BISPING interviews JAMAHAL HILL: I'll BEAT Pereira and Jiri!

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8 ай бұрын

Michael Bisping interviews Jamahal Hill on vacating the UFC light heavyweight title, Alex Pereia vs Jiri Prochazka fighting for the vacant UFC title, who wins, and how Jamahal believes he’ll beat them both.
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@ARMYEEUU 8 ай бұрын

Jiri is the real champ 🏆 he vacated due to injury first, he's the first champion 🏆 so pereira vs Jiri will be for the real belt 🏆

@rodrigomontes9802 8 ай бұрын

That’s what I hate about this guy saying he’s gonna make em easy work. He beat a glover that was already batten from previous fights at such an old age. Literally retired right after. How can hill say he’s the rightful champ. When Jiri finished glover ( a way better glover)

@justenzo7666 8 ай бұрын

Glover has been batted for years he was old when he fought Jiri and he was old when he fought Jamal, they both won the belt and they both had to vacate it, they were both champs, neither of them were undisputed because neither got to defend it, once they fight we’ll find out who is better but first he needs to beat Alex, so let’s pipe down a bit. 💯

@keonlaney5024 8 ай бұрын

Technically yes, but let’s not forget what Jamal hill did to the guy that gave jiri his title better than jiri by the way

@oscarbuglass4746 8 ай бұрын

Why was he losing to Glover then and won by fluke when Hill won all rounds

@SpyroTek 8 ай бұрын

Using that logic then Jon Jones is the ‘real’ champion…

@jwill9892 8 ай бұрын

Mikey brother it's Jiri's belt. You gotta beat the man to be the man brother. All respect to Jamahal and Jiri both crzy good warriors getting tested early on in their reigns and of course I'll always root for our American champions!

@jordanrussell5797 8 ай бұрын

It’s the UFCs belt .. lol.

@jwill9892 8 ай бұрын

@jordanrussell5797 Really? I thought they came from Bellator.

@jeno5347 8 ай бұрын

"Essentially your belt" Come on Bisping it was Jiri's belt!

@philosopheriq2856 7 ай бұрын

No it’s jamal hill belt he jiti barely survived in his championship.

@jeno5347 7 ай бұрын

@@philosopheriq2856 but afterall he won and never lost the belt

@anglobear2027 6 ай бұрын

@@philosopheriq2856 Jiri finished Glover and whooped his ass in all phases. What are you even talking about?

@killme1389 6 ай бұрын

@@philosopheriq2856I See Someone With An Actual Brain 🧠 Alex Would Get Mauled Against Glover

@zajimavostinainternetu 8 ай бұрын

I would love to hear Michael and Anthony interview Jiri, hopefully soon

@tylerfearrin5186 8 ай бұрын

How is it essentially his belt when he didn't beat Jiri??? Bisping the glazer

@rodrigomontes9802 8 ай бұрын

It ain’t his belt lmfao it’s Jiri’s and has been since he beat glover

@keonlaney5024 8 ай бұрын

Hill beating jiris ass when it came to beating up the same old man jiri struggled and got lucky hill beat glover tf up

@tylerfearrin5186 8 ай бұрын

@keonlaney5024 Glover beats 95% of the division & Jiri choked him out in a fight he was probably gonna lose. That's a champion. And he's undefeated in the UFC, has more knockouts then Hill has fights. Jiri wins the belt vs Alex & defends against Hill & everyone can understand the real champion.

@keonlaney5024 8 ай бұрын

@@tylerfearrin5186 not saying jiris bad but all y’all sitting here acting like Jamal didn’t shake the division and didn’t beat the same dude jamal did better. Yeah champions heart with jiri respect for that but heart ain’t everything sometime that heart needs some defensive effort not just getting punched to hand out one he was able to do that with glovers old ass he wouldn’t be able to do that with any of the younger guys in the top 5 of that division.

@rodrigomontes9802 8 ай бұрын

@@keonlaney5024 do you know how damage will accumulate??? You really think they both got the exact same version of old man glover? Be honest with yourself

@lildurk35 8 ай бұрын

Bro definitely been drinking over the weekend

@vaellanshanmuru6405 8 ай бұрын

So what he’s recovering from a major injury. He cannot train so why not lol

@MikeTheProspect 8 ай бұрын

Are people forgetting this is the UFC. Sure Jamal had an easier time beating Glover than Jiri but that doesn’t mean shit until you actually beat the guy who vacated the title first. In the MW division Cannonier beat Strickland while Strickland moped the floor with Izzy and Cannonier couldn’t do shit against Izzy. Styles make fights for a reason.

@allhandsonsteamdeck1440 Ай бұрын

14:49 BISPING CALLED IT 😂😂😂

@ajo510 8 ай бұрын

good interview guys 💯

@S2C8509 7 ай бұрын

13:15 - I wasn't ready for that Chappelle show reference! 😆

@kingbuusaki7130 8 ай бұрын

Great interview

@andygarza8132 8 ай бұрын

Lol Anthony smith having to accept he sucks and isn’t even in the conversation anymore

@Migehra 8 ай бұрын

Greate interview!

@mattkaiser8984 8 ай бұрын

Hill when he became champ: "I'll fight Pereira" 5 mins later in the interview: "Nah, I'll only fight Jiri" Hill now: "I'll beat Pereira"

@JT76912 8 ай бұрын

What are you talking about? He wanted to fight Jiri first, because Jiri vacated the belt first. Alex was never even in the LHW conversation when Hill became champ because only a few months after Hill won the belt Alex got knocked tf out by Izzy and then decided to move up to LHW.

@marcusbailey3988 8 ай бұрын

@@JT76912It was already decided he was moving up after the 2nd Izzy fight, he was killing himself to make the weight, let's see Izzy fight Alex at 205 😂

@mikemosley2948 8 ай бұрын

@@JT76912 this sounds like a 12 year old cope session…. Hill got destroyed by Paul Craig and won the belt over 40 year old Glover……he never defended and neither did Jiri or Alex. Alex Own’s Izzy’s should at b this point…..3-1 straight up, beat 3 former champions, 4 with Yiri (if he wins) beat both guys who beat Assbender and if he beats Jiri he will become first guy in history to win 2 different weight divisions in 2 different Combat Sports. Izzy didn’t ever win 1 in Glory.😮 You’ll be home with Hill watching Alex make history 😂😂😂

@JohnWilliams-jr3xp 7 ай бұрын

He's always said he'll fight Peirera. He made a video welcoming him to the division. Wtf are you talking about? Just say you don't like him because he acts too black but if he had an accent, fought the same and was from a foreign country he'd be your favorite fighter.

@marcusbailey3988 7 ай бұрын

@JohnWilliams-jr3xp I'm white, from England and I love Hills fighting style and personality, what's him being black got to do with anything?

@mainframe4051 6 ай бұрын

Jamahal is always a great interview man!

@uhder8464 8 ай бұрын

You guys have inspired me to drive home a little tipsy last night, we all do it anyway, didn’t hit nobody so we’re coolin

@osio7528 8 ай бұрын

LMAOOOOOOOOO

@snorkey2462 8 ай бұрын

Glover mangled jiris face with his striking. Jiris defense is none existent and Hill will smash his face in.

@jeremyswann2228 8 ай бұрын

Jiris tapped against Glover when he was on his back but no one saw it 🤔🤫🫣

@snorkey2462 8 ай бұрын

@@jeremyswann2228 losers tried to play it off like he was giving props to glover mid fight in an attempted sub. People are delusional for Jiri and idk why

@prync8710 7 ай бұрын

@@snorkey2462 japan culture = humble, look at interviews even Joe react to it God will always be with the humble and helpful person

@snorkey2462 7 ай бұрын

@@prync8710 god ain’t don’t have a god damn thing to do with it no matter how much you wanna invoke the name. The dude isn’t Japanese. He has his own culture but I guess it isn’t cool enough or humble enough.

@prync8710 7 ай бұрын

@@snorkey2462 he is just saying good job thats it Have a great day

@boclips3459 8 ай бұрын

Imo Jamal is the most overlooked and under rated fighter in the ufc.

@ashleyd1379 8 ай бұрын

Hill has got the best voice! Haha “yaknowwhaimean”

@gamingfreak8331 8 ай бұрын

Bisping, is not essentially Hills bell, but Jiri's and you know it.❤

@ashleyaboley8894 8 ай бұрын

but still beat glover better than jiri did

@tvojemanka 7 ай бұрын

@@ashleyaboley8894beat overtrained, damaged, older fighter by decision, while Jiri finished him, because he tried to fight him, Hill did it more cleanly, but definitely not better

@mainframe4051 6 ай бұрын

@@tvojemankayeah that's makes sense, say it one more time.

@patricknez7258 8 ай бұрын

4:09 that is so true imo

@therezzman4806 8 ай бұрын

Jamahal learned the hard way who HEELwani truly is

@westyk52sparky 8 ай бұрын

good man hill. let ufc keep going. cant wait to seee you come back

@HarshTruth711 8 ай бұрын

Hill is GOOOOOD man. I think he can beat both of them😂 💯

@jamestopple3576 8 ай бұрын

Great fucking interview boyz. Hey Anthony, is that the office that you beat up the intruder??

@Theonethatdid 8 ай бұрын

He’s never been a shredded 6 pack guy tho, he’s always fought with a dad bod

@yankees21393 8 ай бұрын

Once a champ, always a champ. Ain’t jamahal’s fault Jiri got injured

@Glorymole-pv2gt 8 ай бұрын

Jiri is only Light Heavyweight that could potentially beat Jon Jones , if Jones was still in the division.

@user-zg7cf4bs4v 8 ай бұрын

Lmao what? Jiri would get ragdolled by jon, jiri's style is way too easy for jon to capitalise! Heck even craig pose a harder challenge to jones than jiri Ankalaev is the one in LHW that would beat jones, solid chin, great counter striking and can wrestle as well

@Glorymole-pv2gt 8 ай бұрын

@@user-zg7cf4bs4v I said could beat Jones , I wouldn’t put money on it thought, but he’s got better reach of more explosive athletic ability than Anklev.

@user-zg7cf4bs4v 8 ай бұрын

@@Glorymole-pv2gt being explosive doesn't mean sh*t lol that was one of the very reasons why glover was landing that much on him!

@JohnWilliams-jr3xp 7 ай бұрын

Screenshotted this. Might be the most casual comment I've ever read and I hate the word casual.

@Glorymole-pv2gt 7 ай бұрын

@@JohnWilliams-jr3xpHow did Jon Jones do against guys who Jiri brutally KOed ? ( he lost ) MMA math doesn’t always work out , but you have way to much faith in Jones and his very average striking ability vs someone like Jiri.

@joefosh 8 ай бұрын

Jamahal is a very outspoken personality, n I wouldn't personally be banking on him beating either of them. Unless he's got tricks on the ground he's never tried to utilise, it would be a one-sided beating from either opponent

@ashleyaboley8894 8 ай бұрын

he took down glover didnt he

@gorgemainframe 8 ай бұрын

Man Pereira will be a had fight that guys built like a brick sh*thouse

@warmeds2009 8 ай бұрын

Any one of these guys can win on any given day. Styles make fights...

@sasquatchmindcontrol 8 ай бұрын

Truth bombs ❤️

@higeki3232 8 ай бұрын

Hill has all the tools to beat both guys but so do they!I love this trifecta of entertainment and violence we get to all watch unfold in the LHW division!!!

@thafightgame5383 8 ай бұрын

Jiri Vs Jamal will be for the real belt , Jamal still became champ just like Jiri did they have to fight eachother for the belt to see who’s champ imo yes Jiri was first but Jamal still did it you can’t ignore that .

@gerryhazelton9569 8 ай бұрын

Hill can’t beat either guy . He’s smoking some good stuff .

@justinaller4899 8 ай бұрын

Anthony swinging left and right on Hills balls 😂.

@Fitzmaie 8 ай бұрын

I know your not use to having a friend but friends are like this.

@sasquatchmindcontrol 8 ай бұрын

Michaels warming up to the conspiracy 🥳 Michael - Gods number 1 warrior

@AfroViking300 8 ай бұрын

Bro said "it's me and Kev what are you gonna do" then had to rethink it "Yea we in Texas" 🤣 Still crazy that guy ain't know who he was playing with tho.

@sylvesterstillalone 8 ай бұрын

Jamahal hill would starch both and their stans can’t believe it

@mikemosley2948 8 ай бұрын

Jamal ain’t beating Shit……got disabled versus Paul Craig and lucky to fight old ass Glover. We’ll see how good he is when he fights someone else with power……until then, unproven.😮

@sylvesterstillalone 8 ай бұрын

@@mikemosley2948 goldfish memory.. Jamahal stiffed walker who is widely regarded as the best athlete in the sport, prior to a title shot

@mikemosley2948 8 ай бұрын

@@sylvesterstillalone best athlete in the sport? Johnny Walker was getting knocked out every fight……. Three in a row………. Alexa Grosso could blast that glass chin. Have not been impressed by him although he did get the win against a fading Anthony Smith. You might be right about Jamahal but Johnny Walker? 😯

@sylvesterstillalone 8 ай бұрын

@@mikemosley2948 yes the same walker who is a win away from a title shot and has record setting numbers across most metrics at the PI🤷‍♂️

@JohnWilliams-jr3xp 7 ай бұрын

Its painful and sad why ppl dnt like him. This communities demographic hates him for no reason

@jsavage9134 7 ай бұрын

5:30 what sucks for me though, I’ve became a big Alex P fan & want to hopefully one day see Alex vs Izzy 3 for the title at Light Heavyweight but man, but it sucks bc if Alex wins, he’s gotta face Jamahal Hill & I don’t want either to lose, Hill is from Grand Rapids, I’m from Lansing Michigan, so that finna be a hard one for me, will be the first time since I’ve watched this sport from 2009 where I’ll be in this situation, I also just believe this is what will happen bc Jiri I think is just too wild for Alex to not land & most likely KO.

@crookedwiretap89 8 ай бұрын

Hey man, you gotta let Dan pray

@PJ-po6xy 8 ай бұрын

I love Hill, but he has a knack for fighting with his chin out. He has a granite chin but that can get worn down real quick

@JT76912 8 ай бұрын

A knack for having his chin out? I think you're talking about Jiri, when is the last time you saw someone piece Jahamal up? The same cant be said for Alex and Jiri.

@kingbuusaki7130 8 ай бұрын

Yeah you're definitely talking about somebody else. He's only gotten damage to his eye and that Paul Craig elbow dislocation..Usually he comes out clean

@isisdaddy1 8 ай бұрын

I had both mine tear. The comeback is the best feeling in the world.

@unclejunior2668 8 ай бұрын

most likely it’s going to be a rough comeback with such a bad injury… especially when you’re fighting at the highest level on the planet… he might be fkd.. he’s also no spring chicken, he’s gonna be 33 by the time he gets back… I dunno I don’t see it.

@johnnyforsythe9713 8 ай бұрын

@@unclejunior2668i see him making a full recovery I've seen happen num erous times . It's not as big a deal for a fighter then it is for an NBA or NFL player ect.. I think he'll be fine man. Just takes a strong will person forsure

@brickflair8926 8 ай бұрын

A double blow job is the best feeling in the world 😂

@crimsonking4151 6 ай бұрын

@@unclejunior2668 33 is young af at LHW

@qball8437 8 ай бұрын

Ariel gonna f' around and get 'beatup....you dont play fuck fuck with men like the fighter's.......he gone fuck around and find out pullin shit like this 💯

@astrostar7018 7 ай бұрын

Jamahall is talking like , Alex N Jiri are two little boys ….Hmmmm!!! Lets see if he back that up

@johannludwigwolfgang2889 8 ай бұрын

Paper champ

@tvojemanka 7 ай бұрын

To Hill: Jiri will be ready for you, dont get scared an injured again. After all this shit you talk, you're getting knocked out.

@halfonit 8 ай бұрын

Like Dana said: "Ariel's a victim." He's that type of person.

@VinnyMo77 8 ай бұрын

Can’t wait for Bryce!

@peopleschampiii584 8 ай бұрын

Damn bro, he should not have been playing basketball. In the Army more people get injured playing basketball than in actual operations, its crazy. His coaches should have told him to find something else to do for fun.

@mikis91 8 ай бұрын

Jamahal high Heal

@momsbasementmma4842 8 ай бұрын

Michael the drunk driver Bisping

@s.v.gadder1443 8 ай бұрын

I like Jamal

@al.s9351 8 ай бұрын

Has to be jamal vs jiri thats only right two injuries two champs .

@atefelabed8365 8 ай бұрын

With all due respect to Jamal, I personally think he is a champion more down to luck of the draw but good for him. He beat Glover Texeira which in my opinion was well past his sell by date and he hasn't defended his title not even once and now he's injured. He would 100% lose his belt against Pereira, Ankalaev or Prochazka and he wouldn't have got it in the first place had he faced anyone of them instead of Texeira.

@poofbah431 8 ай бұрын

Glover way past his sell by date after a 5 round war with Jiri?!?!?!?!?!

@randomdude4669 8 ай бұрын

@@poofbah431you forgetting that jiri finished him? People always leave that out, and he lost a decision to hill 😂

@poofbah431 8 ай бұрын

@@randomdude4669 I didn’t forget that I’m just saying how could say Glover is past his sell by date. That’s down playing both Jiri and Hill. People just say whatever they want to discredit Hill

@OoLiiMiiT3D 8 ай бұрын

@@randomdude4669Glover was about to win a decision against Jiri, like he had him rocked against the cage, but then he shot a useless takedown wich gassed him out, and Jiri choked him out in the last 30 seconds. If Glover just kept throwing punches he would have probably won a decision. Jamahal beat Glover up bad, like really bad. His fight was far more impressive.

@renzoalmondocappondo2022 8 ай бұрын

Dont even explain it to these idiots. Just bet on Hill when he fights Jiri or Alex and laugh to the bank brother @@OoLiiMiiT3D

@russticer6009 8 ай бұрын

Jiri gave up the belt mike 😉

@isisdaddy1 8 ай бұрын

Rehab in a pool bro. The best way.

@dionoliveira4058 8 ай бұрын

I'm with Jamahal on Ariel ...he's a tad slimy and winey

@markgraver4743 8 ай бұрын

Great interview with Jamal, but you’re going to have to do something great to beat the one with Bryce Mitchell

@messizola 8 ай бұрын

last word, then yours

@anthonypirtle5118 7 ай бұрын

I feel he was scared to fight either one of them that are fighting for the title ! He faked an injury

@bobbybenjani1978 8 ай бұрын

I don’t know about Jamahal. He’s good but can he beat Jiri and Alex? I don’t think so but he does fight smart.

@mikeoxlong6563 7 ай бұрын

I think him and Alex are closer then people think it I still think Alex eats his leg and handles

@Zootedzah 7 ай бұрын

That’s pereira belt.

@REAPERLIFE-ky6xs 8 ай бұрын

yaaa i don't think so.

@funtech7159 8 ай бұрын

champ of fries and mayo

@viking_nor 8 ай бұрын

Right

@Aggravated-audi0 8 ай бұрын

Love smith love him

@anglobear2027 6 ай бұрын

Hill is flat wrong. Jiri was clinical on the feet against Glover. Glover is just made of steel.

@kevind3203 8 ай бұрын

Alex would destroy Jamahal Hill.

@SweetSweat. 7 ай бұрын

With mouth everyone can beat anything. 😂

@ewww21 8 ай бұрын

Jiri has a lof of holes, keeps his chin up, does that weird ass chakra shit. If he can fight intelligently, he has the skills in other area to beat Pereira and that means ignoring feints i guess.

@jayn6943 8 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure both of them beat Hill, but okay.

@jarekNo 8 ай бұрын

That guy didt defend that belt with no one😂 and will never have that belt again

@JovannyFernandezRivera 8 ай бұрын

champ material bro, review his fights, his defense is on all the time and hits like a truck

@Fitzmaie 8 ай бұрын

Neither did Jan Jiri or Alex. So what the point of your comment?

@jarekNo 8 ай бұрын

@@Fitzmaie Jan defended his belt with Adesanya/ Pereira was not Champ in LHW- Prochazka for now is the Real Champ not Hill

@keonlaney5024 8 ай бұрын

Neither did juri but think who beat glovers ass easier juri was losing that fight till he got the lucky choke in the last 50 seconds of the fight

@kingbuusaki7130 8 ай бұрын

A lot of haters in the chat

@user-uh1gd5fm4y 8 ай бұрын

Best ever. Do you know my name yet I think that I the best for me.

@strawhats4858 8 ай бұрын

Bisping has lost his balls with age.. it’s Jiri belt

@leetmango 8 ай бұрын

Could not click fast enough. Also Ariel is a clown for trying to set Jamal up.

@mtbfever8578 8 ай бұрын

Wow 😮 Instead of 2 delusional people We got 3 today 🤗 ID call you Salty crew or delusional attack 😂

@sharonsvoboda6739 8 ай бұрын

I mean who did Jamahal actualy beat from real top 5 contenders? Jiri? Alex? Jan? Rakic? Ankalaev? No he didn't yet he call himself champion... I remember very well how mediocre he was against washed out Santos...

@sharkfinsurfchannel 8 ай бұрын

Hill had the luckiest/easiest championship run and thinks he's an all-time great 😅

@user-lr6iu8xu9i 8 ай бұрын

defend a friend. dont defend izzy.

@juliussvk7169 8 ай бұрын

Come on mike.its jiris belt.hill has never beat an real champion but he feels like it's his belt.lhw division is now more interesting and fun.

@sam7975 7 ай бұрын

I like jamal but Alex will knock him out cold 100%

@Ovrlol 8 ай бұрын

I mean hills belt eas jiris so

@messizola 8 ай бұрын

last word podcast

@microphonebless 8 ай бұрын

Def should not be playin basketball if your a pro athlete in another sport. Injuries are bound to happen. Speedy recovery 🤜🤛

@lildurk35 8 ай бұрын

I’ll beat bro rn for free

@Eversgarden 8 ай бұрын

I’d bet on you

@ashleyaboley8894 8 ай бұрын

do you know who hill is

@realeyesrealizereallies6828 8 ай бұрын

When your in your 30's and a professional athlete, getting pudgy can be career ending, it's not rocket science..You have the rest of your life for weed and Doritos...

@unclejunior2668 8 ай бұрын

and as a pro a torn achilies can be career ending in your 30s… that’s a horrible injury… I don’t think he will be the same.

@tracial3730 8 ай бұрын

⁠Achilles injury isn't as important in fighting as it would be in football or basketball, you don't have to run around as much in the octagon and theres been people that fully recovered from Achilles injuries and came back just as good

@kingbuusaki7130 8 ай бұрын

You must be new

@KyleDavis1 8 ай бұрын

the weight has nothing to do with it he addressed that claim in a past video the injury was going to happen

@OoLiiMiiT3D 8 ай бұрын

Its not as bad in these higher weight divisions. Its way worse for the small guys, because the have to be extremely fast and have all these crazy techniques etc. 😂 the big boys can even get away with older age, compared to the smaller ones.

@marcjov8149 8 ай бұрын

Hill gets his ass whooped by alex and jiri..easily

@oscarbuglass4746 8 ай бұрын

Jiri yes Pereira no

@jeremy9149 8 ай бұрын

Dont go against helwani paper champ you'll get 10-7d

@jayscott9860 8 ай бұрын

Light heavy is up for grabs. He’s no more the champ than jiri

@forever1909 8 ай бұрын

Hills right! Ariel the pot stirring guy

@Bill_Dippertly 6 ай бұрын

RACHEAL

@Dadcollects 8 ай бұрын

Jamahal Hill destroyed the fighter who was on his way to destroy Jiri until he threw a Hail Mary choke…. It’s Jamal’s belt lol

@gorgemainframe 8 ай бұрын

Sup?

@lildurk35 8 ай бұрын

Definitely not beating Alex😂😂😂😂

@justinjasper03 8 ай бұрын

or jiri

@billyyyyy__ 8 ай бұрын

He has better defense than pereria and very similar amount of power he beats them both fairly easily I think

@martindallavia4585 8 ай бұрын

No way.

@RedDragon1337 8 ай бұрын

Omalley definitely can't beat Sterling, Strickland definitely can't beat Adesanya.

@brodysievers5163 8 ай бұрын

@@RedDragon1337"Jones will kill Stipe"

@michaelhill6451 8 ай бұрын

Yeah. Jamal is delusional but he has a cool last name.

@ashleyaboley8894 8 ай бұрын

how is he delusional

@sodobson 8 ай бұрын

205 most boring division in MMA presently- FACT

@nasersi6365 8 ай бұрын

you lost against Paul Craig lol how do you want to beat Jiri or Pereira ? they are on different level. Also don't forget that you become champ just because Jiri let you. Sooner or later you gonna get humbled.

@ashleyaboley8894 8 ай бұрын

well he beat jiri better than glover so thats hpw he can beat jiri who he and alex have non existent defense