I read something where somebody interpreted that as him doing that out of sheer narcissism. Considering this guy tried to basically become god, it tracks for me.

@@jdrvargo287 Another possibility would be, that he trains like many actors by talking with himself in-character.

I thought that was Teridax talking with Turaga Dume *before* he was placed in a matoran sphere, which I assumed happened offscreen

Though I absolutely love the idea that he’s so narcissistic that he just blatantly explains his evil plan to himself, I assumed that because he could kind of split his soul into pieces kind of like Voldemort, he was talking to a part of himself

Considering that he mentions later to Vakama "join my brothers, and me" when the completed Mask of Time is shown, I suppose he is talking to the other Makuta Brotherhood members.

And we never got the hint back then. Clever writers.

But i still hate Gorast the most

TheShadowedOne1 Indeed!

@@matthewreynoso6904 I desire just one noble destiny. More than any power you can offer me.

The Brotherhood of Makuta was even directly mentioned in a comic published not long after the release of the movie and right after, I think, the release of the third one.

Agreed! It's taken me a long time to process as well that the entire Matoran Universe is inside a giant robot.

Yeah, so when Makuta said, "Even the Great Spirit will soon sleep." He means it in a literal sense.

Well those moons did come back in Web of Shadows and yet Mata Nui was still asleep, if you wonder when we see that it's the scene where Vakama was captured and Rahi wolf howled out loud

For years I was confused about Metru Nui being underneath the Mata Nui island

@@TahuMata1888 A continuity error is a movie that could be considered as the biggest point of filler in the story, no surprise there.

Pet my head Are you sure you would want: *Y O Y O P I R A K A* For 1hr 30?

@@EldritchDoodler4828 □Yes □Definitely □Absolutely

We needed Ignition saga movies

I say then, watch that fan film; BIONICLE IGNITION: Island of Doom. It's something and yet it shows how much the fandom can do for a loved series~

A movie for each arc would have been great. I'd have *adored* seeing the Karda Nui Makuta on screen.

TRAITOR!

@Makuta Teridax Sure you did. Tell me, was the whole "taking over the giant robot that turned out to be our universe all along and use it to conquer the rest of the galaxy" part of that?

Too bad Akhmou was split and made into Two,as Makuta Malkomou,a New Master of Shadows..And a Toa without Memories created by Teridax’s Fusion of Protodermis and Antidermis Experiments.(Because a Heartless has memories and a Nobody has none.)

Akhmou transformed into two half beings by a horrific experiment,a Toa without memories and a Makuta Malkomou who has pure memories of his treachery.(Exactly as Makuta Teridax planned.)

The only thing Malkomou ever did was giving the Mask of Time to a False Duma in the past by breaking Turaga Vakama’s own deal.

He basically tried to kill God to become God... crazy

He's kinda like dr doom of bionicle

@@thesnipersmith3436 He really is.

There are tons of parallels that could be made to Star Wars in Bionicle

And the 3rd film feels like a combination of Revenge of the Sith and Return of the Jedi which are also thirds in a trilogy.

Then revenge of the sith stole from Bionicle lol

@@potatoman5933 More like the other way around!

That makes two of us, I agree with you on these 😎👍

They do say, however, that intelligent people often do talk to themselves. And in fact many educated people and experts say it’s sometimes a good idea, because it means you are able to check how something sounds, so you’re sure it doesn’t sound stupid. It’s also good for learning how to pronounce new words you encounter. And problem solving. Asking yourself stuff like “So X thing work with Y? No, because of Z. So how do we solve Z?” etc. But yes, in the context of the scene in the movie, he’s just all like “Yeah, I’m so good because I’ve got this brilliant plan than no one can stop haha.” So yes, in this case, it’s just a display of pure arrogance :)) And narcissism.

Bro is a egotist😂

I was under the impression that Turaga Dume was initially coerced into working for Teridax before being shoved in a matoran sphere offscreen

@@EmperorOfTheScrubsI mean, that IS something Makuta would do. Threaten you then dispose of you anyway.

😨Makuta, 😠YOU WERE SWORN TO PROTECT THE MATORAN!

@@reubenguttenberg7405 “I shall… and when they awake, *I* will be their great leader!”

@@skootmeister3994 deceit and self interest will never be virtues the matoran honor

@@reubenguttenberg7405 “Huhuhahahahhahahahahahaaaaa. How VERY bold. *NOW* even the Great Spirit will sooooooon *SLEEEEEEEEEEEP!”*

@@skootmeister3994 😴

"I actually woudn't be surprised if he somehow managed to survive The Battle of Bara Magna and decided to lay low until seizing the right moment to rise up again." I'm sure, that's what happened.

if bionicle continued we could have gotten teridax vs teridax considering his alternate light self from the melding came to the og bionicle universe.

@@SuperVladdrakula No. it’s been confirmed to not have happened that way. He is dead. The end.

@@TheManBehindTheSlaughter6669 True.

@@Luka1180 You're just a boring, limited creature...

Exactly, of course these films are built for the fans. After all, most people don't even realize that this film and the 3rd are both prequels.

There is also the problem of Web of Shadows being set between the second to last and last scene of Legends of Metru Nui which is also confusing for most people.

That is also true. I actually confused me a bit when I was a kid.

Dr. madd you do have a point, it didn't expand the lore of the Makuta all that much. it was confusing though as a child I was less confused and more sucked intot he action, because I was such a sucker for this as a kid

Dr. Madd I think while the scene wasent explained properly it signifys both Makutas insanity while helping him stay in character as a corrupted Turaga taking orders from the brotherhood, it also shows the only person he can trust with his thoughts is himself. Because in later years where the plan was explained in detail about how he takes over the world there is absolutely no person alive he would tell least he’s killed himself

someone please photoshop a small w in between those eyes

To think-Makuta would have totally been HANDED control by Mata Nui... if he had bothered to be patient for FIVE MINUTES

When the on-the-nose, heavy handed metaphor is justified because it’s actually literal.

Well yeah. The voice acting for pretty much everyone was good

It's Gerard Plunkett, not Mark Hamill!

Hmm I wonder what duma looked like when he was a toa

@@silverbolt9659 Dume, you mean.

In most dubs I’ve seen of these movies almost all voices are phenomenal. Most of the time anyway. Even my precious Danish ones. It’s because apparently Disney, who helped distribute the movies, were involved in the castings. I wonder if they were also in the og eng one.

LOL. Movie reason? I believe it was because he was still having troubles in his mind after absorbing the essences of Nidhiki, Krekka, and Nivawk, killing them and fueling his new form which distracted him. Real reason? At this point in 2004, Teridax was the only Makuta we knew and there was never the 42 powers that we now know all Makuta have. So they fucked up.

Something he ate didn't agree with him.

@@TheShadowedOne1 Actually, they _were_ aware of Makuta having so many powers. It was outright stated that each existing Kraata (the slug controlling the Rahkshi) can only have a power that the Makuta who created it possessed. So, if nothing else, he had at the very least Anger, Fear, Weakness, Shattering, Fragmentation and Poison.

He was lifting literal pillars of protodermis before his fight with Vakama. It's something.

It was explained that Makuta was toying with them. He never really considered them a serious threat, and for good reason. He was one of the most powerful beings in the universe, so he had no real reason to take them seriously. Plus, the outcome of the fight was irrelevant to his greater plan, anyway. He had already succeeded in his main goal of putting Mata Nui to sleep. This was basically just fun for him, though the loss of the Mask of Time and getting trapped in a prison was a setback, in the end it didn’t really matter.

This was before the concept of the Brotherhood of Makuta came about, so maybe they purposely left it vague for us fans back in the day.

TheShadowedOne1 I know, and it worked on me!

I'd say, it was obvious what he meant.

Murilo Pena Goncalves Me too! I only learned about the Brotherhood of Makuta after watching this movie for the first time when I was younger!

The ironic thing is that Makuta was a very bland one-dimensional villain from 2001 to 2004 before Greg Farshtey remade his entire character and made a three-dimensional cunning mastermind with BIONICLE: Time Trap in 2005.

And i got defeated.

Yes you did

By my shadow hand.

your own shadow hand

Yeah.

Actually he tried to influence Lhikan's choices to be the Matoran that knew the Great Disk locations (the Po-Matoran one he actually makes into his servant on Mata Nui) who WOULD have been the Toa his plan needed to succeed earlier. Lhikan decided to switch his choices to those who were destined to actually defeat him at this point

That is true. But the Great Spirit influenced the stars to indicate the wrong Matoran, so Makuta would influence Lhikan to pick the right ones.

Kevin Micheal Richardson would have been great too!

Love this movie! An absolute masterpiece!

😨Makuta,😡 YOU WERE SWORN TO PROTECT THE MATORAN!

@@reubenguttenberg7405I Shall. And when they awake. I will be their great leader!

He wasn’t nerfed. He was toying with them. It doesn’t explain that in the films because they only tell a small part of the story. One of the guidebooks was written entirely from Teridax’s perspective, and he explains quite clearly that he wasn’t even trying when he fought them, because he didn’t consider them a threat. It also didn’t matter who won the fight because he had already accomplished his main goal, which was to put Mata Nui to sleep. His fight with the Toa was just a bit of fun. The one thing that he did not expect, however, was to lose the Mask of Time and to get trapped in that prison, but those proved to be only temporary setbacks that did not effect the plan in any significant manner.

and not too mention maybe make the Ultimate Dume set as Makuta's new movie model

Also to see Time Trap played out in this style would be amazing.

@@GrizbyK72 Actually seeing an animated Shadowed One is one of my biggest wants.

Directed by Quentin Tarantino

Movie came out in 2004, so its very clearly picked some inspirations from Episode 2, note how theres even a giant arena that so much takes place in.

Well Teridax did try to prevent them from becoming Toa in the first place by changing the Star alignments for the Red Star to switch their names with that of the matoran who knew of the Great Disks. but Mata Nui, having already grown suspicious of the Makuta plotting against him, secretly changed the stars himself & altered Teridax’s mind so that he’d actually switch the alignments back to their correct courses. So if Teridax ever figured out what Mata Nui did to him with this tiny act, it’s plausible to reckon that if he (as Duma) tried to sway the Toa Metru to his influence while Mata Nui was still awake, then it certainly wouldn’t have ended well for him.

And unlike most of them, Makuta actually managed to succesfully take over the entire Matoran Universe.

@@HunhowsShadowStalker What are _you_ doing here, Stalker? You're supposed to be in the Origin System making noobs piss their pants!

In other words Makuta is the Devil

And what happened to me? I got a moon shoved into my head and die.

And Sigma from Mega Man X

The Web of Shadows novel does a better job of explaining Vakama's betrayal than the movie. He joined Roodaka to get closer to the captive Matoran.

I assume he just couldn't use it considering he used it immediately after he was free.

Whew protodermis destroyed Time teleports him back

That’s a Toa Seal-it can only be broken using the same Toa elements used to forge it

@@Alphapkmn But there is nothing in canon saying that you can't use powers while inside it. Like teleportation. Which would mean you'd escape the seal without breaking it.

@Ticobot makes sense

You don't have JTO Makuta? He's awesome!

I don't hv the right pieces & worse I hv to necessarily break some pieces which is one of my biggest regrets on Lego

TahuMata1888 Um, I had JTO Makuta built from all the necessary sets, and yes, there were a few pieces being a bit stressed and pushed together, but after I disassembled him and put the 7 sets back together, nothing was damaged at all. If you ever plan on building him, don't worry about breaking anything. CCBS is VERY strong.

Awesome set of Makuta sets you have there!

That's an awesome line up! I have Makuta Teridax from 2003, Turaga Dume form from 2004 along with Ultimate Dume. And I created my own Great Spirit Robot using Bara Magna elements and colors

TahuMata1888 Yeah, it really should have been cut out because it is confusing especially knowing that Teridax was Dume the entire time. Although Greg Farshtey did confirm he was talking to himself like a mirror in that scene.

I think part of Teridax went into Turaga Dume, and another part stayed behind. In the end they join back together., obviously.

Why did Teridax talk to his Future Self?

TahuMata1888 I despises villains in disguise

Makuta Miserix but how would've that happened because Turaga Dume ended up being a form of Makuta Teridax when he was impersonating him.

Leoxandar Magnus Nathan Furst is a genius, probably was inspired by it. I hear it too.

It's because practically no one can control the thing, it's too powerful. And it is one of those masks that if used wrong, could unravel a fundamental part of existence. Mishandling the Ignika or the Mask of Creation would do something similar.

Its alot higher than that if you count all the wars Teridax had been in hundreds of thousands of years prior to this point in the story.

LMAO this comment made me die

Hate is probably an exaggeration, but yeah. It was brief, though. "Worst part is, she was the first to look at him that way!" Unlike others, though, she didn't say anything. And looked pretty normal afterwards.

@@SuperVladdrakula uh, yeah.

Did not realize this got dubbed in Hebrew. That is fascinating!

No, thank you Krexa.

Exactly.

Greg Farshtey said it was Teridax talking to himself in a mirror.

TheShadowedOne1 perfect answer that solves a big confusion in this movie

Taking to his Future Self from another Timeline.

@@TheShadowedOne1 did you notice that Ultimate Dume in the movie is just 2003 Makuta with Dragon wings?

I think he fissioned his spirit to properly pose as Dume. If the previous Toa was still around when Makuta started to impersonate Dume, he had to weaken himself to not let the other Toa get wise about him Meanwhile he used his trusted position to lure the other Toa aside from Likhan to their dooms, and thought it was the end of it, until the new Toa came into the picture Meanwhile, while his weakened self play as Turaga Dume. main self waits in the shadows, and by end of movie, reunited as one again

SEE YOU IN HELL! NIDIKHI & KREKKA!

Happy mid 2020s my dude

Hell yeah!

He was the senate

A Toa Inika movie? I wish there was one too!

Yeah that would have changed the whole plot

@@steffenrichter9731 Maybe the whole bionicle franchise

Makuta loves his Moroccan food

Lego cout have made a full on triligy out of that. BBut we will never see because of their greed

Belicure the thing I liked about teridax is that he was always leaning close to the fourth wall

But not as bad as George Liquors dialogue from Cans without labels

@@TSPH1992 how exactly? 🤔

One of Makuta's defining traits is his ability to shape-shift. When the Toa of Mata Nui first meet him in the Mata Nui Online Game he just looks like a villager with corroded armor and hollow eyes, before becoming a swirl of disconnected pieces of scrap and darkness. The Toa of Light faces him in the form commonly referred to as shadow titan, which was his last form before the Takutanuva melding incident resulted in the shattering of his physical body. In this prequel the movie makers decided to use the shadow titan form, though in the canon he takes a much different form he calls the winged giant (more commonly known under official toy's name Ultimate Dume). Makuta can make himself bigger by absorbing other creature's body and mind and can make himself smaller by storing a part of his essence in a pocket dimension (and yes, that is canon). Nobody knows how he looked originally, but as he has been a powerful warlord in the service of the Great Spirit for several millennia at this point he probably was not a frail creature. Some people also did some calculations on the canon sizes of the characters based on information given by the author of most Bionicle content (not accurately depicted in the movies) Makuta (shadow titan): 9.72ft/2.96m Takanuva: 7.58ft/2.31m Vakama: 6.91ft/2.11m Dume: 4.85ft/1.48m Makuta (winged giant): 14.49ft/4.42m

The only person he can absolutely trust is himself.

@@zj0ker208 Truer words, have never been spoken

They were vaporized by The Shadowed One in Time Trap. biosector01.com/wiki/Teridax#Metru_Nui

I was wondering if anyone else had noticed this, felt like I was going fucking crazy. Yeah, I dunno why he sounds like he had a stroke or something, but that always bothered me about the second film.

He also sounds and acts much more like a cartoon villain than he did in the first movie

@@davisphillips993 Maybe they felt they had to tone it back for kids after seeing the reaction to the first film? Beats me. I still love this movie, don't get me wrong, but really prefer Makuta in Mask of Light.

So do I

It's implied that Teridax (Dume) was talking to himself, like a mirror.

The plan he had was to brainwash all Matoran to believe that he was their leader. But that would need a lot of time. So he wanted something that could act as a fast-forward button for his conquest plans.