⚡️ Bitcoin Lightning Network Routing Fees Explained w/ Carsten Otto

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Jonathan Levi - Bitcoin for the Masses

Күн бұрын

Without a doubt, the most confusing part of running a Bitcoin Lightning Network Node is pricing and fee structures. ppm? Base Fee? How much should you charge? Flat rates? Proportional pricing? Or what?
In this video, I sit down for an extended conversation with top Lightning Network Bitcoin Node operator Carsten Otto, to discuss the various strategies people employ to run a lightning network node successfully.
We discuss the prevailing Bitcoin lightning network pricing strategies, as well as their pro's and cons, and share our experiences running a Bitcoin full node.
🎥 IN THIS VIDEO 🎥
🟧 Why does this matter for running a Bitcoin Lightning Network Node? 0:00
🟧 Who is Carsten Otto? 01:29
🟧 Meet Carsten 02:51
🟧 Why is Lightning Network routing pricing so confusing? 11:36
🟧 Lightning Network Pricing Strategy #1: Fixed Price Routing - Pros & Cons 17:06
🟧 Lightning Network Pricing Strategy #2: Dynamic Pricing - Pros & Cons 23:26
🟧 What would a "perfect" pricing strategy look like? 28:23
🟧 Lightning Network Pricing Strategy #3: Human Judgement - Pros & Cons 36:28
🟧 Zero Base Fee... what's the deal with that? 43:40
🟧 Summary & Conclusions: What do we know now, and how can you improve your Lightning Net work Routing Node? 48:46
🟧 What is Carsten most excited about when it comes to Bitcoin? 50:54
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🟧 Rebalance LND by Carsten Otto github.com/C-Otto/rebalance-lnd
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🟧 Charge-LND repricing script github.com/accumulator/charge...
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@Bitcoinftm 2 жыл бұрын

Hey all! Thanks for watching. I'd love to know what your biggest takeaways from this episode were... and also, what are YOUR pricing strategies?

@souravkumarpanda6400 2 жыл бұрын

How to set routing fees and how to make our mynodebtc listen on please tell or share the link where you have told

@griffinschwab 2 жыл бұрын

Love the video thank you for making content to help new node operators!

@Bitcoinftm 2 жыл бұрын

My pleasure!

@tn9753 2 жыл бұрын

Discovered this vid late. Thanks to both of you.

@Bitcoinftm 2 жыл бұрын

Welcome!

@dPointe 2 жыл бұрын

Wow, this was a masterclass on fees!

@chopsuey69 2 жыл бұрын

The topic I was waiting for!

@Bitcoinftm 2 жыл бұрын

You and LOTS of people truthfully :)

@chopsuey69 2 жыл бұрын

@@Bitcoinftm Hi Jonathan, first big thanks for bringing this content! For the last couple of weeks I am searching for info about this topic and I couldn't find a lot about it. Question ; do you have like an private/open group on telegram/discord where we could discuss this topic further between the people who are interested in it? As you said, even Bolsworth is still figuring it out, so for sure us ;-)

@trijenhout Жыл бұрын

wowww every 20 sec a 'working' balance... there i am whit 15 channels ;-). Thanks for the work!!!

@Bitcoinftm Жыл бұрын

You're welcome! But check out my latest video on LNDG, that's even more advanced and automatic :)

@petervr406 2 жыл бұрын

enjoy the content on your channel, thanks. please do take care with the audio, it's out of sync with the video, makes it a bit more challenging to watch

@Bitcoinftm 2 жыл бұрын

Yikes, thanks for the feedback. I recorded on Zoom Cloud like a dummy, so that's probably why.

@weissmannrob 2 жыл бұрын

Thanks, great insides. There will never be THE right way, because there are too many different strategies working at the same time, so it’s a highly dynamic process. Not so nice for the individual wanna make money on fees, but good for the Lightning Network itself.

@jasonrowles1709 2 жыл бұрын

Outstanding

@Bitcoinftm 2 жыл бұрын

Flattered!

@brunopita450 2 жыл бұрын

thanks a lot

@Bitcoinftm 2 жыл бұрын

Happy to help

@CryptoGodson Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this! So helpful for a noob like me just now starting to take my Bitcoin/lightning node seriously

@Bitcoinftm Жыл бұрын

Awesome, so glad I can help. We have a TON of tutorials like this past present and future, so make sure you're subbed!

@lazyrudi2316 2 жыл бұрын

Yesterday I ordered a Node and I looking forward being part of the revolution but I‘m surprised about the strategy required to run the Node. For all newcomer it would be very helpful to get more content how to start and customize the own Node. I‘m not really interested in making money. I want to help getting the Lightning Network run, efficient, decentralized and secured and bring more anonymity to the user/transactions.

@Bitcoinftm 2 жыл бұрын

Grats!

@goolash1000 2 жыл бұрын

I hear ya. I just built a node yesterday, and am getting ready to set it up this weekend.

@taostellar3450 2 жыл бұрын

Mr. Levi, Thanks for doing this video. Super. Dr. Otto says a lot and doesn't say a lot more. Fascinating, his expansion on Rene Pickhardt and Stefan Waster's paper, implying that the lightning network algorithm is with child! Twins? A hard problem, indeed; leave it to an algo.

@Bitcoinftm 2 жыл бұрын

LOL!

@DerekDominoes 2 жыл бұрын

What's a good way to decide how much BTC to keep in your Lightning Node wallet?

@Wurmminister 2 жыл бұрын

Depends how risky you are. How much money would you be confident to put in your wallet when you go out? That would be the amount you should put in

@AdlerSantos 9 ай бұрын

I have another way of thinking about the price, if you increase the charge when your liquidity is being low, the lack of Satoshis push the prices up, as we see on an open market. If you want those satoshis, you have to pay more. And, sometimes you have not to rebalance a channel that, let me say, have about to 30% on my side, I have a greater chance of route satoshis from another channel that have lower fees, and trace a route passing through this channel that have 30%, increasing his liquidity of my side, saving from a rebalance.

@shmu356 2 жыл бұрын

@Jonathan you need to make a video on how to set charges... im looking on the net for 5 days, and still have no idea how to set fees on MyNode or in RTL, and so on.

@Bitcoinftm 2 жыл бұрын

You mean, you literally don't know how to change your channel pricing? You can go into Thunderhub, click on the channel, then "Update Details" and it'll allow you to change pricing there :)

@shmu356 2 жыл бұрын

@@Bitcoinftm thanks, i haven't open channels yet, just trying to learn before implementing. i change the price after i open the channel, not before ?

@anakaoka 2 жыл бұрын

How do you know if your wallet / server has a path to the person you want to pay?

@Bitcoinftm 2 жыл бұрын

jle.vi/amboss Explains nicely :)

@tronziebit 2 жыл бұрын

Dude, like the content, but please, normalize the audio. Constantly adjusting volume... 🤔

@yagoa 2 жыл бұрын

The Pixel has always been half as fast as well ;)

@taostellar3450 2 жыл бұрын

Mr. Levi, what is the effect going to be on the current lightning network when Taproot goes live? Boom!?

@Bitcoinftm 2 жыл бұрын

There are a lot of different effects, but the big one is, you won't be able to see on the blockchain that a transaction was a channel opening/closing - which makes it even more private. Right now, you can see which transactions are multisig - that changes in Taproot.

@taostellar3450 2 жыл бұрын

@@Bitcoinftm Will we have to close out our current open channels and then re-establish when TAPROOT is activated?

@thepr0m3th3an 2 жыл бұрын

What are the risks of running a lightning node?

@CarstenOtto 2 жыл бұрын

Loss of funds, basically

@thepr0m3th3an 2 жыл бұрын

@@CarstenOtto How do you best mitigate these risks?

@Bitcoinftm 2 жыл бұрын

Don't put TOO much on your node that you can't afford to lose, use secure strong passwords, don't advertise where you keep your node, etc.

@hthring 2 жыл бұрын

Btc price going down...

@ErickArndt 2 жыл бұрын

This topic has such great potential but it takes wayyyy too long to get to the topic. Jump to 25 min mark and skip all their small talk. Then they beat around the bush and it feels very low energy. How about this: “Hey guys, start with x as a channel min fee and then review it nightly. Lower it y if you see no action and raise it z if you do. You should have a min of X channels open, channel size, etc”. This should be a 6 min video. I was hoping for more. I’ll keep looking.

@Bitcoinftm 2 жыл бұрын

Sorry you felt that way :)