Last time I was this early I walked into the dining hall hearing Torgaddon say "I was there, the day Horus slew The Emperor"
@blinko13882 жыл бұрын
This wins the internet today ☝️
@thedemonjesterclownaroundt22942 жыл бұрын
It was garviel loken who told that story tho
@TB-ps6wc2 жыл бұрын
Before death guard was there own codex I built up a heavily converted CSM death guard army with loads of units not in the death guard codex. So I didnt get any of the new units and run my death guard as CSM black legion led by Abbadon (theme is it's the death guard detachment of his forces)
@Lomhow2 жыл бұрын
You should be able to run Abby with them now since he's an Agent of Chaos Cheers 🥂 I have a similar list
@theezekarion1642 жыл бұрын
That's what I love about the Black Legion All 4 chaos gods are represented either heavily 1 way if u want or equal of all 4 the lore supports anyway u choose to play them and the possibilities are limitless
@mikeshockinggentspence87142 жыл бұрын
"Death to the False emperor" Said Auspex Tactics excitedly
@Metalmachine182 жыл бұрын
Boy a Veilbreaker Plate Termi Lord with a full squad of termi's with black rune teleporting straight in your face and then stealing other legion traits to increase charge threat on turn 1 is serious shenanigans. Could really break almost any armies strategy with an impervious gank squad in your midst
@alexanderilthari93282 жыл бұрын
Could also be used with a Termi Sorcerer and the Slaanesh mark, now you can slap a 5+++ on them as well. Just to make sure your Termi brick is well and truly stuck in your enemy's craw.
@Metalmachine182 жыл бұрын
@@alexanderilthari9328 Lord have mercy.
@raistrose77732 жыл бұрын
Which legion trait helps with the charge roll?
@braden459 Жыл бұрын
@@raistrose7773 Red Corsairs give advance and charge
@patrickhuffman96322 жыл бұрын
I love the legion trait. Forces you to play better to get the full advantage. When used correctly your opponent feels it. For characters it's still good as it counters -1 to hit abilities.
@jordanvangesen2080 Жыл бұрын
I literally thought I was going to be an orc fan until one day I got a squad of chaos marines and built them. I had the most fun putting them together out of any other models and I can safely say death to the false emperor and such.
@tylerdetert54592 жыл бұрын
Please do alpha legion next 🙏 I'm new to the hobby and want to make sure I'm doing it right.
@datasdukatcoat64292 жыл бұрын
For whatever's it's worth, the Army I currently want - which will be waiting until at least the later Autumn - is AL centered on Master of Diversion (AL Warlord Trait) -ing Khorne onto whatever location on the table is sorest in need of devastation.
@zakcl002 жыл бұрын
If you are playing Alpha Legion, you are doing it right. :)
@reginlief12 жыл бұрын
If your opponent isn’t sure if you’re playing well or terribly then you’re playing Alpha Legion correctly ;)
@MadMan-79782 жыл бұрын
If your doing it the way you want, your doing it right
@hossdelgato60982 жыл бұрын
Plzzzz
@RecruitofApollo2 жыл бұрын
One legion I'd love to see you cover would be Iron Warriors, since I've been thinking of painting some models in that color scheme.
@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon51592 жыл бұрын
Eh iron warriors went from being the best legion to one of the worst. EC, WB and AL are the better legions probably in that order
@sarkazam_2 жыл бұрын
Iron Warriors are crazy durable, mostly thanks to their strats. -1 dmg on big blocks of termis or chosen make them a big headache to deal with, and -1 to wound your daemon engines / machine spirit vehicles when you really need them to survive can be crucial. I ran them last week v. orks and seeing tankbustas wounding a land raider on 6s was too funny not to do. They also have great shooting with the big daemon engines - I ran double forgefiend with the ectoplasm cannons, and their strat to double the number of models in an enemy unit for the purposes of Blast for 1 cp virtually guarantees that youll be getting max shots on any elite infantry, and ignoring cover is the cherry on top in the age of AoC. They were a lot of fun to play!
@cypher10192 жыл бұрын
@@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon5159 nah dont think so. They are not the best but still top 3 maybe 4... 1. WB 2.BL 3. EC/IW and then maybe AL or CoB
@tnttv53602 жыл бұрын
You forgot to mention, that bringers of despair gives some kind of heroic intervention as well.
@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon51592 жыл бұрын
Its a second interrupt too
@tnttv53602 жыл бұрын
@@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon5159 yeah over all it is a strat that brings a lot, even for 2 cp
@patrickhuffman96322 жыл бұрын
It's a better than heroic intervention because the unit doesn't move. If you strike someone outside of 3, they don't attack back in the unlikely even they survive.
@briancrothers21632 жыл бұрын
I run BL with the Don and 10 termies with Mark of Slanesh. In support I have MoP with Pact of Flesh and Delightful Agonies (5+ FNP), and, an Apostle with Illusiorary Supplication; which is amazing (can’t be hit on 1-3 and can’t reroll hits). With the Don giving them full reroll hits and wounds they are an awesome centre piece that even gives Nids players fits to deal with
@OmegaIdiot2 жыл бұрын
12 mw. No contest from termies xd. I felt that on my ass with AL
@JH-tt6hm2 жыл бұрын
Delightful agonies is a dark hereticus power, I believe the master of possession only knows two of the Malefic pyschic powers and smite? Correct me if I’m wrong here but that’s how I’m reading it in the new codex lol I hope I am, I’d use the same powers in my next battle with my own master of possession 😂
@Xiphosedoesmc2 жыл бұрын
@@OmegaIdiot 5+ fnp saves 4 of those mathematically! Meaning only 2 dead termies. You can pact of flesh after to heal one to full and resurrect one because theyre core!
@jordanwhitehouse43212 жыл бұрын
@@JH-tt6hm When you give them a mark, they get the corresponding spell in addition to the other 2 + Smite. This goes for the MOP or regular Sorc.
@OmegaIdiot2 жыл бұрын
@@Xiphosedoesmc i dont run mop. Dont like op shit that will get nerfed
@RamonesC722 жыл бұрын
Thank you for this video, It is very useful for new Black Legion player.
@Birkenhead.Raver_YNWA24 күн бұрын
I've just started a black legion army after struggling to pick between Angron or Abaddon for weeks. Black Legion was the final choice and this video has helped me out a lot. Keep up the good work 😃
@gyulajakab58522 жыл бұрын
the monotone death to the false emperor at the start legit made me laugh.
@patrickhuffman96322 жыл бұрын
Auspex... You glossed over Bringers of Despair. That strat is NUTS. You don't have to be engaged to use it. You also don't pile in. You just attack if there is an enemy unit within 3. It probably needs an FAQ but as written it's insane.
@HereticDave40k2 жыл бұрын
erm, no it makes a unit eligible to fight. so you can pile in if you want... but if you're 3" away and don't pile in, then you won't be within an inch to actually attack. for a model to make a melee attack it needs to be within engagement range (1 inch) or within half an inch of another friendly model in the same unit who is within half an inch
@stu_gibson2 жыл бұрын
Using Confluence of Traitors strat to get the Red Corsairs trait, then Tip of the Spear on the same unit - probably on Chosen - is a pricy but reliable way to run across the board and mangle something.
@OGEETOMO2 жыл бұрын
I've been waiting for this for a while - Let the Galaxy Burn.
@nicholasradityaputrawisesa35932 жыл бұрын
Did a game recently against ultramarine with a full termi squad with black rune, got rerolls from abaddon, illusory supplication from Apostle, delightful agonies and +1 toughness from MoP, and Iron Warrior legion trait (no rerolling wound and ignore cover). Then zap them straight to the middle of the board with a Veilbreaker plate Termi Sorcerer. Suffice to say, it tanks a 5 man eradicator, a squad of 5 hellblaster, two redemptor and the combi-bolter shots will just delete anything with T4.
@NornQueenKya2 жыл бұрын
Playing my NL as BL because of how hard NL rules failed me. Their black armor just has a purplish shine to it >.>
@Wildcat425B2 жыл бұрын
My NL are aggravating (especially considering my Blood Angels get their Legion tactic with pretty much no effort) but watching my opponent lose models in the morale phase makes up for it. People at my FLGS are starting to hate me asking "What's your LD? Well now its x. Roll for morale please."
@blu_j122 жыл бұрын
May I ask why? Sure BL is easier to plug and play but NL have a lot of great builds if you really play into their legion trait(leadership shenanigans). Personally, I find fun fluffy playstyles are much more enjoyable than easy meta picks. I've tried a few games as Drukhari with a similar playstyle and had a blast! Of course you'll eventually run into armies that ignore what yours is good at but that's the case for almost every faction in the game. If you want some ideas, Bricky(big NL fan) just put out a video on his second channel going over the strengths and build potential of the NL; you should check it out!
@GaryP3362 жыл бұрын
My alpha legion are black legion because "adaptive tactics"
@shammy70982 жыл бұрын
All this CSM info is great! With a nearly 2k points army I'm trying to list build for, all these breakdowns really really help!
@allenmark79812 жыл бұрын
Great timing - I'm taking on the black legion with my nids in the local league tonight. Thanks auspex!
@TheDutchMusician2 жыл бұрын
im getting a Black Legion army together, so this video is pretty helpful :D HQs: Abaddon - Dark Apostle - Master of Possession Troops: 15 Accursed Cultists (10 mutants, 5 torments) - 2x 5 Legionaries Elites: 10 Terminators - Helbrute - Master of Executions Fast Attack: 2 Venomcrawlers Heavy Support: 3 Obliterators - 5 Havocs at first i wanted to trade 5 terminators for a heldrake, since the model is pretty cool and have more diverse units, but i see terminators are amazing in black legion, so i probably keep the 10 :p What you think? any tips/feedback ? :D
@TheGrumbliestPuppy2 жыл бұрын
Cut the hellbrute, they're terrible, sadly. Your instinct with the terminators is correct, they're the backbone of your army. Consider dropping the size of the Accursed Cultist unit, they're mostly gonna be for sitting on objectives, and for 75 points the minimum unit size is pretty tough to remove.
@TheDutchMusician2 жыл бұрын
@@TheGrumbliestPuppy okay thank you i probably wont ditch the helbrute immediately, since i wanna use my miniatures i got in the combat patrol, but i could switch out the accursed ones since i dont have them yet and maybe get another legionary squad :D
@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon51592 жыл бұрын
The cultists, legionnaires, and oblits are liabilities. Oblits are okay but suboptimal as is the helbrute. Cut as much chaff as possible- make use of the strat to turn off obsec (second venomcrawler probably a waste too though)
@wephilips66512 жыл бұрын
I like this list! Can I get some feedback? I’m not looking for anything too cutthroat/meta. What I have been running is Abaddon, sorcerer in terminator and 6 terms as a spear tip 2x6 legionaries (each with baleful tomb, which I like for a couple of reasons) and 15 cultists, 3 bikers with mark/icon Tzeentch all for objectives and actions Master of Possession and 3 obliterators Terrax termite with 6x rubrics and 6x bezerkers I have had fun and success with this list (bare in mind I’m still a relative beginner playing other relative beginners) but open to some suggestions if you anything thinks there’s something truly egregious I’m taking/not taking?? In terms of table top impact the obliterators and the MoP have been least productive…but I think I’m just using them poorly?
@Jlnorman42 Жыл бұрын
IDK..falling back with your 10 man terminator squad. Shooting then charging back in for the +1 to hit seems pretty damn good.
@adamdowns36882 жыл бұрын
I use a Sorcerer in Terminator Armour with vailbreaker and a 10 man Rubric Marines Squad with warpflamers. This has ruined the plans of every opponent I have faced. I can then warp time them where ever in the enemy field the next turn.
@CherryBlossom-mh6vv2 жыл бұрын
0:22 idk if it was intentional, but that reminds me of “the first amongst equals” aka Horus
@thomasneal83542 жыл бұрын
Just a quick point on Unrelenting Onslaught. It allows you to fall back, shoot and charge so is really good to get a Terminator brick unstuck.
@beybladechallenge7536 Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the help!
@erebus92172 жыл бұрын
I am quite proud that the Black Legion can utilise new corrupted doctrines to slay the Imperium. My Word Bearers can learn from their efficiency in traditional combat, it’ll help alongside use of warp inventions.
@Yacovo2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the video.
@wephilips66512 жыл бұрын
I had bee collecting BL for couple of years now and almost never used to win but it’s 2/2 so far with new codex and that’s without abbadon actually doing all that much so far
@marcelberger27152 жыл бұрын
Thanks Auspex
@wephilips66512 жыл бұрын
Can I get some feedback? I’m not looking for anything too cutthroat/meta. What I have been running is Abaddon, sorcerer in terminator and 6 terms as a spear tip 2x6 legionaries (each with baleful tomb, which I like for a couple of reasons) and 15 cultists, 3 bikers with mark/icon Tzeentch all for objectives and actions Master of Possession and 3 obliterators Terrax termite with 6x rubrics and 6x bezerkers I have had fun and success with this list (bare in mind I’m still a relative beginner playing other relative beginners) but open to some suggestions if you anything thinks there’s something truly egregious I’m taking/not taking?? In terms of table top impact the obliterators and the MoP have been least productive…but I think I’m just using them poorly?
@EchoMirage722 жыл бұрын
The Black Legion / Sons of Horus weren't the "first among the traitors" ... Word Bearers were the first, Death Guard after that, then Emperors Children, then Sons of Horus.
@Kristian.B.Kristiansen2 жыл бұрын
First as in first amongst equals. Not first on the timeline.
@EchoMirage722 жыл бұрын
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen Not even close in that respect either.
@Kristian.B.Kristiansen2 жыл бұрын
@@EchoMirage72 Take it up with every canon source of Lore. That the 16th Legion was the most successful, famous and prominent of all the Legions is and have always been canon. They might not be your favourite, but that matters not to the Lore.
@EchoMirage722 жыл бұрын
@@Kristian.B.Kristiansen It has nothing to do with favorites lol ... It has to do with facts. The only "first" they can lay claim to was getting their Primarch first. Let's not forget that if it weren't for Abbadon's plot armor, he'd have been killed by Sigismund in one shot lmao
@Kristian.B.Kristiansen2 жыл бұрын
@@EchoMirage72 no, and irrelevant. Completely irrelevant.
@maxroberts90 Жыл бұрын
I can’t find generic warlord traits anywhere - where is the ‘feel no pain’ warlord trait ?
@Jeremy-rp3in2 жыл бұрын
For the Warmaster!!
@Cynocehali2 жыл бұрын
"Chaos is one inevitable" -Abbaddon
@infantrymasterWIC2 жыл бұрын
Big problem with Bringers of Despair for 2CP for Terminators to fight first and +1 attack is that you have to use it at the START of your opponent's fight phase, unlike a normal interrupt. So your opponent should be hitting the terminators first, and then you'd have to spend another 2CP to actually interrupt unless you have Slaanesh Mark/Abaddon. Can't even use it in your own fight phase to give fight first to a terminator unit locked in combat.
@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon51592 жыл бұрын
Thats not how it works. You dont spend 2 points for them to interrupt in addition. They count as charging so they fight first. It can function like a second interrupt or if your opponent didn’t charge anything but you are locked in combat then you fight first. Its true that a MoS makes it somewhat redundant but its good if you took another mark
@infantrymasterWIC2 жыл бұрын
@@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon5159 It does. You don't pick who to fight first in your opponents fight phase, they do. The Terminators will likely already have been attacked by that point because your opponent still chooses where to fight first amongst fight first units. When I say you'd have to spend another 2CP to actually interrupt, I mean to actually get a fight first in a combat elsewhere. It's only useful if your terminators have been charged by more than 1 thing, in which case they will have to tank the first attacking units and then interrupt against other units in engagement range that haven't fought yet, OR your opponent has charged terminators and Abaddon (for example, or another Slaanesh mark unit) and can't afford to hit the terminators over the other unit, so that would leave the terminators free to interrupt.
@infantrymasterWIC2 жыл бұрын
@@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon5159 If the strat was one you could use after an opponent's unit has fought in the opponents fight phase, like a normal interrupt, that would be a lot better.
@benjaminpenman-derstine10722 жыл бұрын
Hey auspex I found a combo on the disco lord and was wondering if it was legal or if I’m overlooking something. Lord discordant combo infernal power+warp marked+flames of spite+Ulocca the black Str 6, 6 attacks with the impaler chainglave Hits on 2+ Any 6’s to hit auto wound and are considered 6s +2 to wound on the charge (+1 otherwise) Rerolls those wounds. 6s are mortals Any successful wounds deal another mortal wound Ap 3 and 3 damage on a vehicle (2 otherwise) But we’re not done 4 more attacks with the mechatendrils and 4 more with the bladed limbs Hits on 2+ 6s are auto wounds +1/reroll wound rolls Wound rolls of 6 are mortals
@matty66712 жыл бұрын
Haarken with his spear that has no melee profile…
@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon51592 жыл бұрын
Yep I wrote to GW when they released him saying how stupid it was that a melee weapon since ancient times cant be used as a melee weapon if you even wanted to
@putthebunnybackinthebox95242 жыл бұрын
I love all the Abaddon hate prior to the new book. Now, every CSM player… *thIS iS mY aBaDDoN, hE is My wARlorD*
@bryngoldsmith18482 жыл бұрын
Can you do an iron warriors one please
@mohammadalturki61412 жыл бұрын
as am new to the game theses videos are great for teaching how to build a list but I have a question about this list witch I dont know how it is legal how did he get the demon prince and lord of discordant to have warlord traits while having abbadon as a worlds? if abbadon the warlord he gets the traits and I have 1 stratagem to give another warlord traits to another character but dont know how he got the 3rd one for a 3rd character ?
@zeeorc54932 жыл бұрын
If Im not mistaken, can't you use any legion strat if you make your unit that legion for the turn with confluence of Traitors? I.e. you know you can kill the enemy's tank so you make a CSM squad Alpha legion to then use the sabotage strat to auto explode the tank in the middle of their lines
@HereticDave40k2 жыл бұрын
No, the confluence of traitors just makes a unit gain another trait. not become a legion unit, or enable that legions strats
@ericnekich4448 Жыл бұрын
New to the game. The Nephilim Relic strat says it can only be used once. I know Trophies of The Long War can be used for the Black Rune, but how is this list able to get the Elixir and Gorget? Am I missing a rule?
@holysaintknight343 Жыл бұрын
FOR THE WARMASTER
@markrichard33642 жыл бұрын
If my Death Company is using it's 6+ 'Black Rage' rule to attempt to ignore a wound and it fails, can they still attempt to roll out using the 'Refusal to Die' stratgem on a 5+ or do they have to choose which to use? 🤔
@Dimkadamecha2 жыл бұрын
Nice BL overview, Auspex! It's really helpful! Also, could you make a video on a current Crimson Slaughter state in WH 40k? No one did it yet, but it still could be interesting. Thanks in advance!
@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon51592 жыл бұрын
Sadly the crimson slaughter arent covered as a legion Dimitri- all renegade legions just pick another legions rules which best match their style. We missed out on custom traits cuz GW are scum
@DmanDrums2 жыл бұрын
Death to the false emperor? Sounds like you were asking a question 🤔
@MainerZ2 жыл бұрын
Having Yolo-ed Abby into an Avatar of Khaine for shits n' giggles with 0 support (the Avatar melted with no return hits), just remember that an army that is active in 3 phases will still remove him in 1 turn before you can use Pact of Flesh. If there is no (or a failed) enemy Psychic Phase, Abaddon is hilarious. Veilbroken Terminators clear boards. Use Abby and Veilbreaker before something gets nerfed, because it's comin.
@nukethenatelore2 жыл бұрын
Minor correction on the first list you showed, the MOP cant cast the 5+ fnp as he needs to be slanesh, the DP could however
@wilboplays22682 жыл бұрын
I played Haarken last night and the buff he gives the Raptors was invaluable. +1 to hit for deep striking close to an enemy and another +1 to hit on the charge. Mark of Khorne meant I had a crazy amount of strong hits from them. Haarken was then also able to dance around the board targeting characters and stray models and had a lot of fun. I also ran the Helbrute. I love the model but normally leave him out because he’s not a daemon engine. His Mark of Slaanesh, and buff from a Warpsmith, meant he single handedly took off a Repulsor tank. Which was nice. I rounded off the list with a lot of Daemon engines. That +1 to hit for closest unit/on the charge, made my Venomcrawlers particularly scary. Very adaptable to changes in the board and tricky to bring down.
@MainerZ2 жыл бұрын
Do you deepstrike Haarken and the Raptors? As I understand it, you can't use his super reroll buff till turn 3 if you do, because it's Command Phase, and he isn't on the board till turn 2's movement phase. Is it still valuable?
@wilboplays22682 жыл бұрын
@@MainerZ Haarken can still give reroll 1s without using Lord of Raptors. I did deepstrike them and failed the charge. It was a squad of 10 though, and since they now have Armour of Contempt and 2 wounds, 6 of them managed to survive through to my next charge phase, where they managed to weaken Shadowsun, allowing Haarken to take the kill. So it worked out pretty well!
@raphsanta-santaminiatures9782 жыл бұрын
Do you know which secondary objectives did Russell Tassin use with his list?
@nextgenerationnerds47822 жыл бұрын
EXTREMELY powerful combo that I haven't seen anyone talk about. Give a Daemon prince ul'occa the black and flames of spite with dual malefic talons and diabolic strength. This ends up with 10 S9 attacks with reroll wounds, successful wounds dealing 1 mortal and 6s dealing 2 mortals both in addition to normal damage. This spikes again if you are in wanton slaughter. No one is talking about this, and it seems like an oversight. I used this combo to one shot the silent king.
@Dreagin642 жыл бұрын
You can only cast diabolic strength on infantry and spawn now
@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon51592 жыл бұрын
People are aware of it even with out diabolic strength..but with any of the MW on 6 builds they are not reliable…a build i have come up with (not DO) can do a theoretical max of just over 40 MWs in a turn with an extra relic and a 2CP strat.
@nextgenerationnerds47822 жыл бұрын
@@thegorefatherdonkhorneleon5159 its not just mortal wounds on 6s, ulocca the black gives mortals on any successful wound.
@gregsmw2 жыл бұрын
does the veilbreker plate not stack with AoC? or does that not work
@aaramaius2 жыл бұрын
Do Iron Warriors PLS
@skinwalker18412 жыл бұрын
Are you doing Iron warriors?
@gavinlewis83622 жыл бұрын
Nice
@hossdelgato60982 жыл бұрын
Alpha legion!
@wephilips66512 жыл бұрын
Not watched video yet so maybe he explains but on battlescribe you can’t have abandon and harken together as too many lords is that correct?
@MingZeMerciless2 жыл бұрын
You can if you take Abaddon in a supreme command detachment (CP refunded).
@wephilips66512 жыл бұрын
@@MingZeMerciless thanks! Are there any costs/downside to that?
@thegreatdevourer1020 Жыл бұрын
I’m wondering how they managed to legally give the Lord Discordant Gorget of Eternal Hatred AND Soul-Eater considering that Abaddon is the warlord
@matjov2 жыл бұрын
Abaddon's rules are proof that GW have some right plonkers employed on their rules team
@stripeybag69772 жыл бұрын
You should be fine in most situations, until your cousins start seeing you as your dad.
@Chris-jl6vp2 жыл бұрын
Overall seems like good news for BL, they've been pretty shit for so long.
@thegreatdevourer1020 Жыл бұрын
This list is technically illegal
@Damnedlegion40k2 жыл бұрын
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@Slapdab2 жыл бұрын
I like 40k lore, but the turns move so slowly! At least mtg draft allows things to move back and forth quickly
@sagacity10712 жыл бұрын
The Luna wolves except with worse terminators, less load out options, worse vehicle options and worst of all.... no volkite. Why does anyone follow chaos again?
@wephilips66512 жыл бұрын
Because there’s more to the game and hobby than just meta and winning?
@TheDarthbinky2 жыл бұрын
In my case, it's that I've been playing since the early 1990s and can't be bothered to change.
@szalailaszlovid2 жыл бұрын
There is no good shooters, so word bearers are just better.
@Noveltyuk2 жыл бұрын
No good shooters? Obliterators? Havocs with Chaincannons or Heavy Bolters? Terminators with just about any loadout... mine have 2 heavy flamers, combi meltas and combi flamers and delete most things they shoot. There is plenty or good shooting, maybe not as much as the good combat but my BL have no issues shooting down most armies before taking them on in melee. Depends on your unit choices and play style.
@szalailaszlovid2 жыл бұрын
@@Noveltyuk obliterator isnt good shooter anymore. D3 shooting is just luck for 270 point.
@niraantha5442 жыл бұрын
Oblit are hot garbage, havics with chain are too expensive and shoot at 24', bolter are useless in AoC and bolter will never kill heavy targets. We dont have good shooting option, and the full reroll trait the WB have is better than the +1 hit in many cases. BL has some nice relics (6" of obsec) tho
@dthomd2 жыл бұрын
Agree the dedicated shooting options aren't great. Decimators are still okay and leviathans and contemptors are good but not really viable to run in multiples given the cp costs. I can see a case being made for a single black legion leviathan with ranged loadout as the legion trait limits its degradation and improves its shooting into combat. Still much more of a combat army on the whole.
@Noveltyuk2 жыл бұрын
@@szalailaszlovid they have 3 shooting profiles... they have an option for most targets and can still shoot in combat, what's not to like.