Ben Affleck seems to be having a separate conversation in his head where he is hearing things that are not being said and he is arguing against that.

Ben was clearly out of his intellectual league here.

Affleck comes across as an uninformed college girl --- never having been exposed to reality.

Very disappointed in Affleck for this. Great video!!!

Ben should stick to making movies and leave the intellect to people that have it.

Ben seems to be acting like an extremist here. Yelling and interrupting but not much to say.

Wow awesome approach compared to TYT. Rubin is so much more rational, objective and less apologetic than Cenk... and nice to look at and I'm not even gay, unless... am I gay for Rubin?!... Is that a thing?!...

Ben Affleck acts like a school bully. He isn't listening at all. I am so disappointed by him.

Very good analysis Dave. I agree with Sam that this is an issue that has really shown some serious cracks in secular liberalism. Liberals, on the whole, have placed so much focus on caring for "the other" that when a genuine threat to liberalism itself comes along, they collectively shit themselves and just lie down and play dead. Liberalism desperately needs to learn from this and get an actual intellectual spine, rather than an emotional one.

It think Afleck just thought he was going to come off as the great white supraliberal defender of the brown man and instead looked like a idiot shadow boxing against strawman arguments that no one actually made. Sometimes that works when someone comes off as very passionate and inspiring.... but Afleck is just not that good if an actor. Harris is absolutely right, as liberals we're really hypocrites when we pretend everything is ok with Islam and tolerate terrible idea with what are really incredibly dismissive caviats like "Oh they are an oppressed people, they live in poverty, they do not have proper education... you cannot hold all of this against them".

Well said, except that when Harris said "Islam is the motherload of bad ideas" he was spot on. It really is.

Ben Affleck is way, way out of his league trying to have a debate with Sam Harris.

Ben's strategy: "I'm losing the argument...time to bring up the "racist" card. Affleck's not debating, he's just grandstanding.

"My condemnation of Islam does not apply to “all members of a group or the group itself based on the bad acts of specific individuals in that group.” My condemnation applies to the doctrines of Islam and to the ways in which they reliably produce these “bad acts.” - Sam Harris

Ben stick to acting or maybe not.....

Dave > TYT * 100

This is the best analysis of this controversy I've seen. Well done!

Total support of Sam harris who said absolutely nothing wrong !

Watched this b4 viewing interview with Yasmine Mohammed. Not the first time Affleck has been so single-minded, intolerant.

Sam's vocab was too much for affleck.

Wow....a member of TYT who hasn't lost their mind. I didn't think that was a thing anymore. I've been a fan and defender of TYT for years. Not anymore. This past week or so did them in, imo. If they misrepresent an utterly important and valid argument THIS much, it makes me wonder what else they've been intentionally misrepresenting over the years. I'm very liberal/progressive and an atheist AND I cannot stand racism/bigotry...and couldn't agree more with Sam Harris. Islam is an IDEA, an OPINION. It's empirically untrue and based on a "moral" code that is patently _immoral_. Why on earth should I "respect" an *_untrue immoral OPINION?_* Religion always gets a free pass; but not anymore. I'm done pretending religion isn't the worst idea humans ever invented.

Ben Affleck - you are blatantly showing your ignorance! You lost any credibility when you first opened your mouth. You are not in the same class intellectually with the other men on the panel. You would've served yourself better by zipping your mouth and listened. You accidentally may have learned something.

lol why did they invite an actor to an intellectual conversation? actors are not very smart, thats why they are actors.

I laughed when Ben challenged Sam's credibility. While Ben is out pretending for a living, poorly I might add, Sam is doing the research and actually becoming informed. I'm guessing Ben had no idea who Sam Harris was. He does now. lol

Ben would be out of his intellectual capacity, if he sat at the table with a McCheeseburger.

Fantastic video Dave! I've been so frustrated with TYT over the last year to the point you're the only channel I'm still subscribed to. I just can't take Cenk's reporting anymore. I keep watching him take things like this debate and twist it to fit his own ideology. Any time your arguing from a place of passion over facts, you're always going to be on the losing end (Even if you have a point.) That's the problem with the media as a whole. They always come at you from a place of bias or narrative as opposed to objectivity. Reality is rarely ever black or white, right or left, ect. it's always that gray middle ground that nobody wants to tread.

Look at the way ben is looking around and rubbing his face when other people are talking. He clearly snorted coke before this show

This is a great video. Ben seemed to be arguing a point which no-one made - that all Muslims are somehow the same - which Bill and Sam both pointed out is ridiculous - and yet Ben still argued as if they'd painted all Muslims with the terrorist brush. He just wasn't listening.

Fantastic video. I was really taken aback by the approach that Cenk and TYT took on analysing the matter. This is a rational and logical breakdown of the discussion. Thank you Dave, you have a new subscriber.

Just because Ben Affleck is famous it does not mean he is also an intellectual, which is why he cannot stay on point in this debate. I am not saying he is not intelligent, I am saying he is not an intellectual which is what Sam Harris is.

Ben affleck, the entire time, is red faced, short of breath, can't sit still and making snide comments to someone trying to have a reasonable conversation..sounds like the same symptoms a 14 year old girl has when talking to her parents about dating a senior or going to an outta town concert with no parental supervision .pay attention Ben you might learn something..

I’ve known since Afleck cheated on Jennifer that he was out of his f’ing mind.

Have you seen this, Cenk? It's called a fair analysis.

This is proper journalism that the rest of the media world should learn about. Good video Rubin!

The good thing about this 2 years later is that calling someone a racist no longer has any meaning. If someone calls me a racist I just laugh in their face and mtfo.

Really disappointed at Ben Affleck's banter here. I know he's active in international volunteering but he lost me at labeling them as racists (as if muslims were a race to start with). It shows the lack of depth of his knowledge in this argumentation.

I would do anything to listen to Sam Harriss's inner monologue throughout this whole thing.

Finally one voice of reason in this network, shame on john i thought he would be one also

Awesome video! I really hate how unreasonable Cenk was about this, demonizing Harris and Maher, and apologizing for Islam.

So glad to see Dave talk about this in a sane manner. Cenk (et all) went about it in a sensationalist manner, and did exactly what Harris accused many liberals of doing (falling into a tolerance paradox, & refusing to criticize Islam (outside of "all religions are bad!" - a total straw-man)). I won't hold my breath for Cenk to bring up the Pew Poll numbers that support Bill & Sam's viewpoint. Bill/Sam/Dave are extremely right -- all the books are crazy in their texts, all the extremists are crazy in their beliefs, but Christianity/Judaism/(et all)'s more extreme beliefs (say, all the stoning-jazz in the OT) are not put into practice on the large scale as they are with Islam (and it it NOT just because of the political systems of those countries, it's because of the religion). I wonder if Dave's talked about this off-camera with any of his fellow TYT employees (as, at least on camera, they seem unwilling to even consider these points).

This was 1000x better than Cenk's Analysis.

Affleck seems to want to be considered as some sort of liberal intellectual, but he is a feather-weight. This was a terrible display by him. Good analysis by Rubin.

Finally an honest analysis of what was actually said, and an actual explanation of the background of people rather then the caricature of the people involved. Tyt should be ashamed they could not be this honest

This was a fantastic video Dave. I was really frustrated after seeing the TYT coverage of this video. You should show this video to Cenk.

I'm 8 minutes in to this video an am really glad that someone on TYT actually understands what people are saying. You need to have a talk with your boss Rubin. He does not seem to get it. I've been a subscriber of TYT forever but they lost me along with a shitload of other people recently. You got yourself a sub.

Thanks for restoring sanity. To say I was disappointed at the "Sam Harris as dangerous as Sarah Palin?" TYT video would be a gross understatement. I watched the Bill Maher show live and saw it as you presented.

Cenk needs to take a few lessons in thinking from you.

Finally a balanced and rational analysis of what has been said, I was getting desperate seeing all the misrepresentations and apologetics for religion going on lately everywhere else.

I almost feel like I watched a *_completely different interview/debate_* than everyone else did. I 100% agree with Rubin's analysis. And....I kept a tally. He agreed or thought a good point was made by Ben Affleck a grand total of......*_zero times._* And, aside from a poorly phrased word or two from Maher, he agreed with *_every single thing_* Sam Harris said. Again, that was my take entirely. So........what on earth is making everyone gang up on Harris and Maher?? Seriously? Did no one watch this whole debate? Affleck not only argued poorly(if you can call it an argument), but he did so with juvenile anger, outright lies, and accusations of _racism!_ Now _THAT_ is "gross," to quote -batman- Affleck.

Rubin Report Thank you for this video Dave! You are the only person at TYT that actually thinks rationally.

I wonder if Ben Affleck knew what an idiot he would look like when he accepted the role in that discussion.

This isn't allowed to be debated today. You never see sam harris on any mainstream television today.

Dave Rubin. I'm impressed! This is some of your best work.

America needs more people like Sam Harris.

Ben obviously couldn't understand what was being said on the proper level. He sounded idiotic and angry. That was it.

Three simple thought experiments Ben Affleck could have employed before this tirade: 1. He is to imagine that he burned a Quran, in an act of artistic freedom, on Real Time. What would happen. 2. He is to imagine that, instead of Dogma being about Catholicism/Christianity, Smith and Affleck had made the story about Islam and Mohammad. What would happen. 3. He is to imagine that, instead of Kevin Smith making "Red State", needling Christian insanity at the Westboro Baptist Church, he had instead made "Islamic State", and made the story about an insane imam and his flock. What would happen. These are three things Ben Affleck may not have thought about. But he should. Enlightenment seeking Muslims need their voices heard and repeated, not any criticism of Islam silenced and shamed.

I think this was a beautiful analysis. I'd seen a clip of this when it first happened and this was my first time seeing the whole thing. I already respected Harris as a reasonable person, I just enjoy the way he comes to his conclusions. Batman just wasn't on his level, so many knee jerk reactions, unwilling to try understand them and throwing out the "R" word so easily. You can see at one point when Affleck goes to talk (rant) and Maher and Harris just syncro sigh, summed up the whole thing

Excellent work Dave, the purest review of this topic. Orders of magnitude better than TYT and Cenk's confirmation bias.

"They hold beliefs that are deeply troubling." Boy does this ring true for so many religious groups.

Even IF Sam were saying that Islam (the Koran, and other associated doctrine) is the mother lode of bad ideas, full stop. What is the problem with that? Not all ideologies, including religious ones, are created equal. One has to be the worst. At least Christianity has the tempering influence of Jesus, and his love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek philosophy. Muhammad was a warlord who spread the religion through violent conquest, and killing apostates (while it's certainly been done in the name of Christianity) is not actually one of it's tenets.

Poor Ben is so caught up in and led by emotion and just can't take not being able to use his celebrity status to run over these men.

That is much better than Cenks' rants

Any chance Cenk will watch this? He is unbelievably, pathetically off base on this. Thanks for providing clarity.

Who in here agree that Rubin made a better report thank Cenk did on this issue? I do.

This is the nuance and level of detail I've grown to expect and respect from the tyt network. This is how you do a follow up video. Not Cenks "not apology" video. That was... Disheartening. Thumbs up for being awesome.

When you have a good head on your shoulders and can think for yourself...or even just critically for a bit, then it’s only a matter of time before you land on the conservative side of the fence. Love your channel, Dave.

How sad the Hollywood group ignores the important stuff. Living in their own bubble.

13:31 Ben Affleck having a really rough day.

we must take the emotions out of this subject and think rationally. Every empire in human history has grown out of the peoples ignorance, division and genocide.

I love it when good looking, successful actors reveal themselves to be devoid of intellect. Makes me feel better about myself.

Ben Affleck is known as a someone in the the movies to me and holds no influence over me. He is passionate about pushing his agenda by name calling and being loud, but not facts and logic.

Islamophobia isn’t a real thing because a phobia is irrational

I was hoping to hear Cara Santa Maria weigh in on this issue too, but Dave did a great analysis here! Dave > Cenk

Great video. Agree completely.

Ted Bundy wasn't gay... Was that the comparison Ben was trying to make at 18:20? Normally I'm a huge Ben Affleck fan, but he came across entirely uninformed in more ways than one in this debate.

I think it's pretty clear what Sam Harris means when he says "Islam is the motherlode of bad ideas". Why apologize for him and say he probably didn't mean that the Quran is worse than other holy books? Sam's point is not that people are manipulating the Quran; his point is that the Quran has many bad ideas and it's not hard to draw a straight line from it to violence and subjugation. This liberal idea that "all religions are equal, all holy books are equal" is exactly the idea that is being criticized when Sam Harris says "We have to be able to criticize bad ideas". In other words, we can't just pretend that all religious ideas are the same.

wow. ben affleck completely and continuous ran roughshod here. he clearly did not understand what sam harris said and reacted with belligerence and sadly to see arrogance. geez ben, get it togetha. you look pretty unintelligent here.

Much better understanding of the situation great job, I wish the main show had taken this step by step like this instead of using their already set hatred of Bill Maher and going off.

It demonstrates that you can be stupid and yet make it as an actor/director. That's also why Hollywood types think they have political opinions that the common folk should adopt.

Very good assessment of the debate. 100 % fair and correct. Good video.

Amazing job! I've been watching the videos made by the other TYT hosts such as Cenk and John, but have been frustrated by their lack of a deep understanding of what was actually said and their use of soundbites. Thank you so very much for actually doing an in-depth, detailed, and intelligent analysis of what was said on Real Time. I'd really love it if you'd be on TYT more often, especially if you had discussions like this one with Cenk and the other hosts. Keep up the amazing work!

Dave Rubin and David Pakman sympathize with Sam Harris. Less than a year later and The David Pakman Show is no longer part of TYT Network and Rubin is off TYT. Is this a coincidence? I wish Pakman and Rubin would open up on why they left. It may just be a coincidence that they disagree on this and shortly after are gone but it does seem fishy. I support them. Cenk is often misogynistic and also has a hard time being critical of groups of which his family affiliate.

Why does Hollywood think it’s smart? Why do we care what court jesters think? Ben Affleck is an over paid clown. Go study your lines, entertainer

Wow. The first rational response to this on TYT. Well done Dave. I hope Cenk watches this.

Unsubscribed from TyT, subscribed to this channel. Rational break down, awesome, thank you for not playing to the sheep.

After still being upset about the interview, that Cenk did with Reza Aslan, this was very refreshing. Thank you, Dave!

Ben Affleck isn’t smart enough to have an intelligent conversation with anyone.

Rubin's poise, respect, and linguistical analysis should have headlined this story on the TYT main show. He mentioned at the start the media hype with altered edits and gross misinterpretations, of which I have found Cenk Uygur to have been one of the worst for doing just that. If Rubin had been on that original TYT panel, he might have brought more class and rational evaluation to this subject, as opposed to Cenk's sensationalism and misquotes that feed Cenk's agenda. Rubin correctly pointed out the clear and concise points made by Harris, and how Affleck was horribly obtuse and intentionally argumentative in opposition to a intellectual discussion. Thanks Dave, this was amazingly done.

Bravo Dave I'm very impressed with your video spot on not to be misconstrued in any context. I hope Cenk will give Sam Harris equal time as I just watched that train wreck of a TYT interview with Reza, it would be even better if you did the TYT interview

Dave, since you were at least thoughtful enough to admit you haven't seen the polls: www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/ It's a shame you haven't been part of any of Cenk's panels on this subject.

If IS couldn't fill a double A ballpark, and there are hundreds of millions of Muslims in the region who are appalled by their radical behavior, as Affleck says........ then explain to me how a radical group of 40,000 people still exists in the face of those odds.

This should be embarrassing for Aflec.

Ok. I saw the whole thing again without your comments after seeing your comments.You have proven something which I admit I didnt see.Ben took a lot of things out of context. I'm under the impression that he has heard Harris and Maher on the past expressing themselves about Islam and he was ready to fire away.And I've heard Maher and Harris said a lot of out of place comments before about muslims. I agree with a lot of what Harris says. But Dave, it seems that everytime Ben makes an out of place argument you attack him. And every time Maher or Harris make a bad point you excuse them. You say that it was a little off but not big deal and you brush it off away. It is a big deal.Harris said that Islam is the motherload of bad ideas. It is not. There are bad ideas on all religions, religions also had a lot of good ideas and changed world ethics in some maners. He is mixing the horrific acts of extremist groups and allocating them on the beliefs of others. Thats what he is implying, Maybe he didnt frase it. But that what it means between the lines. He is more well spoken than Maher, because Maher has said so very directly in the past. Sure Harris says that there are others that are not like that. But Maher comes out with his billion Muslim argument wich puts all in the same basket. Harris does not correct him, he goes on. So the build up of the conversation builds toward those out of hand points. Ofcourse Affleck is putting too much fire before they even start.Harris talks about empowering that suppose minority that he is pulling out of his ass based an unnamed poll. But tell me. What on earth does he do to empower them? All he does is critizise their religión. For the avarege people who see that show or some other he talks in will come out disliking muslims more, even if he doesnt even mean it. US is already very anti islam in many ways. We dont need Sam Harris to make it worse making generalizations, he should work to make distinctions. He tried on Bill Maher Show, but he fell short and maybe because Affleck didnt let him speak. But I've seen Harris speak many times. Even on debates. And I dont see him making distinctions there either. I'm an atheist Dave, I've been hearing Maher for years. I didnt knew Harris back then. But I've hear almsost every video that Dawkins makes and I used to follow Dawkins. And this New Atheists like them are doing the same thing and its very, very distructive and alienating.

Moving from Cenk to Rubin. Havent heard anything from Ana or any of my other favorites on TYT yet though. Very good analysis Dave! I hope Cenk sees it.

I never realized how low Ben's IQ is.

Ben Affleck clearly doesn't listen very well or else he just doesn't comprehend the discussion.

I love how mopey Ben looks at around 13:30

Thanks Dave. I needed that after listening to Cenk and Reza rip on Harris for almost an hour.

if I were Sam, I would have thrown a book at him and told him to shut up

just another example that people forget Ben and others who 'act' for a living are actors who clearly are not qualified to 'act' to be expert in anything but acting -and sometimes not even that.