This team is rising to popularity, and I wanted to do a step by step visual guide on the fundamentals on it, with runes, and explanations. Credit to Hydrocarbonate and しょーとくGAMES. / bj5_balegyr_janssen_r5... / @shotoku777
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@dowLoveTap4 жыл бұрын
"this is gonna be a long video" 25min video "this is gonna be a short video" 23min video
@joshzie48144 жыл бұрын
"this is gonna be a long video" 25 min video "this is gonna be a short video" 58 min video
@eggyrepublic3 жыл бұрын
"the monsters need to be squishy" me: it's like I was made for this
@itsahrims4 жыл бұрын
just gotta say, i appreciate your hustling on making these videos. I love your content, even though I almost never play any more cause i'm tired of the lack of game improvements, your videos still make me smile.
@SchizophrenicGamer4 жыл бұрын
Thanks azerawth, I feel you though on leaving the game for lack of content, and improvements, I agree. They eventually do things, but it's almost always too little too late, consistently.
@itsahrims4 жыл бұрын
@@SchizophrenicGamer I just find it frustrating seeing all the big content creators, like yourself, and a majority of the community asking for change, and c2u being so blatantly ignorant to some minor changes that would great improve the quality of the game without hurting their wallets... I guess for me, after playing for 5+ years, no LD nat 5, and unable to keep up in any PVP content because I'm not a whale, is frustrating lol. Anyways, I'll hop off my soapbox Xd keep being awesome. Love your stuff. Also, merch?
@dragnil4l404 жыл бұрын
Why do I get the feeling that the moment i go through the trouble of building this team com2us is going to fuk us up.
@johnturtle66493 жыл бұрын
2021 string master team "we hear you"
@fortnitegods30464 жыл бұрын
Love this channel been watching for 5 years now
@logand17264 жыл бұрын
In the slides you made, loren did not have will runes. She was oblivioned. Therefore she cannot apply defense break. I dunno if you noticed but people need to know that loren has to have will runes
@SchizophrenicGamer4 жыл бұрын
I'm not sure what you mean. At 14:00 the slide I made shows loren should be double fight will, and at 14:20 the rune example from the japanese player shows double fight will. I think maybe you mean 17:30. That was a screenshot from Hydrocarbonate runs, but she should be on will runes to prevent oblivion. That's not my loren, that's just screencaps I took from his runs.
@profanegaming28294 жыл бұрын
@@logand1726 And specifically Hydro has some reason for why she isn't on will. He stated why in the SeanB video but I can't remember.
@foxlery4 жыл бұрын
@@profanegaming2829 His reason was he was dicking around, he has her on Fight/Fight/Will now
@michaelwhite14034 жыл бұрын
I was just waiting for the who should not build this part 😂😂😂😂
@aldothelizard66694 жыл бұрын
that boss in "win yay" step be like: bruh stop abusing me and my other 2 cephalons
@lordkratos47473 жыл бұрын
LOL its literally the same time when i started watching it 4:45am in(my time zone - Poland) i feel you bagel
@danyalnov44484 жыл бұрын
Heads up, having Fran below 191 spd includes towers.
@DanielKedzierski4 жыл бұрын
18:55 "its her passive" - Oblivion 2019
@lovestruck37734 жыл бұрын
Will runes
@DanielKedzierski4 жыл бұрын
@@lovestruck3773 I see oblivion i dont see immunity.
@lovestruck37734 жыл бұрын
@@DanielKedzierski She SHOULD be on will runes and then fran SHOULD buff immunity so oblivion should never get on her.
@jeffm25864 жыл бұрын
@@DanielKedzierski Someone else's landed.
@toprankdavid46294 жыл бұрын
thats what i said, smh, noob bagel :D
@MultiJellybones4 жыл бұрын
you're awake till 4AM in the morning? damn bagel that entertainment room is leeching the life out of u
@SchizophrenicGamer4 жыл бұрын
I don't get to use it that much, I work a lot on re-recording videos and prepping stuff for new videos. I'm up until sunrise quite a lot, especially when com2us releases new patches at 4am or other things.
@ShikifuyinYT4 жыл бұрын
Lots or imprecisions and errors here ... 1 - BJR more reliable than BSR .... NO ! Both are 100% ... BJR is timer optimized and harder to rune, BSR (last ace's version with leads) is optimized for minimal rune requirements at the cost of 10 secs for the runs ... and is MUCH more accessible. In both case, fails only happen when all 3 loren fail def break which is a probability of 0.005960 % ! 2 - DONT USE VIDURR !!! USE DAGORA !!! Turns out Vidurr has a weird bug with his HP values which can make fran derp ! 3 - Not mentionned but Baleygr needs 30-32k on last hit as a damage reference 4 - Fran better than colleen ? NO ! They are exactly equivalent in this team, immune is useless. Both don't derp. Syncing between teams is better if all 3 players run the same. Actually, Colleen is slightly better since she has a shorter animation time on s3. 5 - The max speed of 191 for the fastest monster is AFTER tower buff and everything, the max speed on monster stats is +74, assuming maxed speed tower. 6 - You don't emphasize enough ... Max DPS towers (fire, ATT, CDMG) is REQUIRED, and actually so does HP and DEF towers in principle ! Shihwa is REQUIRED too, that 40% is key ! 7 - Leader to be sacrified must be on triple fight, no will on it ! Last point - YOU DO NOT NEED WILL ON FRAN AND JANSSEN ! You can play them on triple fight and have a grand total of 13 fight sets to ease rune requirements ! The speed tuning just needs to take into account when they get slow debuff ! That's it !!
@twister1star1124 жыл бұрын
There is also the fact that Loren can use will instead of the frontline, because she can't def break if she is affected by oblivion
@jigokusoul4 жыл бұрын
i think your extra explanation is appreciated, but your msg doesnt needa sound so condescending to the vid. bagels just tryna help and introduce it to the community. you might be right, but still gotta be nice to others~
@Kyle-jb7dc4 жыл бұрын
what stats would you need without a maxed fire tower and just atk and crit dmg? i'm aware it's hyper useful. but couldn't you offset it by additional atk% somewhere? just higher requirements.
@widowmak3r8134 жыл бұрын
Only thing the video doesn’t really cover is Fran stats. Showed Colleen instead. Other than that it’s a pretty good work up.
@_fayris53564 жыл бұрын
Gonna wait after the Balance Patch I can sense a Baley Nerf
@kazz943 жыл бұрын
1:40 Bagel: "It's literally 4:45 in the morning" *me watching this at **4:48** in the morning*
@Ripmav4 жыл бұрын
I love these visual guides.
@Alki214 жыл бұрын
Love a good BJR5
@mayomayoh83974 жыл бұрын
しょーとくGAMES is "Show-toe-coo Games" or in romaji shotoku games
@bradleywelch92904 жыл бұрын
the second character is a "yo" and the first "shi" , it should be "shyo" not "show" when u put them together brether. good job.
@jigokusoul4 жыл бұрын
omg was just lookin into bae
@-Shiro_4 жыл бұрын
4:45 It's read as "Shootoku" or just "Shotoku" (IDK why exactly she/he use the dash)
@a_c354 жыл бұрын
the - is to extend the sound, so just makes it pronounced differently, much like Loren has it in her name as without it it wouldnt sound like the English name Loren
@DummyCrosS4 жыл бұрын
@@a_c35 Basicly, his name is income
@-Shiro_4 жыл бұрын
@@a_c35 Yes, that's what ー do. But is kinda strange to use it in hiragana instead of the character "う" (or "あ"/"え"/"い" if there is no closed vowel before). That's why I say "I don't know why she/he use the dash". She/he may mean: "Shootoku" or "Sho toku"/"Sho-toku"/"Shotoku".
@-Shiro_4 жыл бұрын
Also, foreign names are always written in katakana, that's why Loren name is written "ローレン" instead of "ろうれん"
@coffee4laif2644 жыл бұрын
Pronounced like "show tock" closest words i can come up with. Give it u (ooh) sound at the end.
@scottfujimoto86284 жыл бұрын
Bagel, do an analysis/prediction video for SWC 2019 finals please.
@chaoskidify4 жыл бұрын
@17:47 I thought that loren needed to be on will? and I think I saw on seanB's vid that janssen can be on triple fight instead
@jordank72504 жыл бұрын
Lots of variations of this team.
@johnsims99074 жыл бұрын
Loren is better with will as if she gets oblivion you don't get armor break
@chaoskidify4 жыл бұрын
@@johnsims9907 exactly what I want to point out there
@kwlzyr4 жыл бұрын
15:24 she should be on will. he just took some random pics to show the turnorder
@ItsChrisBTW4 жыл бұрын
Thanks man was looking for this!
@leifalley71673 жыл бұрын
is this guide still accurate over a year later?
@toprankdavid46294 жыл бұрын
Does the atk stat include fight runes or not? because with fight runes i have 2000+ atk but without i have 1400+ atk with 230% CD
@TownklerTrades4 жыл бұрын
Follow the guide on reddit to properly sync your team. Most frusterating part is when the team desync's or over / under shoots requirements (EHP etc)
@23Fists4 жыл бұрын
It's a viking, shouldn't it be pronounced (YAHNS-sin)?
@SchizophrenicGamer4 жыл бұрын
Yes :)
@JesusChrist-uc8ct3 жыл бұрын
And they call me yeezus
@basselsak61113 жыл бұрын
@@JesusChrist-uc8ct AHAHAHAHAH
@serkiis.y83914 жыл бұрын
Oh shit it's the smitty werbenjagerman"jensen" comp
@tokutakutoys56264 жыл бұрын
The Japanese that you are giving the credit for this team is "Shotoku GAMES", but it's not him who created this BJR5 team but this Japanese とらあちゃんねる "Toraa Channel"
@noremac2514 жыл бұрын
On global, Ace has been using 333 as the BSR5 channel. Just reminding players that 65 is not the Bale channel.
@Sniffyy4 жыл бұрын
have yall noticed theres a groggo gorgo grego grogen Nice job com2us...
@fabrizioboggio13344 жыл бұрын
My favourite is Woosa Woonsa
@blackkyurem7204 жыл бұрын
@@fabrizioboggio1334 u forgot Woonhak
@kainiakmaniac22544 жыл бұрын
Or even Hwa Hwahee Hwadam Shihwa (Sorta) Huan and Hong hua They really like the "Hwa" sound
@NobleLaika4 жыл бұрын
how about janssen and jansson
@kevinkraus52124 жыл бұрын
Nice vid :D With the meta keeps changing really often are there any new beginner R5 Teams? Asking for a friend.. xD
@melind824 жыл бұрын
For a beginner your best bet is to farm up good 6* runes and not worry about grinds yet. You can go into R4 a bit as you gear up this team, but unless something drastic happens in the next 6 months you should plan to build and bling out a baleygr, he'll be used for sure.
@p.g.6374 жыл бұрын
I dont get why the Hwa needs to be on will, wouldn't it be better if she's on full fight?
@donut28434 жыл бұрын
yes full fight is better
@ItsRayful4 жыл бұрын
makes it more reliable in case dragon gets first breath off on you and blocks her passive
@asmosisyup25574 жыл бұрын
@@ItsRayful she's only there for leader skill and death, her passive is meaningless.
@davidlider15964 жыл бұрын
Pretty sure for consistent runs balegyr need like plus 9k hp and plus 400 def with totems maxed
@d48lo304 жыл бұрын
Great video, thx bagel
@nvnddon4 жыл бұрын
the crit leads wont stack unless its an all around crit buff and a specific fire crit buff. I know Bagel knows but just info for others
@Boronesss4 жыл бұрын
schizophrenic gamer just the best sw content creator!
@LiIBIue4 жыл бұрын
Just read the bjr5 reddit post, it's way shorter and there is also a visual to make it easier to understand :)
@jordank72504 жыл бұрын
Or just watch the video...
@ShinEn_Oni4 жыл бұрын
For those who think bale might get nerfed, it is possible but unlikely to happen coz if they do that they'll also be nerfing kbr5
@johnturtle66493 жыл бұрын
Seanb is saying to NOT use fire giant warrior, because something about his animations de synchs the team. Just a heads up. Any other leader listed here is fine.
@psuguy2214 жыл бұрын
Woohoo, thanks Bagel!
@mz74804 жыл бұрын
Wait if the frontliner was there just to die, why would they put will runes on them? 🤔
@MrBurn2dust4 жыл бұрын
you need one that self revives there and if that unit doesnt have will he may get oblivion and not revive. The other unit however doesnt need will. And lets be honest, those white will runes you can farm in 1 second in scenario
@kwlzyr4 жыл бұрын
they don't need will. triple fight is fine
@mattywalsh114 жыл бұрын
Oblivion
@SchizophrenicGamer4 жыл бұрын
to prevent oblivion, so they can self revive
@JuanFranco-mq7js4 жыл бұрын
just building my raids team, thanks dude, u saved me
@katestrada4966 Жыл бұрын
Great tutorial
@maxkorn70214 жыл бұрын
The bale dose not need skill ups if ur runes are good enough. Just try with friends and if he dose 30k on the last hit (without brand!!) he’s good enough. But u do need a bit hp so he survives the jump etc
@rasengan367tna4 жыл бұрын
30k is for BS but for BJ you need 32k+ and reaching 32k+ without skill up and tankyness? OMG the runes quality needed. So for BS you can spare devilmon but for BJ nonsense not to skill up him
@_fayris53564 жыл бұрын
Too bad for BJ5 it needs +32k...
@robertovazquez87434 жыл бұрын
New patch: baleygr cant be used in Raids. Period.
@crkTyphoon4 жыл бұрын
Baleygr literally got introduced as a R5 unit xD It's pretty much his sole purpose.
@robertovazquez87434 жыл бұрын
@@crkTyphoon they changed whole dynamics because only op players could do speedruns. Now the entire community can do speedruns. Somethings gonna change.
@KenTracer4 жыл бұрын
Roberto Vazquez banning a unit isn't gonna work. Simply nerf the mon sounds like com2us
@Patrick-jj1ud4 жыл бұрын
soon as "BJ" R5 came out knew bagelmon was gonna make a video about it lol
@ZeinBenington4 жыл бұрын
For this to work all 3 players need the combo or it can work even if only i have it?
@trieu114 жыл бұрын
Can you make a video on toah 80 artamiel this month, I can't do this stage anymore itd be really helpful
@pongamoslo-a-prueba4 жыл бұрын
- critical rate and + critical damage because leader team (khali 23, hwa 19% and chiwa 40%) = safe damage 32k +. chiwa (not spd), jassen (31 spd) not have will < is better 3 figth .................order fran (buff), loren (def break), baleygr (damage) - after the fall chiwa, dagora and fran die because jassen rises 30% by death, so he would attack Loren (def break) first and last baleygr
@haginjb4 жыл бұрын
I'll wait to build this until the balance patch. If they haven't nerfed this by then... I'll do it
@cumluvr3 жыл бұрын
did you do it?
@-mokelo-84214 жыл бұрын
hope they make r5 solo in the future updates. its my only problem with the raid!
@mariefeatilano9243 жыл бұрын
wish granted
@allieknight97914 жыл бұрын
Wow hydro is famous now :D 114 fam shout out 👍
@nimrodfilms51044 жыл бұрын
oh god... never fuckign call me butter cup if this is called bjr5 XD.
@mkretschy9065 Жыл бұрын
jeogun has best leader skill
@noodlesRawsome244 жыл бұрын
Hey bagel, could I copy ur SWC predictions? Last time I did it, I got all the good rewards!
@purplepotato57494 жыл бұрын
I did watch this before.....but...how..why...it just got recommended to me the moment I fused him on my phone xD great timing I guess lol
@andrewbernier46763 жыл бұрын
Also... you get a rage set from necro first clear lmao. If it roles right, there are your bale runes
@moritzmeiser47554 жыл бұрын
As someone who doesn‘t have the runes that are worth grinding i can assure you there is no way people who don‘t farm runes can build a good enough baley
@crkTyphoon4 жыл бұрын
Trust me it doesn't matter whether they "can". They'll still try and make dozens of people fail with it. I've seen people with Teshar Reps like 1500 Atk, 130 Spd, 35% CR, 55% CD be like "yo look at my rep, so gud, daz how 2 rune him" and I'm sitting there with my 2800 Atk, 200 Spd, 99%CR 232%CD Teshar and be like "ye if only I could achieve that...". It's not about whether people can, it's about whether people care. And 90% of people that will build this, won't care enough, they will rush it, they will fail it and they will cause hundreds of others to fail it too because of that.
@blablub78974 жыл бұрын
People who don't farm can't do anything in this game ^^
@tonysum66893 жыл бұрын
Most people misunderstood the Cr . 19 n 23 is not adding up . Can u post it
@shiro86634 жыл бұрын
It's actually 4:19am when I'm watching this
@angelitabecerra3 жыл бұрын
5am for me lmao
@GotTwins294 жыл бұрын
"BJ"R5... Makes me giggle and want one ;)
@Shonon224 жыл бұрын
Damn hydro got credit? I was lurking so hard I had no idea my old guild-mate did something good!
@amouramarie4 жыл бұрын
I'm so surprised this hasn't been patched out yet. I'm sure they're just waiting to find a way to patch this out of Baly without affecting other kinds of play.
@marcelojj20094 жыл бұрын
Vampire Lord can be used for booth skill lider and atk buff in this composition (witch would work well with Baley, specially if other buffs are present ) ?
@justforfun63443 жыл бұрын
2 minutes of things no one needs to know to start the vid. Come on JB....the origin of the team?
@zanmoffat98454 жыл бұрын
What's up what's up?
@zengliu4 жыл бұрын
he genuinely has the best intro on KZfaq
@zanmoffat98454 жыл бұрын
@@zengliu solo renekton only comes close, his is epic too
@hueylouie33454 жыл бұрын
What two-team speed runs have people done? I farm R5 fairly reliably with 2-3min runs with two accounts. Kind of curious if I could do a speed team without having to bring in a 3rd account.
@sexyhinatahotty4 жыл бұрын
for bjr5 your bale need to do 31k+ on last hit, your bale need +10k hp and +400 defence (85k ehp) to never die so ya that bale is not good enough yet i mean is tbh the endgame team those stats are hard to get, also jessen can be on 3ple fight he just need to be +28 speed to don't get cut
@_fayris53564 жыл бұрын
Baley actually wants +32k
@noremac2514 жыл бұрын
All these comps focus on Bale so much that Com2us will more than likely nerf him. One of the things they specifically mentioned when they nerfed R5 was that they did that to open up the opportunity to have more speed comps out there. Com2us wants more depth in players monster box. I mean, they didn't build 1000 unique monsters for nothing.
@andrewbernier46763 жыл бұрын
You forgot that you need great will runes too
@andrefranco67314 жыл бұрын
Jewbagel do you suggest if we don't have max towers neither max s3 Baleygr can we do this team for r4? I have the runes but not those things I think I'll be lacking damage in the end but I do have the 6* legend rage and will runes for Baleygr
@mjewan99204 жыл бұрын
I'm just waiting for the balance patch before beating them
@jaredcrabb4 жыл бұрын
Does Shaina work instead of Loren?
@abob8214 жыл бұрын
good question
@jeffreysalcedo56654 жыл бұрын
bagel are the runes for fire nine tails and fire giant triple fight garbage runes? wish we could see them
@TheJibulus4 жыл бұрын
japanese name is Shoutoku games
@philobroch13284 жыл бұрын
is it possible to put an Hellea instead of a loren ( with lorens in the other parties ) in order to put a brand on the boss ?
@BrunoOliveira-mv1ez4 жыл бұрын
woop woop
@000hobbes3 жыл бұрын
Jyo-Toku
@offbrandstudios83604 жыл бұрын
Wait, In the chart does the attack column mean additional attack or total attack power
@johnturtle66493 жыл бұрын
additional, unfortunately. making the attack power + crit damage is the hard part. i havent seen any lower than say + 1600 attack, maybe + 1690
@WykydWaze4 жыл бұрын
A use for Drogan's last curse; coolest looking useless monster in SW.
@thomasjarvis36084 жыл бұрын
I use this team but its gunna get nerfed. You need literally 1 6* 😂 to do end game content. Ok you need really good runes on bale but still a cheese comp
@Kyle-jb7dc4 жыл бұрын
the difficulty arises with needing maxed towers. which takes awhile to accomplish. and the baylegar stats are pretty high. . . . at least the fight sets can be suboptimal. i have a 2nd loren being built just for this to keep my main one fast and very tanky.
@Wanyurei4 жыл бұрын
Still waiting for that nerf ?
@skylerqt55504 жыл бұрын
still no nerf, guess you lost 8 months of grind farming for no reason other than speculations
@dragonx231234 жыл бұрын
@@skylerqt5550 "I use this team" sounds like nothing was lost
@jakebb8004 жыл бұрын
For the chart, do they factor in crit damage towers, as a default stat or can it be added to the total on the monster itself
@mysteriousbluehat20354 жыл бұрын
Everyone saying early gamer can do late content now. Have you checked bal requirement? No way an early gamer can get those stats. Even mid gamer will have a hard time getting those stats unless your a visa man. And in case you havent noticed all damage is on bal, 9 of 10 eggs is on his basket.
@Linnynoy19904 жыл бұрын
the number of + atk from the chart, are they with or without fightrunes ?
@itomark4 жыл бұрын
Without
@tomellis51683 жыл бұрын
The person name is shiyoto pronounced she yo toe
@officialkung4 жыл бұрын
can loren deff break while oblivion? because based on your presentation, I heard that you said she will deff break after the dragon put oblivion on her? 18:56
@crkTyphoon4 жыл бұрын
Every participatn needs a Loren to ensure atleast one of them is going to land their Def Break (literally says reasons of failure is all 3 Lorens not landing Def Break).
@stevekain47074 жыл бұрын
ah newbie question here. I've max-skilled Verdehile (yes including the 2nd one), and wondering if I should rebuild one.
@droppdochwas4 жыл бұрын
the 2nd skill was changed to it being multihit aswell. so it doesnt matter anymore
@stevekain47074 жыл бұрын
@@droppdochwas oh good to know. God bless you
@aerin62593 жыл бұрын
Late to the party, can anyone tell me what are the minimum hp and def stats for Baleygr?
@korina93874 жыл бұрын
So because elad doesnt have attack bar boost he wouldnt work?
@andrewbernier46763 жыл бұрын
me: *doesnt have will runez*
@StriderAW4 жыл бұрын
Crit Rate vs Attack Power Chart 19.50
@TheKillerMB14 жыл бұрын
so why do the crappy mons need will? they will die anyway so why not put on triple fight?
@mrkebabse67213 жыл бұрын
FLuffyxKittyCat Because the boss would put on oblivion and/or speed break
@StriderAW4 жыл бұрын
Runes at 14.05
@xCoupDeGracex4 жыл бұрын
Can I use my main and alt account's BJR5 teams and an additional placement from main account for 3rd team to do R4?
@mrkebabse67213 жыл бұрын
xCoupDeGracex Cant use additional placement because you cant use the same units on two different teams
@GLIEPNIR4 жыл бұрын
Mmmmm... I don't even do raids... And while I may have what I need to make this work... I'm afraid of building a gimmicky team that may get hit by Come2us just because it ruins their meta... So I don't know :/
@ItsN3 жыл бұрын
Hey bagel, is this chart still relevant? 19:34
@VoidBass64124 жыл бұрын
Should i keep a duped Rica? I got one for toah, lots of acc and despair runes. I feel like her skill dmg % isn't really high, only her third Skill could be Fine.
@crkTyphoon4 жыл бұрын
You could build a second PVP Def Rica with high speed and acc just for the lulz
@asmosisyup25574 жыл бұрын
The problem is when all these people with crappy runes/monsters doing this in R5 and it gets nerfed, will stubbornly take their regular crappy runed monsters into R5.