People get desperate when you take away all their rights.

@@MarcusTheJRexcept he still had rights. All he had to do was contest the adoption legally.

@GreenBeanTM I've been in the foster care system. It takes months for the issues to be fixed. And that young man probably doesn't have any resources.. So he chose violence. If your okay with someone making life choices, without you having a say so, then do you

@@MarcusTheJR he also left. So the decision was made before he came back. Imo the second he walked out sealed his decision of not wanting the kid so he doesn’t get a say. There also organizations set up to help parents fight for custody if they can’t afford a private lawyer. He had options and choosing violence was only going to work against him, not help him.

@@MarcusTheJR it was still his fault.

No he said he need try to talk to her for mouths with an s meaning for the 1-9 mouth when he found out and got that job he need try to talk to her or her parents but they stop him he didn't abandon them or her Would you want to have no job your mother sick like really sick try to help your mum then fine out your going to be an dad it to much stress All we know he was told that after he lost his job and his mum was sick for me as an teen to see this I would be horror find like I would be so stress I would be out of the pitcher then come back then it cool down like mum not sick I got an good job I hade time to think then get block from the mother of your baby can't talk to them untill the birth of your baby but hey that can't be me why I am an girl not an boy Don't take the girl side look at the bigger picture your don't know the parents could hate him an block him from the gf mama baby life and lie to her we dont know ahnahh

does that mean if a mom takes the child and abandons a dad for years, she has no right to come back 12 years later and demand child support? using your logic

​@@alicatfelix5144 he literally never said he tried calling her for months. What he said was "you never answer my calls" and then basically admitted he wouldn't be there without the job. He could have come to her at any time before that, but he waited until he heard from her friend that she was in the hospital. Just proof that he obviously didn't try very hard.

@@craigclermond8001 your comment has no logic because no one was talking about child support. she wasn't keeping the baby, she was giving it away because theyre both high schoolers.

@@hexes5122 maybe youre slow. I brought up the point because a comment said he loss his rights because he wasn't there for 9 months. I pointed out there are many cases where guys arent even told they have a kid and years later the mom can just come back and demand payments. Tired of the bs double standard. High schooler or not he should have rights if the child is his.If she doesn't want the child as the dad he should have the option to take responsibility before giving it to a stranger. At the very least he should have say in who adopts the child. Its sickening society sees dads as less than human.

He's a teenager, I'm pretty sure that knowledge won't fly across his head unless an adult told him about it.

@@Annah.k not all teens are mentally capable

People are saying “he could’ve contested it in court” this wasn’t just about the baby. This whole thing was him wanting BOTH his ex and baby, even after shooting her father he expected her to want him. Thats why he came to the hospital w/ a gun instead of to a lawyers office, a lawyer can’t force his girlfriend back.

Then he should have no right to raise a child

Now… his life is ruined.

That wasn't the grandmother, that the adoptive mother. But I agree with you. He was wrong the moment he showed claiming he made a mistake. He had 9 months to realize he wanted to be with her.

Cowards and faint-hearted runaways Look for orations when the foe is near: Our swords shall play the orators for us.

He had his chance and he blew it.

@@angelicanewton2458 no those were lilys parents

@@crystaleuwing8411 No, the dad was man was the girls father. The woman was the adoptive mother. The girl even said she was adopting her baby.

Thank god !

What tipped you off? The shooting people?

Yeah Sherlock

Don't you mean any PARENT like him? There are some sick mothers out there as well and they get let off the hook until the child is DISCOVERED that it's near death or worse dead within days, weeks, months, or sometimes years later

@@CowFairy No need to be sarcastic. Do you parents know that you have an account. You have to be 13 to have an account you know this right?

Natalie gets a lot of hate but I do love how much she cares for a lot of her female patients especially those who are teenagers/young girls

@@laurenorourke2442 me aswell

Natalie is that character I don't understand. Her late husband was a US army ranger yet at the same time she's completely anti-gun. Even if he was still alive I guarantee you he would have said guns don't kill people people kill people. We live in a city with extreme liberal progressive anti-gun laws yet has the highest gun violence in America. I don't know her husband but then again that's exactly the way he would say it. I remember discovering how he just lost his life in Afghanistan never got to come home to his witness his son being born

2:07 gun shot

How come the girl had scratches on her face?

Agreed

Given how many defending him are also spouting men's right and incel rhetoric they'd probably do the exact same thing or something worse because someone said no to them.

Communication is must between girlfriend and her boyfriend. He just abandoned her after finding out that she was pregnant with his child. She never responded to her call made by him and she skipped the part where he might be ready to become father of her child. Both should be put on jail because both of these teenage couple I mean the boyfriend and girlfriend are ones to cause the havoc due to lack of communication between them then leading the father to this. This not about rights of what gender they belong to. This problem of their communication between this girlfriend and her boyfriend. I think both should be arrested for creating havoc.

Not to mention, he ran from the hard part of the pregnancy and is only showing up when he thinks she is ready to pop. When the honeymoon phase of Fatherhood fades and he realizes that taking care of a baby is actual work, who is to say he won't just dip again? Leave the mom to deal with all the hard parts of parenting and then come back when the baby is able to play and be independent?

@@ayajade6683 LOL more straw man attacks.

I think he lost his mind. He was emotional and not thinking clearly. I wish someone either from the hospital or one if her parents could have talked to him and discussed if he was really ready for the responsibility. He could try to be in the kids life in a clear headed fashion rather than thinking emotionally, and losing it and bringing a gun into a hospital and insisting on running away with his ex girlfriend and the baby.

Maybe but he left her during her pregnancy.

@@trinitylivingston1286 Legally speaking that wouldn't be taken into account

He wouldn’t have gotten the kid even if he had contested the adoption. No judge in their right mind would grant full custody to a teenager with no job, no source of income, and no home stability. Also it wasn’t about getting the baby. He wanted his ex back and thought she’d take him back if he stepped up last minute, that’s why he brought the gun. He always planned on using force if she said no to being with him again

@@slashymarauderness Yes it absolutely would. If he was mia the whole pregnancy and she didn't put him on the birth certificate her has no legal rights to the baby. From that point on he can try to contest it but it is out of baby moms hands

@@trinitylivingston1286 No, it absolutely would not. We live in the days of DNA. If he contested the adoption, his relationship with the mother is absolutely irrelevant if he can prove he's the father.

I see that. I think what some of us mean is that he’s still legally the father until he signs over his parental rights. Legally being a father doesn’t make you a good father, certainly.

And yet, he still has the legal right to contest the adoption, up to the ppint of forcing a DNA test if she claims she doesn't know. But none of that makes for a medical drama.

Yeah but he said he was going through a hard time with his mother being sick and stuff when he first found out. It doesn't matter if he changes his mind. That's his baby he should have the right to it too.

@@MissKitae and yet he decided to shoot her father, force her to give birth at gun point and then attempt to kidnap the child

@@ashlynfoust4400 so that gives him the right to abandon his family? Everyone goes through hard times but you don't see them holding the mother of his child, and a whole hospital at gun point

And still shouts out for him like she still cares about him when he got shot. Almost like a moment where you don't realize what you have until it's gone

Not to mention nearly killing her/their child by refusing to let the doctors take care of them/denying them the medical treatment they clearly needed 😡

@@Ray_Shabaz Oh, come on! Can’t even imagine ALL the emotions she was feeling/will be feeling afterwards! Despite everything he did, they were in a relationship/he’s the FATHER of her child. I’m sure she wanted him to be punished, but I highly doubt she wanted him dead!!!

Biological mothers (and father) both need to be involved in the decision for adoption. Otherwise it can lead to sever issues down the line. What the mother did here ( despite him breaking mentally and abandoning her) was the incorrect way to approach an adoption cause aside of the father actually having rights in this scenario it also puts the adoptive parents at risk down the line of dad fights back in the court system. However this made for better entertainment television.

@@theotherstar7040 I completely agree w/ both biological parents being involved in the adoption process, but David flat removed HIMSELF from the situation/made no effort to be involved/just left her to deal w/ it by herself! Sorry, but personally I just feel like you don’t get to bail on responsibility for nearly a year/waltz back at last sec & demand you suddenly have a say 😐

Correct he made his Choice and now he regrets it. If he wants the baby he needs to go through court.

I disagree, if you don’t want the baby anyway and the father seems to really care about the child the father should have a say on adoption, you have every right to say he’ll be a single father but no right to say he doesn’t have a right to care for his child

@@ultrasoulviver no he doesn't he abandoned her for nine MONTHS if he did not want to get involved then he shouldn't be involved now

@@stephenchapasko5185 he abandoned the mother for 9 months not the baby, a father’s responsibility doesn’t start until birth, then it’s up to the to them provide, as I’ve said she had the right to say you’ll be a single parent.

A mother has 6 months AFTER an adoption to change her mind. Why is a father not given the same choice

He has all the rights to his child

@maahiahmed9903 He lost his rights the moment he ditched her. Even more so when he pulled the gun on his child’s grandfather. You don’t get to have the easy way out while your girlfriend puts up with whatever that you put in her.

He left her for NINE months

To be fair, he was trying to take that responsibility. He ditched that the moment he pulled out that gun, though.

Because he's psychotic.

Why is he not legally the father?

@@Rachel-xg7hs if the baby’s adoptive parents and the birth mother already made legal agreements on the adoption then the adoptive father is the legal father

@@icedboba1446 Without the biological father ever signing over his parental rights?

@@Rachel-xg7hs he never had rights

David deserved it

Ikr that was pretty badass

​@@philipcearley1992No he didn't.

@@trivonnereid769 Babe... how. & no, don't answer that, because he 100% did deserve it

@@philipcearley1992 His life was forfeit the moment he pointed his gun at innocent people.

I know right?

It’s just a show based off real situations

@@rixyz7013 I know, im just making jokes

You think that is bad? Wait till you hear about this hospital in Seattle called Grey Sloan!

Personally, I think it's to be expected when you live in a place like Chicago.

you probaly gave up achild without consent from the dad

@@ayhamerraiyani1259 try being unreasonable like the father in the video. You’ll see this situation will make you act insane

@@ayhamerraiyani1259 the dad was.... threatening everyone with a gun and even shot the mom's father?? no way you and four others are actually offended by the comment LOL

@@cinnarenaroll1292 I think you meant for that to be for the original comment, although Ayham’s comment may be uncalled for if it’s not true

Well there was a reason he wasn't considered. Do you think if their relationship was good that they would have left him out?

Well, I’m a nurse I don’t think I would’ve helping you play. Stupid games win stupid prizes.

@@Americanpatriot-zo2tk fair enough

Yeah, considering everything he just put them through! Don’t know if I’d be so quick to help someone who just spent possibly hours threatening to kill me & my friends cuz things didn’t go their way due to them not taking responsibility for their choices! But, they still stepped up/did their jobs cuz it’s the right thing to do!

​@@jillians.6930me: " i bet 20 dollars he dies ".

Well I mean, he was good as dead. That shot was incredibly precise and intended to end the target’s life. The best doctors in the world won’t be able to help him lol

But it's full time!

That's not enough to support yourself, let alone a spouse and child, and a sick mother to boot.

@@choryllis6646 100% agree

Soooo? The baby should be striped away? Lol

@@marcklemoff9382 I’m not here to tell other people what to do. However that’s gonna impact your child in the long run. If it were me I wouldn’t have even kept it. I would’ve been at the clinic as soon as I found out.

Not a nurse she's the president of the hospital

@@spIasher mb mb Im not a full show watcher, but holy craps its been 9 months my g

Tell me about it! I definitely couldn’t have done that! She’s totally badass!!!

I know

@@rezaulkarim9198 Still feel bad for her cuz she clearly knew David wasn’t evil/had evil intentions, but he clearly was a threat to Lily/their child & her staff & she made the right choice to protect them all

@@rezaulkarim9198 David should have just listened to her from the start & he might have had a chance to be a part of his son’s life. Now, like Goodwin said, he has NO CHOICE 😔

@@jillians.6930 I agree

No

@@yellowhearrts Precisely

A (very bad) lawyer could use this as an (admittedly poor) defense that he'd be willing to do anything for his child.

He's a Killer ! 😠

@@brotherdaniel1524 Yeah he's a Monster !

He's just making an excuse for his actions, it's NOT!

This is what happens when you're pushed to your limits. When you feel powerless and everything is being striped from you. The mother and her parents are on top of this untouchable pyramid and are stripping YOUR kid from you, then they assault YOU and have YOU escorted away by security.

He intially said he didn't want the baby for 9months the girl's family were the ones taking care of her and the baby.the day of the operation he surfaced what was the family to do

@@marcklemoff9382 maybe he shouldn't have left for almost an entire year of her pregnancy. 9 months is almost a year.

@@trinitylivingston1286 About the kid not th emother, he owes the mother nothing.

That's what I'm thinking. If you're going to give up a project halfway through, you can't then be mad at your partner for finishing the project a different way than you wanted. You left them to do all the heavy lifting by themselves, so of course they're going to do things their way.

thats actually not how it works. he has rights once that baby is born until the courts take them away. without them being married he would have to have a paternity test, and then file for custody/joint.

@@IrishHeart Exactly. Biological paternity, under the law, gives automatic legal rights to the child. The courts would need a reason to take that away such as him waving a gun around. But any other case, they would likely side with the biological father if it was an issue that the mother attempted to give a child up for adoption without a good faith effort to obtain his consent.

He has no rights to the child at that time as the mother did not list him as father of the child. He does have the right to legally contest for paternity and through that custody which he could do at any time before and after birth. But until he goes through the courts he doesn't have any rights to the child.

@@IrishHeart well not after holding everyone hostage in the er. He basically did almost killed and/or lead to Rhodes and Lilys dads deaths and held a bunch of other people hostage.

you havent experienced this type of situation then you cant understand it...obviously

​@@theofficialphoenixtv5765 doesn't take a genius to know that he's clearly unhinged and a danger to everyone around him.

@@theofficialphoenixtv5765 I hope people haven't experienced being held hostage at gunpoint

I know right! The dude obviously dipped on her when he found out she was pregnant. He had 9 months to decide if he wanted the kid or not and he waits till the moment the kid is about to be handed over?

one can validate a persons feelings and understand how one could have such feelings without actually thinking they are good, or een bad. Its called looking at it from others perspectives doesnt mean you cant also see it from her perspective and ultimately think he was out of line. Like, according to him, he made calls and has been trying to contact her for some time now. I dont think that excuses running at first, but it does mean he was trying and she wouldnt even answer and say what she planned or even to say hey please stop or etc.. not that she truly should be expected (esp if he was toxic abusive when together!) But you can UNDERSTAND these things without agreeing. I think hes nuts but I think he probably wouldnt be "nuts" if there was a healthy communicated plan from , say, her parents or soemone else to avoid making it harder on her. Then that way he could properly deal with the feelings without it being condensed to a few short hours presumably before its too late. But, also, if he truly was stable and wanted to be dad to his son, that would be his opportunity to put money where mouth is on his job and place etc etc..

My thoughts exactly. He up and left her to deal with the pregnancy alone basically the moment she told him she was pregnant. And then he refused to contact her until the day she was giving birth. "You weren't answering my calls," my ass. Buddy, you had anywhere between 6 - 8 months to tell her you wanted to be a dad, and you didn't. You waited until the very last second to do it.

@@choryllis6646 and that has no bearing on his rights as a father as legally he does not have to support the mother durring pregnancy as you all say his rights do not start until after the baby is born so his responsibility also does not start until after the baby is born so no he does not have to stay and yes he can just turn up after the baby is born and demand his rights and he will get them you cannot have it both ways

@@olivia-yz1wi He won't "get them"? He would have to go to court. And a judge would be unlikely to give a teenager making minimum wage sole custody of a child.

What makes him think he can take the baby after who knows how long? You run from it, there's no take backs. So really, there was no rights, and it cost him his life. If he doesn't make it that is.

hes dead jim

I have seen cases where the bio dad did not want custody of the kid, but did want visitation and parental rights, and was able to force the mom to keep and raise the kid and give him visitation.

They probable didn't talk to him because he acts like this.

@@kellharris2491 thats not an excuse

@@SugarCubesMiki I mean, it kind of is. Lack of education can make people do crazy things because they don't realize there's a better way.

​@@SugarCubesMiki he abandoned her for majority of the pregnancy and resorted to violence instead of taking legal action

Yep and shooting ppl and thus putting the baby and his mother in MORE danger. If he cared at all rather than being self righteous within his own ego, he'd never have brought a gun around his baby like that but even then, once he knew the mother and baby were in real danger, he would have backed off and had the doctors do all they needed to do be sure that baby would be ok.

Well he actually does

The grandfather used force first and also he still has legal rights to the baby and had a real case especially when being forcibly removed by someone without authorization though he lost all that after he pulled the gun but had he not then he would’ve been in the right here because he did try to contact her

@@whatsomeonesaidwastaken9216 It doesn't work that way and since you brought it up, the grandfather to be was protecting HIS child. No, after the way he acted before, he has no rights.... Those have to be EARNED also..... he wasn't "just protecting his baby" he's a freaking psychopath who has no business being around any child, including any he's related to. He's clearly mentally unstable, what part of that don't you understand? He was mentally ill and even taking that into consideration, it still doesn't make what he did ok. The CHILD'S rights come first and has the right to be PROTECTED from someone so severely mentally ill. Ppl like him end up abusing children, including their own. Ppl like him often end up killing their kids, then everyone would point out how everyone knew how mentally unstable he was and shouldn't have been allowed to be with the child. The child is a HUMAN LIFE not some possession. There is no "equality" in this and the "father" and the doesn't deserve it nor can he be trusted with it. Anyone that would try to make any of this ok is as deluded and mentally ill as the character.

He didn't. He said he'd been trying to contact her for months and she wouldn't return his calls. How do people keep missing that???

It’s like he thought if he had custody of the baby, he’d still have a relationship with her. But if he wasn’t there for her at the scariest moments, that ship sailed long ago. He could’ve had the baby, possibly pretty easily as she was waiving parental rights, but he wasn’t gonna get what he thought he could.

What that means is: even normal men can be driven to commit extreme violence when they feel that their family and way of life is being threatened.

@@EMkilroy100 is it really his family if he left for most of the pregnancy cuz he didn't want the kid and only changed his mind when the kid was about to come? and honestly the only threat was him

@@EMkilroy100 His way of life would have been exactly the same since he was not involved for the entire pregnancy. Nothing would have changed for him - it would have been as if the pregnancy never happened. And they never were a family. They were in a relationship that ended.

Outcome is life in American jail

he didn't even want his son, he just wanted her and to be in control of their lives. we see it all the time, dude says he wants kids, talks the good dad talk, but when the kid actually shows up and mom needs help, he's too busy playing xbox and getting drunk after work. but god help her if she tries to leave, he didn't authorize that...

@@dietotaku yep

It was insane

I’m glad you’ve seen the episode! Can you tell me if the dad of the girl who gave birth survived?

@@captainwatercress yes! the father survives, and lily keeps the baby after the adoptive mother runs away

Push a man to his limit then taunt him. Goodjob.

@@marcklemoff9382 if you think that's pushing a man to his limit you've lived such a sheltered life you have no idea what the real world is likem imagine believing that losing custody of one child, not even that child dying, is anywhere near the worst that can happen to you! You need to grow up, kiddo.

@@scottmatheson3346 I love you so much.

He seemed to view the mother and child as belonging to him and anyone or anything that comes in between them as enemies, and it completely blinded his judgement. Why would she ever leave the life she has now behind for this clearly unstable guy that just shot her father and nearly got her and her baby killed?

He shot the father for being rude.

@janedoexxhoe First of all that's not a valid reason to shoot anyone. Second of all the dad had every right to be rude cause this kid knocked up his daughter and dipped. And then had the audacity to try and weasel his way back into her life and try to make decisions for her after causing her emotional trauma

@@LadydogC I understand the job and family issues. That doesn't excuse the fact that he didn't even try to contact her until her last month of pregnancy. That's too late. Too late to have a say in the decision. So no, it's up the mother, and in this case since it seems like she's a minor (or at least very young), the parents of the mother get input. Period. You don't just walk out your baby mama's life and expect to be welcomed back with open arms and have a say in what happens to the baby as she's in labor. I'm sure he knew where she lived and could've gone to see her, which means he probably didn't even try to contact her until she started going into labor. He doesn't get to have a say when she went through the entire pregnancy ALONE. He has no right to get mad about a decision they made during the 9-month pregnancy when he was willingly uninvolved.

@@sarahjinnah9981 they literally say that she wasn't answering his calls, and do you really think her father would have let him talk to her if he had shown up on their door? No, he had no right to shoot people, but the one thing he is absolutely correct about is that they legally could not give up the child for adoption without his consent, he did in fact have a right to his child, at least up until he pulled a gun, don't discount the fact that he did in fact try to man up and take responsibility, even if it was too little too late, because it actually was just in time if he had gone the legal route

@@LadydogC he could have still talked to her… told her he didn’t have a job but was looking for one and wants to support them however he can. Even just emotionally supporting her could have changed a lot. Worst case is they choose to give up the child but keep visitation rights and the kid is fostered until either one or both of them are ready to be parents.

I think the problem is literally NO ONE told him he has the legal right to keep his kid regardless of the mother's decision to relinquish her parental rights.

@@helRAEzzzer he could investigated instead of coming back to shot people ...

@@helRAEzzzer I doubt he even asked the question. He was very emotionally unstable, despite saying he was in a better place to take care of the baby and the mother, and I don't think he thought there was any other way around it. He didn't even go to Google and say, "mother giving up baby without father's consent". The staff didn't reach out to him and say, "You can take this option if you still want the baby," but that's also not really their job nor is it generally safe to approach a kid who just got escorted out by security. His immediate reaction was to go home, grab a gun, hold a man at gunpoint, and tell a mother in labor that they're leaving the hospital.

Reasonable men are sometimes forced by society to do unreasonable things. Look at the killdozer guy. Look at every man who has had the woman he loves, his children, his job, his home, his entire life ripped from him. And then the people who did it to him act as if they have the moral high ground, because they forced a man into violence.

...thats the only thing you got outta this?

That's not exactly how that went

American schools preaching abstinence and not teaching contraception is absolutely ridiculous. If you're so religious that you don't believe in contraception then you shouldn't believe in premarital sex either. You can't have it both ways. Obviously people coerced into sex can't help this.

@@KateLate____ ????? okay thanks.

@@KateLate____ "American schools preaching abstinence and not teaching contraception is absolutely ridiculous" 100% agreed! Which is why I will be talking to my son about this MYSELF when he's old enough.

@@KateLate____ They think teaching about protection endorces sex when its absurd its meatly prepares them if they choose to do it

@@informationyes exactly! I listened to lessons about contraception and then waited till I finished school to have sex. Even if you wait till marriage, which has its benefits, you still need to prevent pregnancy if you're getting married during college and don't want a child immediately. Unless you're anti contraception entirely.

1:55 where did he get that gun

@@robertbreschard3493 He probably stole it from his mother or someone else.

Yeah this episode sucked

Yeah but this just shows how emotionally unstable he really was and if he really wanted the baby he should’ve hired a lawyer.

​@@sw8330GKEEPERHe thought this was the best way to get the baby by using violence and force, even putting patients and the mother's life in danger for it.

the court in US rather would put the kid down a meatgrinder than acknowledge fasthers rights.

@@KossolaxtheForesworn Ah, so his decision to infringe on the rights of multiple other people (including putting his own child at risk which he 'cared' so much about by proxy) makes that okay, huh.

9:25 death of david

did we see the same clip. the father wanted the adoption even more, because $

@@brmbklno what I saw Is a dad standing with his child who made the biggest decision ever so all this $ talk is bs

legally not true as legally he has no rights nor responsibility until the baby is born so legally he could just turn up after the baby has just been born and demand his rights and get them as everyone says a father has no rights until the baby is born so logiclly they also have no responsibility until the baby has been born so no he has not lost his rights as the mother is not entiled to any support from him durring the pregnancy unless you want to give him a legal say in the pregnancy and legal rights to attend any and all appointments to do with the unborn child plus have a legal right to be at the birth as responsibility comes with rights you cannot have it both ways

@@olivia-yz1wi yes but as I stated he didn't say I will raise him putting the adoption on hault, and just take her to court for child support. His idea was they will raise the baby together and I'll do it by gun point to get what I want. That's not acting on his rights that's abuse and domestic violence. That is not okay under any circumstances. If he decided to exercise his rights that would be fine especially if he respected her wishes taking full custody, but he decides that he will get what he wants in a illegal immature fashion. That's the difference between a father demanding his rights and getting a lawyer if the hospital and involved parties aren't respecting his right as a father, and what he did.

@@anniewallace3601 i have no issues with your stance on the whole gun thing as i was just pointing out how legally a father does not have to do anything for the mother durring the pregnancy and it cannot be held against him legally as most people in this comment section think a fathers rights depend on if he is there durring the pregnancy when legally that is not the cast at all like i said plus how could he exercise his rights when the mother refused to reply to his calls plus not tell him about the adoption in the first place as he is stated he tried to contact her many times about the baby but she just refused to talk to him or tell him anything making it harder for him to get his child legally now with the whole gun thing then yeah he proves unfit to parent that we agree on but on the other hand he was just a kid so there may be some leeway somewhat as it can be argued that he was not in the right frame of mind at the time due to his mental condition so supervised contact could be given if you know he did not die

And inversely, the mother can 180 on the day of the birth and simply decide that since she isn't ready to be a mother then the baby daddy doesn't deserve to be a father. Or she can find out she's pregnant and immediately ghost the father, get a restraining order and never let him see his child. Or even worse make the wrong man raise a kid he thinks is his. It happens both ways.

That is why my policy is no glove no love

Adoption, yes although if the father is present he can reject it and take care of the kid himself if he wants. Abortion, however, now a whole other deal.

@@braziliankaiser8304 But he wasn't present, he admitted that he wasn't involved during the pregnancy & only reached out in the later stages of the pregnancy (but she had already made the decision of adoption & didn't want to take him back so she ignored his calls). Also, correct me if I'm wrong but 12$/h in Chicago isn't enough to raise a child & pay rent in today's economy!

@@redacted8005 Perhaps put that up to the Judge but I still believe that a biological father should be able to keep his child if he doesn't want to set it to adoption. I am not sure how the living standards are in Chicago, from where I am from 12 dollars even per day would be massive. It's more of a matter of principles that unless the father was completely incapable then he should be able to keep his own kid, remember that the baby wouldn't even exist without him.

THIS

Well the mother never mentioned that she was assaulted or beaten up by him. She was abandoned by him when he finds out she was pregnant with his child. Don't try to add words into other mouths or change the story line without knowing the full knowledge of the situation.

@@ShantiJosephDoss-qq8vq Im baffled by your blissful ignorance... So because he dumped a woman before knowing he impregnanted her, he is allowed to brake into a hospital and kill innocent people because he's sad she doesnt want him near the kid? Branches of the same tree spread the same leaves, I guess

@@ShantiJosephDoss-qq8vq Like that’s any better.

​@@donttellthefbiimhere9426It absolutely is

The baby is better off without him.

At no point was he expecting to be "catered to" but he does have every right to be part of his son's life.

By killing an obsessive man

@@robertbreschard3493 your point? Dude was just doing his job, probably would have been demoted or fired if he didn't. I have no sympathy for a stupid man.

@@robertbreschard3493 Yeah. 👍

No not good they should negotiate and arrest him and not involve swat at all they should negotiate and then arrest him and one of the doctors could have taken him down or taken the gun while he was distracted rather then have swat kill the man

the three people didn’t die. in the full episode they survive.

As far as I know at my nearest hospital they don’t check for weapons you can walk in and just check in for ER and or go through the front and ask or tell the front desk who or what floor you’re looking for.

Bad writing.

He probably stole the gun

Plus, HE put the baby in danger in more ways than one. Then he thought he could be on the run with a girl that could barely move and a newborn..... Even if he got his way, that's not a good or healthy life for a baby to constantly have to be on the run. A parent that actually cares does not do all of that.

Not necessarily. What's best for the child is not always what's best for the father. If the father chose to abandon the baby and the mother, the court would see he is not the right person for the child. Children are not property

Damn...i read the spoiler

@@CM-wv8ns LMFAOOOO

Not his grandmother the woman who was supposed to adopt the baby

yeah and then come back with a lamo pathetic job that only pays a measly 12 dollars and hour🤣🤣🤣

@@SaraMorgan-ym6ue And then he shoots her dad and threatens a whole hospital at gunpoint when he doesn't get his way. He would've been a terrible father.

That's not how it works just because he messed up before doesn't mean he loses his rights He is the father and his rights to his child

@@pinkstarlight He abandoned her when she needed him the most, waited until the last minute to show up, threw a tantrum when she refused to take him back, shot her father and a security guard, threatened her mother and the hospital staff at gunpoint, impeded the hospital's efforts to save her by refusing to let them take her to an operating room, and threatened to kill everone in the hospital when Ms. Goodwin refused to give him the baby that he'd callously abandoned for 9 months before suddenly deciding that he wanted it. He has done nothing but show that he's completely unfit to raise this child. Forget about custody rights. He'd be lucky if the court would even permit him to live near the child. He's not remotely fit to be a father. Because of his actions, he has lost all right to this baby.

Did you miss the part where he said he would leave with the baby and she didn't have to come with him?

And where are they Einstein

@@noahsawyer7155all in the comments Stevie wonder 🧐 look a little harder.

Give me a break children belong to their fathers just as much as their mothers. Credibly, in this nation it’s all tilted towards the women.

I mean, to fair, anyone who decides bring a gun to a hospital, shoot someone, and then take a hostage in an attempt to force their ex to get back together with them probably shouldn't be raising a child.

@@kattriella1331 true lol

in US? under what rock have you been living. fathers dont have rights US. mothers will deliberately quit jobs to get paid child support and courts allow it.

Not to diminish your situation, but the way I read your post gave me chills. You can read this as "We are richer and therefor better suited to raise a child, so it's ok to take it away from the parents and give it to us."

@Glaswalker1001 that's not what happened. My wife's sister was living with us. She had one child, just turned 12 months and had just given birth to another child. The same biological father. His family kicked her out to the streets. We arranged for her, at her request, to come live with us three states away while she was still pregnant with the second child. Before she gave birth, she decided to give the second child up for adoption. We were helping with school, to graduate high school. She was an abusive mother, hateful almost and she and my wife would get into fights about it. One day, she broke down, and admitted it's too hard and she just can't do it anymore. She wants a better life for her child. She asked us if we would adopt her son, as we had been trying to have a baby. We discussed it and sat down with her. We agreed. We secured an attorney and started the process. The biological father had not reached out once in two years to see if she was OK. But it got back to him that she was putting the child up for adoption and he turned up on our doorstep. We had already been to court once and we were the temporary legal guardians of the child. He, and his family, expected to come in and take the child like a piece of property. They called our local police and they showed them a birth certificate and we showed him a court order. The court order trumps the birth certificate because the birth mother was in agreement. Now the legal battle began. The courts find him unfit due to an admitted drug abuse issue, no stable job, and no stable residence. It took us a year in court to get to that point. We were also held responsible for their legal fees, by the court, and all court costs. In the end, it cost us over $15,000 to adopt our nephew. But you can't put a price on a child's safety and well-being!! The child was also diagnosed with Autism Spectrum Disorder, Oppositional Defiant Disorder, and ADHD, as well as a sensory disorder. The mother was doing drugs while he was in utero and the father was doing drugs during conception. Our son is now 13. He is doing well and has a handle on his disabilities. Don't hate us because the courts decided we were a better option than a child placed into an unstable, and potentially dangerous environment.

@@bobastuso does he see his child then or not

@MekiahClark no. He has zero rights. The judge stripped them after he had no contact for greater than 24 months. Biology does not dictate family or love. The bio father's grandmother believed that children. Are the property of their family, not living breathing individuals who need a safe environment from which to successfully explore their world. My son was with them for the first 12 months, and due to that time with them, he came to us with Reactive Attachment Disorder.

@@Glaswalker1001 Welcome to reality. A teen dad isn't prepared, especially one who is quick to violence.

You've clearly never been in such a desperate state that you don't think clearly. Imagine being told your mom is dying, you lost your job, and your girlfriend is pregnant all in a short amount of time. Then, after having a mental break from all the stress, you work to get another job that pays better and get in contact with your son's mother, only to be frozen out completely. Then you finally get to see her to tell her you made a mistake but are stepping up to be a father and potential partner, and you get assaulted, told you don't get to have a say in what happens to your son, and forcibly removed from your son's birth. And all that without any person showing you even the tiniest bit of empathy or compassion. You go through that and then tell me you would be thinking clearly.

@@CBerries if you think david's response is a sensible one in reaction to his situation, then i don't think you should be allowed to have custody over a child either

Exactly

Actually if he walks out as he did and isn't out on the birth certificate even with a DNA test proving it's his kid he has no legal right to child which means no parental rights. Women aren't incubators for men especially ones like this guy

I agree wholeheartedly.

The original intended mother for the child backs out of the adoption obviously because the father of said child held a gun to her head. So well yes the pregnant child gives birth and puts the baby up for adoption it's going into the foster care system not just being adopted to somebody, and the foster care system in the US is full of predators and people who literally have zero interest in the job. But being someone who was shuffled around that system for neuron 15 years I probably have a poor opinion of it, the same as 90% of the other kids who are treated as so much garbage by the government if you're over the age of 10 no one wants you you're just a burden so hopefully that baby gets adopted hopefully they don't go through the same s*** most do in the foster care system. But being that this is TV it doesn't really matter cuz there was no baby there was no pregnancy it's fake.

The show leaves it open ended, I think. Lily asks to hold her baby, calling it "mine". She could still give it up, but with how hormones work and her calling the baby, "mine", means there's a good chance she might decide to keep it.

Well if she had not been so stubborn and allowed the father to witness the birth, this would not have happened. I hope her father does not make it. Would serve her right for what she did to her boyfriend.

@@peterfraney7931b SERIOUSLY 😐!!! You’re blaming HER for HIS ACTIONS!!! That is a load of bull! If someone contributed to me getting pregnant/bailed in me for the majority of it & then just waltz back in at the last sec & suddenly decide he wanted a family, I’d have his butt thrown out too!!!

@@peterfraney7931b ​In my opinion, family is a privilege, not a right & he threw that away when he bailed! Don’t get me wrong, you can get those rights back, but YOU HAVE TO EARN IT… with action, not words!!! That would be how’d I’d handle it. He could have man up/taken responsibility for not pulling his weight & done the right things to remain a part of his child’s life. Instead, he played the victim/blamed everyone else for his mess & then proceeded to do nothing, but endanger both her & their child’s lives, but nearly take a bunch of others w/ them! Sorry, but I can’t have a ton of sympathy for that 😖

@@peterfraney7931b Also, sorry to disappoint you: her dad lives & she ends up keeping the baby. So everything ended great for them ☺

@@jillians.6930 That is sad, that she is the one that caused the problems but he dies.

The surrogate mother is the daughter of the parents who are adopting her baby

@@robertbreschard3493 Um, that’s not what I was asking

Who knows. People with a hold of a gun seem to take on another thoughtless view. Desperation sure don't cover as a right answer. Guy shot like two people, held some people hostage, and sure enough, not every exit goes as wanted. Not like in the movies it won't for them.

Like any parent you try to take a child from: there isn't much rational behind their decisions. Many mothers would do a similar thing.

right? assuming Lily and the baby were fine and they went with him, she could take the baby and run as soon as she had the chance.

Sounded like he knocked her up and then dipped. I don't think he gets the right to try and weasel his way back into her life and make decisions about the baby the day of the birth. Even if he tried calling a few days or weeks before, he was still absent the entire pregnancy. He undoubtedly caused her emotional and mental trauma, and he had left the picture anyways so he has no right or say in whether the baby is put up for adoption or not.

She probably did tell him and he came to the realization of what was happening too late.

@Sarah Jinnah you don't know what your talking about. That girls father clearly was trying to control everything. When people have their rights taken away, they take heavy measures.

@@MarcusTheJR And he even admitted to dipping. Just cause he had a change of heart during the final stretch doesn't mean he deserves a say in anything or even to be forgiven for abandoning his baby mama and child. Only involved fathers get a say period

@@sarahjinnah9981 WOW. I've worked in a hospital. And seen mothers leave children there, only to hear later they want them back. So miss me with that

A huge reason why she’s one of my favorite characters on Chicago Med!