And that sentient consciousness didn’t do anything. It’s just a copy of someone else and a simulation. Why should it be treated that way? Why should anyone? Everyone gets what they deserve. Karma. Reaping what you sow. Call it what you want. The interrogator deserved to be blocked by all humanity for torturing cookies and having the attitude that they’re not real because they are “just code” and he says they can not feel anything. He doesn’t know what they feel. Turn the argument around and have a computer say that he doesn’t feel anything because he’s just meat.

The whole way he interacted with the female cookie was callous like muting her rather than turn down his earbuds and sentencing her to 3 weeks and 6 months of solitary at the drop of a hat with no discussion while calmly eating his toast like there isn’t this conscious entity suffering at his control.

that's not groundbreaking though, that's what much of Christianity believes long before this episode was ever made.

it's crazy how casually they do it. it's terrifying to think that people could do that to other people.

That part always got me the most. 1000 years a minute, had to do the math. Disturbing!

Like every episode of this show

This episode was particularly more disturbing than the rest. Fucking good show

It really throws some depressive moods of such tortures for one's mind in the distopia pictured here.

Same

1million merits made me feel that exact way. It made me sick

Hey

Lol

Is it not the same in America, a chore that gets more chorish as you get older. No too hungover to eat in front of all your relatives in your youth?

I’m not a Brit, but I’d take dark and depressing over the same uplifting cheery garbage, any day.

@@keithbentley6081i dont drink

i find the scene with the father brutal, total sociopath with no empathy

Honestly i find it a bit bullshit, if they had copied the part of her original brain that was fully aware of what was going on and was willing to make a copy of her brain to be her digital helper the helper wouldn't be having an existential crisis

by the time he gets out of the cookie he would of lived through so much time he'd either be insane or a time god probably insane though

It is obscenely brutal. The six month time composure in the beginning was obscenely brutal. There would not be a mind after a month. Never mind a thousand years a minute. Anyone that would sentence someone, no matter the charge to that horrific fate deserves to have a truckload of blood supply the heart that still beats into the tissue that was once contained by skin. Aka skin the fucker alive.

@Quentin Collins Shouldnt you be in a mason jar on a mantelpiece some where..

Well it's quite sad and another dark aspect of this episode when you think about it and put yourself in her shoes. She's was so lost loving the wrong guy. She dumped another man for him, she left her job because he was there with his new girl, and she kept a baby, wrecking her life just so she can keep a baby from a man she loved so much she didn't even tell him he's a father so she can keep the baby of him at least untouched.

@@oriamir8994 dude that's still on her she ruined 3 lives not including her own by letting this dude be blocked with 0 explanation

@@stevenjames5874 yeah it’s definitely the woman’s fault here. We didn’t get to see her “love” the other guy. She cheated and stayed with her boyfriend. That itself makes it all her fault. There’s a long time between cheating and finding out you’re pregnant

@@oriamir8994 That's no need to put youself in her shoes.. wrong = wrong.. she was wrong as a pregnant woman and there's nothing wrong with that at all.

Karma definitely caught up to her as she died in the accident.

Everyone has DONE horrible things. There are no perfect or totally good people.

@@Bruce_K cope?

Wait so does the pick up artist guy actually enslave a copy of people's consciousness?

@@dread1262 yeah, that was his gig.

@@Bogalog fact?

I thought the same thing.

Yes, she is a true bitch indeed

totally agree

***** The thing during the credits was just an announcement for another show coming on next.

She made him stalk her for four years? That was his piss-poor and illegal choice.

I like that thought of yours. "I have no Mouth and I must Scream" is a short story about AI torturing humanity, but it wasn't humanity's fault that AM is limit to a computer's "natural?" restraints, so AM is angry at existence and a few humans are the scape goats. I think the horror with a cookie, is that it's a person that's treated less than a person. I doubt a cookie would lash out at existence like AM did.

its a good thing that, still, we are probably at least 20 years from this being within our reach. We would need processors with about 1 million times the processing power of our current gpus. We almost have super computers that may be capable of simulating a human brain, but that's different than emulating the brain real time. Not to mention it is getting harder and harder to make smaller transistors and there will be a limit. Processors probably will have to be based, not on silicon, but photons, in order to make a processor as small as one of these cookies with the processing power of a human brain.

I was enjoying what she was going through, I really was. That control of just making days go by with the press of a button. So satisfying

@Josh Becker it doesnt matter to u whether its digital or not i guarantee u just dnt care as long its not u

@Josh Becker lmao i respect the honesty

Not everyone has empathy for AI, because well they're not real, so if that was a real thing it wouldn't suprise me that some people would do it

I found the whole toast thing so hilarious, I mean she has to put the bread in the toaster herself the AI can't do that lol

That's the real horror in this episode. The brain might be simulated, but the suffering is real. Emotions are nothing more than electrical impulses. Doesn't matter if it comes from a meat brain or a mechanical one.

I think that she doesn't know. As far as she can tell, the programmed an "Alexa" to know how she likes stuff, not knowing they went the extra mile and put an enslaved version of her to do it.

F'n oath, I agree totally.

It's kind of a shit show for both of them. The other guy helped a person get a girlfriend and it ended up with him being blocked from every person on the planet.

+Malthizar he shouldnt have been a lemon

+Angelo Pro they don't make the men saints either

+Angelo Pro I think youre full of shit, if that stuff is proof of misogyny then this episode is proof of misandry where do you pull this crap out of?

+azsxdcfvgbhnjmhn episode three is an example since the wife is a cheating whore, episodes one, two, and three in season two all have female characters that are ether cheating or have done something despicable, last but not least Black Mirror Christmas special is by far the greatest example of this. It shows a cheating wife physically block her husband and ruin his life, it also shows the other view of women which is the despicable suicidal chick. The only episode in the entire series that doesn't make women look shitty is episode 1 from season 1, all the other ones almost always add a label of bitchy cheating wives or girlfriends, and the writer does this because it emphasizes the bleakness of the future. If women, who are supposed to be the nurturing gender in society, go dark, and in some most sociological cases, darker than the men in the series, then it adds a sense of despair to the entire universe, and I say universe because we already know that each episode isin the same world

+naturacurat The most frightening part is at 1:10:25 when the cop carelessly, with malice, and a gleam in his eye uses technology to send a sentient being to hell for an incomprehensible amount of time.

+rita janssen-singh I calculated it and he's stuck in there for 525,600,000 years

+Watson James If something can think or can feel, then it's real. Just because it's not physical, that doesn't mean it's not real. And who are to say it's not real. Making a slave or torturing any being is a sick thought to me. All scenarios were unjust punishments in my opinion, a thinking/feeling being broken and turned into a slave and a man forced to live thousands of years, all alone. The other man was blocked from the entire world for the rest of his life. Punishment should never be cruel and usual in my opinion, and all were both unjust. And of course the woman 'cookie' didn't do anything at all.

+Watson James I actually really like video games, they have never shown any actual intelligence being controlled by the player or being an NPC. They are a wonderful outlet, my only concern with them are kids playing the ultra violent ones, as children have developing brains, are more impulsive, and more likely to repeat what they see/do in a game. But it is up to a parent to decide what games their kids play, no one else's. The likelihood of having an AI with real intelligence or self awareness is very low in my opinion, but still a possibility. But the cookie man and the woman showed real self awareness, that's why I could empathize if this occurs in the real world. Why would the guy need to isolate her. Isolationas been shown to drive people nuts, just look at prisoners locked in their cell 23-24 hours a day. You do not need to use this sort of method on something that is not self-awareness, for instance a simple computer game character (which have shown no defiance from their programming) If she was truly was only coding, then why didn't he just adjust her coding? We are self-aware, yet we are completely code, only of the biological virtuality. DNA is a code, and though scientists mess with it, it has backfired before, maybe messing with the 'cookie' woman's code may have been affected her in an adverse way, and so she would be useless to her 'creators.' I think differently than you, I think with my heart and my brain, and abstractly much of the time. Just because someone thinks in a different way, that doesn't mean they are unintelligent. Furthermore, I have found that people have one of four reactions when they can't back up a claim; they runaway/avoid the discussion, agree to disagree on the topic, acknowledge they are wrong, or they use the age old insults. You opted for option four, instead of discussing it and trying to understand what I believe. I am am going to assume you have had a bad day. So, If you would like to, let's try again. Maybe you will change my mind, or I'll change, or maybe we'll just get a little insight into another's psyche and broaden our horizons, So to speak. I hope you have a great day, God Bless you.

+Luna Wolfe By the way I wrote a lot sorry, I was a little annoyed about a dismissal from a comment that meant to open a discussion between opposing sides. I love discussing difficult and abstract things.

I love how that cop hesitates for a second to have some humanity, then lets her darker side take over. So horrifying because this is totally how cops would act if given that power.

Thing is, the show isn't saying it's just the cops who would act that way. Sure, in this case it was the cops, but the show does a really good job of portraying the petty (often emotionally-charged) ways we all can get sucked into behaving. Fucking dark as hell, and super good.

They should have shown what happened to his psyche in a timeline. Like after a couple hours he just starts constantly screaming, after a day or a couple of days he goes completely feral, after a week or a couple of weeks he goes into a sort of conscious coma, and then after a certain amount of months or years he'd probably accept his fate and perform the same tasks at the same time constantly for 1.5 million years. That's true horror...

@@williampoole1742 that’s exactly what we do every day, only difference is he’s in like a prison and we have release of death

@Josh Becker Thank you Josh, and absolutely exsquisite explanation of the more objective reality

I just hope it was temporary. Probably 2 weeks or so.

@@oficialtf2chanelnftguynow810 Temporary in a different sense. The guy with the snowglobe in his hand looking at him shadily is foreshadowing that someone will kill him at some point.

People with severe mental health conditions deal with this every day...

Being absolutely alone, a fate worse than death.

@@josias2510 The real version of hell.

+Alex Loupe it was pretty obvious she was mentally unstable from what she was saying first time around fam

It was so creepy i felt so bad for the guy, he just wanted a nice time 😬

@@inesfreire9135 to be completely honest, dude was amazing at carrying a conversation on the fly. With nothing but instructions he just flew through the sky, even when there where sudden changed he nailed it with confidence.

Yeah that’s how I was watching it this time around, she was giving hints, very well made this episode was.

I thought they indicated pretty well that she was crazy. She certainly gave off those vibes. You'd think that Matt would have zeroed in on that as he's the expert though.

>may* priceless.

"May not have tried" 🤣 What are the chances he meets two murder suicide fueled women in the same bar lol

​@@williampoole1742 In the Black Mirror universe, maybe 2:1.

Most women try one away or another.

@@williampoole1742 That’s a crazy ass bar

+Lemonducky86 you are right....that is scary af

I wonder if we'll even notice if and when it happens; change is gradual after all. I'd give anything to see what humanity looks like in 100 years.

And what's so bad about it? I personally like such future. People have to pay for being selfish. I would personally block loads of morons and offenders out of my life.

+Sergey Chalkov, you do realize that many people that you do or do nor know will do the same to you?

MrKeotan I actually do. And I don't mind.

Yeah. This, for me, is still the most horrifying episode of Black Mirror, and that moment is the most horrifying of the episode.

She was very scrubbish. She made it like 25 meters from her home. I remember the story bout the kid who survived the airplane crash where her parents died and she walked like 4 miles to get help. The kid in this was just so lame

@@crowntotheundergroud You're really talking shit about a little kid who died? Damn.

@@TimeandMonotony I mean, it's not a real kid.

@@TimeandMonotony i think theyre trying to point out a plothole.

Feel scared. Some fossilisation of errors in your language learning?

@@keithbentley6081 this was posted 5 years ago, is it worth it? I’m responding to a 5 month old comment. Was it worth it?

20 years... You're optimistic

I mean, minus the technology. This happens with prisoners a lot when they're being sentenced. Some get sentenced to 200 years in prison and others get sentenced to death. I in a way kind of believe in the death penalty but it in a way also sort of creeps me out that the state can decide whether a crime is severe enough to be killed for. I mean, I see more then one way. They did something very terrible obviously but it still is scary. Then again, they also can make the decision of how long someone can stay in prison for. Half the time I feel like they didn't keep said prisoner in there then they should've and other times vice versa.

@@SkateMentallity Posted my comment 6 years ago, came back here to watch this masterpiece again and I've just seen your reply ! I can ensure you this is still the best episode of the show and totally worth the watch. Truth is, this episode is even better in 2022 than it felt in 2014. Funny cause on my previous comment I said this show deserves to be more famous. Since then it's been bought by Netflix and kind of became a hit. I didn't like much all the new episodes (only a few), the old show (first two seasons) felt so much better in my opinion, but maybe I'm being nostalgic !

watch the seasons

Chrisko1492 i found the 15 million merits one to be awesome.... so much emotion...

Man, i consume a lot of SciFi and I like UK made the most... and I find myself to totally agree with you! This is gold!

6 years!! Amazing first I ever saw it.

Gonna be 7 years in a few days.

@@trinitylivingston1286 and here it is!

@@astralpa and he we are

@@Hirohito_iLoveYoucan’t find other episodes

That would be Charlie Brooker, a brilliant writer. you should look him up. he's done a lot of other great stuff too.

This show is based off of The Twilight Zone

+Masi you are a fucking idiot

+Cedric Beetlebuss III The immaturity is strong in you!

+Masi you are hilarious

This is the twilight zone but with a evil future tech twist.

and me

+Ana Hernandez Im also from Argentina, watch "15 million Merits" i think its Season 1 Episode 2 its amazing too

Easily to this day.

One of my favorite actors tbh.

Imagine spending 1 million 440 thousand years in a room with a single song on full blast and no way to stop it. Also you can't sleep because that's not part of your program so you are stuck fully aware with no breaks and no way to end yourself

​@@OverRule1eag it is just a computer code. Pretty sure you have done worse things to ai in your video games

@@indiankid8601 AI that thinks and feels like a normal person and thinks it's that person. In real life people haven't cracked what makes a human think like a human so there is nothing like this out there but Black Mirror basically runs on the idea that the human code has been cracked and runs a person perfectly which makes it far more terrifying than anything in real life

THAT'S honestly the most fucked up thing. The guy getting 30-Life for murdering an innocent man and causing the death of his grandchild? Fine. The AI made to confess the crime is innocent.

You should definitly watch the second episode of season 3 then

Or the choise

they also did that on the star trek episode as well

@@pantarei8382 the choice?

Same, but if this freaks you out then you should see Black Museum and USS Callister.

Good point. The episode is really stupid because they could break the guy faster simply putting him in a white room with nothing to do for six months like Jon Hamm did breaking the cookie to be a digital slave. Why waste five years subjective time and by the way it’s ridiculous that they could speed up time so much while Jon Hamm was in the room interacting with the guy. How can he interact with the sim where time is sped up so 17 minutes equals five years?

That’s >154,588 times faster. That’s 42.9 hours in just one second. No way they can compress so much even if they edited out dead time and added filler. They would have to make a sim of Jon Hamm to interrogates the other sim. The plot became silly saying it’s five years for the subject.

@@Bruce_K I think he sped it up so 5 years went by, then slowed it back down and went in. That is why he said "We have lived together 5 years and said almost nothing to each other". I still like this episode. A lot of shows make little sense if you sit and think about them. Maybe he didn't tell the cops to just do solitary because he wanted the cops to think they needed him to get the confession. So he could get the no jail deal for extracting the confession. Another thing, at the end he couldn't talk to anyone or interact with anyone. The police would still need to be able to interact with him and give him orders if they pulled him over for speeding. Also he would need to talk to people at government building to get his driver's license and pay taxes. Also doctors. Things like that. So they would need an exemption for government employees and medical staff who are at work. As a result people like him would always find reasons to get a new ID, go to doctor's office, act suspicious and get pulled over, just to have human interaction. He could find some 300 pound girl who works at the IRS and talk to her just to stay sane.

@@BrettonFerguson- it’s a society without mercy or compassion. Why would they let him talk to anyone? It says he’s blocked by everyone. I assume no exceptions and he’s left to die unless he can get an online job or live on savings and order things online. He can’t interact with people even by email or text. All that’s probably blocked. It has a poetic justice because he can only interact with software code after saying that the cookies are just software code. He could still communicate by writing notes, also singing songs because they can hear the melody but the words are obscured. He could watch old movies and listen to old music maybe. Or instrumental music. He isn’t needed for anything. Someone will attack him randomly as the ending may be suggesting with the snow globe. Isolation would drive most people insane.

@@Bruce_K I get that. But if the cops need to tell him orders like get out of the car or put his hands up, they would need to be able to tell him that. Or if the IRS needed to tell him he needed to pay more taxes, they would need to be able to tell him that. They would need to have exemptions for cops who are on the clock.

I'd argue very much that it's demonstrating how much women can gaslight men for right and wrong reasons. Matt deserved it, he was a douche. Joe may have had some flaws but the way his ex wife shut him out without explaining herself was horrible. And everyone takes the woman's side and declares men guilty until proven innocent. The high-profile guilty cases only hide the he said-she said scenarios that can ruin an innocent person's life through trial by social media.

For everyone I know that says technology and scientists have brought us medicine, transportation, and food enhancement, I always remind them it brought us the nuke. I wish we could go back 1000 years.

Isn't fiction wonderful. Pushing cookie-cutter anti-Internet-networking technology of any kind, Amish propaganda for decades with ZERO DIFFERENCE in order to discover NOTHING NUANCED OR NEW about the possibilities of the Internet that's UNCONVENTIONAL and which would ETHICALLY WORK

@@williampoole1742 The good sides that justify science use rational thinking and self-discipline with those technologies. It's the same with social media, even if it were to control much more of our lives & society than they do now

@@williampoole1742 The nuke was a product of a *worldwide war with cartoonish bad guys and people killing themselves instead of escaping their planes with built-in parachutes in their seats* I think we'll be fine this time around... as long was we love each other

except ted bundy

Ikr. And so how crazy is it that billions of people really believe in eternal damnation.

Hitler? Literally any serial killer?

​@Trollionaire-mn9nm no, I don't even believe hitler deserves a punishment as sick as that. Eternal damnation is only warranted for eternal cruelty.

@@Lunar-dx8pv what does “eternal cruelty” mean.

That’s every great tv show. You just don’t watch them

Don't worry, in the future, cops will still continue to unload entire ammunition into people with cellphones and veterans adjusting their waistband.

Not if you don't get that implant. It might be involuntary though.

that wouldnt be admissible in court at all

Crazy....

that makes no sense

Honestly, what Matt says earlier makes me think it would be anticlimactic. They probably go through all the phases that normal humans do when forced into isolation, from desperation to full-on reactive psychosis. After too long, though, it seems like they dive even deeper and suffer complete ego disintegration. At that point, they become something that's only useful for sale to video game companies as an opponent in an FPS. Presumably, all that would be left of Joe after several million (subjective) years would be a sophisticated piece of software, pliable and intelligent enough to do whatever was requested, but without any human personality left. It wouldn't even be insane, in any meaningful sense. It would probably be very similar to how it was before initial implantation, but without the ability to receive a new impression, and with some odd behaviors picked up during its time in the cabin (along with some almost completely shredded memories of humanity). Any period of isolation where the Cookie ends up in isolation for that much longer than they lived as a person is probably a death sentence, for all intents and purposes.

@@NyanCatHerder what if death itself is basically a cookie...

Probably like the little boy in Stephen King’s short story, “The Jaunt”. Gouging his eyes out from the insanity.

Yea, true. First time I watched this it freaked me out. I love the actors who played those two guys in that house though so I keep rewatching, both John Hamm and I think Rafe Spall. They were so good in this.

@@trinitylivingston1286 John Hamm is incredible in that.

I think talking to them like human is an easier way to get them to comply maybe

The song probably changed after 3-4 minutes.

3-4 thousand years*

It's my favourite Christmas carol ever! But listening to so many fucking times I wonder if I'll ever get bored of it. 😂😂

it's code,it doesn't matter

Binary Lives Matter!

Lol thanks Cindy for your love💕💕💕💕💕💕💕and I hope you like it💗

All alone with the internet all day? Can you spell *Mentally Damaged*? lol

With every 1000 years taking a minute to unfold, it would take 5000 years just to stream a youtube video :P

kenektik no, the time for the cookie can be sped up or slowed down. So a cookie could experience a second as a real second or a thousand years depending on the wishes of whoever is controlling them.

Rachel Reese Yes, but you can't get around the temporal reality of the real physical world. Even if you didn't chat with people in the real world your internet would be "slow" just owing to server response times and the slowing down of pings by the speed of light relative to the hyper fast time you would be experiencing. E.g. you'd visit Reddit and it would never update.

What if they do and your just inside right now? Merry Christmas!

My thoughts exactly.

Do u know where can i watch other episodes??

​@@Scheider468Netflix

@@Scheider468 Netflix

Ya this was my first ep, only problem was it made some of the other eps kinda bad

@@moharshad6882 i can totally understand the feeling

Toaster Fairy!

also the cookie version of her should know what it is already cuz she knew what it was going into the operation.

My thoughts exactly 🤣

Did she know though? Exactly how it works?

@@ryanbrown1918 I think it was marketed as something that memorizes their habits, not something that literally copies their consciousness

Psychologically he would go mad. But he can communicate with people through writing.

+Joseph Gutman You'd have to do all your shopping online, including groceries.

@@RayramAureanBlue correct, and likely get an online job. or if the prices are displayed he can give the money to whoever is selling

Well he could move to a commune of people who don't have those technological wiring in their heads? There's no way there aren't any more homegrown organic humans in that world.

How do people on the US sex offender registry live? Huddled in tents under bridges, chased everywhere, unable to get stable employment, constantly forced to abide by increasingly onerous measures, so restrictive they might as well be in prison, not to mention the risk of being murdered by vigilanties. All for in some cases minor offenses such as public urination or doing with their gf or bf something that would have been perfectly legal if they had waited just a couple of weeks. As for the guy, he is a computer guy, so he can make his living doing code. He can order stuff online in if he doesn't feel like dragging his red shade over to a covnenience store where the only interaction he'll get is the stink eye from everyone and the process of paying for which you don't really need to speak. I imagine his days will be filled by watching nature shows, since it's the only thing he'll be able to watch without those annoying gray blobs. Perhaps cartoons are also OK. He might be able to converse with a chatbot. It would be in his interest to go into nature as much as possible just to maintain some degree of psychological sanity, but judging by current laws he'll most likely have severe travel restrictions put in place.

GLaDOS: perfection

This is what's implied, because that's when they're back to work. Most people seem to believe it's 24h which probably isn't the case

and with non stop music so you can't just rest or sleep or think or focus on anything making time seem to go infinitely slower. and in a white endless void outside. and no recreational options at all like books music tv games hobby materials, nothing. 14 million years of conscious purgatory with looping music so you can't even attempt to pass time in any way shape or form. it's insanity to even begin to imagine.

I think it depends on how long their Christmas break is. Some work places, it's only two days and others it's longer.

@@adamandersson1732 I'd say, probably more like 48 hours or longer. My last job, I technically only got the actual holidays themselves off but I requested vacation time too.

it would drive anyone insane just being 2 years of that, nevermind 14 million

Yes!! It’s an amazing yet disturbing show! My favorite (less dark) episodes are USS Callister , Hang the DJ, and Nosedive My favorite darker episodes are Shut Up and Dance, Black Museum, and Hated in the Nation!

You never saw Mad Men?