It was already noted in the first video at 9:21... Please turn on the Klingon subtitles to see where Richard goofs up… Thanks :)

oh wow, i'm sorry jelle, i totally missed your question! thanks for stepping in adolson. i tend to agree with your assessment :)

turns out i misread the chart in the rulebook

I think it's pretty good! Very simple and streamlined to play. Won my first game on a fluke but the second game was MUCH more challenging (and probably more typical) with the constant threat of discovery, a couple failed attempts, plotters being thrown in jail and -- ultimately -- a loss. Makes me want to play it again, though!

i found a webpage with the 1st edition rules here: www.ultraboardgames.com/black-orchestra/game-rules.php scroll down to near the bottom of the page

@@rahdo Oh that's amazing, thanks so much! I can't believe this was left out of the second printing! (edit: unless I missed it...!)

they play nothing alike really.

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you would LOVE epic spell wars of the battle wizards: return to castle tentakill if you havent seen it

I am curious as why you believe the theme wouldn't appeal to women or Germans. Sure, the WWII thing could be a touchy subject for a large number of people despite nationality, but you aren't supporting the Third Reich in the game. In fact, you are actively trying to end it.

glyyytch Why? Because I presented this game idea to various people who are women, and German, and not one of them expressed interest. General response was laughter, disgust, and eye rolling. This is an American style fantasy game. Germans don't have any interest in nazi themes, or in general, 'war games'. They have little respect for their own army, or those who join the army. This is seen as a 'ridiculous occupation'. This game was banned at Essen, so that should explain fairly clearly how this game does not appeal to Germans. Doesn't really make any difference that you are trying to kill Hitler, that's not going to turn women, or Germans, on.

shatnershairpiece, the reason I asked is because most of the female gamers I know have shown interest in the game. I have also known a couple of Germans that have been really interested in other WWII games. I was actually introduced to Memoir '44 by a German buddy of mine in college who absolutely loved the game. Perhaps in your circles the women and German players you know aren't interested in it, and that is totally fine. I just don't think that it offers as widespread problems in other circles containing similar demographics is all. As far as an Essen ban is concerned, games have been banned for a number of reasons in the past. In the case of this game, I would imagine that it was banned because of the SS symbol on the cards. If I remember correctly, the German Criminal Code outlaws distribution of materials that contain symbols associated with Nazis, among other things. Most games that are associated with WWII end up using some of the iconography of that time period and end up getting banned. That means a lot of German gamers won't even have access to those types of games in the first place so I don't know if it is fair to completely generalize the population's interest. If you would have been interested in the game otherwise, I think it is a shame that your group isn't really receptive to it.

glyyytch yes, it is obvious why the game is banned in Germany, but even if it wasn't banned for symbolism, there would be no rush for Germans, or German women, to buy this game. I will assert this very strongly, this is an 'American male fantasy game'. It is a fantasy of the Americans, not one of the Germans'. I also lived and played regularly in Germany (Berlin Hamburg Munich) for five years, and never met anyone who showed interest in any Nazi themed games like this. Sure, there will be a lot of non Germans who like this game, of that I have no doubt.

shatnershairpiece that may be the case, but like I said, I have personally known German gamers who have enjoyed games about that time period and war games in general. That suggests that there is a portion of the German gaming community that would be interested in it. Also, from what I understand at least, more American style and "American" themed games are gaining ground throughout Europe. From the data available to me it is a fair assessment that there would be a market for these types of games in Germany if there weren't legal concerns. However, due to the legal concerns within the country it is a non-issue. Also, I never said it was a fantasy of German gamers so please don't imply that I am trying to assert something I am not. I also have no information of the type of gamer you are, or the people you gamed with in Germany so that tidbit offers very little. There could be social pressures in place that would impact the number of people who would outwardly show interest in the game thanks to the collective guilt placed upon the German people after the war. Basically, those kind of generalizations make me uncomfortable when I have contrary data. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and at least now I know why you have the opinion you do. Your second reply did a far better job of explaining your position, so I thank you for that. Perhaps the German gamers I know aren't representative. Maybe more interest would be there if it were for the laws surrounding this topic and the collective guilt issue. If you are right though, I find it odd that I happened across the only five German gamers who enjoy WWII games is all I am saying.