them in college), and you learn from the beginning. I had to do some REALLY hard things in order to make this happen...but now that I finally got here...bro I can’t even begin to tell you the sense of pride and meaning I feel everyday. I have a 4.0 GPA and I’m applying for Harvard Business School on a full scholarship. When I was 24 I was working on an offshore oil rig out in the middle of the ocean. You can get here to. DO IT. I met an absolutely beautiful girl here (since there ARE so many more women than men in college...you kind of have your pick). I’ve been offered a job making 190K a year...straight out of school. It used to take me 5 years to earn that much money. All the hard work (the living out of my car, being homeless for a bit)...it was worth it 10x over. I know it sucks dude...and it’s hard. It’s got to be hard, it’s life...and it’s gonna be hard no matter what you do...but you get to choose your “hard”...I would highly, highly recommend choosing THIS hard...
@shanesawyer5103
@shanesawyer5103 2 ай бұрын
@@steven_king What did you major in?
@DrengrByHeart
@DrengrByHeart 2 ай бұрын
Hang in there, bud. That's the only advice I can give you 😓. I only hope the best for you, and hope you can find happiness and strength in your life ❤
@TOMB_Digital
@TOMB_Digital Ай бұрын
Awesome video. I hope people don't just click away the moment they see a woman talking about these issues. As a man, I understand the urge to listen only to people who look like me, that's a human instinct. But, I'm really glad I fought that instinct, and I applaud Christine for being an outspoken female on men's issues and men's health today. I think because of that very same human instinct, it is important for women to be part of this conversation in helping create a new 21st century identity for men. It's time to end the idea that one sex must put down the other in order to succeed. Thank you for this incredible video and for your excellent work Christine!
@IverBG97
@IverBG97 2 ай бұрын
"Safe areas for men... the industrial sector", you mean the workplaces workers fought hard to escape since they were incredibly dangerous and paid so little that their families could hardly get by? Yeah, such a shame they're gone.
@johnsmith-fk7fw
@johnsmith-fk7fw Ай бұрын
u expected anything logical to come from a womans mouth? lol
@natbrownizzle1387
@natbrownizzle1387 Ай бұрын
That was a funny part ^^, must've been very safe, to lose your damn arm ^^
@MohamedAhmed-ms9eu
@MohamedAhmed-ms9eu Ай бұрын
she literally says "safe areas for men to work, for example, industrial areas" WTF?! When a woman who wants to "help" men thinks coal mines and construction sites are "safe spaces" then she's doing more farm than good.
@cozettemostert
@cozettemostert Ай бұрын
Safe means job security here. Their jobs weren't at risk of being taken by women. So the jobs were guaranteed for men. That doesn't take into account the competition for the job among men themselves, but the point is they didn't have to compete with anyone other than other men for these jobs
@somerandomguyfromtheintern480
@somerandomguyfromtheintern480 27 күн бұрын
Sure ain't any women stepping up.
@johnlone141
@johnlone141 2 ай бұрын
The root of the problem is economics. Men and boys without agency is a ticking time bomb. In history, organised young men have been the most unstoppable force. We are already seeing a coalescing of interests, politics and resurgent masculine thinking. The current era has bought itself to its own end.
@iceescape
@iceescape 2 ай бұрын
This comment should have way more likes. The only comment that actually addresses the main issue.
@ncedwards1234
@ncedwards1234 Ай бұрын
Completely agreed. More people should see this.
@icespeaker81
@icespeaker81 Ай бұрын
Everyone is in denial of this, particularly women. Truth is, the violence and insanity of young men should not be underestimated. I'm really fearful for the future but no one will listen.
@Garfield1itall
@Garfield1itall Ай бұрын
​@@icespeaker81I've been saying this too for a while, people are ignoring the coming danger. Already right now, most fighting age men are single, childless and sexually frustrated, it's only a matter of time before these men go insane. Many of the young men are already starting to believe that the only way to restore marriage and family is to restore the patriarchy, that women's empowerment should never have happened. It really is a ticking timebomb.
@tn18977
@tn18977 Ай бұрын
In other words, men will take care of the problem.
@jkae91
@jkae91 2 ай бұрын
As soon as I come of age, it felt like my manhood was something I should feel ashamed about. I love being a man, but yet feel like I should somehow apologise for all of the wrongdoings of bad men from the past. Even the very topic of our struggles with mental illness and suicide are met with a kind of ambivalence and a general lack of empathy. And yet, we are still told we benefit from male privilege at every angle.
@sageofsixpaths98
@sageofsixpaths98 2 ай бұрын
You're not alone bro, a large section of men feels the same.
@JohnPretty1
@JohnPretty1 2 ай бұрын
Without their mothers there would be no "bad" men. Humans are flawed.
@Leonhart_93
@Leonhart_93 2 ай бұрын
Don't apologize or think about apologizing, for nothing more than existing. If you do, you fell for their BS.
@rikk319
@rikk319 Ай бұрын
This isn't a black and white issue. There are some messed up things men have done over the millennia, and there's some messed up things being said to men who had nothing to do with that stuff in the past. I know one thing for sure, as history shows--you can't go back to what used to be. Time goes in one direction, and so does culture and social order...whether that means a social system has to reorganize and go through tough times, well...that's been shown as something that happens in history, too.
@Leonhart_93
@Leonhart_93 Ай бұрын
​ @rikk319 No way, it's quite clear that humans are very primal and the more society advances in comfort, the more they revert to their primal nature. Recent events are proof of this. Men had to be strong and enforce strict societal norms for a reason. Now, the moment they didn't, they aren't expected anymore. And it's all their fault.
@PugilPixels
@PugilPixels 2 ай бұрын
True strength lies in emotional vulnerability - the ability to process feelings and ask for help. Modern leadership isn't about dominance but collaboration and empowering others. We need to redefine strength beyond physicality. It's about standing for what's right, admitting mistakes, and being emotionally present. It's time to celebrate the diverse ways men can be strong, caring leaders without a restrictive, outdated definition.
@PanzerRatten
@PanzerRatten 2 ай бұрын
When men ACTUALLY open up emotionally, they get publicly mocked by everyone, and women find them less attractive. Vulnerability for men is almost always perceived as weakness, and a weak man is effectively worthless. You may not think they are worthless, but our society absolutely does. And no amount of pretending and eloquent soapboxing will change that fact.
@painunending4610
@painunending4610 2 ай бұрын
Why do men have to leaders? Why is leadership seen as masculine? If men are leaders, what does that make women? Followers? Can women be leaders? Personally I think people should be their own leader and follower. I see no leaders I like nowadays, so many of them are hierarchical and just in it for the power
@painunending4610
@painunending4610 2 ай бұрын
​@@martamajer 'divine masculine and divine feminine' Should we look up our horoscopes and align or chakras while we're at it? This spiritual gibberish helps no one
@painunending4610
@painunending4610 2 ай бұрын
Why is leadership associated with masculinity? Are all men supposed to be leaders? I don't wanna be a leader, too much pressure and power for me If leadership is masculine what does that mean for femininity? Is it feminine to be a follower? Are women naturally followers That's the issue. This new definition is still very exclusionary
@Ramdapanda
@Ramdapanda 2 ай бұрын
@@painunending4610 I belive your asking the wrong questions. Why is masculine = man? Why is feminine = woman?
@kyliechen5263
@kyliechen5263 25 күн бұрын
I think many men prefer solitude than having to deal with the various kind of "noise" in the world. They have not disappeared. They are just by themselves.
@Wkumar07
@Wkumar07 6 күн бұрын
I'm one of those men. Being married has made me realize how much I valued my solitude.
@theweeklynewsexplosion5358
@theweeklynewsexplosion5358 Ай бұрын
As a guy, once I stepped out of the social media/online bubble and my screen time started to regularly be under 2 hours a day, I started to be much more optimistic about the real world. I don't think it's nearly as bad for us men as everyone wants us to think, so let's stop victimizing ourselves and start bettering our lives. Obviously there are definitely some challenges that need to be overcome, but it sure as hell felt a lot worse when I was spending too much time on social media.
@rosverlegaspo6752
@rosverlegaspo6752 Ай бұрын
Yeah! Turn a blind eye. I should not look at other people's suffering or I might feel bad. Out of sight out of mind. Everything is A-OK because I can't see it.
@HenriCobbs
@HenriCobbs Ай бұрын
you are right. people just dwell on social media all day taking in lies
@andycampbell8622
@andycampbell8622 Ай бұрын
That’s such a weak white man mentality. Running from the world and cutting out everything that triggers you will make you just more coddled and more scared 🤷 like an antisocial chihuahua
@robertsteffler9184
@robertsteffler9184 Ай бұрын
Thank you for pointing out the obvious. Social media algorithms have much more to do with this issue and men's perceptions of being victims in this changing world.
@neverlessification
@neverlessification Ай бұрын
This is worst than "stop being poor" meme...good for you!
@multivariateperspective5137
@multivariateperspective5137 2 ай бұрын
Not just men that had no male figure, but also had a distorted projection from their bad moms
@progamer-df3be
@progamer-df3be 2 ай бұрын
True. Many of them were raised by singel mothers and when people shame men for showing any sign of masculinity or what they call "toxic masculinity ", ofc they will listen to someone like andrew tate, bc thats the only place where at least some healthy and good masculine traits are being excepted and not shamed until you wanna end yourself.
@oxymoron500
@oxymoron500 2 ай бұрын
But why didn't they have a male figure? Why do fathers leave so often?
@marte1376
@marte1376 2 ай бұрын
LOL, you had the privilege to have a mom but put her down. Your father was the one being absent not your mother. Misogyny goes deep into this issues
@marte1376
@marte1376 2 ай бұрын
​@@progamer-df3be Andrew tate is garbage, not surprised men are getting hate. Ladies won't upfront with that nonsense anymore. Is not a shame to be a single mother , I a shame leaving your family, check your points
@CoronaryArteryDisease.
@CoronaryArteryDisease. 2 ай бұрын
@@marte1376 My friend, the commenter never said they had an abusive mother. They are just saying that there are men out there who have definitely had abusive mothers. That is by no means misogyny.
@sethberger8
@sethberger8 2 ай бұрын
Imagine being shown a list of truly amazing qualities that 80% of people, if they spent 10 years of thier lives working on could not obtain. And then being conditioned into believing your only value is in how many other people will profit from your blood, sweat, and tears.
@AmazePaulz
@AmazePaulz 2 ай бұрын
Here here. At the bottom of a stall at work, someone has written, in teensy tiny writing: "its all a lie". She doesn't get THAT bit. The slave solidarity of expendable labour
@3rkid
@3rkid 2 ай бұрын
Can you elaborate on what you mean here
@sethberger8
@sethberger8 2 ай бұрын
@@3rkid I can certainly try my best... Growing up young men are taught a great man is strong. An exceptional man is courageous. And an outstanding man is honest. The teacher will use the words great, exceptional, and outstanding because he understands the time, effort, and willpower it takes to truly embody a single one of these characteristics. And anyone can take a look around and see that the people who actually have these traits are few and far between. Then at some point Women saw a couple of these truly exceptional human beings and in stead of appreciating the hard work and sacrifices it took to gain these beautiful traits they decided that this is the new standard of what a man is. They say a man is strong as if someone can become strong without being beat down over and over and over again. They say a man is courageous as if finding something truly worth risking your life for is a simple task. They say a man is honest as if true honesty comes without years of hard work understanding yourself and the world around you. They have taken what we saw as a nobel and selfless gift and somehow turned it into a tax that we owe them.
@sethberger8
@sethberger8 2 ай бұрын
@@3rkid I can certainly try my best... Growing up young men are taught a great man is strong. An exceptional man is courageous. And an outstanding man is honest. The teacher will use the words great, exceptional, and outstanding because he understands the time, effort, and willpower it takes to truly embody a single one of these characteristics. And anyone can take a look around and see that the people who actually have these traits are few and far between. Then at some point Women saw a couple of these truly exceptional human beings and in stead of appreciating the hard work and sacrifices it took to gain these beautiful traits they decided that this is the new standard of what a man is. They say a man is strong as if someone can become strong without being beat down over and over and over again. They say a man is courageous as if finding something truly worth risking your life for is a simple task. They say a man is honest as if true honesty comes without years of hard work understanding yourself and the world around you. They have taken what we saw as a nobel and selfless gift and somehow turned it into a tax that we owe them.
@sethberger8
@sethberger8 2 ай бұрын
I can certainly try my best... Growing up young men are taught a great man is strong. An exceptional man is courageous. And an outstanding man is honest. The teacher will use the words great, exceptional, and outstanding because he understands the time, effort, and willpower it takes to truly embody a single one of these characteristics. And anyone can take a look around and see that the people who actually have these traits are few and far between. Then at some point Women saw a couple of these truly exceptional human beings and in stead of appreciating the hard work and sacrifices it took to gain these beautiful traits they decided that this is the new standard of what a man is. They say a man is strong as if someone can become strong without being beat down over and over and over again. They say a man is courageous as if finding something truly worth risking your life for is a simple task. They say a man is honest as if true honesty comes without years of hard work understanding yourself and the world around you. They have taken what we saw as a nobel and selfless gift and somehow turned it into a tax that we owe them.
@racecarrik
@racecarrik 2 ай бұрын
Top 10% of men have never had it easier to thrive. Bottom 90% have never had it harder. This applies economically and socially.
@TL-rh1lf
@TL-rh1lf Ай бұрын
So you'd like to trade places with a serf or peasant?
@arju6996
@arju6996 Ай бұрын
What are you talking about? The average male experience overall is much better than it has ever been in history. People aren't being sent to wars, dying of diseases, and suffering from poverty as much anymore.
@p5rsona
@p5rsona Ай бұрын
@@arju6996 true but most cant get decent jobs, let alone buy own home or find a partner. all top jobs going to women or diversity quotas, most women flocking to top 10% guys. but we all reap what we sow.
@bigjuicefolife
@bigjuicefolife Ай бұрын
@@arju6996 He's talking about today, not historically. Your point stands as correct but both statements can be true but you should not conflate the two.
@cuIon
@cuIon Ай бұрын
@@arju6996 Hopelessness comes with the new mechanical abuse over men, and workfoce in general to be specific. People haven't gone through too much with modernization in this century, but it also come with the harms of the absolute control
@strugglinghustler
@strugglinghustler 2 ай бұрын
Many men just "nope out" and leave it to the rest of you to deal with the consequences.
@arresthillary9502
@arresthillary9502 2 ай бұрын
a lot of men have wised up. the men a woman like this narrator sees, are the suckers who are still playing the conventional game and being used and exploited the "weirdos" that are alone are quite content and FREEEEEEEEE
@vivvpprof
@vivvpprof Ай бұрын
I have terrific amount of respect for them.
@pexpix
@pexpix 2 ай бұрын
I really like and appreciate this perspective in a world full of voices against men. I am a couples therapist and something my mentor used to tell us in feminism studies was that in order to fight for women's emancipations/rights we do not have to take away men's. That would not be equality. Thank you for this thought-provoking video.
@RocketPropelledWombat
@RocketPropelledWombat Ай бұрын
It is, it's kind of a revenge thing in a way. My sister's a feminist and for the last ten years or so she has ended up with guys who treat women like crap / feel they want some form of revenge on women, I said she's getting what she puts out there 😅 Now she doesn't speak to me but it was worth it.
@hckr_-gh7se
@hckr_-gh7se 12 күн бұрын
@@RocketPropelledWombat Yeah I'm glad OP found a "feminist" mentor that was actually just an egalitarian, because actual feminist theory revolves around the idea of a power struggle between men and women and is based in Marxism. If people would stop equating feminism, and therefore implicitly Marxism, with equality we'd all be better for it. Feminism is about vengeance on a group of people who did nothing wrong, to call it anything else is to out oneself as delusional.
@MildlyAutisticApe
@MildlyAutisticApe Ай бұрын
I’m pushing 30. I’ve never had a relationship and I’ve spent half my life seriously considering suicide every few months. And yet I have to watch women, who have access to sex, love and empathy just walking out the door tell me how privileged I am as a man. You try living 30 years without so much as a hug. Fuck this society.
@riffz6065
@riffz6065 2 ай бұрын
Lovely. What better way to learn about masculinity being attacked than to hear it from a woman. Like she would know. Not to mention, she makes it sound like it's our own fault.
@seaweedbrain2933
@seaweedbrain2933 Ай бұрын
Exactly
@ryanlee6291
@ryanlee6291 25 күн бұрын
I think it's good hearing it from a woman because women should recognize it? All the past videos I've seen on it have been men.
@riffz6065
@riffz6065 25 күн бұрын
@@ryanlee6291 Ok so would it be ideal for me to make a video regarding pregnancy? Men recognize it after all.
@ryanlee6291
@ryanlee6291 24 күн бұрын
​@@riffz6065 pregnancy is a crazy thing with wild side effects that are often not discussed so yea actually I think it would be good to learn about. I get your point though, as a man you cannot fathom the process of giving birth. I still don't mind some acknowledgment from women regarding the subject because it's a problem for everyone, not just men. We're all in this together, after all.
@Buff_Cupcake
@Buff_Cupcake 2 ай бұрын
42 year old male here and I'm probably the most isolated i've ever felt. I am really grateful that things are slowly changing for the better in society. But I really feel like i have no importance in the future state and no ability to contribute in a meaningful way. I used to feel okay about myself. I tend to cross the street if I see a woman because I don't want to make her feel unsafe by passing by her by. I rarely make eye contact with women in situations in public where I need to interact directly - e.g buying something from a store / a coffee etc. If i do talk to a woman in conversation, i'm incredibly concious about my physical size, so I try to hunch or find a way to make myself smaller because i'm worried i'll make her feel unsafe. I feel incredibly uncomfortable and self conscious about my gender and my associated identity. I work in a wonderfully diverse company, but one which consistently overlooks straight white males for promotion and career growth to an extreme. I'm a new minority. But rather than a minority that might have initiative and effort to support it, I'm being slowly and systematically erased. Seeing all of the prejudice and sexism my mum experienced first hand and the racism my best friends experienced as I grew up and the frustration and sadness they experienced. I made a point for my adult life to advocate for an equal environment to live in, to support and be as much of an ally as I'm able to. But I'm kinda.....nothing now. My gender identity has slowly been leeched out to a point where I feel like a husk with no idea of who I am supposed to be now.
@whynot13
@whynot13 2 ай бұрын
You are invalued. Although it might be hard for you to see it, I see it.
@whynot13
@whynot13 2 ай бұрын
I don't quite have the words to describe how your post made me feel but I am proud of you, grateful to have read it, there is an incandescence to the feeling. Just know there is a stranger out there that sends you love when you feel that way
@benhudson4014
@benhudson4014 2 ай бұрын
Hello friend thanks for your sharing your honest experience
@coolbreeze5683
@coolbreeze5683 2 ай бұрын
I appreciate reading about your experience. Eventhough I'm a brown woman who grew up in the 80s and 90s, I can relate to what you're saying. Things have gotten better for me over time but back then, I had to learn to make myself small. I'd cross the street when I'd see white folks walking on my side of the sidewalk. There were occasions when they would clutch their purses and give angry looks, thinking I would steal from them. When I'd go shopping, I had to be hyper aware as to where I'd put my hands, where I would look, how I'm dressed, etc. since I have been accused of shoplifting. A retail worker even one time said "sorry, I thought you were Native Indian", as she wrongfully accused me of shoplifting. It wasn't just my imagination since overt racism (slurs, blatant exclusion) was in the open back then. I've tried to make myself smaller and invisible since it's either that or standing out and being criticized/insulted/ accused of something. Eventhough I've gone through that stuff in the past, I do not wish exclusion or bad feelings upon anyone. People's ancestors might have done some horrible things but we shouldn't punish those who are around today for things they had no part of in the past. Please don't think of yourself as a "husk". It's just a matter of discovering who you are now. It took years of adjustment for me to realize that I can now have more of a voice and to get over my fear of being seen. I think it's better to figure out how we want to be as humans and for ourselves instead of seeing things as gender, race, religion, etc. and trying to fit into boxes to appease others. We constantly reinvent ourselves throughout our life and this is just another opportunity for reinvention.
@superbherb7947
@superbherb7947 2 ай бұрын
I am transcribing a poem I read on Amanda Seales’s instagram today. I don’t know the author, but apparently it’s from a book (or a section?) called “while you are healing”: you can fold yourself up into halves, quarters, or more. and still, you won't be small enough for the ones who feel entitled to your space. so fuck it. /unfold./
@VeReePW
@VeReePW 2 ай бұрын
There is a thin line between male protection and domination, the same between female care and control. It is essential to be aware of this line and be mindful of communication of personal boundaries. Maybe this way, the couples don’t fall into the trap of games and fighting. The balance is a key I think 🔐
@HAPPLIP
@HAPPLIP 2 ай бұрын
Totally agree on this. The key is clear and honest communication because people truly believe their interpretations of '' how '' something is said vs the literal '' what '' is being said is the absolute truth. It's odd how scenarios in our heads supercede what is present in reality right in front of us. I can admit to doing this time to time.
@painunending4610
@painunending4610 2 ай бұрын
Personally I want a woman who can protect herself and doesn't need me to do it for her
@MohamedAhmed-ms9eu
@MohamedAhmed-ms9eu Ай бұрын
@@painunending4610 That's LITERALLY impossible. You can expect women to protect themselves from other women instead of you the man having to beat up another woman for her putting you in danger legally speaking but you have to protect YOUR woman from other men. It's like a woman expecting you to give birth or breast feed.
@meghamalashinde4504
@meghamalashinde4504 Ай бұрын
Yes, this comment!
@user-cz5lj2vx1f
@user-cz5lj2vx1f 26 күн бұрын
What a sharp observation!
@ewhoyer
@ewhoyer 2 ай бұрын
It is sometimes hard to discuss concerns about the education gap that has grown between men and women (acceptance rates, attendance and dropout rates) without sounding like a conspiracy throwing incel. Good to have collaborators that can help in the discussion.
@christopheryang5899
@christopheryang5899 2 ай бұрын
Chris Rock said it best. Only women and children are unconditionally loved. Men have to earn their love. An average man will always have a harder time than an average woman in finding love and that includes self love. What we are seeing is the averages play out how men and women are not equal in how they are valued. Women beat out men every time. Only exceptional men stand out because by definition they are above average. And by definition average men are the majority of men.
@undeadpark6980
@undeadpark6980 2 ай бұрын
man, that quote ain't even true for children lol
@Princessbubblegum567
@Princessbubblegum567 2 ай бұрын
Lmao women loved unconditionally? I think that applies only to beautiful women. Have you seen how ugly women are treated? They're treated just as bad as men if not, worse.
@rikk319
@rikk319 Ай бұрын
@@undeadpark6980 Yeah, it's a very generalized trope, and not true all the time, so it doesn't fit everyone. It's trying to simplify something that isn't simple. There's a segment of men who crave being told what to do by what they imagine is a "strong" man, and it's a way of infantilizing themselves, still needing a father figure to tell them right from wrong. It makes them fall right into the hands of authoritarians, who tend to be narcissists who promise such men they will give them the respect or power or belonging they crave. It's not a new experience. Any strongman, dictator, gang leader, etc., counts on such men to give them the muscle to get what they want--and it's always about the leader, not the group. After all, group stuff is "communist", isn't it?
@homosexualpanic
@homosexualpanic Ай бұрын
What nonsense!
@MohamedAhmed-ms9eu
@MohamedAhmed-ms9eu Ай бұрын
@@undeadpark6980 it's true for female children. Boys are expected to turn into a men so people can justify ignoring boys pain and suffering because he needs to "man up" or it will make a "man out of him".
@justjakereviews101
@justjakereviews101 2 ай бұрын
Well, let’s think about it. For decades, regardless of what side of the political spectrum you stand, men have been told from nearly every direction that they are the problem. Men have been told that they don’t deserve their status or their position and are constantly bombarded with negativity. Eventually, this will have a impact. There has been a psychological warfare conducted on men for quite some time now and young men specifically suffer the most from that. If you are conservative, this leads men feeling isolated and views the world as their enemy. If you are liberal, this leads men to hate themselves and feel, again, isolated.
@---Dana----
@---Dana---- 2 ай бұрын
Sorry not sorry but men are the problem and always have been the problem. Much of it is biological but a significant portion is male culture, what you tell yourselves and each other. Men have to deal with reality before they can change it. That doesn't mean that you or my wonderful husband are part of the problem individually but even my husband says men are the problem. He says why do you lock your doors? Men.
@vigilance6806
@vigilance6806 2 ай бұрын
Don’t forget society is also telling women they are goddesses who deserve 6’ 6figure 6pack abs and nothing less. Men are conditioned to suffer, women to be exalted. It’s going to hit the later much harder down the road.
@wnose
@wnose 2 ай бұрын
This is the future. Men have been too priveleged for too long. Finally women can be safe.
@user-sm1jp4en9u
@user-sm1jp4en9u 2 ай бұрын
Makes sense... especially the liberal part. I think some men are just liberal out of guilt.
@MrMadalien
@MrMadalien 2 ай бұрын
Yeah and let's not forget that just because women are doing great professionally, financially, confidence wise etc. they are also isolated (at least, more than before) because they don't have the environment to have a proper family or a proper relationship. Both genders are failing each other.
@ForAnAngel
@ForAnAngel 2 ай бұрын
There is nothing more powerful than empathy. The sad thing is that if a man were to make these arguments he would immediately be dismissed.
@haybale392
@haybale392 2 ай бұрын
You're right, there's nothing more powerful than empathy. I think we need empathy from and for both sides as we think about this topic. We need to understand the struggles men are going through and the valid emotions they are feeling and social change they are experiencing. I also think in that same thought we need to empathize and acknowledge with WHY men are dismissed when they talk about their struggles and remember the whole picture. I myself am a woman, and was going down the bitter road, until I read Bell Hook's The Will to Change which gave me so much empathy for men and what they are going through without taking away from what women have gone through and continue to go through.
@ForAnAngel
@ForAnAngel 2 ай бұрын
@@haybale392 Why do you think men are dismissed when they talk about their struggles?
@dylanwarnecke1613
@dylanwarnecke1613 2 ай бұрын
@@ForAnAngel How many times have women bashed "mens rights activists"?
@haybale392
@haybale392 2 ай бұрын
@@ForAnAngel It's difficult to hear the woes of the group that has dominated the other for centuries. It's hard to empathize with the group that have been and still are the oppressors and have had and still have so much privilege. Imagine there are two siblings, one had their college paid for, a large allowance, and great mentors that help them succeed. The other wasn't allowed to go to college, they weren't given an allowance or mentorship. Now, that first sibling is talking about how difficult their life is because someone took away their allowance, but they still have the free education and mentorship. How would you expect the second sibling to respond to their hardship? Would you expect them to only have empathy and support that first sibling? I'm not saying we shouldn't have empathy for men, I'm just saying it's sometimes hard to and I hope men can understand why.
@ForAnAngel
@ForAnAngel 2 ай бұрын
@@haybale392 I hope you can understand that the men struggling today haven't "dominated" or been "oppressors" for "centuries". You can't treat a 20 year old as if they were around in the 1800's. Your question actually reminded me a lot of my own life. I'm actually a man with a twin sister. When we graduated from high school my parents couldn't afford to send both of us to college at the same time. So she went away to college and I got a job. I gave most of my money to my parents which they then sent to her since she was too busy with school and having a social life to also get a job. After she graduated I saved up money to start going to college but after just one semester, my mother got sick (ALS) and so I had to drop out of college to earn money. When she got real sick my father had quit working to take care of her full time and she couldn't work either obviously because she was dying. So there I was working 80 hours a week making minimum wage trying to support myself and both my parents. I did this from age 19 to 21 until she died. Where was my sister? Off living her life, she wouldn't even come visit let alone help out. So please don't tell me that because men had been in charge for centuries before I was born that means that I didn't deserve any help. You have no idea how hard some men have it. I lived my whole life and didn't even realize I was autistic until I was almost 40. You say you have sympathy for men but then you blame men alive today for everything men did for the last few centuries.
@wi11ialvl
@wi11ialvl 2 ай бұрын
People, not just men, need good friends and family. Community that you can be physically there for, much more than something you get online. I believe this is what can fix a lot of people's problems/issues.
@Garfield1itall
@Garfield1itall Ай бұрын
In my country, New Zealand, the marriage rate last peaked in 1971, by 2020 the marriage rate had fallen by over 80%, while the divorce rate rose in that time from about 15% to over 40%. Most of the fighting age men are single, childless, sexually frustrated and worse, they have almost no hope of ever having a family of their own. Yeah, our current way of life is doomed.
@egg4489
@egg4489 Ай бұрын
The side effect of feminazism
@TyranyFighterPatriot
@TyranyFighterPatriot 27 күн бұрын
What would be best place for young isolated man in society to survive in New Zealand.
@11mrOZ
@11mrOZ 12 күн бұрын
@@TyranyFighterPatriot Best place to survive is wherever your feet are standing. No matter where you are there is a balance of good and bad. Choose where you want to stand and live with it.
@kurainimusic
@kurainimusic 2 ай бұрын
I dont wanna participate in a society who dont value men, you guys can have it, Ill do my own thing in my room.
@catatonicbug7522
@catatonicbug7522 2 ай бұрын
Society does value men, as long as they are valuable. Those who choose to contribute to the world around them, doing what necessary to remain capable of contributing, are valued greatly. Those who choose to only take from the world and expect things to be provided are not valued. Find the method of giving that gives you the greatest joy and make that your life's work.
@kurainimusic
@kurainimusic 2 ай бұрын
@@catatonicbug7522 i agree, that's fair point, those who dont want to work shouldnt eat, and I dont encourage men to fall into victim mentality, but the analogy of what society is doing is like they making you work in exchange of a fake food, or they are making you work in exchange for an apple at the top of the mountain.. You get what im sayin? It's rigged bro.. Ive experience it, I was once a hard worker and optimistic. Now I let the women run the world, I dont even care anymore lol
@JinKee
@JinKee 2 ай бұрын
@@catatonicbug7522buy bitcoin or gold and wait five years and you will have a greater return on investment than you can ever get with any other use of your money or time. That’s how much society values us- a pet rock with 0% yield and provable scarcity will be rewarded more than any of us will ever be. How do I know? It’s what I did, and it set me up for life. And it kills me to know that I could have even done similar returns by sitting on unopened pokemon cards. These things are all worthless, but our contributions are regarded even less.
@sneakykidugo
@sneakykidugo 2 ай бұрын
​@@catatonicbug7522 that's the problem, men are the only ones in society who need to bring value to the table first
@catatonicbug7522
@catatonicbug7522 2 ай бұрын
@sneakykidugo How do you figure? We all have to bring something to the table to be valued by society. Different people value different things, so we attract the portion of society who values what we have to offer. That is one reason why more women than men are graduating from universities these days. Women in general are choosing to offer academic skills more and more, to attract the portion of society that values those skills.
@alfwok
@alfwok 2 ай бұрын
What I don't understand is if the male to female ratio is about 1 to 1 how are 34% of women single and 63% of men single? I would think that for every single man there would be a single woman. Are multiple women dating the same man or are there many more gay women? What's going on there?
@samthesomniator
@samthesomniator 2 ай бұрын
Asked myself the same. 😂 Indeed there are studies that over 80% of women are indeed bisexual. But you would see lesbian couples all over the place. Not true. Also there are not that much women into polyamory to get to that results.
@davide7708
@davide7708 2 ай бұрын
Because women 18-29 date oolder guys compared to them, while men don't have the same chance. And because a little group of few men, the ones perceived as attractive, go with many women.
@andreyb4142
@andreyb4142 2 ай бұрын
Of course wealthy men dating several women. Are you in Kansas or what?
@samthesomniator
@samthesomniator 2 ай бұрын
@@andreyb4142 you think a few dudes partner multiple chicks in a harem like situation? 😃 This is not the ottoman empire. Are you from Utah? 😂
@wideningcarrot6
@wideningcarrot6 2 ай бұрын
Multiple women are dating the same man. It’s very normal now.
@Pulpoloso
@Pulpoloso 13 күн бұрын
This understanding of men is largely predicated on urbanization. Once the wealth of this country runs out, the shifts what’s really important will prove disappointing with the progress we’ve made for equality between the sexes. Developing nations are just beginning what we have been through these last few decades and will struggle similarly as we are today.
@TyranyFighterPatriot
@TyranyFighterPatriot 27 күн бұрын
Mgtow are not neets. We enjoy having checked out and have good careers and lives. I myself am a manager in one of the largest small arms manufacturers. We are earning for ourselves and leave women to do the same.
@hckr_-gh7se
@hckr_-gh7se 12 күн бұрын
Exactly; this video was another let down by someone who refuses to change her flawed (feminist) premises. Every feminist who attempts to explain or understand why everyone is miserable invariably seems to follow the formula of "Women are doing better than men!!! Men are not capable of adapting!!!" as if empowering women implicitly dis-empowers men (power struggle and politics between the sexes), which is a typical feminist take. Annoying. MGTOW is the adaptation, and women seethe over it.
@michaelcarter5049
@michaelcarter5049 2 ай бұрын
Yes, there are many many single men of all ages living alone these days. I live in a rural community where there are scores of such men living in little corners where rent is cheap or zero. They appear to be fundamentally content. But, what of their female counterparts? They are alone too in the towns and cities. My only exposure to them is in supermarkets where the blunt end of our changed society is revealed. I see a new expression of femininity - frumpy looking women within the age group 30 to 50. Rings in their nose and tattoos that they will one day hate and are obviously childless. They look confused and so they should be. They got their liberation, to what? This? Who to blame? Happiness and contentment come from within. We are what we feel, which changes like the weather. “Take Courage and be a Man” was the moto of my secondary school. I constantly remind myself of this. It starts by not blaming others for this very difficult life. Every one of us is good at something. Follow that path. No, I am not being sanctimonious. I learnt 3 days ago that my wife has been having affairs. I am writing to remind myself of what really matters, and to heal. I am now one of those single men, and not ashamed of it. This masculine strait is a treasure guys. Be strong. You know what kind of father your children would want. Be that.
@Takwygladapilaw
@Takwygladapilaw 2 ай бұрын
Take care there buddy. Sad to hear it.
@arresthillary9502
@arresthillary9502 2 ай бұрын
you are the sucker that she trapped to pay for raising her children. men are sexual predators. women are financial predators. that is natural law(reality). For me I choose not to be a meal ticket to someone else.
@jamesphan8306
@jamesphan8306 2 ай бұрын
yea thinking like that is how your wife cheated on you with Chad
@sandman.38
@sandman.38 Ай бұрын
@@jamesphan8306 dumbass
@TheRealAdamSampson
@TheRealAdamSampson Күн бұрын
@@jamesphan8306 thinking like what? be specific
@bcarlizzle
@bcarlizzle 2 ай бұрын
It's a little wack to mention title 9 without talking about the lack of push to support men. Female graduation has been higher for a while without a proper reaction. I grew up with women-only career support opportunities. There were none for men. They focused on gender over people.
@j.chanslor8221
@j.chanslor8221 2 ай бұрын
Already married, already had kids. Aside from providing income to them through the workforce, I am no longer useful to society as a man, only a consumer.
@authorified89
@authorified89 2 ай бұрын
If you have a job thats somewhat useful to society, you can still feel useful. Otherwise find something useful to do if thats important to you. As I man your main job to society isn't providing seed anymore, humans are very very far from going extinct.
@Ramdapanda
@Ramdapanda 2 ай бұрын
How come it is that you see getting married and having kids are the only way you can contribute to society? Do you really belive that's true?
@adamwilliams9307
@adamwilliams9307 2 ай бұрын
Now it's time to get involved in your community. You are not just a consumer unless that's what you want to be. But there is plenty of opportunity to be useful in your community, just find your niche and decide to what extent you want to get involved.
@madwrld973
@madwrld973 2 ай бұрын
And how exactly do you think your wife can now contribute to society in a way that matters more?? If a "man's job" ist to work and to consume, and to provide for his family, doesn't that mean that the woman has one less thing to offer? Because she would not have to "provide". This makes no sense and just makes you sound very unsympathetic towards women who, derived from your statement, have even less "use" once they reproduced and got married.
@Etzelsschizo
@Etzelsschizo 2 ай бұрын
Or you know, he talked from his perspective and didn't consider the women's one because that's not the topic of this thread?
@mwesb1994
@mwesb1994 2 ай бұрын
You identify what is happening but failed horribly on the reasons why.
@bradavon
@bradavon 8 күн бұрын
Watch it again.
@kevinmcgrane4279
@kevinmcgrane4279 2 ай бұрын
I think of my father’s generation regarding masculinity. My father was of the WW2 generation, and they all had a sense of industry, modesty, and humility about themselves. They lived quietly, responsibly, and cared for their family and friends. After seeing so much trauma and heartbreak through the Depression and then WW2, they looked for peace and simpler pleasures. They were not full of themselves. We’re they perfect? Nope. But they were good, and they enemy of the good is the perfect. I often think that if men today remembered them, we’d be okay.
@cainomac
@cainomac 2 ай бұрын
I’ve listened to a lot of Jordan Peterson and have never heard him say that the world has done anyone wrong. His focus is on personal responsibility, not blaming external influences for one’s problems.
@jimtripathi
@jimtripathi Ай бұрын
Exactly
@tommymarshall69
@tommymarshall69 Ай бұрын
I was going to say this too. When she lumped Peterson, Rogan, and Tate together I was like “ok all three of them discuss men’s stuff and/or appeal to men, but what they are actually saying is very different”. I certainly don’t agree with everything Jordan has ever said (which is true for pretty much anyone!), but I think there’s an enormous amount he’s said which was true, valuable, original, and highly compelling. It is puzzling me how even the most thoughtful and sympathetic women (like the thinker in this video) often don’t appreciate that.
@ricardobrandao12
@ricardobrandao12 Ай бұрын
@@tommymarshall69 💯
@MohamedAhmed-ms9eu
@MohamedAhmed-ms9eu 15 күн бұрын
"His focus is on personal responsibility, not blaming external influences for one’s problems" But feminism is only about women blaming external influences for their own problems and not taking responsibility for their actions. Try asking woman who said her BF/husband hit her if she hit them first or if she was emotionally/psycologically abusivg him and they will call you victim blamer lol
@robocombo
@robocombo 2 ай бұрын
We just need to operate a meritocratic society instead of stacking the deck to place men at the bottom of the pack of cards and selecting everyone else from the top. Simple fairness to all regardless of sex, gender, race, disability or religion.
@BlueHeart29
@BlueHeart29 2 ай бұрын
can you imagine the scandal if a guy did the same thing talking about women?
@BigGahmBoss
@BigGahmBoss 2 ай бұрын
There's a very good reason for this and we all need to accept it. Blame society
@alejandrogarci2635
@alejandrogarci2635 2 ай бұрын
Absolutely right. They now won the right to bullshit about men.
@BlueHeart29
@BlueHeart29 2 ай бұрын
@@BigGahmBoss actually you really need to eat, drink and sleep, the rest of the needs not so much. So we don't actually NEED to accept anything.
@BigGahmBoss
@BigGahmBoss 2 ай бұрын
@BlueHeart29 naw you're wrong. Because on top of the obvious things you listed, we do need to coexist. Straight up. That's what society is
@danyramos8139
@danyramos8139 Ай бұрын
Actually, they do and have done it all history in more denigrating ways. open a book
@HealthyThinkingsubstack
@HealthyThinkingsubstack Ай бұрын
Well, that would really suck if the community of men had become so weak that they need to have their story told them by a woman. She didn’t say anything that we haven’t already been saying for the past 25 years in the men’s community.
@AnrchyK1ng
@AnrchyK1ng Ай бұрын
One of the things that I haven't seen anyone really bring up is that traditional femininity has been demonised as much as masculinity in men. Its not that masculinity isnt being celebrated it is...but only when females display those traits. The identity crisis men feel is that we can't be praised publicly for acting in line within our instinctual nature which in a really fucked up way, feels like our identity was taken from us and now the world has stacked the deck so high in favour of women that theres fuck all point in trying to keep up and compete for most blokes. I'd argue that over 90% of men are pissed off with the system, with being silenced anytime one of us pipes up and then have our point deflected back to us and labelled misogynist. And thats why MGTOW has blown up. Why contribute to a society that doesnt appreciate you? Why trade your life for humanity when all you get is disrespect or are ignored? Its never been Men vs Women. Men LOVE women. Its Men vs The System and they de-fang us by chemical, societal and nutritional castration. And i feel sorry for the women who have been used and manipulated to be the weapon of this war
@helikestv
@helikestv Ай бұрын
excellent take
@RocketPropelledWombat
@RocketPropelledWombat Ай бұрын
Bravo.
@drradon
@drradon 2 ай бұрын
Anti male extremism leads to male extremism. Potentially decrease sexism equally for better results. Now go one to dismiss this and call me sexist to keep the cycle alive.
@nataliaalfonso2662
@nataliaalfonso2662 2 ай бұрын
Okay. So would you say anti-female extremism leads or female extremism? Bc women weren’t even considered people deserving of human rights until really recently. And still aren’t many places. And even in the places where they are on paper, they don’t experience that day to day. So…….. men can violate and subjugate women super mega extremely for decades…. And never change when anyone asks for rights. And only extremism even granted women basic human rights…. And now men are MORE EXTREME? I don’t see men as more extreme the more extreme anti-maleness gets. They were absolute dictators when the world was entirely pro-male. This video even shows how the more extreme anti-maleness is, the softer and more pathetic men get. Bc abuse works. That’s why extreme anti-femaleness worked for literal millennia.
@stephensharper4312
@stephensharper4312 2 ай бұрын
Amen brother
@minimcune
@minimcune 2 ай бұрын
What this take is missing is that even in the face of anti-male extremism, males still have a choice in how they behave. The world is not happening at you, or to you, it is happening inside your mind. And that, friends, is completely up to you.
@mobilemarshall
@mobilemarshall 2 ай бұрын
@@minimcune :|
@bunniewood
@bunniewood 2 ай бұрын
This comment should be at the top.
@datturtleboiii6102
@datturtleboiii6102 2 ай бұрын
I went into this, very eager to hear what she had to say, but then she made it sound like it was mens own fault and completely lost me.
@onehalfspin
@onehalfspin 2 ай бұрын
I've yet to see a single article or video of a supposed "male ally" woman where they didn't end up COMPLETELY missing the point by the end. It always comes back around to "we need to help men be better, because then they can help women/society." But when it's non-men, they deserve help because they're human beings. Men? We need to help them because we need them to do things for us. No matter how "well-intentioned" they seem, none of these women ever get it right. Even when we keep telling them over and over what our problems are. It's like their brains are simply incapable of seeing men, individually or collectively, as human beings.
@arresthillary9502
@arresthillary9502 2 ай бұрын
because she is ignorant
@nightmareTomek
@nightmareTomek 2 ай бұрын
I contemplated to downvote the vid. The message is positive, but also kinda empty.
@wingpaper
@wingpaper Ай бұрын
its hard to listen to reason
@bogie016
@bogie016 Ай бұрын
Very soft and patronizing as usual
@marlonmoncrieffe0728
@marlonmoncrieffe0728 2 күн бұрын
Yeah, a guest on 'Maiden Mother Matriarch' said that we have technologically advanced enough not to starve or freeze outside but not to create status for men. And women are attracted to men with status.
@HerbertLandei
@HerbertLandei Ай бұрын
I'm 50 years old, never had a longer relationship, and while I have identified the personal issues holding me back, I often ask myself: Is it really worth the struggle? What if I got finally through my emotional mess and childhood trauma, crawl out of my hole, only to find myself still unwanted, unseen, unlovable? What if my vulnerability and wish for intimacy is abused, and I end up in an even deeper hole than I am in now? What if I overcome my trust issues, just to get my trust shattered by the first person I open up to? As more I think about it, as cozier my current little hole appears. This world isn't made for me, I hate its rules, its stupid games and its ideals.
@TheEyeball37
@TheEyeball37 Ай бұрын
Nothing ventured, nothing gained.
@interoffice5402
@interoffice5402 Ай бұрын
You are worthy just by being you. You have innate value. I see you.
@brianmeen2158
@brianmeen2158 Ай бұрын
If you sit back and hyper focus on the bad things that might happen if you do this or that then you will be one very unhappy person.. get out there and start doings things
@Clowns-jd3fl
@Clowns-jd3fl 29 күн бұрын
I love you man
@valco7981
@valco7981 2 ай бұрын
There's a huuuge gap between Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate. They're nothing alike. I like your reasoning but nothing I hadn't heard from Jordan Peterson, Jonathan Heidt or Camille Paglia. They dig much deeper into this issue.
@heha2684
@heha2684 2 ай бұрын
A biiiiiiiiiiig gap.
@user-sm1jp4en9u
@user-sm1jp4en9u 2 ай бұрын
Yeah...lol.. I used to listen to jp but now I don't but yeah he is wayyyyy different than Andrew Tate
@TheOne1One1One1One
@TheOne1One1One1One 2 ай бұрын
She has some good points in the issue. But the main driver is social media and online dating. Women are on about 4 different apps so they don’t want to settle with too many options available
@josemadrid2913
@josemadrid2913 2 ай бұрын
I don’t think she was saying that they were all the same. She just gave them all as examples
@themasstermwahahahah
@themasstermwahahahah 2 ай бұрын
Yeah, seeing Jessie James West and Liverking as both "fitness gurus" was kind of startling
@evadobreva5788
@evadobreva5788 2 ай бұрын
I absolutely agree that this topic should be discussed although I wish that the masculine is no longer defined in comparison to the femininity but on its own. Finding the meaning of one’s life and identity is responsibility of every human being, weather man, woman or else…
@Earl_E_Burd
@Earl_E_Burd 2 ай бұрын
Why single out forecasters?
@samthesomniator
@samthesomniator 2 ай бұрын
And what attributes should that be that define masculinity on its own? 🤔
@av-sp1wo
@av-sp1wo 2 ай бұрын
Masculinity and femininity are intertwined though. You cannot have one without the other or the person becomes "toxic" aka unbalanced. A leader has both of those traits in him/her, the masculine and the feminine. Has nothing to do with gender. Thinking and feeling are intertwined as well, you cannot have one without the other.
@TheOne1One1One1One
@TheOne1One1One1One 2 ай бұрын
She has some good points in the issue. But the main driver is social media and online dating. Women are on about 4 different apps so they don’t want to settle with too many options available
@coolbreeze5683
@coolbreeze5683 2 ай бұрын
I agree. The same goes for femininity being defined on it's own without the comparison. We'll probably find that both men and women have a lot of overlap in what we all desire as humans and that being human in general is a spectrum. What most of us have in common is the basics of wanting the right to earn a living, to take care of ourselves and our families, to contribute to society, etc. No one should be shamed for showing emotions, empathy and compassion. The same way no one should seek to purposely do harm to others. It all sounds simple until ego is brought into the conversation, which is where many problems stem from. Maybe we as humans should focus on questioning and examining ego on our way to discovering a fulfilling life.
@DanielBlak
@DanielBlak Ай бұрын
Honestly, a woman can never understand what modern men are going through. We need to be part of a community, help and lead, mentor and be mentored - and above all be able to dedicate themselves to a purpose greater than themselves. There should be mandatory programs for some kind of national service after graduation - working in trades, military, tech, all for the good of the community.
@mark49419
@mark49419 2 ай бұрын
if a man were to come up with a more positive vision for femininity all hell would break loose
@tritisan
@tritisan 2 ай бұрын
This.
@septanine5936
@septanine5936 2 ай бұрын
I think that's because historically men have dictated what femininity is allowed to be, but for the most part women haven't had much of a say on what masculinity should be
@mark49419
@mark49419 2 ай бұрын
@@septanine5936 so it's shameful that men historically influenced femininity, but good when women presently try to influence masculinity?
@AB-ce3nn
@AB-ce3nn 2 ай бұрын
@@septanine5936 this. 💯
@mcd4370
@mcd4370 2 ай бұрын
@@septanine5936 thank you, nuance and context, something that isn’t much of in the comments
@Durantis
@Durantis 2 ай бұрын
It's absolutely crazy to me that more nuanced takes like these are as scarce as they are.
@themasstermwahahahah
@themasstermwahahahah 2 ай бұрын
​@@TheOne1One1One1OneWhile dating apps are a contributing factor, I sincerely expect that societal factors such as the increasing economic power of women are likely more in play. One could argue women are more picky in a dating app from an evolutionary perspective, but before working for themselves that basically were forced to marry someone that made money to support a family. Women did not achieve this power easily, any many feel like it could still be taken away and thus some women have a side effect of being a little bit sexist against men.
@wayneshelson7295
@wayneshelson7295 2 ай бұрын
@@TheOne1One1One1One And let me guess, all the guys are only hunting on one app, and just want to settle down right? HA! So let's not pin that totally women either, it's always been a buyer's market, and women are the ones buying. They don't owe anyone sex, or a relationship, just like men don't owe them either; no one does. And they can turn down as many people as they want to, guys gotta up their game. Completely agree about social media though, that shit is toxic as hell.
@superbherb7947
@superbherb7947 2 ай бұрын
Popular and social media (such as KZfaq) thrives on headlines, sound bites, and triggering outrage - for nuance you need longer forms.
@oraz.
@oraz. 2 ай бұрын
This isn't that nuanced, it's still a feminist premise about male psychology to explain their outcomes. It's just slightly rebranded rhetorically. Apparently no one has any criticism of this message, just full support.
@Durantis
@Durantis 2 ай бұрын
@@oraz. It opens with the statement: 'Most men aren't CEO's', and 'its easy to focus on a certain set of men who are doing well, but the majority of men aren't'. You are right, it isn't very nuanced, and only scratches the surface on why this groupthink is totally misguided, but it is stil far far more nuanced then 99% of takes that are going around, from all sides.
@monsieuralex974
@monsieuralex974 Ай бұрын
It's sad to see this gender war unfolding... Another video showcasing women's answers to the man loneliness problem was mostly "Good for them!" , "Boohoo, poor men getting what they deserve" , or even "More of them should honestly unalive themselves" regarding a statement about male suicide rate going up... Men are definitely not getting the response and the empathy they seek and need. Thank you for this video and putting this message out there, sadly I have a suspicion that this problem is gonna get much worse before it gets better...
@steven_king
@steven_king 2 ай бұрын
So, I am incredibly grateful that you’re talking about this message. More people need to talk about it, or we’re all really in trouble. I agree (I think most rational men do) that there are some BAD influencers out there for men. I think Jordan Peterson gets lumped in there a lot, but I disagree that he should be. I think you’ll be hard pressed to find ANY clip of him speaking negatively about women. In that clip, he was talking about a major “women’s studies”...and specifically how feminism (and feminists) will actually watch a video like this and say something to the effect of: “Oh boo hoo...poor men, cry me a river...ALL men are bad, and it’s time for them to step aside.” ...and yes, that IS what those things teach. I’m a student at University of California and I hear it every single day. “Men are inherently bad, and we should inherently hate them.” I think we need to keep having these conversations, and I think Jordan Peterson is the best person doing the job...and he’s doing it in a very healthy way. It’s quite a lot more than just: “clean your room."
@deyanginev
@deyanginev Ай бұрын
I've rarely, or practically never seen a woman rationalize men's problems in a way completely in line with how female's instincts work when evaluating a man. And this case is no different.
@NoelTorres_noletorious
@NoelTorres_noletorious 2 ай бұрын
She loses me at the end.
@numbersix8919
@numbersix8919 Ай бұрын
Whoa me too. The video was over and I was like, what she say! I had tuned out just after she mentioned testosterone. OK, I'm listening again and she is saying that men should be pro-social, OK here is is, she is talking about boxing both sexes in, a zero-sum game between men and women. Both sexes have to be doing well! So Ms Emba never mentioned how men can do well. The structural forces she outlined that disenfranchised men, globalization, de-industrialization, and problems finding partners, are only getting worse and worse! So it seems that the solution is political and economic. So we're screwed after all.
@bitey-facepuppyguy2038
@bitey-facepuppyguy2038 Ай бұрын
@@numbersix8919 My particular take on these problems is that like so many others plaguing society today, they are routed in the economic and political ideology of Neoliberalism. I believe that without a major change in the way our economic system is run, almost all of the problems you mentioned above can't really be addressed. Consider the possibility that the root problem is not a battle between men and women but rather an economic system that has not made life better for the average person for the past 40 years.
@sigma4309
@sigma4309 Ай бұрын
true
@Dude-oh8vq
@Dude-oh8vq 29 күн бұрын
They all do. They start of with the typical "Actually, some of this is good", and then end it with something like "BUT, there's a downside" etc. And then they bring up their own versions of what THEY want men to be like, in order to be THEIR interpretation of what masculine is.
@numbersix8919
@numbersix8919 28 күн бұрын
@@Dude-oh8vq They they they they they.
@dennisrperrin3611
@dennisrperrin3611 2 ай бұрын
I’m struggling to see how she is helping men with her vital statistics.
@nackedgrils9302
@nackedgrils9302 Ай бұрын
Well, a lot of women would never listen to a man talking about men's problems, so she might be bringing awareness to a more diverse demographic but I don't think that she's doing a good job of it.
@MohamedAhmed-ms9eu
@MohamedAhmed-ms9eu 15 күн бұрын
@@nackedgrils9302 "a lot of women would never listen to a man talking about men's problems" That's why I ignore women's problems.
@blaisemennia9910
@blaisemennia9910 2 ай бұрын
To think men are just looking for a father figure to tell them “clean your room” is such a condescending take. If she did a little bit more digging she’ll realize that phrase is much deeper than that
@evanescent3167
@evanescent3167 2 ай бұрын
in what part does she say she thinks that about men? you are twisting her words
@blaisemennia9910
@blaisemennia9910 2 ай бұрын
⁠@@evanescent3167 5:43 that’s where she says that. And u wanna talk about twisting words? They insert a one second clip(out of context) of a 2 hour conversation between Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan as the lady claims the so called manfluencers are blaming female agency for men’s problems. If that isn’t disingenuous idk what is.
@nackedgrils9302
@nackedgrils9302 Ай бұрын
Fr, putting Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan in the same box as Andrew Tate is laughable at best but feels disingenuous. I'm not especially a fan of Joe and my Jordan Peterson phase is over but I HAD to go through that phase and it made me such a better and more understanding person and it's thanks to him that I stopped blaming the world for my problems, she clearly hasn't done her research because she says the exact opposite thing.
@Manullus
@Manullus 2 ай бұрын
The first part of the video describes a lot of real issues. When she begins to ask the question "where are those neets" her attitude doesn't match the reality of the situation anymore. It's possible that she just doesn't get what men are going through, because female reality and personality is just drastically different than those of males. Comparing JR and JP to Andrew Tate makes zero sense by the way, because neither of them, ever, tells people out there that they should adopt a victim mentality and blame the world. The opposite is what they've been advertising for, for a long while. So I don't know how this idea got to her. Andrew Tate is a different subject, he's far more complex to describe, but from my view, his moral code and messages don't produce a net good and aren't in line with JP and JR. So please don't put them all in the same boat. The conclusions towards the end of the video make sense, I agree fully with them. If one sex loses, both sexes lose. And we need to figure out how we bring men and women together again, if we want to prevent all of us losing.
@Earl_E_Burd
@Earl_E_Burd 2 ай бұрын
Problem statement: where are all the men? Answer: incels, MGTOW, video games, and manfluencers. Solution: redefine masculinity. Implication that men haven't been able to define it themselves, so one can deduce who should be in control of redefining it.
@oliviam7902
@oliviam7902 2 ай бұрын
To some this may sound “woo woo” but I’ve come to accept “man” and “woman” as energies (like yin and yang). We all have masculine and feminine energies in us and each of us has a different balance of masculine and feminine energies. To reduce these energies to gender identities and then discriminate (even positively) based on these genders is unhelpful for everyone. For example, companies that are promoting “women” because of a quota they need to respect in management are missing the point of why it is good for companies to have more feminine energy in higher management. However, most of the women I’ve met as managers do not promote feminine energies, rather, they’re promoted because they embrace the masculine energies of production, competition and work, work, work. So can we truly talk about equality if the feminine energies of caring and empathy are still so little valued in our society, and across all gender identities? Just look at the highest paid jobs. It’s certainly not the nurses, teachers, and childcare educators…
@superbherb7947
@superbherb7947 2 ай бұрын
This can be stated in a less woo way. I believe I have differing amounts of these “energies” at different times of the day, year, over my life…and I’m just one person.
@Ramdapanda
@Ramdapanda 2 ай бұрын
This is a great take. Indeed it requires a fair bit of awareness to not consider it woo but once you get there it's incredibly hard to deny.
@jilliankavanaugh7971
@jilliankavanaugh7971 2 ай бұрын
👏👏👏
@SogMosee
@SogMosee 2 ай бұрын
youre too woke
@painunending4610
@painunending4610 2 ай бұрын
You're right that does sound 'woo woo'
@lorin8640
@lorin8640 Ай бұрын
Finally someone speaks my mind about these influencers. I see men getting the wrong image about being masculine, or they think men and women almost like different species, when in reality we are just HUMANS, and that means we both have human qualities like being emotional or craving for love. Be respectful and give everybody what they want, after you ASK them actually, don't assume something just based on their gender: "women need this, because of their nature..." says one of those influencer men. Well you aren't woman, you just THINK women need this, it is not a fact. And lot of women still think they live a harder life, just because they are women. Just treat each other as a fellow human being. Men need to be appriciated a lot too, feel needed and loved too, just as women.
@ligiaonofrei109
@ligiaonofrei109 Ай бұрын
Important topic to discuss. Reading the variety of comments, I feel real heartbreak. I hope that men and women, especially the younger ones, can establish healthy communities and can improve their ability to relate to each other.
@candyquahogmarshmallow8257
@candyquahogmarshmallow8257 2 ай бұрын
As someone from Britain I hardly hear this (thankfully) but even if I did I certainly wouldn't change how I act just because there's a few rabid feminists complaining about how I act lol deal with it. Simple. Just because we're not self conscious or care about how we look, it doesn't mean we're "toxic". They'd love it if guys worried about how we looked as much as them. We don't. It's literally that simple.
@TheOne1One1One1One
@TheOne1One1One1One 2 ай бұрын
She has some good points in the issue. But the main driver is social media and online dating. Women are on about 4 different apps so they don’t want to settle with too many options available
@OddTJ
@OddTJ 2 ай бұрын
How about an aspirational vision of femininity? We act like women and femininity are just fine but in reality they both have huge problems, including being the primary source of the "men are garbage" narrative. So myopic, how is this not on Little Think?
@don220486
@don220486 2 ай бұрын
I agree, we should hear a video on this subject too.
@drradon
@drradon 2 ай бұрын
Literally 99% of conversations are on how men are bad and women have it so hard and need support. The second you have a (relatively badly done) video on how men might be struggling someone pops up “Kant wee tok li bi moha bout woooman?!”
@TheOne1One1One1One
@TheOne1One1One1One 2 ай бұрын
She has some good points in the issue. But the main driver is social media and online dating. Women are on about 4 different apps so they don’t want to settle with too many options available
@tarkov666
@tarkov666 Ай бұрын
Because no one wants to even admit there is a male issue. Women issues/rights have been talked and debated about for the last 50 years
@buzzare4077
@buzzare4077 Ай бұрын
​@@drradon Can't we talk about Both women's and men's issues without either of us mocking the other?
@marcopenner108
@marcopenner108 2 ай бұрын
The real problem is that people don’t mind their own business.
@arthurportman4254
@arthurportman4254 Ай бұрын
What about carpenters, plumbers, electricians, HVAC, nuclear operators/mechanics, mechanics, truck drivers, plant technicians, millwrights, aviation technicians and the rest of the engineering trades? How are these valued as much as they used to be? They might just be more valued than every before. I think the education system may have a part in this as well as other factors contributing to this 'problem'.
@NightXof
@NightXof 2 ай бұрын
Heard of the poem "if" by Rudyard Kipling , it tells all you need to be a man..
@thomasschrader8272
@thomasschrader8272 Ай бұрын
She seems to forget all of the societal discriminations that men face. Instead of acknowledging how society is geared to harm men, she places blame on the individual. "If men would just adopt a healthy masculinity we wouldn't have these issues". Thanks for the victim blame.
@erksp7961
@erksp7961 Ай бұрын
Be a mountain. Let trees grow on your slopes, let water flow down in your cracks, listen to the birds singing while enjoying the dance of the wind.
@jameshendrick2099
@jameshendrick2099 19 күн бұрын
The way Emba says "Jordan Peterson" and "Joe Rogan"--both times she says them, with an articulation made to sound both aggressive and dumb--itself reflects the denigrating attitude towards men that she describes in the beginning of her talk. That she goes from identifying a prejudice to unconsciously echoing it, minutes later, shows how entrenched and normative these attitudes have become.
@naza220
@naza220 2 ай бұрын
Now, please do an episode called "Toxic Femininity" on the disappearance of women!
@killy374
@killy374 2 ай бұрын
She won't cuz she's s hypocrite
@marybell2002
@marybell2002 22 күн бұрын
Maybe "Toxic Feminism". These women encourage men to embrace their weak, shy and non-masculine side, then they refuse to touch them with a ten foot pole.
@veronicafallas5318
@veronicafallas5318 18 күн бұрын
Why should she? Women and Men aren’t facing the same obstacles, that’s the whole point.
@derrickogole
@derrickogole 2 ай бұрын
Imagine judging the opposite gender according to what you've seen online. Imagine being preoccupied with titles, power, and positions. Imagine never enjoying your life because the world tells you what to think and feel. Imagine being desperate to be seen and accepted by people who don't like you or know you.
@jojolouis
@jojolouis 2 ай бұрын
your #2 and 4 seem to describe Trump!!😁
@TOm-hr2mb
@TOm-hr2mb 2 ай бұрын
Toxic Feminism must be a talking point. And where are all the women construction workers, inventors, geniuses, etc?
@dannysullivan3951
@dannysullivan3951 Ай бұрын
I believe the words ‘feminine’ and ‘masculine’ have become flexible, hard to pin down. I don’t think that’s bad, but we have to adjust. What we’re looking for is caring, responsible humans.
@user-vo3vs1ds1p
@user-vo3vs1ds1p 2 ай бұрын
One of the greatest things you can do to be a man is master your cell phone and internet usage.... distraction is one of the greatest challenges of our day.
@devsstudent7689
@devsstudent7689 2 ай бұрын
The funny fact, is that the end of the video is almost worse than the start :') It's like good luck world :D
@JustIncredible122
@JustIncredible122 25 күн бұрын
Phenomenal video. Thank you Christine for being so kind and real about this topic. It goes a long way. My 2 cents: it seems to me that if gender is a construct anyway, why try to reconstruct it? I think Christine’s point about channeling the traits that often come out of testosterone in a positive direction is a good one, but at the same time, many men do not reflect those traits very strongly while many women do. Let’s change our paradigm from “how to be a good man” to “how to be a good human”. As Christine said in the video, neither gender likes to be boxed in. We don’t have to live up to someone else’s idea (or even our own idea) of what being a “real” man is. What if Einstein or Stephen Hawking or any of the big scientific or moral reformers of human history were fixated on these arbitrary traits of manhood? If Einstein were focused on getting big muscles and becoming an Alpha or whatever, what would the field of science look like today? Our value as men does not come from these traditional “manly” traits. Our value is inherent, and I believe it’s best for everyone if we free ourselves from others’ ideals and just work on being good humans while laying out our own path toward what we deem as valuable.
@edwinsantiago7596
@edwinsantiago7596 Ай бұрын
This is a beautiful video. I am a young psychologist in Puerto Rico, and probably this is one of the very few ocasions that I see a unification message, and not a polarization message. We need an integral and non dual gender approach in order to create the science and programs we need to attend the new problems and issues that social equality dynamics are spontaneously creating. I will suggest to attend the crime culture in masculinity as one of the social factors that determine this kind of Harmful Masculinity, wich I personally differentiate from the Healthy Masculinity. Thanks for this kind of videos. And just to let you know that not every young men feel Identified whit those manfluencers.
@selam1353
@selam1353 2 ай бұрын
She is on point on the issues. She completely lost it on the reasons why. Also her examples of influencers are mostly obnoxious and completely exaggerated, these people are not in the majority 😂
@Tommy1977777
@Tommy1977777 2 ай бұрын
Now show me what comes next. Because if History is any indicator, it wont be pretty.
@sarxot545
@sarxot545 2 ай бұрын
Why wouldn't it?
@mariochamorro1969
@mariochamorro1969 2 ай бұрын
... strong men bring good times ... good times bring weak men ... weak men bring bad times ... bad times make strong men ...
@sarxot545
@sarxot545 2 ай бұрын
@@mariochamorro1969 What do you mean by weak?
@heisenburg2Vj18
@heisenburg2Vj18 2 ай бұрын
@@sarxot545 weak also means opposite of strong
@sihasnesh2016
@sihasnesh2016 2 ай бұрын
@@mariochamorro1969 This is a really profound quote, but I fear that if the ones in power doesn't give a shit about men at all regardless of the party they represent, men eventually give up. God forbid, I really hope it doesn't happen though.
@angelojamilmaia6044
@angelojamilmaia6044 28 күн бұрын
Men are here to build, develop, protect, teach, and love. Male strength is not destructive. Masculinity is not toxic. Women are here to complete us, not to compete with us. Their rage come as a result of ages of mistreatment. We need to embrace it with empathy, not to fight it with hatred.
@p5rsona
@p5rsona Ай бұрын
a lot of us men have hardwiring but the society we live in does not allow us to feel fulfilled or live according to that hard wiring and feels completely stifling, leading to total depression. its hell
@urproblem
@urproblem 2 ай бұрын
Real men doesn't worry about what a real man does. We should all be focusing on being 'real humans' not 'real men' or 'real women'. As you said we are all getting boxed in by labels, it's time we largely dropped them and opened our minds.
@Bknecht100
@Bknecht100 2 ай бұрын
^^ this is it
@jaythefox
@jaythefox 2 ай бұрын
Truth! We can all cultivate the masculine and feminine balance. Taoism is one of the philosophies which understand this.
@favouroluwafadejimileo-ade4507
@favouroluwafadejimileo-ade4507 2 ай бұрын
Woke culture complained about being labelled, yet they added more labels than they met.
@alper8974
@alper8974 2 ай бұрын
Real women - only goes for someone with money and looks
@tritisan
@tritisan 2 ай бұрын
This is a hopelessly naive take. We all need role models. You can’t tell a young woman “you should grow up to be like such and such man” and a young man “you should be like like this woman”. It simply doesn’t work this way in our natures.
@CalicoCooperFan
@CalicoCooperFan 2 ай бұрын
70%+ of divorces are initiated by women. The courts tend to favor women with greater tmcustody of the couple's children. I personally know of 5 divorces in my circle of friends and family. In 3 of the cases, the women had affairs and decided to divorce their husbands to pursue the men they were having affairs with. They refused to go to couples therapy. These kinds of situations create single parent homes. Children are cut off from access to their fathers. We need to address the divorce epidemic. I'm not saying end divorces, but people need to have a greater sense of commitment if they decide to bring children into the world and should try to improve relationships before dumping their child's father and moving on.
@eon6274
@eon6274 2 ай бұрын
Perhaps one of the more delusional comments I've read on here LOL
@kaze.14
@kaze.14 2 ай бұрын
​@@eon6274​​ what has feminism done for men? If feminism really was about equality of both genders & not just prioritising women's issues even if it's a issue that majorly affects men, then men's right activism wouldn't need to exist.
@MrAkura1984
@MrAkura1984 Ай бұрын
@@eon6274 He's actually right on spot. You need to divorce a ban woman and feel the discrimination in the courts to understand that.
@ThomasNoname
@ThomasNoname Ай бұрын
@@eon6274 These types of comments have become too common, who are the mouth-breathers that upvote this. You literally didn't say anything other than "ur comment is stupid". Elaborate on the things you say, or shut up.
@phalcata572
@phalcata572 2 ай бұрын
I appreciate spreading the awareness because to say we are struggling is an understatement; mentally, financially, and romantically. It is an extremely difficult time for a young man to be alive, truthfully. However, I still cannot help but blame society and radical contemporary mindedness that is ultimately corroding the place for a man to exist and fit in. Yes, I am cognizant that healthy masculinity is needed to be understood and discovered within, but society needs to reimplement a place for masculinity. To be a man in modern times is essentially being cast into societal genocide. UPDATE: So I want to add an additional reply a day later, after steeping with the information and seeing how it resonates with me. She puts the blame or the accountability on young men, when simply, there’s not much we can do about the situation we’re in. I think that’s what frustrates me most about this video. And she is a woman, she can read facts and data, but she had no idea what it feels like to be me. Respectfully. I still blame society. I wish I was valued and I’m not and it’s because of my socioeconomic status, age, and gender. Hopefully the world will need us soon. If there are any young men reading this, I hope that you feel courage and you understand that you are worthy of love and happiness. I think I would also recommend you open up the Bible or whichever ancient book of wisdom you gravitate towards. Godspeed and take care, we’re all in this together.
@madbug1965
@madbug1965 Ай бұрын
Have you heard of Rise of the Girl Boss? It is where flawless female leading characters have replaced male leading characters in movies...
@milena9948
@milena9948 2 ай бұрын
Neither masculine men nor feminine women are toxic. The only toxic thing is the mindset of the particular individual who thinks that is superior to another in any way, despite the gender. Please, just be kind to each other. We're all human after all ❤‍🩹
@sikozen
@sikozen 2 ай бұрын
It's almost like the world spent their whole childhood telling them how evil they were, and how women needed more than they did because they could DO more than they could, better, smarter, faster, and the men... believed them. IT'S ALMOST LIKE THE WORLD TOLD THEM THEY NEEDED TO STEP ASIDE AND LET WOMEN DO IT, SO THEY DID, AND NOW THAT SAME WORLD IS GRIPING ABOUT HOW THEY GOT WHAT THEY WANTED.
@killy374
@killy374 2 ай бұрын
Just relax and let it fall down. This is what we do. Why trust women ? Never ever do it
@killy374
@killy374 2 ай бұрын
Also worse are chameleons who pretend to support dudes but then shit on them
@A861967
@A861967 2 ай бұрын
It’s not the 1st time this has happened, every generation has experienced it. Men tend to need more specific attention to Education, exercise and the ability to focus, we are different than women and we all somehow don’t see it or understand it. Look at Army’s there is a few good reasons why men make the majority of the fighters. Again, Education , physical training and the way of thinking is in play. Yes role models are important and if you look at these role models… they too have had the same influence from ideology that has deep roots it the above examples. ❤
@sihasnesh2016
@sihasnesh2016 2 ай бұрын
My biggest regret is how much men and boys are falling behind in education rather than other stuff basically. We should provide more support and empathy for these kids. But nowadays, the parental involvement in education is minimum and there's no control over what their sons see in social media, which directly affect them.
@munky9001
@munky9001 26 күн бұрын
This 'positive' vision for masculinity has absolutely no chance of success. Completely and utterly misunderstand the problem here. The feminist idea that to make women better was to tear men down. Now the 'non-paradox' of female unhappiness and 500% higher likelihood of women to be depressed is coming to bite them hard.
@ashawalker5986
@ashawalker5986 Ай бұрын
That was wonderful. Brilliant, and we should be grateful for this thinking being made so concise, that's no small thing. Here's a thing to think about in terms of how we get past this. We need to think about all the things that we do as a society - what actual work is required to do those things, how well we can automate them, and how well we can make this benefit everyone in the short and long term. We are absolutely capable of inventing a much better future.
@heliogenesi
@heliogenesi 2 ай бұрын
Joe Rogan, Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate examples, how she tried to melt those in the same pot and simplifiying their 'message' to something it definitely is not, absolutely undermined this whole video and show how clueless the speaker is. Otherwise she actually had potential to make sense.
@billusher2265
@billusher2265 2 ай бұрын
She didn’t though, she just brought them up as examples of popular non-mainstream male influencers
@eon6274
@eon6274 2 ай бұрын
???
@heliogenesi
@heliogenesi 2 ай бұрын
​@@billusher2265 4:56 She literally did by labeling them - and many others of course - as manfluencers and then saying those 3 names as examples. Immediately after she goes on the say they are the ones telling men that the world did them wrong? I don't know much about Tate but that is the most out of touch take I have heard on Joe Rogan or Jordan Peterson. And trying to water all that down to her bringing them up as examples of popular non-mainstream male influencers is ridiculous.
@billusher2265
@billusher2265 2 ай бұрын
@@heliogenesi they’re all influencers, they all have a mostly male audience, and all have said society has mistreated men in some form. So not really wrong.
@heliogenesi
@heliogenesi 2 ай бұрын
@@billusher2265 It is absolutely wrong because the way she frames it is as if they are telling men that they are victims or the main issue is the society being against men, she's distorting the narrative. Those influencers do not have a main narrative that can be summarized that simply and when she does, she is mislabeling them. Anyone who doesn't follow the 'manfluencers' or all they saw from them is a few bits and pieces of media (which is likely going to be through their critics already), is going to be caught in her version of the narrative. She even says 'it is not all bad there is some good there' very condescending and funny actually. I'm not even a 'fan' of these influencers, I agree with their stance on some things at best but I did consume enough media from to be able to tell she has the view of an outsider and spreading misinformation in this video.
@onetrickpony4179
@onetrickpony4179 2 ай бұрын
I'm a white male. I think I'll make a video explaining to Christine all the challenges of being black.
@MinnesotaEverything
@MinnesotaEverything Ай бұрын
Black man here…. A black woman is the most masculine woman and is the last person who should be doing a video on men!
@vivvpprof
@vivvpprof Ай бұрын
👌😊
@HenriCobbs
@HenriCobbs Ай бұрын
please do, specifically a black woman in America.
@HenriCobbs
@HenriCobbs Ай бұрын
@@robertd9850 Can you rephrase your question? I am having trouble understanding your poorly written sentence. It is incoherent and unintelligible.
@HenriCobbs
@HenriCobbs Ай бұрын
@@robertd9850 I'm not suing, I'm not American. But I suggest you learn grammar and sentence structure before discussing qualifications.
@TheSoupier
@TheSoupier 27 күн бұрын
As a man with a PhD, here is what I want. --> My own home --> Friends --> A job where I am not underemployed --> Purpose
@billhinshillwood2670
@billhinshillwood2670 2 ай бұрын
I feel like I am succeeding in my career as a teacher, with my friendships, and as a single dad. In the dating and relationship world....not so much.
@sihasnesh2016
@sihasnesh2016 2 ай бұрын
Develop the former first, latter will come to you later. No matter what one says, a successful, ambitious man is a green flag in this society. I'm sure you're a great father to your child. I wish you all the best !
@Earl_E_Burd
@Earl_E_Burd 2 ай бұрын
"We have to come up with a positive vision of masculinity." 8:22 And by "we", guess who she means? Here comes the new wave of Disney films of women writing men. "I don't get it. We used our liberal arts graduate degrees to come up with a 'Man' marketing campaign group project, what more do they want?"
@prrr4563
@prrr4563 2 ай бұрын
It says more about you (that you take the "we" of her that way). Good luck with your negative point of view
@wnose
@wnose 2 ай бұрын
Men better accept it or else.
@harrypcs
@harrypcs 2 ай бұрын
Spot on. Recreate masculinity thru the lens of feminism.
@zolika154
@zolika154 2 ай бұрын
@@prrr4563 Gaslighting.
@Deibid02
@Deibid02 2 ай бұрын
It was all great until the point of men being “on the internet” and the “manfluencers”. She not wrong tho, the world is changing and it’s not looking pretty for men. IMO there has been a change, impulsed mainly by women, and just noe they are beginning to understand that men are indeed needed in our society. But maybe now it’s too late
@TheOne1One1One1One
@TheOne1One1One1One 2 ай бұрын
She has some good points in the issue. But the main driver is social media and online dating. Women are on about 4 different apps so they don’t want to settle with too many options available
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