Robert Taylor, Öhlins suspension guru from Crown Kiwi Technical shows us how to set suspension sag on track day and road bikes.
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@booger65man3 жыл бұрын
Thank you! Finally someone that actually shares the information instead of hinting at it like someone else on KZfaq we all know.
@koma72522 жыл бұрын
moss?
@kevinhunt88632 жыл бұрын
@@koma7252 that’s who comes to mind for me
@ropa3905 Жыл бұрын
God damnit Dave Moss, be like this guy
@cguzman368510 ай бұрын
I knew the answer before clicking on the comment 😁
@garymanning89203 жыл бұрын
Great narration , no music, talks slow and precise. Like my Calculus teachers. Precision speaking. Great site I'm subscribed.
@600k413 жыл бұрын
very nice Robert. Always a pleasure seeing you work your magic
@mozzmann11 жыл бұрын
Exactly how it should be done, settle and then snugged up the fork. There is a wealth of tuning advice in this short clip and I am glad he mentioned the spring rate and the fact that you MUST change the springs to suit the rider weight AND riding style. For instance I run my tires at the low end pressure recommendation which means my springs and damping are quite different to someone running tires much harder. Rider weight has a huge effect on this too as he said.
@alimages8 жыл бұрын
Best suspension advice video on KZfaq. Just set my 04 zx10 using these sag recommendations and it was perfect on recent track day. 29 mm of static and 41mm with rider. Bike felt much better. I ended up using almost all my available fork travel (used zip tie to check). Bike felt like it turned much better and more importantly held the line which it hasn't done before(used to drift wide when getting back on the throttle). I had the front set too high in its travel before which meant the bikes geometry was all wrong. Don't make the mistake of having too much front preload if you aren't already bottoming the forks all the time , it just slows the bikes ability to turn.
@Oilyhands7492 жыл бұрын
Keep coming back to this time and time again, Perfectly easy to follow instructions Once again thank you
@bravo98903 жыл бұрын
Wow I've been on KZfaq for an hour now and a couple of your videos finally made it click for me. Good work very understandable
@dirtyvfr12 жыл бұрын
superb, now i have taken umbrage with a few people who have changed my wheels about the way they sequence tightening the front wheel, and also the rear wheel, monkey see monkey do, without understanding what they are doing. Anyway i've just undone the front wheel and redid everything but bounced the front end to settle it (as opposed to using the front brake) and the front end is moving a lot better and smoother, with minimal input. this is a must watch video.
@chuckbelow3372 жыл бұрын
After tightening the pinch bolts, tie the front brake closed, then loosen and retorque the caliper bolts. This ensures realignment of the pads to the rotors. Always mark your pads to be able to return them to where they came from. Elevate the wheel and check for drag by spinning. Thanks
@ArturK1M10 жыл бұрын
Thanks guys. Really appreciated!
@Oilyhands7498 ай бұрын
I’ve just watched this again!!! Thank you
@steven-vn9ui6 жыл бұрын
Brilliantly simple. Thanks a bunch
@slipngrip9 ай бұрын
Other sag tutorials on YT: You'll need a bike lift which most of you don't even have at home This: *Bring two friends*
@Oilyhands7493 жыл бұрын
Great clear spoken advice thank you
@CaliWhiteBoi11 жыл бұрын
I got an 00 R6 an my forks are the other way so are the measurements the same?
@Goffens10 жыл бұрын
I want to know where the rebound and compression klicker is supposed to be when you messure sag. Is it suppose to be in the stock 12 clicks out "for example" or is it supposed to be all the way out so it dosent interfer whit the sag messurment!?
@FreddyG6876 жыл бұрын
If the bike needs to Be lowered in order to accommodate the riders height . What would be the best way to go about it ? Lowering links or lowering the rear coil over under the seat?
@michor107 жыл бұрын
Escellent video. Thank you kind sirs!
@sarunassurvila78576 жыл бұрын
6:29 the main nut has to be tightened at the very end after tightening the clamps, right?
@Itzalwys14206 жыл бұрын
I have a question about the front forks when installing tires.... In the video you say after jouncing the bike to tighten the "right" side 2 allen bolts.... What about the elft hand side? When should those get tightened or would the left side stay slightly loose until the right aide is tight??? Thanks in advance Greg
@onewaywolf35305 жыл бұрын
After you slide the axle back in with wheel in place you then tighten the left side bolts up to correct torque spec. Next, you press down on the bars a few times to ensure forks goes into proper alignment. Once aligned, you then tighten the right side bolts up to correct torque spec. Job done.
@gumonthepants2 ай бұрын
8:43 OMG, buyer's remorse! I am the one who weighs only 61 kg! I came to this video after a few hours of frustration having been unable to achieve the 35-45mm difference recommended on my new Bitubo shock for my Vespa Sprint 150S.
@itr83512 жыл бұрын
very helpful and very detailed
@MrScracha13 жыл бұрын
Thanks Robert, your funny accent is much easier to understand online :-) Didn't know about re-aligning the forks until I watched this.
@ProjectCarTV13 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! ProjectCarTV
@brucef217411 ай бұрын
What static sag settings should you be aiming for suspension with a top out srping?
@Mr.Hanma_6 жыл бұрын
That sneak diss at 2:55 😂😂😂
@whoogie13 жыл бұрын
fantastic
@truthseeker84835 жыл бұрын
R Sex hehe Wouldn't the suspension sag from rider weight vary according to how much total travel there is as well? I would have thought it would be a certain percentage of total travel...
@Automan95 ай бұрын
I fucking love this guy on all his videos.
@61XAA12 жыл бұрын
Ok I understand how to measure it, but the video is called "setting suspension sag", so now what? What's the difference between too much and too little?
@Daniel-dj7fh Жыл бұрын
if i have too much sag do i have to increase or decrease preload?
@myfaceisonfire110 жыл бұрын
love how yamaha bikes look and perform, Is there any way to see what modifications where made to this r6?
@benbetts718210 жыл бұрын
Where should the preload, compression & rebound be set before measuring the sag?
@tariq48516 жыл бұрын
Correct me if I am wrong, but I reckon it should be set to the standard settings as specified on the manual and from there on based on rider requirements adjust rebound and damping.
@atypical_moto4 жыл бұрын
Rebound and compression doesn't effect sag. They effect how fast the shock can move up or down. Adjust preload to achieve desired sag. Your baseline is with the rear tire off the ground so preload won't effect you establishing that number.
@effinurmother12 жыл бұрын
How do i get the tail end to look like it's pointing up?
@jameswill93235 жыл бұрын
Heavy front brake
@jogo85026 жыл бұрын
If you adjust the static sag you autmatically adjust the rider sag ?
@dst-a-nen5 жыл бұрын
Yes and no. If your measurements with rider sag are within limits than it is OK. If your rider sag is out of the limits you have to change the spring as he said.
@The_Touring_Jedi4 жыл бұрын
@@dst-a-nen On my touring bike I have static 380mm when on its own weight 400... with me on the top is 420mm, should I be reading 430mm? That means that the preload is little bit too high for static and dynamic? Am I right? Pozdrav
@Apokolohypnotis4 жыл бұрын
I don't really understand - if the static sag should be "between 25 and 10 mm" how come the rider sag can be "between 24 and 27 mm"?
@The_Touring_Jedi4 жыл бұрын
Lets say you have with no rider suspension drops on it's own weight 30mm measured . When you sit it goes 24mm down more with rider. Static and dynamic= Bike weight- Bike weight with rider. Got that?
@zoomjoo7 жыл бұрын
Are these measurements taken with a warmed up bike?
@gggromay8 жыл бұрын
30mm of static sag on the forks, + 10 to 15mm more with the rider, that means 45mm of sag... Its confusing because every other publication talks of up to 35mm of sag for street ride, and 10mm is a big difference.... Is he correct or did he make a mistake? He never actually mentions the total sag we are looking for on the forks
@Concordeagle7 жыл бұрын
I just bought a set of 2017 Ohlins FGRT forks and the manual calls for front static sag of 15-30mm and 35-50mm of sag WITH rider. Seems like newer forks have wider range than previous models.
@650hpreventon5 жыл бұрын
For street ,rider with full gear. 30mm-35. On track 25mm -30mm. Rebound should bounce back right away. No bouncing around. That what I follow on my bike.
@Candesce9 жыл бұрын
Yeah... I have a GSXR 1000 and I'm 50kg. Guess I'm booking my bike in at a local suspension shop, hopefully it's not too pricey.
@Candesce8 жыл бұрын
***** lol, 1.63m myself.
@joonbora70316 жыл бұрын
Karina how u manage such a big bike in traffic?
@TheIndustrialsound9 жыл бұрын
I have a 2005 sv 650 , my weight is 68 kg. What spring package could you recommend for daily riding and country riding.
@kidr0bot0212 жыл бұрын
...If your well FED... :P
@jamakasis188 жыл бұрын
Success, with full gear i'm 85kg xD
@unggrabb5 жыл бұрын
Good info, but the narrator almost put himself asleep.
@motocruza46577 жыл бұрын
He's whispering at the near end part of the video.
@maxwellanderson98708 жыл бұрын
I got RT & his crew at kiwi suspension systems to install Ohlins to my bike front & rear 2012 VRod, My bike rides & handles better than new, strongly recommend for u to take your bike to KSS.
@dianeobi98376 жыл бұрын
I have had great experience with them also.
@jefftaylor64874 жыл бұрын
And you don't mention a thing about how to get to those target sag settings if you happen to fall outside of those measurements! Add preload? Firm up the compression or rebound dampening? you don't mention a thing about actually setting anything.
@imwithstupid000113 жыл бұрын
Get your shick and forks serviced first, then try again, or adjudt the spring rate by changing the springs over to your weight.
@Metalunique12 жыл бұрын
Did he jus' call me fat?!...
@motocruza46577 жыл бұрын
Yes. So what?
@iman80skid91 Жыл бұрын
Ha ha well fed person.... Funny
@jamesjaneczek82568 ай бұрын
You never measured and calculated for stiction.
@marcperrot33393 жыл бұрын
what the hell...at 1;27.. guys were lifting by the pegs!!! thats not topout
@robertomalatesta66043 жыл бұрын
"On a bike like this ... five to ten mm is the target you are looking for". How about the rest of people with different bikes?
@nick2819722 жыл бұрын
"A very well fed person" lol this guy should go into politics.