I'd say they were pretty unsuccessful, gives that I see way more likes. :)

Good to know the Catholic church never (fully) capitulated to heliocentrism and darwinism, because as it turns out the bulwarks of modernity are foundations of sand, science falsely so-called.

Have you ever listened to chuck missler father barron he has some interesting views as a theologian and a scientist

@Meso Phyl what are you even talking about

why am i not surprised

Yes 🤗💕

Thank you Bishop Barron. I am not catholic but i completely agree with you on not dumbing down the faith. I love your exposition of philosophy and scripture. Greetings from Kenya !

I think you're confusing intellectualism with obvious reality. Many forms of Christianity deny obvious reality, all forms are anti-intellectual in that the same logic can't be used broadly and special pleading always appears to justify one religion over another or over no religion.

Amen, thanks for sharing, may the Lord be with you 🙏

Now 66, how is it going?

God bless you!

Pray in one hand and shit in the other, see which hand fills up the fastest.

This movie turns out to have been part of a planned anti-Christian hate propaganda campaign to convince young Millenials to hate us. It worked, on its intended audience. It was crafted for impressionable young people, and made using the exact propaganda techniques as used by Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia and Maoist China. Right down the line, same out of date and ridiculous talking points, same recruitment methods. Those kids are the ones now attacking us, or leaving the Church. We didn't recognize what it was. This was true of the Four Horsemen media campaign too. We have lots of support for this contention, now.

and the sexual abuse

Bishop Robert Barron you are amazing and super intelligent and so aware of the Lord, people like Maher are inferior and need prayer.

WOW You really hate Christians don't you. Unless someone has a degree in theology you just call them stupid.

Inferior?, your a grownup that believes all humanity cam3 from one man and one woman, maybe your family comes from a long line of incest, but I'll take evolution. And I love that Bishop Barron makes the same old cliché statement, "The bible is up to interpretation", man god is so smart, that he inspired a book that can be anything to anyone, a clearer message would have probably been a better play here, oh great imaginary friend in the sky, grow up. Logic and Reason beats faith all day, every day, and twice on Sunday, it being the Sabbath and everything.

Anti Hoax Machine, brother, your conduct, the very unsettled and combative nature of it, is a testament against atheism. God bless you, sir. If you find no faith, may you come to love something the way that God loves you.

Brother, if you are willing to have a respectful conversation about that point, 'suffering', I'd be willing to do that.

A 'loving God' cannot exist without that God providing freewill- which unfortunately allows some folks to choose evil. Love is also freedom. Freedom with a calling toward goodness. Brother, I don't mind debating with you. May I request we keep the tone of our conversation respectful, as opposed to all the 'you' 'you' 'you' provocation?

Depends. There are many opinions on the matters of Sociopaths and Mental Deficiencies. I can say this, Sociopaths typically have a few things in common- some of the things they share is a reverence (worship) for both power and a gravity toward nihilistic paradigms. While, in most cases, its difficult to discern where this begins, the sociopath is basically a snowball- out to prove 'nothing matters' and that they can use that 'elevated' posture to accumulate personal power.

I did not say nihilism has life or purpose nurturing value. I only gave the term meaning, in as so, as it has a great sway on the hearts of men. Nihilism is a false God, and yet it's worship is deeply dis-organizing. Imho, I don't think I'm making any assumption. I have seen where men veer off to when they worship nihilism and the emptiness it welcomes inside. I'm watch years and years of psychologists attempting to cure this emptiness by 'boosting the self-esteem' ... but if fatalism or nihilism has become the 'God' of someone's heart, it always turns up more empty.

STICK TO TALKING ABOUT FAITH, DONT START WITH SCIENCE. POORLY UNDERSTOOD SCIENCE IS THE REASON WE STILL RE3SEARCH! YOU HAVE YOUR ANSWERS IN A BOOK! WRITTEN BY NUMEROUS AUTHORS AFTER THE FACT! THERES A DIFFERENCE. SCIENCE WANTS TO BE PROVEN WRONG - RELIGION HAS ALL THE ANSWERS! THIS IS VERY PROBLEMATIC FOR THE PROGRESSION OF ALL HUMANITY!

@@ajh4663 Are we talking the "SCIENCE" of perhaps a better medicine to treat a disease or, the science of a more advanced weapon system, for waging war? Do YOU have a view on the subject?

Not always the case! That statement is a gross overstatement! There are many many scientists/atheists who are ex religious or even current religious! Like me a nurse who went to 16 years of Catholic School! I graduated from Catholic University! Also, ever talk to a Baptist about science?? 🧬 oh voy!

the spirit will do the same as always in the history of the world!! NOTHING!

@@ajh4663 Amen

@@afrojojo9475 to who? Me or your imaginary sky daddy? Same results for either, respectively … NOTHING!!!!

@@ajh4663 My imaginary sky daddy? I don't have one of those. But I agree with your answer. AMEN!

@@afrojojo9475 AMEN? Now that’s special. That’s like me saying ALIEN… or FAIRY…

Selamat Siang Dari Australia!

Truth is always that way.

UncleZInactive - As long as you believe a single book is a "library".🙄 SINGLE. BOOK.

Pot Dragon Actually, there are 73 books in the Bible. The more you know.

Bible is not a book. Bible is a collection of many ancient scripts.

Unfortunately it's all rather mute due to the fact that the Catholic Church prefers to sweep under the rug the issue of child abuse.

***** So, they use the same single-minded thinking? That's not encouraging at all.

***** What the hell are you talking about?

***** Ooooh, yeah. I agree. I love how atheists dismiss God as an "imaginary friend" or a "sky fairy", or alike. It shows they don't even bother to look up the most basic thing, which is: How does Christianity, theologically, define God?

I don't mean to pick on other kinds of christianiy, but the reason these former fundamentalist and current atheists didn't even learn a proper or more in depth theology is other childish denominations. In Catholicism if you don't "feel" that God exists, okay, fine, you're allowed to doubt and still be a catholic. But some of these evangelicals and fundamentalists require that you be "born again" and actually literally "feel" that God exists, not just know or believe it as an intellectual belief

Yhea but I mean we all know its on obvious old scam

You know the "Bible" is edited too right? They omitted a bunch of books (you can still find them all) They were also written over the course of 200 years.

Bill Maher would never do that. He's the type of person who knows how to pick his fights so he always seems like the smartest person in the room, even when he isn't.

***** to be fair, Maher has invited Ross Douthat to his show several times

That is so true.

I agree with you.

not in this life time . fairytales can never win over real science

You surely know that requires epistemological philosophising.

Actually, many empirically untestable things things are true. E.g., there may well be sci-fi TV shows on other planets. The question is, how do we distinguish between conjecture and verification? Whereas science distinguishes between conjecture and confirmation, and is continually open to disconfirmation, religion seems to say, "If I want it to be true, and if there is some reason (weak or strong) to say it's true, and if it hasn't been disproven to my satisfaction, then I know it's true."

Well, you live in reality and not live in a rabbit hole from Alice and Wonder Land

@@killerbing11 One must remember that "Only empirically testable things are true" is not, itself, empirically testable, so it is self-defeating. Scientism has to sneak in philosophical statements in order to get off the ground, even though many adherents of scientism seem to diminish the role of philosophy.

I feel exactly the same way!

@@finnpead8477 this is an old thread, but this is the kind of thing that Sam Harris and Jordan Peterson get bogged down by. What is the highest form of truth? The issue with science as a totalizing enterprise is it’s purely propositional. Science makes assumptions and uses it’s methodology. But science doesn’t explain itself. For example, a claim that the universe is intelligible can’t be proved scientifically, because that’s a perspectival claim. Which is why in Plato’s cave, we move from the empirical to the mathematical to the metaphysical. Sure, we can see the shadows, but that means there must be a light source. The most true things are stable. Empiricism doesn’t deal directly with stable forms. Especially from a Darwinian perspective, which is why I brought up Peterson.

It's a great ideal, to allow yourself to be open to all criticism, the mature, and immature, the kind and the hateful. But, on the other hand, this is a website owned by a private company, in which a user can determine their level of engagement. And frankly, I don't blame channels who dissallow comments. No one should be forced to listen to a litany of immature, cruel words. Alas, due to our base human nature, and the anonymity of the medium, people are more prone to say hurtful things.

Hey thank you for being kind, non-judgmental and not condescending. I really appreciate that! : )

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***** and that's why I can't STAND them. ffs, you can choose not to believe, but GOOD GOB LEAVE US ALLOW AND STOP YOUR B***HFORKING. ...buuut they are still lost and loved by god... ...doesn't change I still want to kick them in the teeth >:B

And whose fault is that?

Albert Clerc of course it would be their own or the people teaching them. The point is that he is making fun of those people and they're alot of them.

susan martin no he specifically chose whom he interviewed and simple editing can make anyone look like you want.....in a word dishonest

A Escoto I agree that editing can make anyone look bad, but in the U.S. there are an overwhelming amount of Christians that take the bible literally. I have only met one or two that didn't. 

Tada!!!!! The finest of Protestants who grab their bibles and base churches on whatever they interpret it to be. It's no different then people who misinterpret and not understand what people are saying.

Exactly.

God promised that if you seek, you will find. But a truly sincere heart is required. God is all that mankind seeks, God is perfection in the 3 things man most desires: 1 - Life, and a life that ends is not perfect. God is eternal life. 2- Knowledge and who can deny that the existence of man has been anything but a search for more knowledge. Knowledge is found to perfection only in God; 3- Love, and God is Love, a love so total it used Abraham's trust in God's goodness to the point of obeying the command to sacrifice his one and only beloved son, something God would NOT allow Abraham to endure, but what God Himself endured to love man and save us from our sins.

and God said: "You have offended me. Here, have my son and torture him to death so I can forgive you." Hallelujah!

Segata Jonshiro Excellent! Thanks.

I wonder what do you think of a KZfaq video called "The Gospel of Luke [The Alternative Facts gospel]" For most people that video has served to open their eyes, but there are also people who can not handle the content and they opt to double down. In any case it's an interesting video and I'd like to know what your thoughts are after watching it.

Brilliant answer!

I'm truly sorry about that. You had a very poor Catholic formation.

Fr. Robert Barron Poor formation, Father? With the collapse of morality in society in the last 50yrs u don't see a correlation! this society is a cesspool of immorality and I think, where would i be if i hadn't thought of those glowing human forms when severely tempted!!! One example, as a kid, the Church was filled at every Mass on Sunday, Today? Well u would think that with all the changes to make it "easier"... the fact is fewer and fewer r coming! why? i asked myself one Sunday. Why do I come? As a believer many reasons came to mind. But the first one was the fear of eternal damnation in the "fires of Hell". Words by the way I hadn't herd come out of a priest's mouth in, let me see, 50yrs!!! Coincidence? I don't believe in them! You know the old saying, father! This is what happens when u throw the baby out with the bath water! As a child I was taught that what i did in this life was a matter of eternal Life and death! What has changed? Mortal Sin is still Mortal!!! Didn't u use the analogy of raising a child when reading and understanding the old and new testament. That was very helpful to me and my understanding of scripture. It is also true in real life. If we don't tell the child the oven is hot and they do it anyway at least they will know we were telling the truth and will listen the next time. I guess what i'm saying, is we still have an obligation and a duty to form the children up in the knowledge of what will send them to the Oven, of what will send them to eternal Life or Death.God bless you!

rsmyth75 So the main reason you go to mass each Sunday is “the fear of eternal damnation in the fires of hell”. And you are commanded to love a god that threatens children with eternal excruciating pain for committing any of a long list of church invented “sins” during their brief life here on Earth. What were some of those sins that could send a child as young as age seven (the Catholic Church’s definition of the “age of reason”)? Deliberately missing mass on Sunday or a Holy Day of Obligation; eating meat on Friday; masturbation or just holding on to a sexual thought for more than a nanosecond (major reason post puberty boys lined up at the confessional every Saturday);etc. were all considered mortal sins worthy of an eternity in hell-fire. Oh, and Catholics are taught that God is all just! According to Catholic teaching, hell is crowded with children who died in a swimming or bicycle or automobile or some other kind of accident before getting to confession prior to confessing their so-called mortal sin. The fact that fear of burning forever in hell is still your “first” reason for going to mass demonstrates the power of fear-based indoctrination of children. You were subjected to psychological child abuse. You forgot to mention Purgatory that was alleged to be the same kind of torture as hell only it didn't last forever. Do you remember all those indulgences people sought to lessen their time in Purgatory? Do you remember praying for your grandparents, parents, brothers, sisters, children, etc who were burning in Purgatory? Do you remember praying for all "the poor souls in Purgatory"? Do you still believe that?

Hawker Seafury just because u no longer believe doesn't mean it's not true!!! By the way according to catholic teaching, no one not even the Pope can say who is in hell!!! It is also psychological[y unhealthy and eternally unsafe to justify ur immoral sinful behavior by condemning the church's teaching by misrepresenting it!!!

Rich Smyth You state: “Just because you no longer believe doesn’t mean it’s not true!”. That’s right. And just because you can’t prove there isn’t an invisible dragon living in your neighborhood doesn’t mean it’s not true. By and large negatives can’t be proven. Starting with Santa Claus and the tooth fairy, as we grow up we learn (hopefully), to evaluate the plausibility of certain claims. A developing ability to reason should lead one to conclude that extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Threatening me to believe by characterizing my comment as “eternally unsafe” is the same tactic that the Church traditionally relied upon to keep people “faithful”. And as previous poster rsmyth75 stated in the earlier post, even after 50 years, his main reason for going to mass every Sunday is fear of hell. Threatening children with eternal punishment in hell or almost certain punishment in purgatory is a particularly evil practice that the Catholic Church used to coerce and brainwash young children. It was psychological child abuse. That was the principle method of persuasive indoctrination used in Catholic schools prior to -Vatican II. During the Holy Year (1950) Pope Pius XII made sure every Catholic school child was made aware of the Fatima vision of hell: “..it were, a vast sea of fire. Plunged in this fire, we saw the demons and the souls [of the damned]. The latter were like transparent burning embers, all blackened or burnished bronze, having human forms. They were floating about in that conflagration, now raised into the air by the flames which issued from within themselves, together with great clouds of smoke. Now they fell back on every side like sparks in huge fires, without weight or equilibrium, amid shrieks and groans of pain and despair, which horrified us and made us tremble with fright…”. You claimed that I misrepresented the Catholic Church’s teaching. Please be specific as I have the pre-Vatican II Catechism (used in my Catholic school and all Catholic schools) and can provide the specific quotes supporting everything I said. The pre-Vatican II Sunday Missal is available online showing the many indulgences offered throughout the liturgical year by participating in novenas, Stations of the Cross, etc. Each indulgence would include the number of days the time in purgatory would be reduced by participating in the specified ritual. And purgatory was claimed to be suffering by fire just like hell. Catholic “faith” was grounded in fear. Rsmyth75’s previous post corroborates that fact in expressing his main reason for going to mass as fear of hell. Listening to Barron’s videos leads me to conclude that coercive teaching has been de-emphasized since Vatican II. Most Catholics raised subsequent to Vatican II haven’t a clue as to what it was like to grow up in that Church in the early to mid-twentieth century.

You should try learning more about the Catholic Faith but don't speak ill of her for the sex scandals, Spanish Inquisition and corruption of some past clergymen and the some evil popes (anti-popes) because their actions don't represent the nature of her and the conviction of the Apostle successions and the role of Papacy and the mindset of the all the good faithful.

Mark Schoenhofer WRONG the danger is in believing in religion! The Catholic Church is the worst

I do think that's right.

Bishop Robert Barron Wow, even you would stoop down to that level... What a shame.

You're the measuring stick here? Clearly you have the chip firmly placed on your shoulder, because that's the first thing I took from Maher, then seeing the film as an atheist myself. I'm not, nor do I assume the previous posts are as well, arrogant to make such a blanket claim, but it's most definitely a fair thought. Maher is SO vehemently entrenched in his stance that it's all but impossible to wonder, why? My God, this film is hardly a documentary as it an a 2 hour snarky KZfaq comment section tribute. Bill I'm sure believes what he says, but it does seem he's struggling with something, and it's not his "knowing" there is no God.

*sighs* you understand the sample size you're using is way too small and isn't a round number (multiples of 10) to use statistically. Also you need to understand that the likelihood that other intelligent is incredibly high right? currently it is estimated that around 500 million planets within this solar system alone is within the Goldilock's zone (the zone orbiting around a star in which life can be sustained.) So is life possible on other planets, yes. Is intelligent life possible on other planets? possibly. Do we know? No.

Friend, try to avoid the all-or-nothing approach to a text as complex and variegated as the Bible. Is it all history? No. Is it therefore all poetry or legend? No. Look for clues within the structure of the text itself, which will tell you how to read it. Do you read Hamlet the same way you read The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich?

shawn sattler "Jonah lived in a whale? Of course that's poetry, Jesus is god and rose to heaven? Oh we know that part is real, c'mon." You stole the words from my mouth. That's like saying "Of course the Kraken is mythological, silly. But Zeus throwing lightning from the heavens? TOTALLY real."

Elias Lucero I'm an agnostic atheist. I care about what can be objectively demonstrated. Possibilities are just that. Possibilities. Sure, there are things that I believe to be true for various reasons. For example, I believe that alien life most likely exists due to the vast number of planets and galaxies, but I would never claim that it's a fact due to the lack of solid evidence. That would be intellectually dishonest of me.

Elias Lucero I think that IF there is a god(s) / prime mover / creator force of some type, then everyone has it wrong. All "holy" books can be demonstrated to be flawed on multiple levels, granted that certain texts are more erroneous than others. They can't all be right, but they can all be wrong. That said, if the world truly operated in the manner that these ancient texts describe, then life would be like a Lord Of The Rings novel. I don't believe in magic, ergo I don't believe the contents of religious writings.

Elias Lucero "But that's my take anyway, have a good one." You too. Nice little chat :)

No. It's a clarification.

Meh....

Fr. Robert Barron I did find it funny how you said "the only intelligent person" was the Catholic guy. Lulz. Good to know that Catholicism is still an us-against-them theology.

Oh, that's judging people. But the collar gives you special powers though so....

Well Aloha to you! Thanks for these reflections. I loved my time in Hawaii.

AdmiralPrice I gotta say, we Christians look up to you. You gotta respect the devotion and discipline of Islam on scripture and its study. Something neat to emulate. :))

I'm A big fan of Bill Maher, but he is wrong on religion. The only reason why religion is portrayed as it is, is because to many people especially on the right use religion to infantilizecause themselves to an ever evolving world.

Well, I'm a lot like you, but at the age of 67 I now commit myself to taking on the task of opening my mind and heart to the Mystery of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. I may never get to really know what I've been looking for in the way of Knowledge, but as the light begins to illuminate my personal darkness, I have a deep sense that this is, finally, the right thing to do. God bless.

Welcome to the wonderful world of social media com-boxes!

Bishop Robert Barron Well-said, your excellency. Keep up the good work though. Your videos mean the world to people like me who constantly struggle with their faith.