I'll say a rosary for you!

God Bless!

I'm glad that you feel more fulfilled as a Catholic... More power to you. However, it sounds like your comprehension of Lutheranism was pretty off to begin with.

I converted to Catholicism from the Lutheran Church, too. The lack of a living authority was the driving force out of the Lutheran Church for me.

sshealy1 Really? The Lutheran Church has too much authoritarianism as is.

CoryTheRaven I haven't seen or heard of any Lutheran authority yet. Reading the news on the simultaneous expulsion and election of non-celibate gay pastors reveals this lack of authority.. They have some good theologians in Germany who were friends with Pope Emeritus Benedict when he was a professor.

sshealy1 In my particular branch of Lutheranism, we have a huge problem with institutional momentum and bishops who are simply out of touch with how that institution needs to interact with the modern economy. I have plenty of stories from my brief time in seminary, but I'll just employ the one about the bishop who dressed me down and called me names because I wasn't willing to serve a congregation very far removed from my then-girlfriend who was earning $60,000/year in IT. He was still operating under the assumption that being a pastor meant "sacrificing for God" by filling whatever job vacancies the synod has, and that the pastor/husband is the breadwinner and wifey goes along for the ride and plays the organ or something. Whether talking about temporal or spiritual authority, we still endure the existence of bishops and their totally distorted perception of who they are and how much power they wield.

Just because the Church respects the great minds of the philosophers doesn't mean that she has to take into belief all that they have thought of.

So then, you agree we're made righteous by faith? This is an event that takes place instantly, we pass from unjustified to justified, there's no in between. The good works that accompany faith are then the fruits of being justified, and without these works we see the faith was in fact not faith.

-Strolling Around- same but for a different school

Yeah, I'm also here because of the Kung Flu

Ok I need to listen to this a few times. Its over my head

Unfortunately he failed to mention that the Catholic church was selling this Grace.

You feel that way because you look at religion from a utilitarian point of view. Christ already died for your sins you don't need further "justification". You shouldn't be asking: how do I get salvation? you should be asking: how do I participate in God's glory? if you do participate in God's glory with your heart and with your deeds then He won't keep you away from Him

We accept that Grace is the most important thing, that we found when Christ died for us. We accept that Faith is extremely important. We don't accept that works are useless, even James 2:20 and Christ in the Sermoun of the Mount says it. Grace is the open door to Heaven, Faith is the path that leads to it, Works are the little steps that we take towards that open door (Grace), following the path (Faith). Without open door, steps and path are useless. Same thing with an open door and steps, but no path. Same with any combination you desire. Well, you still include good works in your definition, so it's not sola gratia or sola fide, and definitely not Sola Scriptura. I don't want to have an argument with you, brother. Delve deep into Christianity and see where it takes you. Follow God, not a spiteful monk that was openly against tradition and the Apostles. Hopefully you'll come back home, we are praying for you. Also have a look at the traditional Latin mass! Pax tecum, frater!

i need the daily catholic mass

I don't think he was a good person: massive antisemite (we're talking nazi levels), the guy was bloodthirsty look what he did during the peasants revolt, he was a megalomaniac who wanted to destroy the Church that's why he got his own followers because he thought of himself like some sort of prophet, if anyone ever deserved to be called an heretic that was him

Maria Carbone You took a step backwards because Biblical Protestants have never taught that you can have faith and “do whatever you want” that’s called not having real faith AKA never being saved in the first place.

When an orthodox bishop gets in a cab and says, take me to the council, he ends up in Nicea.

That would be a very short video. The only real difference is the question of "the primacy of Peter" and it is not really a theological difference.

​@@mosesking2923 I really appreciate your use of scripture. Most people do not attempt to interact with the bible in their responses and discussions. I also appreciate your point about Justification being a future event in some passages but do you have any scriptures that describe justification as a process rather than a moment? You say justification means to be "declared righteous" which I agree, but how can a declaration be a process? The very definition of the word communicates it to be a moment rather than a process. Even your verses which point to justification as a future event still fit justification being a moment rather than a process.

@@mosesking2923 Just because justification can be reversed, withdrawn or annulled doesn't make it a process. A marriage can be annulled but that doesn't mean you are always in a process of getting married. You are married when the official declares you man and wife. The second before that you were not married. That declaration doesn't begin a process of getting married. You are no more married than you were on the day you were declared married no matter how long it has been. Likewise, when you are declared righteous (justified), you were not justified the second before the declaration and you are not more declared righteous a few months later. You are either married or not and you are either justified or not. The mere premise that it can be revoked doesn't make it a process. That's why I asked if there was any scripture that supported the idea that justification is a process.

@@mosesking2923 So no Scriptures, huh? Indeed, you would be hard pressed to find any biblical grounds for calling a declaration a process. You yourself aptly defined justification as a declaration but because you believe that salvation can be lost you are forced to make justification a process. It's unfortunate that you have a bias against the protestant position.

@@mosesking2923 What is your understanding of Romans 3.20? For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin.

@@mosesking2923 Verses come to mind concerning the need for baptism and confession but where does the Bible say that the Eucharist is essential for salvation?

It's not working for salvation because as Trent says, no one can merit the grace of initial justification, we can only receive it through faith. Until we receive this free gift, we can't do anything. Once we receive it freely by faith, we can increase it by cooperating with the grace. But we are saved by the free gift; the increase is merely for our benefit. Who doesn't want a closer walk with the Lord?

Joseph Boyat how?

The answer is in the question-"missuse." There have always, in every age of the Church, been misuses of whatever kind.

Yeah, after Trent, the selling of indulgences was stopped, so... But of course, the misuse of indulgences was a terrible, terrible thing.

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+brendos444 What clarified this for me was reading about the two different types of Grace described by Trent. www.newadvent.org/cathen/06689a.htm This is completely different to what Protestants understand. Once this is clear, it is obvious that catholics still affirm the necessity of God's involvement in our redemption and perfection. At no time does the Pelagian error enter which says that we can choose not to sin without any assistance from above.

The Catholic Encyclopedia:"Christ by His death redeemed mankind from sin and its bondage. In baptism the guilt of original sin is wiped out and the soul is cleansed and justified again by the infusion of sanctifying grace. But freedom from concupiscence is not restored to man, any more than immortality ; abundant grace, however, is given him, by which he may obtain the victory over rebellious sense and deserve life everlasting." Question answered.

great sportsmenship at it,s very best ...wisdom too...

Sunset Paddy Font call him Padre there’s only 1 Father in heaven.

@@Okogg What do you call your dad? His name?

@@Okogg tell that to st. Paul

@@thouartdust7464 I call him pa haha and u can call you’d dad “father” because be is your biological father, but spiritually speaking you can only call God “Father” even Jesus said this “9 And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.” (Mathew 23:9) one can only be called father in a sense of “leadership” like a “church father” but when you get personal and cling to him as “Father” you are subliminally sharing Gods holy name (in a spiritual way) with a sinful human who is just like you.

You cannot do any better than read the primary documents "The Canons and Decrees of the Council of Trent" and "The Catechism of the Councilpublished by TAN books, and Fr. John O'Malley has a great book on the historical context and behind the scenes goings-on called "Trent: What Happened at the Council".

The Bible, it will explain perfectly how much the catholic church is in error

Genetics has shown that all modern humans actually do come from one man and one woman, my friend. :) It does trace back to Africa, but our faith does not require a literal location or time. God bless!

There's a really good blog post I've found addressing some of that: tofspot.blogspot.ca/2011/09/adam-and-eve-and-ted-and-alice.html. It's by the Hugo award winning author Michael F. Flynn (also a Catholic, btw).

There is great documentary that goes over the genetic dating, called The Human Family Tree. It does mention that Y-chromazonal Adam can be linked to Mitochondrial Eve. You are correct in your point besides that however. :)

shamrockxsd Thank you for the responses guys. I have heard of that, I believe that is on Netflix. I should take a look at it.

Totally non biblical to live in sin yet go to heaven because you say you believe.

@@marcuscaballarius2159 I agree and that is not what I meant, REPENT AND TRUST... Being born again is essential as well, Catholic infant baptism does nothing that is not being born again.. as you know Nicodemus did not know what Jesus was taking about when he says a man must be born again. Most Catholics don't even believe in being born again or they think they are because a priest dumped water on their head as a baby.. I never new what born again was till it happened to me.. desires changed, my faith felt like it went from nothing to three feet thick, my trust was all in for Jesus, I started repenting multiple times a day a decreasing pattern of sin, I know I must hold this faith even in the face of death. This is the work of the holy spirit that regenerated me. But yes we are justified by faith but faith is granted and so is repentance.. there is zero justification to earned through man made sacraments of the Catholic church. I was a Catholic fir 35 years I'm not anymore since I started reading the Bible. The Catholic church says you can lose your justification! This is flat false.. the other thing I noticed is Catholicism constantly negates the work Jesus did on the cross.. let's take purgatory... What is the need for additional purging or cleansing from sin?? Jesus died a perfect sacrifice to pay for the sins. To say we need more purging is to say his sacrifice was not sufficient.. that's not pleasing to God.. then the praying to saints and Mary. Jesus is the conduit to God there is no need for any additional intercession. Mary while she was a virgin while birthing Jesus she was not a virgin her whole life as Jesus has brothers and sisters James being one.. Mary was not a sinless women either. The exaltation of Mary crazy, Jesus himself calls her women.. the immaculate conception, people believe that's is when Jesus was born, Catholics say that is when Mary was born lol. Meaning she was born without original sin, not true either. Sorry for so much here but Catholicism drives me mad.. everything about devalues what Jesus did and the Catholic church tries to insert itself in between man and god... To me the Catholic church is like a knock off product, they try to offer everything that Jesus already accomplished plain and simple.. Catholicism comes crumbling down on Peter alone, Peter was no pope. There is zero evidence if a papal succession in the bible, Peter was even reprimanded in the bible mixing law and grace, he was not even in Rome, if he was pope why didn't he speak to the Romans or be mentioned in the book of Romans at all... The council of Jerusalem, what role did he play there, if he was a pope it should have been a big role. The whole papacy is a position of pride, he calls himself the Vicar of Christ, Christ on earth so to speak, I look at the pope and the pharisees and see a major resemblance in the clothing and the mindset. There is one mediator between God and man and that is christ. I know Catholics have the additional revelation from God with their apocrypha. I would suggest taking a look at the last verses in revelation or actually I post it here. I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book. Revelation 22:18‭-‬19

Jeffrey Galeski Protestants are not fragments of the Catholic Church most of the Protestant churches throughout England and Europe we're confiscated from Catholics by the Protestant movement and vandalised and desecrated at the hands of Protestants into Protestant churchs, the same way that I have seen with my own eyes the vandalism and desecration of what was once authentic Catholic churches at the hands of the Novus ordo over the past 50 years, only one church was established by Christ who is God that was in 33CE, all churches from Martin Luther to the present day are false man-made religions outside of the authentic Catholic Church there is no salvation

No growing justification. We are justified by the death of our Lord Jesus Christ’s death and resurrection. The process you are referring to comes after justification and is classified as Sanctification. It's a lifelong process of growing in faith and sanctity.

@@luis_techie Amen!

By no means! They are beloved children of God and my brothers and sisters in Christ.

Fr. Robert Barron I enjoyed the video and appreciated your conciliatory tone. As a Reformed Christian (Presbyterian) I don't have a problem recognizing the time-bound nature of the Westminster Confession of Faith with regard to its stance on the Pope. It is a human and fallible, albeit useful confession. But how do you get around the 'anathemas' of Trent toward us when Trent is not viewed as fallible and 'anathema' is an innately biblical term (e.g. Gal. 1:8,9)?

Back to Orthodoxy Protestants are Heretics.

Michael Z According to man-made doctrines like infused righteousness and works-based salvation. Why do you need Christ anyways?

+Back to Orthodoxy These are not "man-made" doctrines, any more than the doctrine of the Trinity is "man-made" or the doctrine that Jesus was "fully God and fully man". Listen to Father Barron in this video. He explains the difference between "imputed righteousness" (which could just as easily be called "man-made") and the actual righteousness or perfectibility that the catholic church teaches. This is a key distinction, and dictates whether you believe it is even possible to obey Christ's commands or not. Closely linked to this is the doctrine of works. No one teaches "works-based salvation." What the catholic church teaches is that faith and works go hand in glove. They are inseparable, just as James says clearly and emphatically in chapter 2. If you believe it is impossible to obey God, then of course it is equally impossible for your works to mean anything. Once again, a doctrine results that says that how you behave on this earth does not really matter, since you are "totally depraved" and incapable of redemption in any practical, meaningful way. So pray a prayer, wave a magic wand, and collect your ticket to Heaven, and nothing that happens after that really matters! Where Trent really starts to set the Protestant notions straight is with the doctrine of Grace. Grace is what gives us the power to obey God. This is not what Protestants teach about Grace at all. Actually, Trent laid out two different types of Grace found in Scripture, and this clarifies things immensely. Read about "Actual" Grace and "Sanctifying" Grace here: www.newadvent.org/cathen/06689a.htm

By do that I mean to not include the Word of God with his teachings. The actual heart of the Protestant Reformation is that the Catholic church is not Biblical (justification is merely an example), and by not using the Bible in your video, you don’t exactly prove them wrong.

One would think that when talking about the Church of God, you’d include the Word of God along with it…especially as an elder.