BioShock Infinite SPOILED GAMES Pt 2! Luteces, Elizabeth, & More with Jeff Gerstmann & Kevin VanOrd

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BioShock Infinite SPOILED GAMES Pt 2! Luteces, Elizabeth, & More with Jeff Gerstmann & Kevin VanOrd

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It's part 2 of our SPOILED GAMES of BioShock Infinite with GiantBomb's Jeff Gerstmann and Kevin Van Ord! This time we discuss the enigmatic Luteces, the wonder of Elizabeth, and the bloody, electrifying gameplay.
Warning: SPOILERS!
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@ThePsychoRenegade 10 жыл бұрын

what about Songbird. I gotta say when it died I was kind of sad.

@kaithekat6716 10 жыл бұрын

I actually teared up a little maybe more than I should of... even tho Booker and Elizabeth are afraid of him through most of the game. When Songbird starts to help you on the airship... you get that even if he seemed evil he was there to sort of protect her from everything he could. Then after you get beamed to Rapture when she was saying "goodbye" while she was shushing and calming him you realize it sort of made her sad but she wanted put him out of his misery. I was genuinely sad like saying goodbye to the only friend you had.

@BenNoel117 10 жыл бұрын

Vigor upgrades are ridiculously expensive, around $1,000+. I never could spend the money to upgrade vigors when there were also $300+ weapon upgrades in the other vendors.

@SuperSquishface 10 жыл бұрын

Yeah I found that annoying too, but I figured towards the end that it's set up like that to make you choose you're own style of play, your own combination of weapons & vigors. I dunno, just a thought

@AndrewN553 10 жыл бұрын

I just finished this game and i love it! The only issue i had was how complex the plot was. BUT after reading more and understanding it all I love this game even more! I even like Infinite more than the original Bioshock.

@HarshitPassi 11 жыл бұрын

I think that the final baptism was sort of a meta-universe, where basically all versions of Booker came together. I.e. every Booker in every timeline went through a baptism and either accepted or rejected it. Elizabeth, through her powers, brings all those baptisms together in one, (which is probably why we see so many Elizabeths) hence drowning Booker/Comstock in that baptism meant drowning him in every single one of them!

@The_Bug0222 11 жыл бұрын

Oh my God. That part with the guitar is SOOO brilliant! Touching and quiet, in the cacaphony of death and destruction surrounding them. A truly beautiful moment

@overseer06 11 жыл бұрын

I liked Elizabeth as well. Got to the point where I didn't skyhook execute enemies when she was around. And she's practically essential in surviving later firefights in 1999 mode.

@mattolika 11 жыл бұрын

Anyone notice that when Robert seems to be painting a portrait of Rosalind, the painting is of himself? Just another fantastic detail that hints at the final twist of the game...

@Chubtoaster 11 жыл бұрын

Adam, it makes me so happy and so pleased to see you as excited about this game as I am. I feel Bioshock Infinite has, not only raised the bar for gaming, but has redefined what a video game can be... Just sharing this feeling with other gamers is a unique life experience for me; I have never participated in this collective excitement for a game before.

@AllistorRichards 11 жыл бұрын

I flipped my lid when I found out that the Luteces were actually the same person, was amazing.

@QuickQuips 11 жыл бұрын

I've heard a good theory stating that one iteration of Booker is the Songbird. Remember the head security offer Fink kept giving you that you never go through because you're busy making Chen live again? Maybe one Booker actually accepted the offer, getting that emotional binding that was so difficult to create (there was a Voxophone on that).

@MrJandslegate 11 жыл бұрын

I think it might be Comstock. From a collection voxophones it's pieced together that: 1. Fink has stolen a lot of technology from Rapture/Bioshock 1 'universe'. 2. Some of that tech is used to take ailing/dying people and building them into Handy-men. 3. One of Lutece's voxophones confirms that Comstock is not only sterile but also dying. This is the catalyst that drives Comstock to seat the throne with his heir. 4. One of Fink's voxophones details seeing Big Daddies. At that same table we...

@belwa42 11 жыл бұрын

Yep! There's also a Little Sister crying next to the corpse of Big Daddy in a tunnel that you can see across from you when Songbird dies. To me, that just helps cement the connection between the two.

@ToothyMTG 11 жыл бұрын

Guitar playing (5;10) is one of the most breathtaking moments in gaming history. I didn't expect this can be put in a game so smoothly and make it so powerfull.

@Selushakai 11 жыл бұрын

One particular example is the scene where it gives you the option to 'comfort Elizabeth', many people have stated that they would like to know what it is he tries to do that causes her to react the way she does but they feel disconnected from the sequence because they really can't tell. It creates a barrier between you and the character since you really have no idea what the character is doing.

@MistaChozen 11 жыл бұрын

The sound when the siphon explodes! omg

@jason99651 11 жыл бұрын

i love the fact that you brought up Disney animations because when i was replaying it and was walking around Colombia during the fair/raffle my sister saw me playing and all she said was "wow, that kinda looks like Disneyland", which I never thought about until she brought it up.

@macca3666 11 жыл бұрын

First time you go down to the slums, after you save Chen and go to get his machines back, before you open the tear and the vox populi are having their revolution. On the far side of the slums there's a bar, you probably went in it if you explore. On the right of the room is a little space that leads down into the basement, where there's a guitar. Booker can play it and the singing scene happens.

@K2nsl3r 10 жыл бұрын

I played it on hard, and I found it frustrating on occasion. The money loss + enemy health regain penalty for death was annoying, since the last save point was often too far away, so I was faced with losing lots of money or replaying half an hour or more of the game. Frankly, I hated the system. So I think, in retrospect, that it would have been more fun on normal, just to focus on the story and the fun of the battles. (And I usually enjoy my FPS's on hard mode.) Otherwise a great game.

@MRB34N5 11 жыл бұрын

You guys are great, you've allowed me to almost experience a game (and plenty of others) that I simply don't have time to play through myself. I thank you

@StevieGG08 11 жыл бұрын

Very well said. I think Bioshock Infinite was designed as a metacommentary on its own linearity, on the fatalism of existence and ironically of the 'gamer' in a linear experience that only gives you the illusion of choice. These subtle themes are brilliantly put together with the game mechanics just like the whole 'do that, kill that' was explained in the original Bioshock.

@timogul 11 жыл бұрын

Fairly obvious DLC option: Daisy's Booker. There's a whole alternate story to tell there of a Booker who would play like the one we got, but has a whole different plot going on. They could do plenty of quick "alternate" stories set in that world that would not impact the core plot. I definitely want to see something that gives more exploration of the nature of the Songbird too.

@belwa42 11 жыл бұрын

There's actually a voxophone that Fink records in the Vox Uprising tear when you storm his building where he explains that he saw a comination of man and machine that's more than the sum of its parts. Above this voxophone on a chalkboard is a sketch of songbirds, and If I recall correctly, the title of this particular voxophone is "the Child needs a Protector" or some such. TL;DR Songbird is man/machine created by Fink- he got the idea from a tear that he saw.

@Clockworkian138 11 жыл бұрын

It was quite a pleasure to see three video game journalists, whose opinions I respect and have followed for years, talk about a game I respect. Very good episode; I love this new series.

@memnarch129 11 жыл бұрын

that's exactly correct. Also the fact that the Lutece's can see every outcome and it ALWAYs lands on heads, hence their conversation about the Male Lutece being disappointed in how hes always right. Also while the game says its her "brother" I do believe they are one in the same person, "how we seem to finish each others sentences", each being from their own original dimension, the male from Bookers world and Rosalind from Comstocks.

@masterjohansen 11 жыл бұрын

This game seriously has one of the best stories i have ever experienced... that ending where you just sit through the credits wondering "what just happened?". But i still almost agree with TBs statement that the game is better watched than played because i played through it on 1999 mode with the konami code and spent about 20 hours exploring and emersing myself in the world... but at the end... the ghost fights, the handymen and the airship battle just made me want to break something

@ChrisRayGun 11 жыл бұрын

I see your point but I don't see that as a flaw necessarily. What you mentioned, I feel were more like sandbox elements. You could buy the upgrades to enrich the experience and be as powerful as possible, but the game won't penalize you for focusing on something else. I thought it was smart. As for weapon variety, yeah, I see your point, but it's all choice. I used Hand Cannon, RPG, Shock Jockey and Bucking Bronco. On my second playthrough I used the Carbine, Volley Gun, Devils & Posses.

@eddief419 11 жыл бұрын

I think an interesting DLC would be a campaign following the alternate dimension, Vox Booker and how he became such a hero to them, all the way up to his death, which could be a badass moment like the end of Halo Reach.

@bladescavenger 11 жыл бұрын

Love these kind of long talks and discussions! I look forward to many more!!!

@EdKauffmann 11 жыл бұрын

i actually love all of the allusions to Disney, specifically Disneyland, throughout the whole series, with the level design and world-building. Ken Levine said in an interview that as a child he was inspired by the automated rides where they presented these tableaus and you could control where you looked and thus how you saw it (like then with videogames), and the whole idea of utopia with a sour undercurrent is very much Disneyland. smart stuff :)

@assman767 11 жыл бұрын

personally i played the game on hard my first time around, not because i felt like some badass, but because i did the same with the original bioshock and i felt like i got so much more out of the experience. it forced me to slow down and take stock of myself, and it encouraged me to explore more to find resources; in doing so i felt so immersed in both the setting and feel of the games, that i was alone in this world and i wasn't invincible. i found just about every audiolog my first time too

@sgreencorn 11 жыл бұрын

Absolutely loved this discussion on Bioshock Infinite. I have been raving about this game ever since completing it for the first time. I immediately restarted the game on higher difficultys. I think you guys nailed it in this video!

@jonbaxter2254 11 жыл бұрын

Here's a crazy idea; a Bioshock game, that is fully aware of it being a Bioshock game? Not breaking the fourth wall type, but knowing there is an infinite number of universes, maybe traveling through them, with different time periods, different characters and a full knowledge of the multiverse, but with a linking plot throughout. Either way, Knowing how Irrational is, it will be a long, LONG time before we know of it.

@DiaboroYuzuhamon 11 жыл бұрын

I have an interesting experience from Infinite that I hope Adam reads at some point. The thing is I couldn't find a skyline to jump to from the zeppelin that was attacking the Vox. It seemed to have flown too far away from any foreseeable skylines. I hadn't been downed in battle at all yet and the crashing ship killed me aboard it. I revive next to Elizabeth, who says, "That was amazing." Since I hadn't died yet, I thought, "Was that the game showing me how a "death" ties into this world?"

@browsertab 11 жыл бұрын

I think Sessler was one of the first critics to get what Bioshock Infinite was about in terms of motifs involving narrative and how that relates to multiple realities so he's really been the best source of discussion about this game. Disappointing to see certain other people, who would be well suited to deconstructing the imagery and themes of the game, instead take a contrarian POV and wallow in how the game is mechanically different form the first.

@TyroPirate 11 жыл бұрын

I think they should have talked more about Rapture and how in the first game you also enter it through a lighthouse, and the end of infinate when Elizabeth teleports you and the songbird to the parallel universe of Rapture.

@SpartanDeluxe 11 жыл бұрын

I personally liked the Handy Man. Because he was a challenge, where I really needed to use and also NOT use the skyhook system. I constantly need to hide, move and find resources. On Hard they can be a little pain in the ass, but they are supposed to be like that. That's why there are only 3 handymen in the game. Take their fast and "tanky" abilities and what do you get? A boring, slow, big guy which you shoot down like the rest of them. They brought atleast some variety to the opposing party.

@twistwit 11 жыл бұрын

This is prime example of great replay value it is not in the achevements but the story where you want to play again to learn more put more pieces together

@EthanRom 11 жыл бұрын

They're talking about the VGAs from Spike TV, which is the biggest video game award show, but you are right there are other organizations that give out the same award as well.

@NihlusSpectre 11 жыл бұрын

Rev3 to the rescue! I was so bored....then this popped up in my sub box. Thanks a ton! Been waiting all week for this :D

@TheAgentmigs 11 жыл бұрын

I was dead set on the idea that Songbird was Elizabeth's step-mother. I was under the impression that Comstock used his resources in order to turn his then wife into his daughter's mute and deadly protector. This way he could frame the Vox Populi leader for her feather and have someone to defend Elizabeth against Booker all in the same stroke.

@WillingSpade 11 жыл бұрын

4:37 what a cool transition!

@howdyberry2091 11 жыл бұрын

Well the reason why TLoU and Bioshock Infinite was so great was because of how well written the story was, and the acting as well. The story is the reason why the games are amazing and they both set the bar and standard for gaming. There's not much else you can do that can be truly revolutionary.

@stevewondy 11 жыл бұрын

As soon as i saw the city of Rapture again, I knew shit was about to hit the fan, story-wise. The final 15 minutes gave me goosebumps to the point where i couldn't talk to people for about a few hours while i processed it. This game is a testament to gaming in general and an exemplary measure of storytelling. Ken Levine and his team should be revered as the Gods of gaming experiences. I am never going to look at my guitar the same way again.

@blackcowboymusic 11 жыл бұрын

true, I would love to hear a podcast with these three

@TimeBomb014X 11 жыл бұрын

Let me tell you a thing about Bioshock as a series, its a creative nightmare. To be able to come up with the idea for Bioshock takes so much out of a guy that asking him to make another one in another place is like asking him to make lead into gold. Also another problem with the series is you can't make another one set in the same place because a lot of what makes the game good is discovering the city so revisiting it is meaningles

@radwiimp 11 жыл бұрын

In short, each decision made creates two different timelines. So Comstock is the Booker who was baptized and grew to power and insanity, who sent the Luteces to kidnap non-baptized Booker's daughter Anna because his experiments in messing with the timelines made him sterile and he needed an heir. The playable Booker chose not to be baptized after what he did in the war and as a result did not become what Comstock turned into. He was a drunk and a mess, but he did have a daughter Anna who he sold

@AustinRaymond95 11 жыл бұрын

Did anyone else notice the Luteces twins juggling at the bottom left when looking through the first telescope but when you left the telescope they weren't there anymore?

@DrBrainsqueeze1 11 жыл бұрын

Am I the only one who, when reaching the end with all the lighthouses, thought "screw smothering Comstock and lets go back and smother Lutece in her crib"? That was exactly what went through my mind on my first playthrough before getting drowned by Anna/Elizabeth. May have solved everything in the first place.

@MerlinMerlout 11 жыл бұрын

By the way, at 3:55 we see how Elizabeth has her powers. The female Lutece talks about it in a voxophone. Something about having a small piece of yourself trapped in another "dimension."

@DiaboroYuzuhamon 11 жыл бұрын

I mean, the Vitachambers have an explanation. I of course died in later battles, but I had the weird thought that maybe the game was trying to show how little consequence Booker's "death" has on this world he's been in.

@SchmancyMan 11 жыл бұрын

Did no one else see the Lutece's as almost a Rosencrantz and Guildenstern-like analog? Up until their full influence in the plot is revealed towards the end, that is.

@christopherchampagnie1058 11 жыл бұрын

I agree on all the points you guys have made including the Luteces as my favorite characters and I'm with you in wondering where they're gonna go with these. I am really excited about the DLC too since I'd forgotten there was a season pass. Here's hoping it's not gonna be costume packs.

@malcomstringer4619 11 жыл бұрын

My favorite vigor is kinda hidden. It was Return to Sender. Returning the damage absorbed was an awesome idea for a vigor.

@Anon6655321 11 жыл бұрын

Robert and Rosalind are dead, theyextensively make reference or parody scenes, dialog and themes from Tom Stoppard's Rosencratz and Guildernstern are Dead, a play which deals with the themes of inescapable determinism, the passage of time and the nature of existence. Specifically that coin flipping scene is straight from R and G.

@spiderman4657 11 жыл бұрын

The thing that pissed me off about this game is the fact that you don't fight songbird. If you look at the trailers when they were showing songbird he came off as a sort of nemesis character relentlessly hunting you down, but they end up killing him off in a ridiculous matter.

@thisisntmyname 11 жыл бұрын

I think this should be it for the Bioshock series. Infinite was such a swan song that putting out another game within the same vein would just feel unnecessary. I'm sure Ken Levine and his team can come with something radically different yet still as amazing as Bioshock.

@srnicol 11 жыл бұрын

This was a very good discussion. What I'd really love to see though, is Sesslers in depth response(s) to some of the very harsh critiques that Bioshock: Infinite has received. Two relatively recent articles on Kotaku were very hard on the game, one about the violence (I tended to disagree with logically) and the other, a somewhat abstract but well written piece by Leigh Alexander.

@tayphil2010 11 жыл бұрын

It's nice to know that Peter Pettigrew likes video games

@MrMToomey 11 жыл бұрын

Bioshock 3 -> Bioshock Underground where the city is literally underground. Bioshock 4 -> Bioshock Termination where we finally play in a normal ground level city. That is where we can go.

@Bfr3shBrian 11 жыл бұрын

Playing this game for the 2nd time now on 1999 mode, and even if i heard all the dialogue and voxophones I can't help but stand still and listen to it all again, so good.

@MrJandslegate 11 жыл бұрын

see schematics for songbird. The picture somewhat resembles Comstock. Granted it could just be another man with an epic beard. I think we may possibly discover from DLC (hopefully) that when following the 1984 timeline we visit culminating with Old Elizabeth is that once she succumbed to the conditioning and accepted her mantle that Comstock becomes Songbird either before dying or (immediately after?). We see at one point in the game that Songbird is capable of traversing tears. To me what...

@georgschramm9643 11 жыл бұрын

May you consider that there was a Booker that didn't go to the baptism in the first place. So there could still be a Booker after dying at the baptism. You know? Because he didn't was there. Unlimited possibilities and so on. You know? And Elizabeth was left at the end, because she existed just like the Luteces on the horizon probability and Bookers dead had no influence on her.

@MrJandslegate 11 жыл бұрын

would make this great is that a Songbird-Booker-Comstock also drowns essentially by Elizabeth's hand. TLDR: Songbird is Comstock from the 1984 timeline, possibly capable of traversing tears or simply one that is relocated. Also, I could and more than likely am completely wrong.

@Kaizu823 11 жыл бұрын

I find it really interesting how the devs took probably one of the worst, if not, the most hated quests in all games, which is basically a escort quest, and made it into a engaging story. Kind like what Resident Evil 4 tried to do but failed in that aspect.

@luc1ferous 11 жыл бұрын

Rosalind considered Robert to be her brother, but i didn't get that from Robert - I think she was desperate for a sibling so she deluded herself in to believing he was related, but Robert probably knew full well that they were one and the same.

@killallgrunts 11 жыл бұрын

The thing that most people have missed is on the season pass screen, it says that all DLC will be released by April 2014. That's a long time for DLC compared to, say, AC:3 which had all its DLC out within 6 months? I think we'll see some good stuff from BioShock: Infinite DLC.

@1998Cooleo 9 жыл бұрын

This makes me kinda sad that irrational got shut down :(

@superdude732 9 жыл бұрын

1998Cooleo And Rev3Games :(

@tripdeezy 11 жыл бұрын

I remember seeing the guitar but I didn't pay it any mind and missed the song. Now I know what that video of the voice actors singing is all about.

@memnarch129 11 жыл бұрын

Which slightly suggests that what Fink saw through the tear was a Big Daddy walking around with a Little Sister.

@T3hPapaBear 11 жыл бұрын

I don't think so. The ending is either one of two things: either Dewitt is alive because the drowning only killed off all Comstocks (hence Comstock never takes Anna), or because Elizabeth has overcome time and space, there's a paradox in her father dying before her birth. Perhaps the ending is time trying to correct the massive hole Dewitt's death creates.

@Lance_Lionroar 11 жыл бұрын

Like what? I felt the same right after beating it but then I spent like 6 hours that day just looking up all the answers and explanations on the Internet and now everything makes perfect sense in the story and ending. No holes or unanswered questions.

@chrisspudster72 11 жыл бұрын

with regard to the moments where you can make a choice in this game, i think they nailed it. A) when you are presented with a choice it has no effect on the story what so ever, which in turn stays true to the story that choice is an illusion and the outcome is the same regardless. B) the choice may not effect the game (pick a neckalce, ring the bell or bull gun) but you remember it as a player so the game has more of an impact on you rather than the game. goty 2013?

@memnarch129 11 жыл бұрын

Yeah I feel the same way. The way they ended Bioshock Infinite with the Infinite realities/Infinite possibilities in my opinion is actually a nice way to wrap up the Bioshock franchise.While it does lend itself to saying we could make anything Bioshock it also says that choice is irrelevant and those choices all really lead to ONE ending.

@Emelenzia 11 жыл бұрын

To be honest, I preferred how TB delievered his version "final conclusions" sort of video. Although simular to spoiled games, TB delievered both his opinion on the story and research from various discussion forums that more deeply analyzed the ending and the more quantum mechanics side of the game. I feel although "Spoiled Games" is a great serious, I just feel like I am hearing first impressions from people who finish game, yet lacks detailed research on what elements really meant.

@drewbauer2860 9 жыл бұрын

i love that there are lighthouses in bioshock 1 and 2. everything is connected

@venom75x1 11 жыл бұрын

i actually found that to be quite easier than expected. for lady comstock i emptied my entire clip of my sniper rifle along with with raven and devil kiss traps. and for the final battle return to sender in front of the generator but boy was it a relief when you get through it. i found handymen to be the hardest especially while fighting the vox

@ErgosMusic 11 жыл бұрын

I keep hearing "twins" or " siblings" regarding the Lutece. My understandings that they are the same person different universes. The female was male in one universe and joined her. The twin thing was just spec for people of Columbia.

@sactokingwolverine2 11 жыл бұрын

My biggest complaint is the lack of anything that rivaled the Big Daddies. The Patriots and Handymen just didn't have the same amount of engagement. I felt like all I needed to do was take cover to defeat them. You could be inventive when taking down a Big Daddy. (I'm posting before watching so sorry if I'm just copying what someone said.)

@DoctorPegasusDDS 11 жыл бұрын

I think one of the DLC's should cover Booker's fight at Wounded Knee with Slate and it should lead up to Booker accepting the baptism.

@Goochbot 11 жыл бұрын

It depended on the situation for me. The crow guys were much easier to deal with after using the Bucking Bronco on them, and the Patriots took a lot less ammo after being shocked, so they had their purposes. I'm sure Hard/1999 mode will make better use of them since normal is pretty easy.

@Selushakai 11 жыл бұрын

There are a lot of inner ear disorders that cause the first person perspective to create severe nausea, dizziness, motion sickness and in some cases people have been known to faint/pass out. This is almost specific to the first person perspective due to the fact that it tricks your mind into 'feeling' the imbalance. This type of ignorance is exactly why I wish more people in the games media would talk about it because so many people just plain don't know.

@awesomemark1234100 11 жыл бұрын

Guys you need to talk about DLC possibilities cause a game like this with literally infinite possibilities can make an outstanding DLC to further explain the story. Also what most people overlook that plays as a big factor is the music I got the soundtrack and after listening to it I think it stands out more and makes a bigger impact.

@turtlesallthewaydown8831 11 жыл бұрын

I say we go full circle and bring this baby home. Last place left: The Moon. Taking place in the future and possibly time travel. The Bioshock games have always felt (to me) to be very human stories in incredible settings. Family would probably play a big role but that would be tricky since everyone is always looking for the twist of every story.

@other3 11 жыл бұрын

now that I know the ending. I am starting to wondering about the coin flip scene. could all those marks for the coin landing on head be all the different Booker's in different dimensions. all being asked to flip the coin, all having it land on head... man this game really gets you thinking.

@MasterAckrovan 9 жыл бұрын

21:00 Ha...ha...ha....that's exactly what happened to Irrational

@luc1ferous 11 жыл бұрын

I've been wondering if this could lead back in to a reboot of System Shock, enter a lighthouse down on earth, emerge in a city in orbit ruled over by Shodan.

@Bayani01 11 жыл бұрын

Personaly I hope the DLC will be about Booker and Anna. Something about me really wants to see that he gets to be her father. Maybe have the Lutece's try to take her again, making them the enemy? However I beleive that is just my desire to have clear closure about the whole Booker/Annabell story.

@HarshitPassi 11 жыл бұрын

I want at least one of the DLCs to focus on the Luteces! They're pretty much one of the most interesting characters of the game.

@thelegendrubyrodd 11 жыл бұрын

I think the DLC for this game will be from all the trailers that we saw prior to release. Those will be used as the other dimensions. Hopefully this will be made true.

@robjohn73 11 жыл бұрын

I have had to replay the ending 3 times. It is just one of the best story ideas.

@daveman247 11 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing none of them played bioshock 2? That game really expanded on the plasmid upgrades as well. In fact the "Crows nest" upgrade is ripped straight from bioshock 2.

@fwindv3954 11 жыл бұрын

The man as I understand it is the man behind the city, the man with the vision, not the player character. Andrew Ryan in Rapture and Comstock in Columbia.

@DogiTheWallcrusher 11 жыл бұрын

While they talk about deaths, I realized I never died with Elizabeth with me. Never saw that scene before

@Jambunctious 11 жыл бұрын

My biggest hope for a DLC: Play as Booker that becomes the hero of the Vox Populi. Did he die for the cause? Who killed him really? It could even start when you actually die as we know that happens but we just don't know how it happened.

@AstralFrost 11 жыл бұрын

You don't really die per se. Elizabeth just saves you by injecting you with some sort of health potion. I think it's better that way in this case. I was reminded of Prince of Persia.

@AndRiseUp 11 жыл бұрын

I would love to see a DLC segment exploring the Columbian system of government. An audio log by Lady Comstock mentions the Prophet "moving against his political enemies", so Columbia isn't a complete oligarchy. I'm willing to bet they have some sort of elected legislature, with Comstock serving as an executive for life. Exploring the government system, especially as a member of Columbia's senate that Comstock is targeting, would make for a great story.

@sicdedworm09 11 жыл бұрын

I did the exact same thing with the melee execution... had no idea it was there until my 2nd playthrough haha

@Hotiechic101 10 жыл бұрын

@Joseguy the reason the luteces don't do anything to prevent Anna from being taken is because they couldn't. They made their choice and even if they go back to that moment they can't change it. They have to relive it because it is just a memory. When Dewitt is taken back to the moment he sells Anna he keeps saying he won't do it but in the end he had to because it already happened that way.

@coopersaude6825 10 жыл бұрын

And the reason they can't change that decision is because its a constant , giving Anna away will always happen In each universe a constant will remain the same throughout each universe but a variable will change a variable would be booker refusing the baptism . The variable is a decision that can be made to change the out come so literally there are an infinite number of outcomes thus the name infinite ..