People don't realise how difficult it is for horses to win outside there own region,Ambitious Dragon couldn't win in Dubai,Cirrus Des Aigles, couldn't win in 3 attempts in Hong Kong,Excelebration couldn't win in America,Danedream couldn't win in Japan etc etc etc Black Caviar won overseas whilst not at her best,she is a legend

What a win! Travelled thousands of miles, looked like she had trained off & injured during the race BUT she still won!! If she had been at her best & won it easily this race would probably be long forgotten. As it is it will be remembered forever as one of the most dramatic finishes ever!!

Black Caviar was the best sprinter I have ever seen. She was injured in this race, having a torn muscle in her quarters and still managed to win. She was an incredible racehorse.

All things aside some Aussies(including me) understandably tear up watching this Mighty Mare. Weve been spoilt good and very priviledged.

Is anyone who commented below aware that she tore her hindquarter muscle in that race yet STILL WON!?! Hence struggling a bit more than her usual flourishing finish. An amazing mare.

What no-one knew at the time - apart from the bad ride - was that she had an 8 centimetre muscle tear. In fact she had a grade 4 tear of the quadriceps and a grade 2 tear near the rump. I would love to have seen this field race at Flemington with her injury free. They would have been entering the straight as she passed the post. Probably the greatest turf sprinter of all time.

Watching this again tonight after quite a while and just really appreciating what a great victory for the mighty mare Black Caviar this was.

I was rooting for her from America, what a racehorse! And from what I understand she pulled a muscle in her rump and still gave it her all.

Even though this is old, I'd like to say thank you to her connections for letting the world know just how good she was. She proved what winx couldn't. For that I am humbled

too good. can watch this all day along. aussie.legend

When you realise the history achieved by Moonlight Cloud in Deauville over the last few weeks it makes you appreciate more the effort a injury hit Black Caviar put in to beat her in this race. Two fantastic racehorses.

It's a pitty the everest wasn't around a few years ago. The cav would of snashed it every year

Black Caviar's formlines are still being franked today, years after her retirement with 8yo Aussie Buffering winning his 7th Grp1 in the Al Quoz Sprint in Dubai. They met 3 times, all Grp1 races, and Black Caviar won comprehensively every time. A once in a lifetime freak sprinter.

Winx couldn't have beaten Black Caviar in a short sprint; Black Caviar couldn't have won 4 Cox Plates.

Wow! Amazing effort to beat the superstar Moonlight Cloud when not at her best! Just read the book and I'm sure if it was any other horse Peter Moody would not have run. The pressure from the media and public for her to run was enormous. A truly great performance from the champ!

Thanks Almandin ! Had a lovely Chinese meal last night thanks to you !

2 years from watching it live, i still cannot believe nolen almost blew it. -Didn't need to pump the whip -Hands and heels over the line was sufficient yet he stopped riding.

But this is the mighty Black Caviar in this race. 80 per cent fit and still wins. Thank god for the Zenyatta' s, Sea The Star' s,Black Caviars, and Frankel' s. We have been spoilt. Its only when this nationalistic self pride starts to dilute itself , that we we will appreciate the brilliant racehorse's from other parts of the world who have set standards the owners of Eclipse those centuries ago could only dream of.

Having watched "Lady Aurelia`s Queen Mary Royal Ascot" win again, it must be said that Frankie`s hands and heels approach, and his easing up near the line show the fastest two year old of all time could have broken the one minute barrier on the rain softened ground.She is clearly value for a length more than the official seven lengths. Incredible !

The more you watch that race, the more you appreciate her greatness. Not only did she get an injury, but how many horses do you know would be eased like that and still win! You cannot compare her and the great Winx or her and the great Frankel. Just feel privileged to have witnessed not just those three, but also Zenyatta all in the last 15 years. 102 races between the four of them and only seven defeats.

Several seconds slower, than her even her slowest ever time at that distance, and that includes her runs on slower rated tracks. What does that tell anyone with half a brain....??? She was WAY below her best that day and even way below her previous worst. She was sore. Yet still she won. An amazing effort!

Putting it from another perspective for those Brits who cant quite draw a line through her form at Ascot..Take over Target, Miss Andretti,Starbanglebanner and Choirs all winners of the King Stand and jubilee, Choirs taking out the double and track record holder are the fastest horse by actual coarse time to race at Ascot If all these horse's met her here over the 6f Black Caviar would still be in the red and win by 3 to 5 lghts IMO and most other Aussie's would agree with this, she stands alone!

Good luck to James Slevin with his two rides tonight. Young James is a jockey going places and I have been following him since day one. Tonight he rides one for Joseph O`Brien ! Can`t wait !

Congratulations to James Slevin on his win aboard Crosshue Boy last night. Another brilliant ride from one of Ireland`s great new jocks.10s was readily available all afternoon but sp was only 6s.

Every now and then an amazing horse comes along, Black Caviar is one of them :)

This Could've been catastrophic for the jockey

Would have liked to see Black Caviar in the UK a lot more, an excellent horse!

For those wanting to know Black Caviar had a trial today in a field of 10 horses came out of the widest barrier around 1 turn and won in the fastest of the day over 4furlongs by 5 lengths under a strangle hold in 45.85, she looked awesome it's on youtube somewhere? I don't know who she trailed against but the last horse was about 25 lengths out the back!

She would have won easily but for her arrogant jockey,who thought he was in Australia having a bong.

this close win only makes caviar's legacy even better in my opinion one of her worst races. yet pulls it out by a hair.

Thanks for your message Hannah .The time of the injury is very hard to find. I have found five different accounts in ten minutes on Google . There was nothing wrong with her pre race and nothing was said post race ! There were no blips in the betting ring either.Quite the opposite, she traded as short as 1.16.Did the jock dismount the injured mare after the race or did he ride her into the unsaddling area ??

Great night at Kempton yesterday ! Plenty of Pinot too ! Thanks to Harry Spiller for his tip in the last. It did not win but 20s third was much appreciated. Harry is a lovely guy, who has taken over Willie Musson`s yard in Newmarket following ole Willie`s(85 years old??) retirement. Cheaper horses but worth following through the winter.Many carry the prefix of the owner`s company ;Broughton Thermal Insulation. Thanks too, to the two Oz gentleman ; Malcolm and Fraser who tipped me Almandin for The Melbourne Cup.

Why compare frankel to black caviar, bc raced at 6-7f and frankel was a miler, totally different racing..get over yourselves!

bc injured badly at the start , no other horse in the world could of won that race injured #bestsprinterwewillseeinourtime

She is a pure machine ...she left her country to run against the best all over the world..you have to leave ur country to run against the best to be the best .she proved herself everywere ..

Bloody hell Walto your putting up a good, fair, if long winded point. I agree with your points about prize money in the UK lagging behind Hong Kong and Aus, and Snow Fairy being a great maré.

She cannot be compared to frankel as he was simply in his own league but you have to admit it was fantastic to see her at ascot. One of the highlights of the week

Black Caviar is better than Winx.

Haradasun won the Doncaster with only 52.5kg in 2007 and went on to win the QA in the UK.. Sunline won with 58...went on to win the Hong kong vase over the 8f..NJ 59.5kg..huge respect mate!

As you can tell Guitarlegend I am from the U.S!I came to England many years ago and have indirectly been involved in the sport since I was a child.My father had a small farm in Maryland and I rode ponies regularly that we reared which eventually became lead horses,the ones you see taking the race horses to post.I got involved in a small time breeding operation that bred a few winners,alas the stallion fees went ridiculous,although we did visit Danzig with a Fly So Free mare and made a..cont..

what are people takin about here a serious mare. yes maybe the jockey fuck up. travelled half way cross the world to do this. do you want her to win by 30 lenght. if she won by that they would some say something ha. and they mention frankel... let me tell you people talk about frankel.. .seathestars would have put it to bed. any distance to 6 forlongs to a mile an quater... so seathestars was better... but this mare id honestly think that she would take seathestars.any time.any where thats how good this mare is

Winx is a better horse. Trust me, I'm a lawyer.

Just looked up Mr.Brooks record in a bit more detail.Didn't realise what a top drawer horse he was.July Cup,L'Abbeye.Top class.I seperated them for the reason's you gave,the style's are so different.As you said,all left handed,Man O'War only on dirt and even when Secretariat raced on turf it was very fast going compared to the British tracks.Man O' War was revered at the time as simply unbeatable and his defeat is one of the biggest injustices in U.S racing history.Secretariat's record..cont..

Black Caviar was recognised as a world-champion racehorse, achieving a World Thoroughbred Racehorse Rankings rating of 130 in 2013, equal highest in the world with Treve. She won all 24 starts at distances from 1000m to 1400m, which included 15 Group One races, defeating world-class gallopers Hay List, Buffering, Moonlight Cloud, Crystal Lily and Star Witness. Frankel was recognised as a world-champion racehorse, achieving WTRB rankings of 136 in 2011 and 140 in 2012, four points clear of the next highest ranking ever given to a Thoroughbred. He won all 14 starts from 1400m to 2100m, including 9 consecutive Group One races (equalling Zenyatta's record), defeating outstanding horses like Farhh, Cirrus des Aigles, Excelebration and Nathaniel. In the Diamond Jubilee Stakes, run on the heaviest track she had experienced, Black Caviar scraped home to beat Moonlight Cloud who disposed of notables such as Farhh, Dawn Approach, Declaration of War and Lethal Force during her career. The courses in the UK with significant gradients, long grass and heavy loams are a genuine test of stamina and soundness irrespective of distance and are tough for American and Australian horses which race on specialised surfaces of turf, cut short on well-drained lighter soils or (in North America) dirt tracks which become mud with rain but remain firm, fast surfaces. The closest comparison we can make between the two is over 1400m when both carried 57kgs on good tracks. The fastest time recorded for Black Caviar's wins over 1400m is 1:25:14. In his one start over 1400m, Frankel recorded 1:24:60 which is an estimated margin of 4.5 lengths better than the mare. Taking into account the different racing environments it's reasonable to suggest that at their best, Frankel might beat Black Caviar by 6 -7 lengths over 7 furlongs but anyone claiming English and Irish thoroughbreds as the being best in the world on the back of Frankel should first consider the most significant influence in a pedigree, the grandparents. Three of the four names carry the suffix (US).

Black caviar - frankel .. There would be only 1 winner frankel would of blown him away at half way easily.

Frankel would beat black cavair no trouble

..cont..that Black Caviar has that power about her as well and eventhough she underperformed at Ascot she still outclassed them when travelling on the bridle.Her Lightening Stakes win earlier this year was astonishing with a 10 second furlong and she still won comfortably.Great mare.

Balmain I totally agree. I hope she gets inducted into the hall of fame as was indicated just after yesterdays race.

what a call from jim mcrath who retired yesterday fantastic commentator

I just hope they pay her the dues in the ratings there have been some magnificent horses in the past all around the world and it's not about putting them down although I have crossed reference to them from time to time mostly to highlight what this girl has achieved because the world is starting appreciate her and in a way she belongs to all her fans abroad as well I'd be happy with a 140 for her, I think anything less is selling her phenomenal record/ winning streak short of what it deserves.

Really this win is spectacular by Black Caviar. We will only appreciate it more & more as time goes on. Moonlight Cloud is a champion who has proven the form time & again with multiple Gr.1 wins.

Good luck to all the horses at this weekend`s Breeders Cup World Championships. I hope Britain`s favourite horse Limato wins because he is just wonderful ! The flat turning track should help him see out the mile. I hope Tamarkuz wins tonight too(huge price) because I was at Kempton when he broke the track record four years ago. He has since been transferred to America following a very lucrative campaign in Dubai where he was horse of the Carnival in 2015. I hope Europe adds to their 56 previous winners ! Is Oz sending any over ha ha ??

Black Caviar and Frankel, 2 great horses! You can't win that many in a row without having an off day these days. Goes to show what champions these 2 horses are, even with an off day, they still manage to win. Even Secretariat lost on his off day but still is one of the greatest horses ever. Gotta give these horses with unbeaten records a thumbs up especially in today's racing. Pure champions!

Thanks for that. Great champions do this. They perform when they are not right. Black Caviar is a great champion.

Cant wait to see how she goes in her first race back. Not long now, counting down the days.

Didn't know much about her. Great engine. The second horse was a bloody good filly

Evening Frank.Been following your debate with BG and have to say it is a breath of fresh air.I was a regular poster on another site and had some real good ding dongs(Sp included)but the ineptitude of some more recent contributers,if I can call them that,has diluted my appetite for debate and I simply laugh at their ignorance these days.As for me,I used to be an apprentice years ago and got to ride Mr Brooks a couple of times in his work.I got too big though and since then have simply been a...

. At two, Canford Cliffs won the Coventry Stakes (Gr 2, 6f), beating Xtension by six lengths. At three, he ran third to Makfi in the 2000 Guineas (Gr 1, 1m) at Newmarket before taking out the Irish 2000 Guineas and the St James’s Palace Stakes at Royal Ascot, and then the Sussex Stakes all at Group 1 level over a mile. At four, he won the Lockinge Stakes (Gr 1, 1m) before beating the Champion mare Goldikova in the Queen Anne Stakes (

Just been rated joint greatest race mare or filly over the last 35 years by the international handicappers. Great news for Australian and New Zealand racing. Well respected overseas for the quality of racehorse they breed and race.

i hope they bring her back here. after her performance a few of our trainers must have been kicking themselfs. id love to see sole power/bated breath/ deacon all in the frame.

Walto, we are very fortunate to have such a champion around for so long breaking records and creating history, I hope she sticks around long enough to take John Henrys group 1 most wins...that would be something special..lol

@BalmainBucko ..record at the fast speedy turf tracks in America where the 'turn of foot' is essential?

Hi mate who are your cheltenham picks? I'm starting up a blog starting with Cheltenham which I'll carry through the flat season. I've got a few big race picks so far I'm just a bit miffed that I've missed the boat on Overturn. I don't fancy My tent or yours for the SNH either especially at 6/4. For the Gold Cup I'm going with Silviniaco Conti and Cape Tribulation with the latter E/W. I've got a few more but they'll be up on the blog over the next week!

Terry wrote " If Chief Singer can go from being the best miler to the best sprinter in 1984, it would be absurd to suggest the greatest horse of all time could not -my p.o.r xx."

did u catch the other 24 races?

In the AJC plate(18f) where phar lap raced away to a 30 length lead and eased down in the straight to win under a strangle hold the horse that was 10 lengths behind in second place was Nightmarch..one of only 6 horses ever to win the Cox Plate/Melbourne Cup double in the same year..

Group 1-winning miler Canford Cliffs will stand at Blue Gum Farm in Victoria from this year. Canford Cliffs was retired to stud last year, and is currently standing his first season at Coolmore’s County Tipperary farm, (Gr 1, 1m) at Goodwood last August. Trained in England by Richard Hannon, who has said that the colt was the best horse he had trained in over 40 years of training, Canford Cliffs won five successive races at the highest level before running second to Frankel in the Sussex Stake

Well said and there is talk of her running in the king stand and then going to stud with Frankel, I hope she does for one...what an advertisement for sport that would be.

Well done to James Slevin on another 20/1 winner today ! The apprentice of the year for me !

Thankyou very much.Backed him at 5/1 and litterally payed for my Christmas.He bolted in didn't he?

Congratulations to Lady Aurelia on her Cartier Award for two year old filly of the year, and to Minding for the three year old filly of the year. The prestigious "Horse Of The Year Award" ; the most important award of the whole evening, went to ........... Minding too ! The Cartier Awards are racing`s equivalent of the Oscars and the presentations event was held at The Dorchester Hotel last night . I think everyone would concur that Minding is a very special filly .

That was amazing i didn't see the jockey whip that horse ONCE! thats probably why he won :)

Brilliant yet again. Made that lot look like selling platers. How great does Moonee Valley look under the floodlights.

No need for an apology, you make a couple of valid points, I have come to understand the tracks are different in the U.K and I also knew S.P was an aussie,..the race I was referring to was his last race against Cirrus..they did run through the first 3 over 40's one of them furlongs a 14.25 the others 2 13.6 or around there somewhere with out going back and double checking them.. when you consider Frankel ran his last furlong around 11.96 and Cirrus probably a shade over 12.3..(con)

As a European, I think BC cannot be judged on this run. To travel from Austrialia, run on a straight track like Ascot and put your record on the line is brave. Frankel did not go to the Breeders Cup or the Arc. I love to have seen frank v BC in the July Cup.

Well done to Rachael Blackmore on her 20/1 winner aboard Supreme Vinnie at the weekend. Great power packed ride to get up close home. Girl Power !

Thanks for that Guitar I'll have a little tipple on him.Possibly the Florida Derby but more than likely the Tampa Bay or Arkansas Derby,maybe both.Todd Pletcher took a number of years to get the Kentucky Derby hoodoo off his back with Super Saver so I think he will go down the same route.Problem is though he will have possibly 3 going for the Derby itself and no way would he let them race eachother before so it will tell us something about the horses as to where they are placed for their preps.

@adam pongrac No problem.Well done for seeing the light.

have a goodun in tenerife mate . let me know how you get on over cheltenham I'm taking me arl fella for his 50th on Thursday and Friday so its something to look forward too!

The trainer looked like he wanted to throttle the jockey

I have never seen a drag race like that!! How close can it get!!

Hey guitar... yes, absolutely open to debate. With regards to BC she's likely to be past her absolute best, so it'll be interesting to see what she does when / if she comes back. From what I understand it's still up in the air.

Big risk taken by the trainer running her at Ascot knowing she was not 100%, but great that he was able to get her back into good condition and for the owners to give her more runs back in Australia. Her 23rd consecutive victory when resuming in February was memorable not only for its ease, but that in doing so she broke the 25 year old track record and once again filled the grandstands with spectators. I'd love to see her go back to Royal Ascot, but to only run if she is 100% fit.

Well said Balmain. Just been watching ATR and Matt Chapman was talking over the phone to Peter Moody. It sounds a bit more likely the great mare will run in the Kings Stands and maybe have a visit to Frankel. It not a certainty but interesting all the same.

6. Relating Carbine to modern-day (& Phar Lap only falls into that category on the basis that they at least used a modern riding position) records is like comparing Kinscem's record to Black Caviar's. I'd like to relate a recollection that was shared with me by a veteran race watcher of Phar Lap's win in the 1930 AJC Plate over 18F, racing away to a 30+L lead, breaking very track record for distances beyond 12F, eased down to a canter in the last furlong to win by half the length of the ...

By the way how come you haven't said anything about Excelebration and 1200m? You struggling with that one? Would 1200m be new to him Walto? Would it?

..fan ever since.I can't go racing very often now as where I live is far away from the better tracks,though I do agree that the smaller tracks offer a great day out.I rarely bet,though in the past did my own ratings and did very well.I gave up though because I was finding that the handicapper and myself seemed to get very similar ratings and the way I bet meant I had to have a horse with at least a certain advantage before backing it - 4lbs.I don't miss it though and simply enjoy the sport ..

That's an interesting point you make Walto and Peter Moody and O'brien have eluded to that a few times, both Mani and with SYT..there is a difference in style of training between the U.K and Australia..not so much suggesting one method is better than the other, but it is evidential some horses respond differently too them..Manighar in the U.K was trained more dour and aimed up at the Melbourne Cup ..he's starts here prior to the appointment of Peter Moody was quite ordinary.

O jóquei deu mole, pensou que já estava ganho e não viu os que vinham de trás com apetite, com susto, mas, ganhou fácil!

... deserve to see her one more time and I think that would be enough as a whole fair well tour would be pushing it. It would be very apt if she had her last race and her 23rd win in February in the race now named in her honour and beat into second (by a respectable distance) a fellow mare called Ortensia. The team can then retire her in the knowledge that it will be a long time before a horse will surpass her winning streak (especially now Bib Bucks is injured) and before her equal.

continued... That figure was compiled not by form but by time against the others in the standard time I was talking about. Excelebration, who had a monster form figure of 135, only achieved a speed figure of 118. Suggesting over a mile, he's at his best coming off a slow pace. That would be backed up by his next highest mark of 133 also coming off a slower pace. Frankels two 10f runs, both achieved speed figures of over 130 suggesting they were both strongly run races. Continued..

Despite being injured she still would have won by at least half a horse length had Nolan not eased up too early. That was despite not racing neatly as quick as she usually did. It was almost track work speed for her.

At the end of the day, Black Caviar put the cream of Europe's sprinters to the sword.

Pistons that comment was spot on. Both great at their respective distances. I agree a match at seven furlongs would have been interesting.

Wow that was 2012..time flies

We are delighted to have acquired a horse of the calibre of Canford Cliffs and I have no doubt that he will be very popular with Australian breeders,” Blue Gum’s Philip Campbell said. “He’s a very masculine horse with a beautiful action and showed his brilliance at two, three and four years of age

Sunline run the Doncaster with 58kg, run a line through that,it is an tremendous amount of respect from the handicapper to weight her up to 59.5kg to put 1.5kg more on her than Sunline speaks volumes about her class SP...no denying that!

is comparing them with the standard time of other races. For example, When STS broke the track record, they were kicking up dust, I was there the ground was slightly softer when Frankel run (I was there again lol) Infact there were clumps of mud being kicked up in places though the ground was probably no worse than good. Anyway, frankel also ran across the course and was barely pushed for all but about 100 yards, and even then it was hands and heels. (Continued)

Yes Ortensia runs very well fresh so was surprised he didnt do a little better last start an i would be expecting an improvment and i presume Williams will be on board...

Off coarse home ground advantage is huge Josh, I also said bc just fell in making more of a point about horses for courses.this is at WFA, excelebration is a good horse, might have a better chance at a doncaster with 57?