Thanks so much for this! I felt bad giving Machamp and Raticate the attention I did and just not caring about Clef but it really is such an obscure mon, so I really appreciate the insight!

“Don’t try Sing though” indeed. I never really cared for sleep before, I’ve only ever played Pokémon single player and just kinda ignored most support moves. Just from watching you and Yellow, though, more specifically hearing that Sing has an accuracy of f$&@ing 55… Yeah, never doing that. Ever. Not just on Clefable.

Clefable is one of the only Gen 1 Pokémon who actually got significantly *better* over the generations, its Gen 1 move syndrome helped it a lot going into later generations where it also had options like Knock Off, Softboiled… and a whole other typing

Gen 8 clefable, machamp, and Tauros walk into a bar. Clef survives the super effective hit and pp stalls the bar with toxapex. Machamp cross chops it into 4 peices and waltzes into ru and starts mugging registeel. Touros takes damage from the stealth rocks the bar set up and gets OHKOd by talonflame immediately. Ps, you guys should crossover, maybe have played von karma do a fighting game section for the memes.

@@isenokami7810 Sing is great on Chansey. You'd think it'd be great on Clef because the movesets make them look similar, but the lack of recovery means if Clef misses, it's in trouble. Lapras should usually run Sing. It has the bulk to go for it, and can switch in on a decent amount of things, unlike Clef. Sing isn't a bad move, even with it's 60% accuracy, just because of how OP Sleep is in Gen 1.

this is epic

WOOO!

Is it helping that my team doesn’t use a single psychic type or is that completely different

Welp just like charizard if you want to see the truly epic version of machamp go to another generation of competitive pokemon or idk play lower tiers being viable in OU means shit if you are a the mewtwo of a lower tier but being honest i still have no idea why machamp is in ZU/6U in RBY because it makes no sense that 2~3 tiers metagame is extremely unfriendly to it

Never underestimate the power of us nerds

@@matteofaccin6636 never underestimate us modern tine nerds! we’ll sweep you with tapu koko and xurkitree in an instant if you even dare press us!!!1!!1!

The fact that I can still find cave story fans out in the wild in 2022 is incredible and amazing

No, it isn't, rby was just incredibly inactive for a very very long time.

​@sycophant8470 one of the big four is down... the egg finally got cook and Starmine took its place

Super effective on gengar? Bug type attack?? Bruh gengar quad resists bug.

@@akpofficial2335 in gen 1 poison is weak to bug.

@@somedude3820 I know poison is weak to bug in gen 1 but ghost resists bug...so it won't be super effective.

@@akpofficial2335 but it won't be quad resisted either

Even Pin Missile would deal solid damage to the Psychics, and at +2 would take a chunk out of Gengar.

Next time someone insults me I'm calling them genuine waste of carbon. Or maybe not.

@@suezuccati304 no say air or water

@@meticakolli1237 People have been using "you're a waste of oxygen" as an insult for eons now lol

The meta will continue to shift as long as the game is played. Viability is based off usage (as in, if everyone played mostly Grass types, Moltres would be ranked higher) and usage is based off viability, so they will continue to change each other. It's not really that players in 2017 were less informed than players today.

@@cameronl1859 there are solved metagames where just a select few teams are viable. So, yeah, it's a surprise that there are meta shifts

It's like those videos for games moments before their online dies

Dw I very recently got over Covid but I'm doing grand now 👌

Did the real Fluttershy type this?

Pinsir is kinda like Aerodactyl in that if they just had a couple of more moves they could've been huge threats. If Aero had Rock Slide, it'd be a very decent pick in OU

@@Skeloperch Earthquake too against Rhydon and Golem; won't OHKO them but will 2HKO them with a crit.

It's honestly not actually Outclassed let's be entirely real here, the other Swordsdance users don't have the best time against Gengar either, and besides if there's still an opposing healthy Gengar around by the time you're trying to sweep with Swordsdance- you're doing it wrong.

What? He specifically called out one of Pinsir's problems being that it had _too many moves_ that you want to put on it but only 4 move slots. I get that we all want good coverage on pokemon but that doesn't seem like the issue.

@@Shenaldrac pinsir has a wide range of good moves but nothing super like a heracross would

My main concern is that this will lead to venusaur getting outclassed again and falling to nu, again. Which means the already stablished NU will have to reacomodate itself again for the threat that venusaur will pose, which means the pokemon that were good there because of venusaur's absense will also vanish, and in turn, NU will lose the identity that took so much effort to shape.

@@wertyxq3468 You are overexaggerating hard. NU is the Fire den.

@@yourdagan you missed the entire point of my comment. You do know that the viability rankings were different when venusaur was in NU right? When venusaur ascended to UU, a lot of pokemon became better and worse as a result, others were given a chance to fill its place and perform on it's own way. The already shaped NU mategame in which Venusaur had its place suddenly became a different one once it left because of the new pokemon that now had a chance to shine. Granted, raichu was also there among others, so it won't be a complete regression, but even then, a lot of the effort that went into restructuring the metagame will be undone. Heck, maybe even poliwrath will get himself unbanned now that one of its checks has returned.

@@wertyxq3468 Because my point of concern and disagreement is on the "loss of identity", which I think is silly for the reason of the tier having no shortage of checks to it which are often underrated already. Also, it probably won't be outclassed since, if I'm not mistaken, they decided to ban Wrap in UU---so there goes Victreebel's main/only advantage.

@@yourdagan the point on the "loss of identity" was about NU losing the new identity it made after losing the one it already had at the begining, which was functional to say the least. The over abundance of firetypes in Nu will keep it in check of course, but venusaur will still be the superior choice for the roles it can fulfill, which in turn results in tiering changes that had already happened before. It can check blastoise and nidoking somewhat better than say, exeggute. And yes, I believe you are mistaken. They did not decide to ban wrap on UU, rather the combination of agility plus wrap. This was to make the annoyance of endless trapping from dragonite more manageble, while keeping UU's identity of skillfull wrap play. In my knowledge, vctreebel didn't use wrap to cheese and harass the oppenent, rather it used it instead as a method of pivoting and getting him and its teammates in a safe spot. This was what made it good in UU, and OU to an extent, and it was also what made venusaur obsolete, as the only thing it had over vic was more phys def and speed, the former not being as important considering it can already get himself in a good position thanks to wrap, and the latter not being exactly relevant as it not outspeed anything that victribeel couldn't while making it matter. So the probabilities of venu dropping again are very high, and so are the changes it will bring along with him.

the fact KARATE CHOP, a move with a literal fighting style name attached to it, was Normal-type, was atrocious

​@@LuisSilva-yc5fzI was just theorizing that the Fighting type was a late addition to RBY, I wonder if Karate Chop was added to the game early as a normal type move and by the time they got around to adding Fighting types they just forgot to change Karate Chop

@@NinjaLobsterStudios That would also explain Mega Punch and Mega Kick...

Can you elaborate more on the differences it sounds cool

@@tabhou7988 Funny enough on the Showdown the current Spotlight right now is Nintendo cup 1997 so you can even play it for yourself. Here's a basic run down of all the differences: Blizzard has a 30% chance to freeze No evasion clause No Freeze clause There is still a sleep clause No OHKO move clause Every battle is a 3v3 You bring 6 pick 3 the total level of the 3 pokemon you pick can't exceed 155 which adds several new layers to team building Fly and Dig are allowed. Those are pretty much the important notes that I can remember off the top of my head.

@@terraSpark902 So, Pokemon Stadium mode?

A real pokemon battle is 6v6, level 100 singles. VGC isn't more skill-reliant, quite the opposite, it exists as it does to make games fast paced to force an e-sport out of it - fun to WATCH, not play. Smogon singles are the true skill-test. NC just works that way (155 cap) because of Stadium mechanics, you should ALWAYS have 6 Pokes and the ONLY time a level cap makes sense is for Little Cup. I hate how they try to make Pokemon an e-sport, it's a total square peg... 6v6, level 100, singles will always be the real way to play.

@alyssarichardson2544 You have no idea what you're talking about. NC97 Literally was the first and only time a pokemon tournament actually was a televised e-sport. Gen 1 in philosophy was very different from modern pokemon games. It was built and intended to be this way in gen 1 context. I can tell you've just never played.

If it had Thunder Wave like it did in past gens, and coupling paralysis with occasional flinch chances, it would be annoying to deal with. I'm sure there are better paraflinchers in gen 1, if not better suited to being sweepers as a whole.

@Me ok?

@Me I’m not lol I’m just saying that it’s sad to see that it’s currently unranked Doesn’t mean it’s unusable, just that it’s how the community perceives it

Funnily enough, Porygon has a really good matchup against Snorlax. Snorlax has no way of breaking through Porygon even with a crit unless it uses Self Destruct, and Snorlax REALLY doesn't want to waste a Self Destruct on such a low value Pokemon. Having a Porygon means that you don't need to have your own Snorlax be able to deal with opposing Snorlax, so you're able to run more offensively oriented Snorlax sets without worry of being unable to deal with the opponent's Snorlax.

Porygon is clutch. If other Pokemon on your team can take down Chansey, there's not much that can beat Porygon. Toxic Recover set with Tbolt and Reflect usually does it

@@josephsquires8033 what are you talking about lmao

@@tehtayteh and you are pretty much done if the oponent lax run ice beam or an amnesia set

@@paradise808 Snorlax is too slow to catch up. And If you have or 5 exploders on your team you can potentially take down 2 or 3 of your opponents mons and start exploding and surfing and then porygon and maybe taur or Ala

That's because Pinsir, like Scyther learn no Bug moves in gen 1. Plus Pinsir doesn't get Earthquake til gen 3

And even in the following generations, Pinsir is always passed over to Heracross, Heracross has reliable stab and Pinsir has X Scissor, And that's about it

It was defo UU in the past but it's currently in PU, not sure how good it is in the tier yet

@@BigYellowSilly ahh damn that’s a shame poor vileplume in later generations especially it’s so sad how him and bellosom are basically identical except bellosom gets drain punch with obviously wouldn’t help him too much but that’s basically all setting their moveset apart in some generations blind bellosom favoritism shame

@@BigYellowSilly RBY PU Vileplume is a bit like 7U Ivysaur, in that it is mainly viable / good due to being the most reliable sleep / “double powder” user in the tier, while otherwise being pretty lackluster. The only other options for a sleep users are Gastly, Poliwag, and Drowzee, which all have to use cringe Hypnosis.

As someone else that has no idea, I think you just summed it all up

There's definitely not an optimal final three, as an opposing team can potentially always have a team that has a favorable matchup against yours, so a lot of it is kind of luck dependent. That's just how it is in Pokémon in general, not just in RBY. Which Pokémon you run in those last 3 slots also depends on what moves you run on the Big Three. For example, if you use Sing Chansey, you won't need another sleeper (although you could always bring one anyway). Despite the relatively small pool of viable Pokémon in RBY, there's a lot of combinations to try out (especially when you consider the moves can vary as well), so I'd say just experiment and see what works for you.

You're pretty spot on with everything. You want Tauros, Snorlax, and Chansey on basically every team. For the other 3, you first want to pick a lead because none of those 3 should be risked as a lead. You have 2 real choices for a lead: a fast sleeper (Jynx, Gengar) or a fast Thunder Wave user that can be a little bit tanky for switch ins (Starmie or Zam, less often Jolteon). You can get more creative for the final 2, but it's good to pick something that can beat Tauros (Cloyster, Eggy, Starmie, Zam, any Legendary Bird) and/or something that can wall Normal, Psychic, and/or Ice moves (Rhydon, Starmie, Zam, Slowbro, Cloyster). My most used team is Starmie (TWave, BoltBeam) lead, Eggy (Sleep, Boom, Stun Spore, Psychic), Rhydon, Snorlax (B-Slam, Blizzard, Earthquake, SD), Chansey (Sing, BoltBeam), Tauros. Starmie is there as bait, I always switch to Eggy on the Lovely Kiss/Hypnosis/TWave. Sing Chansey can be a surprise (since Eggy is on the team) and put an opposing Chansey, or a switching in Tauros or Snorlax, to sleep, which is more valuable than sleeping a lead.

As someone who plays the tier, the Big Three of OU have so many great matchups that you don't really need to run additional mons to cover matchups that the Big Three are weak to, so you can usually run almost any mon as long as it fulfills the specific niche your team requires. Generally though, you at least need a mon to fill the lead slot. Chansey technically works as a lead, since it has great matchups against leads that spread paralysis, but really doesn't like sleep leads like Jynx or Gengar. You don't really want to run Chansey as a lead. Besides the lead slot, you can customize the remaining slots to your heart's content. Is your team particularly weak to Electric types? Slap a Rhydon on your team and now you stonewall basically every Electric type. Want a fast Psychic type that can spread paralysis AND has great coverage? Use Starmie! Like partial-trapping and also want to switch in on a Tauros? Use Cloyster.

Tauros lax and chansey basically required Usually also a lead (usually along the lines of zam, jynx, starmie, gengar, or the occasional antimeta arcanine) tho some ppl just lead chansey which is great against para leads but bad against sleep leads Something else decently bulky like Exeggutor (imo 4th best mon) rhydon/golem, cloyster, slowbro, lapras, or occasionally articuno Last mon can either be another one from either of those lists, or either another sweeper like Persian, Victreebell (not very popular but usable) and dragonite, or something with more utility like jolteon, zapdos, hypno (rarely) moltres whichever fills whatever weaknesses your team still has best Realistically, tho in my experience in high ladder the most common are some combination of starmie, zam, exeggutor, jynx rhydon and cloyster

Porygon is actually a bit surprising in RBY meta now

I don't know. I feel not having Species Clause would tank what little usage Pinsir currently gets. Like, a lot of Pokemon fulfill similar roles to each other. Which means the best of that role will get first pick and the others may only get picked if you need more of that role. Big Yellow points this out. That the only reason people used DoDuo or Raticate was because you needed a backup Tauros you could use while preserving your main Tauros. If you could just use multiple Tauros, then you'd never ever need to use Duoduo or Raticate. The only Pokemon that would benefit from not having Species Clause, would be Pokemon that are either so powerful that it's hard to take down even one of them without requiring multiple counters and checks, or have so many different sets that just figuring out which one you're up against is half the battle and by the time you've figured it out, your counter is already been taken down. Pinsir doesn't really have any of those. It's not some serious threat where you'd want to bring multiple along. And its movesets aren't really amazing. Like, you know every Pinsir is going to have at least Swords Dance and Body Slam for sure. It can't function without it. That just leaves Hyper Beam, Slash, Submission and Seismic Toss to fill amongst 2 remaining move slots. So even if you bring multiple Pinsirs, it's not going to take long for the opponent to figure out what its remaining 2 moves are and how to counter them. Then what? If you switch to your other Pinsir, the opponent already knows why you're switching to this Pinsir and how they can capitalize.

Having more desirable moves than slots is better than the problem a lot of gen 1 pokemon have where they have no moves at all.

Pinsir will always have a special place in my Heart because of the Poké Cup in Pokémon Stadium 1 I remember finishing off the final trainer with a critical slashes from my Pinsir.

@@FraserSouris bind pinsir

tysm we had to whip out the green in memory of best bug type

i always find myself admiring the nails in every vid

@@BigYellowSilly also random asf but that reminds me, I saw you go by any pronouns but I was curious if you prefer people just kinda choose one set of pronouns for you and stick with that or toss out random pronouns or what, it’s a small thing but I like to get peoples pronouns as correct as possible :)

I used to be on good terms with Slowbro but there's only so many times it can sweep my team while I don't crit it

I'm honestly not sure what I want tbh, I'm just kinda waiting for it to drop and hoping it slaps

@@BigYellowSilly that's good. I'm surprised that Starmie surpassed Executor. You never bring up Executor of the big 4 when it comes to Gen 1 like FSG does, but now I'm beginning to see why.

Me personally I’d like a good, non-broken gimmick. Otherwise I’m fine with pretty much anything else just don’t want another dynamax situation

@@n2k970 did you prefer megas over Dynamax and Gigantamax?

Such a banger fr

Garchomp in Gen One OU: "I'm here to kick ass and take names... and I'm all out of-" (Starts getting Blizzard-spammed) AGGGGGH FUCK STOP THIS RIGHT NOW IT'S NOT FUNNY I SWEAR TO GOD YGUROIGROEOHYGR$UOGYIR$UOG-"

It's a form of physiological warfare

At the very least Raticate is tip tier in ADV NU if I remember correctly, but yeah the rat has had it rough lmao

@@BigYellowSilly A check of Smogon shows you to be correct. Gens 3 and 4 seem to have been the kindest to Raticate before it fell down the cliff of irrelevance even more due to a power creep even Guts couldn't help stop. Still, at least it had those gens I suppose...unlike the even more scuffed Raticate-Alola. That poor Alolan thing started even more atrocious and can now only look at Obstagoon & weep in envy given it didn't even get more than one Gen before its unique typing was given to a mon infinitely better (even if one just really likes rodents). Hell, I keep forgetting that Game Freak went insane and got rid of Guts on Raticate-alola for the generally crappy ability is Hustle, though even if it had kept Guts, Obstagoon would still just be a better version of it in every way short of lacking priority. How pitiful.

also as someone who started liking raticate due to a crystal clear challenge where I had to do the first four gyms with a team initially composed of Rattata and Magikarp, seeing it mentioned in any way in a competitive context is a big W

If you ever want to learn the tier, you can always look for sample teams on the Smogon forums. The Smogon RBY dex is a great place to learn each mon's gameplan and movesets.

I can understand why they did it; npt only are gems really strong in their own right, even in the fast-and-furious Gen 5 metagame, but they also make those specific pokemon that use the synergy one-trick ponies, making them too strong with little counterplay unless you use one Trick. Too easy to slap on a team, to versatile to reliably predict, and too strong to safely counter.

The main problem I have with the ban of Gems is that ...... first I would have looked at Keldeo before Gems as Keldeo is by far the worst offender in the metagame and second ...... Reuniclus do be looking good, and I don't like it when Reuniclus do be looking good. If you also ban Reuniclus/Magic Guard then maybe we can talk, but I think it's going to become more and more centralizing again

The part that I can't stand is that gen 5 is the only generation where most of the gems even exist making them an integral part of gen 5. Its like if Amnesia was given to more Pokemon in gen 1. The move is like never used in any other game so if it ever got banned it would be a bloody tragedy

aaaa tysm (:

i dont think large yellow has talked about doubles outside of dark void

IIRC maybe "Worst final stage". Worst of every generation could just be some harmless first stage bug. Worst final stage: Gen 1: Farfetch'd Gen 2: Unown Etc.

Gen 1: Farfetch'd Gen 2: Unown (Now a waste of RAM because its only move Hidden Power is removed in SwS), Aipom, Chickorita, Bayleaf, Meganium, Sunkern, Sunflora Gen 3- Kecleon, Volbeat, Illumise, Plusle, Minun, Slaking(because Truant) Gen 4- Cressilia, Carnivine, Bastiodon, Phione, Manaphy, Abomasnow, Rotom, Finneon,Lumineon, Combee(Male), Wormadam, Burmy, Kricketune, Kricketot, Chatot Gen 5- Vanilluxe, Watchog, Garbadore, Heatmor, Stunfisk, Simisear Gen 6- Barbaracle, Carbink, Espurr, Slurpuff, Aurorus(Ice/Rock type...ouch!) Gen 7- Bruxish, Togedemaru, Alolan Sandshrew/A. Sandslash, Guzzlord(x4 weak to Fairy like Hydreigon), Alolan Rattata/A. Raticate, Incenaroar, Pyukumuku, Pheramosa/Buzzwhole(x4 weak to Flying like Heracross, Bug/Fighting), Niheligo Gen 8- Frosmoth(x4 weak to Rock), Eiscue, Galarian Corsola, Galarian Meowth, Orbeetle(cool design but too many weaknesses), Scorebunny(awful design and evolution line)

​@@Kali_Krause I'd narrow these down a bit. A bit too many and some aren't even that bad. My revised takes. Gen 1: Farfetch'd Gen 2: Unown Gen 3: Plusle/Minun, Delcatty (forgot about that one) Gen 4: Male Combee Gen 5: Heatmor Gen 6: Aurorus Gen 7: Alolan Raticate, Gumshoos Gen 8: Eldegoss, Calyrex

@@Kali_Krause Kecleon is not that bad. Castform and Spinda are 100% worse.

@@johnquach8821 I think Heatmor, Aurorus, and Gumshoos are underrated here. Heatmor is a fire type that is immune to fire and has non-solar beam grass coverage. Watchog and Unfezant are the least useful gen 5 pokemon. Aurorus can set hail and can be really powerful in trick room. It's better than Carbink and Gogoat anyway. Gumshoos has Stakeout which is a really good ability on it. On parting shot/perish song teams, it can be really threatening because pokemon have to switch out and if you made the right read, you can knockout whatever comes in. I think Alolan Dugtrio sucks more.

there is no Wigglytuff meta