Just to clarify the reupload was to remove an editing mistake that caused my webcam to sneak it's way into the vid around 12 and 14 mins in, while also adding a note where I mispoke about Red Alloy's Dash Attack and properly thanking Supersqank not only for their help when it came to questions I had, but for their work on the Brawl Frame Data Spreadsheet! Sorry for the inconvenience, hope you enjoy the slightly improved vid (:

The four genders. Male, female, nonbinary, and mario

Hearing the sentence "As cool as it is to see the iconic nipple spike hitbox" is something I didn't realize I needed to hear until today

i will never forget the spirit of big yellow haunting the original version

The Green Allow using Jigglypuff's moves is so strange, when you consider she was nearly cut from the game.

The Yellow Alloy's horns are a reference to Mario's devilish ways

Mentioned it in the OG upload but I’d once again like to direct attention towards Brawl’s severely-underrated creature designs. Their “plastic cyborg” look is a special flavor of surreal that I haven’t seen in many other mediums at all. Also Shaydas is the coolest one that’s a fact

The term "Small Fry" is actually a very common term for the main grunt type of enemies in video games like Goombas, Waddle Dees, and in Brawl's case, the Fighting Alloy Team. The PS1 title Rakugaki Showtime even calls its main grunt enemy Zako(Small Fish) to really hammer home how weak they are. He's also the only character who can trip in that game so for the Brawl experience, pick him.

Green Alloy in Cruel Brawl haunts my dreams. He’s just standing there. MENACINGLY

Given that the Alloys are all bigger than the characters they're based on would that make Yellow Alloy the first appearance of Big Yellow?

Regarding the random moves having more ending lag, there's actually a reason for this. Brawl is when the Smash devs really started upping the use of IASA frames, which are frames during an attack animation where you can interrupt the animation as if it had already ended. This is how fighters can be in an actionable state before their attack animation actually ends. However, the Alloys have no IASA frames to speak of on their attacks. All the moves where they have more lag when used as Alloys are moves which have IASA frames when used with the base fighters.

I think it's very clear that a lot of these moves offer windows into what Falcon, Zelda, Mario, and Kirby were like earlier in Brawl's development, both the moves that are more reminiscent of the Melee versions and the ones that only have slight differences.

I remember so long ago people would dunk on them compared to the Wireframes, but I don't know, I always jived with their aesthetics a lot more, they're cool dudes.

Thanks for having me on! Love talking about unplayable characters. I wonder if they'll ever be legalised...

The absolute brain blast as a kid when I realised that the alloys were clones of fighters in the main cast will forever stick with me.

Real ones remember the first time this was uploaded

I don't know enough about the technical side of Brawl to understand this, but I'm happy my boy the Green Alloy is doing well. He's always been my favorite.

I feel like not having fighting alloy team in smash 4 and ultimate as the multi-man enemies was a big missed opportunity. Like the FPT from smash 64 I thought fighting a large army of weaker, special lacking fighters was a great concept. They could've even add to the fighting alloys with other fighters based on other playable smash fighters.

these guys are the coolest looking npcs of the series in my opinion

Nice video as always. This was a video I wanted to make a while back but I ended up not going through with it as it was too daunting of a task. I would like to say thank you for reuploading the video and shouting me out. I highly appreciate that and I am highly thankful for it. Regarding the video, there are quite a few things I would like to point out. I did include these in a comment from the original upload but I will include it here for people who didn't see the original upload. I do have quite a bit to say and this will be long so here's a small disclaimer: - A lot of the bizarre things which are closer to Melee are most likely Melee leftovers. They aren't intentional references, moreso they just didn't bother to change those things and it's likely the Brawl versions of those moves on the base characters were closer to their Melee counterparts in earlier stages of development too. - Higher weight in Smash is overall a net positive. While there are instances where it can be bad, making you more vulnerable to comboes in certain scenarios (with D3 dthrow being a notale example of this), the ability to live longer more than makes up for it overall and even when it comes to comboes, being heavier can make you less vulnerable to comboes depending on the scenario. Blue and Green Alloy especially are way heavier than Zelda/Kirby respectively, so it is definitely a definitive improvement for them overall. - When it comes to knockback, a vital detail which is ignored in the video is that the amount of knockback a move in Smash has is directly tied to its damage. More damage = more knockback. As one example to demonstrate this, the last hit of Zelda's fsmash deals 13% damage and it has 30 base knockback and 105 knockback scaling. Blue Alloy's fsmash however deals 15% damage and 30 base knockback and 100 knockback scaling. While 100 knockback scaling is less than 105, because the move deals 2% more at 15% instead of 13%, it overall deals a good bit more knockback. Blue Alloy's fsmash kills 10%+ earlier than the last hit of Zelda's fsmash on its own because of this. You can't really just look at the numbers to determine a move's knockback in Smash. It doesn't give you the full picture at all. You have to punch the numbers into a knockback calculator and verify in game if you can. That was the one consistent thing in the video which I couldn't stop noticing. - When it comes to the Sakurai angle, how it works in Brawl is that when a move has high enough knockback, it launches grounded opponents at a 37 degree angle but against aerial opponents, it launches them at a 45 degree angle. Whether its preferable to a more concrete number however (such as 40 degrees) is dependent on the exact launch angle. Sakurai Angle is an upgrade compared to a 45 degree angle for example but it is a downgrade compared to a 35 degree angle. - The reason why many of the Alloy's attacks have more ending lag is actually quite simple. It is because the alloy's animations lack interruptible animation frames which are present on their base characters. As an example, both Zelda and the Blue Alloy have a down tilt animation which lasts 54 frames. Zelda can interrupt her down tilt animation starting on frame 25, so she can cancel the last 30 frames of her down tilt animation but Blue Alloy cannot cancel their down tilt animation at all, so you have to sit through the whole 54 frame animation before you can do anything. This runs through pretty much every move the alloys have, which is why many of their moves have more ending lag than their base counterparts. I'm guessing the devs didn't bother putting in interrupt frames for the Alloy's animations to make them easier to fight during multi man Brawl. Also as a sidenote, the higher ending lag on Blue Alloy's dtilt makes it horrendously unsafe on hit. It is even - on hit if it trips which is abysmal. - This is a minor point but Red Alloy's dash attack being worse on shield has nothing to do with the move's different knockback. It is solely caused by the move having more ending lag. And those are all the main things I believe. I could make some more minor points but I don't remember them as of writing this. The video was overall really put well together and edited which Big Yellow is very talented with. And once again, I am highly thankful for Big Yellow for shouting me out in this reupload. I just wanted to add some more insight on some things. If you are interested in watching more wacky Brawl content, I've got quite a few videos on my own channel where I dive into Brawl's some of more questionable balancing decisions. Feel free to check out my stuff if you are interested.

I never mind videos that are old and outdated. Especially if they're still enjoyable in their own right.

It's very interesting the micro tuning to make things feel fairer in multiman melee. I'm sure some of them are just "we changed base character and forgot to edit the alloys" but many of them definitely felt intentional to make sure the minimum frustration at a base level for the multiman melee

Green Alloy is just what you get when Kirby eats an Alloy. No wonder they're the strongest.

Fighting polygons gotta be next right? Also the alloys visually look like upgraded polygons, with an eye, more texture and joints, and some visible energy on them. Heck, the blue, red and yellow alloys have wireframe midsections as a reference to the fighting wireframes!

Now that I think about it, I'm surprised there isn't a 5th on based on Sheik, Samus or Marth or something. It's a clear Sentai/Power Rangers parody. They usually have 5 members. Green having both Kirby and Puff makes sense.

Assuming that all alloys were based on Melee's movesets for the characters as purposed by how the Red Alloy maintains Captain Falcon's Melee dair, I could imagine that the Green Alloy's forward throw was changed due to Kirby's forward throw in Melee being able to take you off-stage and into the bottom blast zone in an instant. They probably didn't want that happening to a player on the off chance one of them grabbed and forward-threw them near the edge of a stage.

Whoa! Two Big yellow uploads in one day? Awesome! :D

I’ll admit, I’m a bit bummed the original wireframe video is gone. But this is a great replacement.

I'm glad that your wireframe video only got taken down because you weren't happy with it anymore, and not for some other bs youtube reason. It got me worried when I last looked for it, and it had disappeared. I never saw your video as "very old and bad," don't be too hard on yourself! This video covers more content at a way higher level of polish. It's easy to see that you're pushing to improve your craft, years later. Thanks for making cool videos for us I laughed pretty hard for the female wireframe who tried to hit that falcon

there really is somthing so charming about characters that made intentionally bad but still have redeimably traits. quirky guy is just like me :0

Theres a Project M mod that makes all of these guys full characters with custom specials from Smash 4 to fill in the special slots and theyre some of my favorites. Blue Alloy in particular is a ton of fun with her downright bizarre zoning

awesome video, glad to watch it a second time

I think its very probable the alloys were made earlier in development than the fighters, which would explain why red ally's down air more closely resembles melee falcon

0:31 I like the double meaning of this. They're not only unable to be played legitimately, but they're so bad they're also functionally (no shield, no ledgegrabs, etc.) and competitively unplayable!

Im gonna miss these guys, they're some of the cooler smash original designs out there with their surreal plasticy android cyclops look, it gives them a real identity for themselves that can't be said as much for the wireframes and the polygons. Brawl is REALLY underrated in that aspect. In a world building lens they look like something that would be mass produced and used as combat training dummies, but would easily become profoundly dangerous for like security purposes fnaf 2 style.

I think a lot of the oddities with these characters come from the fact that they weren't designed to be anything more than a horde of video game 'zombies'. They need to be able to fight back, and potentially be threatening in large numbers, but very easy to manage 1v1. The high double jumps potentially let them get back on stage if you didn't get a good enough hit in, Mario attributes mean players don't have to deal with characters all being different speeds, more laggy moves like Blue Alloy's D-Tilt stops it from being too exploitable for a horde fighter, Alloy moves probably have more consistent hitboxes so that there's less variability when taking them on, stuff like that. I think if you copy all the attributes from the base characters, the Multi-Man experience becomes far more volatile

The fact these seem to be earlier drafts of their original counterparts made me wonder if the green alloy was done after the game was delayed to add sonic (and jigglypuff was thrown in) or before and they just ported jigglypuffs throws because it was an easy solution to replace some difficult moves. I think uthrow has differences to melee's so i would guess the alloy was finalised afterwards.

8:57 glad to see the tradition of making falcon's up smash absurdly strong for no reason goes back as far as brawl

This video being posted lead me to discovering that one dude who apparently mains Male Wireframe by looking around Smash wiki, so thanks for both the great video and for letting me figure out that someone is trying to push the limits of Male Wireframe.

Now with 20% less big yellow jumpscares and 20% more credit to cool helpful persons.

It's worth noting that red alloy's jab3 always going into rapid jab is also something melee falcon has. Melee falcon does have workarounds to prevent the rapid jab (named the gentleman's jab), so I wonder if red alloy also does? Very weird that it's present in brawl.

This video reminded me that Zelda used to have a frame 11 jab I know the move was pretty different overall but that’s conceptually crazy

(rewrite of original comment) Love to see Big Yellow talking about some really hyper-niche or mundane thing and going on a deep dive, and somehow its fascinating every time. Never gets old, never change (unless you want to)

I hope a fighting alloy makes it to your tomodachi life island

6:17 - What do you mean Red Alloy's the leader? Literally the next sentence says he isn't!

ok alright vids back so i love the alloy's design, they look so damn cool to me. i was obsessed with their looks as a kid, and i still am now. anyways, ready for my headcanon on these scrunglies? ok so basically the alloys used to work for the subspace army but were moved by the struggles of the smash cast, so they decided to change their ways and become sparring partners with the cast, basing their style on their favorite members. then they were invited to the massive smash mansion as seen in the background of ultimate's homerun contest and they lived happily ever after the end!!!!! :3

12:22 The Big Yellow Jumpscare has been erased.

Imagine a tournament where these are the only characters allowed without the regular roster Also is there any difference between the Fighting Polygon Team in 64 and the characters they're based off or are they 1 to 1 clones?

Dude it’s even better the second time.

Now we wait 2 more years for Yellow to talk about the fighting Polygon team in smash 64

I saw this vid in my notification, and it wasn’t till you popped up at the end that I realized who I was watching! I first saw your absurd Pokémon tier vids, and am stoked to see you also post about smash bros from time to time!

Ah, these alloy fellows, I remember spending countless hours in endless brawls wailing on these guys, good times. Then I tried cruel brawl and learned what it’s like to suffer as they did.

Never actually played a Smash game but I diligently watch your deep dives into random niche smash content

Gonna comment what I said on the previous upload, I wish they made the Alloys unluckable in someway. They just have really cool looking designs.

commenting to boost the algorithm because you're worth it

Excited for the eventual SF6 Hyoomba and Fridge overview.🎉

This video is so sick I never would've thought these wire frame rejects would have so much nuance

Honey, wake up, Big Yellow uploaded another video about a weird niche topic

superb vid, i'd love to see a follow up covering the subspace emissary enemies, because those are VERY interesting

I noticed pretty quickly they were based on other fighters as a kid. So I figured out quickly that, Red was Falcon, Yellow was Mario, and Green was Kirby. But I always had a problem with blue. I always assumed it was Zero Suit Samus because of her appearance.

I always loved the design of these and wish Nintendo would've included them as echo fighters in Ultimate. It's also fun to imagine what additional Alloys based on other characters would look like.

2:19 The Japanese name sounding funny is due to how it’s translated there, because “ザコ” doesn’t necessarily have a connotation of being small 🤔 (reposted engagement)

Brawl replaced the gender binary with the gender quaternary: male, female, Italian, and Kirby.

Love watching Big Yellow go way too in-depth about non-playable characters.

It is even better a second time!

Your wireframe video was what convinced me to subscribe, I think, or what got me to first look at your channel. I'm looking forward to a more accurate redo. I don't re-watch old videos I've already seen often so I didn't even notice it was absent despite being one of my favorites.

You made my morning Yellow.

Video so good it just had to be uploaded twice. I personally love the Alloy Team, even if the Yellow Alloy always was the one killing me in Multi-Man Brawl, they have such cool designs, and I wouldn't mind seeing them again.

I want them to bring these characters back as a sort of tag-team character, kinda like Pokemon Trainer and Pyra/Mythra... But with alterations to make them more unique compared to Falcon, Zelda, Kirby, and Mario (and you know... making them ACTUALLY VIABLE and having special attacks, y'know?).

Big Yellow really is an amazing creator, cause you quite literally never know what they'll upload, but it'll be peak no matter what

Just a heads-up, the scaling is actually different between Alloys. Red/Blue: 1.2x Yellow: 1.5x Green: 1.6x Also, with the Cruel Brawl knockback buffs the Alloys get, that Blue NAir is an absolute killer. She touches even Ganondorf with that, he's instantly dead. Same for BAir/FAir, though sometimes you can survive cross-stage. There's a reason I keep track of where Blue Alloys are and will spawn and when.

This is a tad bit unrelated, but does anyone else think that the alloys just look like they were ripped from a completely different game? Like, they're giving me major Jak and Daxter vibes, but maybe that's just me.

I’m so happy somebody made a video about the alloys.

The wire frame video was one of the vids that I discovered your channel by!

Always love the videos on non playable characters! As a smash 64 enthusiast I’m hoping for the possibility of a Polygon Team video at some point, heh heh😅

I'm not too familiar with Brawl specifically so I might be wrong, but aren't both of the Kirby throws that got changed the ones he can use as suicide throws? if so, that'd be a pretty obvious reason to change em, I'd be fuming if an alloy pulled that on me

Just a note: The reason F-Smash doesn’t show hitboxes in brawlbox is because the hitboxes are actually located in a subroutine the game calls when you use the move. At least if it is coded like Falcon’s

Do you think Green Alloy has the advantage in the Ganondorf matchup? I'd put money on it

Possibly coincidences, but two of the designs remind me of other things. Yellow Alloy reminds me of a male villager in Animal Crossing (Gamecube), where they'd always wear a hat with viking horns. Green Alloy reminds me of two Kirby enemies - Cutter (shapewise), and Plasma (colourwise). Very wonderful video. I wonder if anyone has ever modded them to have mechanics they lack (like ledge grabs and shielding). No to wax philosophical here, but there'd be something sweet about these mostly forgotten NPC characters made for a simple gamemode and never really used again, to be taken and given some love and care despite their obscurity.

i will watch this video again, for it is a Big Yellow video 👍

This video having immediate shoutouts to PVC and Sqank already makes this a 10/10

I deadass had a Halloween costume of the Yellow Alloy when I was a kid. It was my spirit animal

Looking forward to the Wireframe remaster. I still liked the original video a lot.

Can you please bring back the old videos in some form? Even if it's just unlisted in a playlist.

I just thought about if someone modded these guys into a game with their stats slightly changed from the OGs, and with Specials inspired by the Smash 4 Custom Specials (so they could have more of an identity).

headpats for a good gurl, love you Big Yellow

video so good it was uploaded twice

For Blue Alloy's up smash doing 25% instead of 24% (at ~14:48), I think it's probably because of the stale move system. Starting with Brawl, moves that aren't staled at all get a 5% damage bonus, so attacks that deal at least 20% are strong enough for the bonus damage to become a full percentage point.

Aww kinda sad the old video are gone. Would you be able to just put them in a playlist unlisted and make it clear they're outdated?

If the Green Alloy's F-Smash has its early hit changed from Frame 12-16 to 13-15, but the Late Hit is unchanged and still 17-21... Does that mean there's just no hitbox at all on Frame 16? Based on the hitbox visual, it does look like they crawled the Late Hit back to hit on Frame 16 as well

Watched the original video, reposting comment from it that I will foolishly assume is still true here: Request: When you do videos like these that use specific specialized terms repeatedly throughout, can you include definitions for them at the bottom of the description? I have no idea what a Sakurai Angle is, and I forgot what FAF stood for more than a couple times throughout since the only time it was defined was the first time it was used (If the same is true for Sakurai Angle then I missed it completely). I'm not very familiar with a lot of fighting game and especially Smash terms, so I tend to get lost later into videos like this one, especially when I'm taking breaks throughout as I have the video on during other activities.

Hey man, I enjoyed the wireframe video. Why you gotta do me dirty like this

I think it's very likely Falcon's down air was originally like the alloy version. If anything the alloy having the forward air sweetspot requirement just like in Melee is a bit of a dead giveaway.

I mean I doubt there are any "references" so much as just a lot of data was ported straight from Melee to serve as a base for Brawl and adjusted as development went on

Yo is that an overly specific 30+ minutes video about a fighting game from my boy Big Yellow? Sign me the fuck up

Fighting Polygon Team are still the GOATs, but Alloys are a close second. Just can’t beat the abstract, spiky Elves and Dinosaurs for my money.

The Red Alloy having a Down Air similar to Melee Falcon's seems like they imported some data from Melee and changed it for Falcon later in development but not for the Red Alloy, many early and prerelease Brawl footage showed moves and animations taken from Melee so it's very likely.

And congratulations to Plague von Karma for being promoted to admin on SmashWiki! She's been doing good work on there for a very long time and I'm happy to see her in leadership ^^

I have an odd memory in my head of my older brother trying to fight these guys in that game mode and getting two shot. Also in that memory they were called “Aliens”

I didn't really know what this video is going to be about as I'm not subscribed to you,, but I will say I really enjoyed it more than I ever expected to. I would like to see some other videos like this, am I able to still watch that wireframes video or did you remove it completely? Do you have any other videos on non-playable Smash characters like this at the moment?