Zero was a clothing company created by Jamie Thomas before Zero skateboards were around. There was even an advertisement for Zero in a Toy Machine video before JT left and started making boards under the Zero brand. I’m not 100% sure if his shirt is by Jamie Thomas’ Zero although I was always under the impression it was due to the design and colour. Zero skateboards starting after he wore the shirt is irrelevant because there was a clothing company called zero being started by the same people who went on to do boards at that time.

@@thomasbaines585 Like I said, I don't have any concrete proof one way or another, but I can not find anything on google that suggests the Jamie Thomas Zero brand pre-dates 1996. If you could link me to a video or a website that shows the Zero Clothing brand was around pre-1995 I'll happily take that into consideration. I'm always open to new information.

My only point was that Zero Skateboards was not the start of the Zero brand. The design/font and use of a star is that of the skateboard company Zero. It’s been a minute since I saw it but I think JT talks about it in a podcast called “The 9 Club”

@@thomasbaines585 I tried searching "Jamie Thomas Zero Clothing" and all the results were still pointing to 1996. From what I can tell, the clothing company WAS around before the skateboard company, but it was still in 1996. "In 1995, Jamie joined Toy Machine, a small skateboarding company. During his time with them, he attempted the dangerous "Leap of Faith" at Point Loma High School in San Diego. It is from this jump that the Leap of Faith gap in School II of Tony Hawk's Pro Skater 2 originated. In 1996, Thomas opened up a small clothing company which would later become Zero Skateboards." If you or anyone could post a timestamp in that "The Nine Club" interview where Jamie mentions the origin of Zero Clothing/Skateboards it would be much appreciated.

m.kzfaq.info/get/bejne/nslldM-DubqyqGQ.html It’s a 3 1/2 hour podcast so I can’t timestamp. Hopefully that will contain some information a google search can’t deliver. Even if it’s not got any definitive proof (honestly don’t remember exactly what was said) it should go in more detail of Zero’s origins or at the very least entertain.

Even weirder when you see long hair Billy from the Gish era.

Even weirder when you realise that you're not real

Long haired Billy and shaved head Billy were both a cool look, it's short haired Billy that always struck me as weird. He looks so strange in the Cherub Rock and Today videos.

He shaved because he went bald fast. Nothing to do with his "explanation"

@@LarsRyeJeppesen Exactly. He was wearing the zero shirt before he shaved his head and was even wearing it with hair in the Mellon Collie cd booklet thing.

i’m getting the sp zero hoodie tomorrow and a zero beanie😈😈😈😈😈

I’m doing well. Hope you are also still rockin!

The world is a vampire

His was the skateboard brand too, at least originally.

Those who did never cared about his music or band in the first place. so fuck em.

+Bekkah Jennah it's just the record label thinking he wasn't good looking enough

Kids can be cruel, it's a fact of life, get over it.

I always thought he was hot! I love his smile!

I know!!!

Because he’s the reason the band broke up originally he did everything but the drums and didn’t listen to the other members input and the reason Darcy wretsky is mentally ill

I used to work at Reverb, when he came in for his EHX OP Muff release he wore a cloak and no one could look at him when he walked in the office lol

He threatened to punch a fan in the face simply because he walked on stage. That’s why.

Corgan's a hardworking genius but also a musical auteur who's notoriously unsentimental towards his bandmates and childishly petty when other people attempt to collaborate with him. He recorded every string track on Siamese Dream himself because he didn't think James and D'arcy were taking it seriously enough, and "I could do their parts better and faster anyway". The only reason it wasn't a solo album in all but name was because Billy didn't know how to play drums, so instead he just browbeat Jimmy constantly and made him do hundreds of takes until his hands bled. For the entire life of the band Billy was constantly mad and disappointed in the other 3 Pumpkins, and he'd say so publicly when anybody asked in an interview. His relationship with D'arcy and Jimmy was especially bad, and it did neither of them any good at all to have Angry Dad Billy constantly reminding them they weren't measuring up. Lots of bands have domineering lead singers but I'm amazed neither of them quit the band after Siamese Dream. The money must have been astonishingly good.

He's very empathic. His ego is him defending himself

What's your favorite hot wheels?

@TROPICAL SUMMER!! Do you have any rock solid proof?

Matthew Chastain I forgot ...Apparently I’m suffering from dementia.

But seriously my favorite is The General Lee ..No not because of the confederate flag ..because I grew up watching The Dukes of Hazzard.

@@jasonwhite7452 Dodge Charger 1969??? Great Car ❤

He wasn't a grunge rocker, though. They were more alternative than grunge.

@@crackawood i believe vedder stomps all of them :)

What's a grunge?

@@ryline666 Grunge is a musical (and cultural) scene from Seattle most during the early 90's. It has its time and space peculiarity, so Smashing Pumpkins was never a grunge band, they were just contemporary of the scene (and beacuse of that have a lot of similarities, but they are not grunge).

He's so beautiful.

I still have mine from 2.05.97. It was my first concert. I ended up on this video after some reminiscing since Fountains of Wayne's bassist just died from Covid today and they were the opening band that night. RIP Adam.

twitter.com/SmashingPumpkin/status/1284241768637247488?s=20

I still have mine!

We all do. We are..

Went to a SP concert for the first time last year and i bought one

So save your prayers For when yer really gonna need em

wanna go for a ride?

Great story.

I think thats the more likely explanation. Infact Billy's explanation doesn't make too much sense since he was wearing the Zero shirt months before he shaved his head.

Could be both reasons but his hair looked pretty thick before the shave

@@Rxz5526 actually in pictures during the recording of MCIS you could see it was thinning.

@@Rxz5526 No it was thinning noticeably by 1995

Rockstars don't like to admit they are balding. Look at how The Edge and Steve Van Zandt still cover their heads. But baldness fits Billy.

Thank you, by none other than the great Jamie Thomas.

Thier boards last a lifetime

But is his t-shirt from the brand?

@Teh Modest Mouse not unless they had a time machine since the company was started after billy Corgan wore the shirt.

Skateboard company started in 1996, the video for bullet with butterfly wings where he wore it was released in 1995, obviously recorded before it was released.

they better catch these hands fr.

Average people are ugly to the industry because the industry is so out of touch with reality.

fr he was always attractive to me

@@everydayuseemail849 I ain't even gon lie tho dat boy Billy got mad squabbles I seen him chunk em a few times an dat boy got handz!

So where did you get it?

people give zero such a negative reputation when in fact it is neither positive nor negative.

@@matthutt7697 Haha, good one. :) Zero is one of the best numbers. There is a Numberphile video on YT explaining the unique properties of zero. :)

Chief!

lol that's what i clicked to see but it might be a different shirt

He was wearing that shirt in early 1995 im pretty sure zero came out some time around 1997 or 1999

@@xanakinskywoker1817 96/97 yeah to be fair I didn't think of how early Billy was wearing the shirts I honestly thought they were from Zero Skateboards lol

@@xanakinskywoker1817 hmm who knows lol maybe Jamie Thomas was a fan of his 😂🤷🏾‍♂️

What? they don't even make remotely the same music, let alone "rock" lol

@@Ryan-iv5fr i say that because Kanye has called him self a rock god

@@jnsaudio81 kanye as much as i love the guy is narcissistic af

I can definitely relate to your story, man. I'm twenty years younger than you, but I feel the same things you do (or did). I know it's not much, but just know that you are not alone. Believe in yourself and love yourself. Love your family too (obviously). I'm sending you a big hug :)

@@youreallygotmenow4855 Hey 👋 thank you very much!!! I am very lucky to have a wife, two grown boys, two beautiful granddaughters, and a mother that would walk the world for me that love me unconditionally. And I love them, but loving myself????????? IDK let's just say I'm tolerating myself, but working on it. Me not working because of the "RONA" has me all messed up. See I live in Vegas and I drive a limo for a living and Vegas isn't anywhere close yet to getting back to speed, there aren't many tourists that need black car service, so here I sit. Anyways I don't know if you celebrate Christmas, but if you do I hope you have a wonderful time. Thanks again sending prayers to you and yours. Sincerely, ZERO702

@@vitron01 keep blasting the pumpkins!! Happy holidays!!

You are hear for a reason my friend. Embrace that and live your best life. Thanks for sharing your story.

Your open heart and honesty prove you are no Zero. I really wish you all the happiness in the world for the 2nd half of your life buddy.

😂 Plus, he's lying. And his story about shaving his head is a lie, too. He shaved his head because he was going bald! 👩‍🦲💀

Far more basic and wrong version of what Billy said but ok

He was going bald. If he werent, he wouldve grown it back years ago

Who isn't? LOL. Burr is awesome but the Mt. Vesuvious of pent up rage that doesn't always stay pent.

If you look closely his left hand has a reddish colour

You can see it in this clip at about 40secs

He shows it on the cover photo of TheFutureEmbrace, look it up. And his first band was called The Mark because of his and a bandmate’s birthmarks.

He wore it a year before the company started, so he must have had a time machine. The skate company ripped him off, not the other way around.

@@SickDaddy SoloSkateMag.com has an interesting article with Jamie Thomas about the history of ZERO. It actually came from another company he was involved with. It was just coincidental.

lol same

i wasnt alive in the 90s but im a huge smashing pumpkins fan and i think billy before he was bald was really cute and attractive(esp with long hair) i always wondered if girls my age in the 90s thought he was cute this finally answers my questions😂😂

@@silverfck Ha, yeah, I just assumed he shaved his head to kind of 'stop' the pretty boy association, so it wouldn't override the music. God knows, or maybe he was just moving with the times; when that kind of 'the Matrix/weirdo' look which was starting to happen around then (compared to the cardigan op-shop looking grunge lot) esp with the more industrial metal bands like Marilyn Manson, 9 inch nails and ministry ... and carried on with some of nu-metal bands 5 or 6 years later. Funny really coz the pumpkins album with 'rhinoceros' on it was released the same time as never-mind (nirvana), but it wasn't really a hit (I used to hear it on college radio mainly. loved it! ) unlike nirvana, pearl jam etc. Siamese dream was a different story 2 or 3 years later (massive hit). So it kind of seemed at the time like they came out later; post grunge or whatever.

It is and it was. He changes the story often lol

@@analogsignal how the fuck is it a shirt from the skateboard brand when Billy wore it a year before the company was even founded?

Source, I live it.

The skate company actually ripped it off because the band didn't trademark the shirt at the time.

That is what the shirt was, but he wore it for his own personal meaning. He then made it his iconic signature shirt and later got the copyright from Zero Skateboards so he could sell it as Smashing Pumpkins merch.

But yep. You were right all this time.

DRG What's the truth? He was losing his hair

Apparently it was taken at a solar power plant in the Mojave Desert.

@@obscuredsatellitesinflight6034 thanks big dawg

Wait are you serious?

twitter.com/SmashingPumpkin/status/1284241768637247488?s=20

Billy Corgan is rumored to be a eunuch

@@angeleliofthefamilydiaz1226 People with marfan's syndrome also usually grow to be very tall but have very low testosterone, so they usually need to take injections to have normal levels.

So true. For Gen X it was better to fail than to sell out.

Sub Pop Records also sold “ LOSER” t-shirts in the ‘90s. And Nirvana had songs called “I Hate Myself And Want To Die,” “Rape Me,” “Negative Creep,” & “Dumb.” Something in the water up in Seattle that makes people loathe themselves and become deranged commies... No wonder they frequently turn to heroin. Have to admit they had the best music of any city in the ‘90s, though. Manchester would be my pick for best musical city of the ‘80s.

Or maybe they were just depressed?

This is a pretty good observation about that time and how they were marketing However, i think it was a real symbol of how it felt to be a teenager anywhere Soundgarden had many songs that depicted lack of self worth as did Alice In Chains The real essence of the times were being exploited thru these bands yes. And it was cool to be depressed which itself had a consequence