Is Burnishing with Glue Just as Good as Tokonole?

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When I started looking into leather craft, I noticed that Tokonole was constantly and (mostly) jokingly compared to white glue. The two are remarkably similar in appearance, but is Tokonole just glue rebranded and sold at a premium? I decided it was time someone found out!
Take a look and tell me what you think! The results are actually kind of surprising.
Can you think of anything else I could try to burnish with?
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Intro 0:00
Lets Look at Tokonole 0:46
How Does Elmer's Glue Compare? 1:43
Lets Put Them to The Test 2:44
Burnishing Leather With Tokonole 3:37
Burnishing Leather With Elmer's Glue 4:16
The Results 4:50
So Should I Burnish with Tokonole or Glue? 5:48
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@calmontgomery8499 Жыл бұрын

When I first started leather craft I used Elmer's white glue mixed with a bit of water. It worked fine and is still flexible 6 months later. But for the cost of tokonole it makes sense to just by it. Tokonole is also more consistent than mixing glue with water in my experience

@rehanb637 Жыл бұрын

I bet the silicone is what makes the Tokonole so easy to work and also why you see a few suggestions of adding hair conditioner with majority of popular conditioners are mostly silicone (to make your hair feel silky) it’d check out.

@tankermanjake Жыл бұрын

I started laughing waaaay before you put the glitter on it 😂😂

@alexdiehl3367 Жыл бұрын

Your glitter art project earned an instant subscribe!

@bbrachman Жыл бұрын

You should keep these test pieces around and see how flexible they are after a few months. Tokonole remains flexible. Elmers may or may not get stiff and crack. Seen that happen on non leather crafts. Same thing about Oil paint and Acrylic paint. Age treats them differently.

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

I'm definitely going to be keeping them around and maybe doing a few more experiments haha. I've had a few people reach out with ideas.

@markolson7877 Жыл бұрын

great point

@V3leathercraft Жыл бұрын

The syntetic wax for shining and resin for water resisting hardness also makes tokonole special.

@Handles-R-Lame Жыл бұрын

All tokonole is, is gum tragacanth mixed with a wax and resin. Not a whole lot different the gum trag from tandy and a wax block.

@AlexanderMason1 Жыл бұрын

@@Handles-R-Lame nope. Definitely nothing to do with gum tragacanth.

@Handles-R-Lame Жыл бұрын

I think if you watered down the Elmer's Glue you'd have a lot better results(not so sticky) and maybe even following up with a wax coat and burnishing that into the fibers. Should get you a good nice looking edge I think. P.S. since we're on the topic. I have this stuff called "emulsified wax" or "Emulsion of Wax" I forget what the exact wording is but anyways i feel if you were to mix that with Elmer's you'd make a great burnishing cream( maybe even better than tokonole?! 🤑). I got the wax Emulsion from Frog Jelly Leather in Texas over the internet. Alone it's not too bad as a wax. But by itself it's literally _very liquidy_ and needs something to add to its viscosity so I may just try adding some Elmer's to it! Lol random I know. Good video, clear and concise and straight to the point!

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

Oh! Thank you! I'm definitely going to look into that stuff!

@pirwothart3547 Жыл бұрын

This was so helpful, hitting the sun bottom right away. Thanks man!

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@beijingbikinikill8608 Жыл бұрын

I’ve never heard this comparison, nor has the thought crossed my mind. However, reading the video title caused some concern! Glad you could solve the mystery.

@rockymountainman 9 ай бұрын

THANK YOU!! from a guy that ate a lot of white glue, it sure smelt and looked the same

@xchrysantha 3 ай бұрын

I really appreciate this video! As someone who will not at all be going into leather working and only has two or three faux leather projects I want to do, this is perfect for me to understand whether investing in Tokonole (and therefore collecting something else I may never use again) was worth it or not. Thank you so much!

@debmackie385 Жыл бұрын

Awesome comparison! I've wondered about Tokonole since the first time I smelled it--this smells like Elmers! Been loving Tokonole, glad to know it's worth it.

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

It definitely is! Thank you for watching!

@effydesk Жыл бұрын

Very good analysis, bud!

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

Thank you! I didn't realize you were on KZfaq! Subscribed!

@TylrVncnt Жыл бұрын

There is PVA glue in Tokonole, just like Elmers, but there are so many different formulations of a PVA, it can be tailored to be stiff and hard, or even flexible. They are obviously completely different products. Ppl who can’t see this idk how to help you lol, would you say the same about CA glues? Like water thin super glue or a thick CA glue, flexible CA glue, they are all different for different applications even tho they are all technically cyanoacrylates… and on that riff, Tokonole is literally formulated for leathercraft, Elmers is obviously not

@stevecollins2770 Жыл бұрын

Elmer's well known ingredient is polyvinyl acetate, aka PVA glue. It is also well known that "carpenter's glue" is PVA glue plus Resin, which is what turns it yellow.

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

Thank you for this!

@therealsidehustle Жыл бұрын

Wow Great Stuff!! You are one big dude! you make that Sm7 Mic look tiny. Keep it up

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

Haha thank you! 🙌

@maxxxmineschanel4356 Жыл бұрын

Thank you mate, I'm only starting at leatherworking, but this is really helpful. Cheers mate, best wishes from Ukraine

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching!

@marcpilote2505 Жыл бұрын

Another great video! And I'm sure Elmers may seal some leather type better then tokenole. Maybe another video idea? 😊

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

Thanks, Marc! Haha maybe I'll have to keep playing with the glue.

@BunyaminSalman 6 ай бұрын

Hi. Were you able to test the results afterwards? I wonder if the glue might have disintegrated or disintegrated. Also, did you use substances like CMC, Guar Gum and Gum Tragacanth? I tried CMC, the result is not bad.

@jims.2514 6 ай бұрын

I've seen comments here with suggestions about using wax, silicone, and even hand lotion mixed with Elmer's glue. A couple of commenters mentioned that Elmer's might crack after a few months. Two things I haven't saw mentioned are Aleens tacky glue or fiebings leather weld, and glycerin. Both Aleens tacky glue and Fiebings leather weld are formulated to flex with fabric or leather. I have an old casing recipe from way back in the day that used glycerin as an agent to help the swivel knife glide through leather easier. I have been considering adding some to tacky glue or leather weld, and giving that a try. I would think either formula would work well with chrome tan, as both would have a good glue to bind the fibers, and the glycerin would act as a lubricant and polish.

@Brbiker 5 ай бұрын

What the method for that 👀

@chrishayes9855 11 ай бұрын

Elmer's = Polyvinyl acetate, Polyvinyl alcohol, and Propylene glycol. Other brands may be slightly different, but most "white" glue is a type of PVA (PolyVinyl Acetate) glue. Most SDS (previously called MSDS) will only list "hazardous" chemicals. Unfortunately, the exact same chemical can have different common names. I always look for the CAS number specifically. The following will seem overkill, but i airbrush a lot of different paints. So knowing exactly what is in not only the paint, but whatever im using to clean up afterwards is very important. Acrylic, enamel, laquer, etc. Even the same "type" of paint can be different between brands. I actually have a binder (yeah, I'm THAT guy) with each product SDS as well as an SDS of each component of the product. So product A, component 1, 2, 3 - product B, component 1, 6, 8. Massive overkill in most situations, but I've learned a lot from doing it.

@SianaGearz 5 ай бұрын

I would think white glue has at least 3 ingredients. 1. Water. Suspension medium, keeps all the polymer molecules apart so they don't tangle into each other, because that would in fact be a solid. 2. PVA (polyvinyl acetate), that's the glue. Probably leaning on the shorter molecular weight side, more towards 10k than 100k i would think, i don't know. 3. PVOH (polyvinyl alcohol), that's also a glue, but it's less strong and just helps keep PVA in suspension rather than settling down in the water. There shouldn't be much of it. It wouldn't at all be surprising that the glue component of your burnishing compound contains some mixture of the same glue ingredients. I think the feel of white glue can be improved by diluting it with more water to make it less sticky. Wax and water don't mix. To mix them you need an emulgator. You might try some sort of skin cream which contains lanolin or lecithin, and in fact lecithin should suspend in white glue better. Though wasn't Nivea formulated as a synthetic analogue to the skin wax found on the skin of sheep? Lanolin is specifically the emulgator compound they isolated out of sheep. So well something like that could bring you another step closer to the desired properties of your burnishing compound. It's just a deliberation and i take no responsibility. I have not tried any of this.

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods 5 ай бұрын

I really appreciate this! I'm saving this comment for later!

@jimspc07 12 күн бұрын

So mix elmers with silicone glove hand cream to dilute the stickiness and its all good?

@simonsparks5738 Жыл бұрын

Water down elmers a bit , do your burnishing and finish with a wax oil balm emulsion. I will try it since I make my own balm and have plenty pva wood glue. I also have been wondering if the two are close in some ways. Thanks for posting.

@pepleatherlab3872 Жыл бұрын

Crafting tip: Yes I'm a big fan of Tokonole,..accept when it comes to fatty chrome XL made projects (where it's ineffectual.) The high levels of fat, wax and oils makes those edges a beast to burnish, unless you bind them up with,..you guessed it,..Elmers glue. Crazy right? But it's true. Grab a piece of Chrome XL and see for yourself. Be sure to use edge dye before applying. Happy crafting everyone! 🍺 Cheers!

@Stevieboy7 Жыл бұрын

Problem is the lack of stretch/flex in white glue. It will crack over time and be very problematic.

@pepleatherlab3872 Жыл бұрын

@@Stevieboy7 Usually I'd agree, but chrome XL is so saturated with fats, getting it to crack would be quite the task. You'd have to rub it down with salt to get the edges that dry. I usually water my Elmers down before application. Looking for 'firmness' rather than binding strength on the edges. There are other glues that can be used instead, but I've not had great success with them. Most cements like Barge tend to leave more of a gummy mess than a firm edge and are impossible to burnish. All that said, if one has the patience, Uniter's primer then Edge paint is a great alternative. If I recall, Corter Leather did a video on this topic a few years back and recommended the same. (shrugs)

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

Interesting... I've had no problem using Tokonole with Chromexcel... Maybe not every variety of Chromexcel is exactly the same?

@troycarlson745 Жыл бұрын

Thanks very much for making these great videos and free patterns! Would it be possible for you to include the Adobe Illustrator file for the patterns as well? I use a CO2 laser to cut the patterns so AI files, svg or dxf work best. I certainly would be willing to pay for these files. Thanks!

@DailyRiot 4 ай бұрын

Add wax, something like Jojoba wax, and to thin it out, use glycerol and I think you will get Tokenole. I plan on doing this after hearing the ingredients. The difference was it wasn't as thick as the glue, and it had a way higher shine, which adding the wax should take care of.

@Gator-357 Ай бұрын

Elmer's and other school glues are made from casien, which is derrived from milk and are nontoxic, which is why they are used in schools. Other white glues or "pva" glues are made with polyvinylacetate and are supposedly nontoxic also.

@lyndacarlson7660 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting. I'm just starting in leather craft and recently opened a jar of Tokonole and my first thought was how much it smells like glue. Hmm

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

That's everyone's first thought when they first open it haha

@brunnermetalwear 6 ай бұрын

U think maybe if u watered the glue down or add something that delutes the stickiness of the glue would that work?

@polosandoval Жыл бұрын

Elmers glue is a type of PVA or Polyvinyl Acetate adhesive. Would be interesting to see if moisture would affect the Elmer’s or Tokonole the same. Cheers

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

I'll do some more playing around with it for sure

@austinknowlton1783 Жыл бұрын

Just discovered your channel. I've done some leather crafting before, never lost interest just got overwhelmed with other things. Anyway, I am getting back into it and found this video interesting. I pretty much have followed saddle shop techniques and the only thing I've burnished with is water and saddle soap. Not a bad result but not up to the results you are getting. Got me rethinking things a bit. What do you think of the idea of watering down the Elmer's and adding some wax? Might be more expensive than just buying Tokonol for all I know but if not I think it might be worth a try.

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

Thanks for watching! I'm definitely looking into adding a few things and making my own. I actually spoke with whoever runs the @Tokonole Instagram account and they confirmed that the type of glue used in Elmer's (PVA) is the same kind of glue in Tokonole. I have kind of a short list of things to try adding but it's definitely going to take some trial and error.

@boneandburnishleathergoods Жыл бұрын

I'd be curious what would happen if you thinned out the glue with a bit of natural oils or even just some Walter if the burnishing would come out a little crisper?

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

Definitely something I'm going to try!

@timsanders4621 9 ай бұрын

Fiebings super sheen works aswell.

@TomMcDonaldatYahooDotCom 2 ай бұрын

Thanks Tim, but I think for the difference in price (and many of us just to leather crafting for ourselves as a hobby), the difference in price between TOKONOL and Elmers type glue is a great money saver for us that cannot afford Tokonol . . . . ......

@markfull1975 Жыл бұрын

Without trying, if I just take the consistency... how about thin the glue with CMC and water?

@orion7741 Жыл бұрын

simple answer, NO. but its not "simple". it is very very similar to PVA glue (elmers white glue), BUT it has more additives in it as well. they are acrylic based additives. that is what gives it the hardness that it has, while straight up glue never truly hardens up. If you could add in enough acrylic hardeners to PVA glue, then you could get something very similar to tokonol.

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

Haha I might try making my own at some point just for the hell of it

@bitofclay Жыл бұрын

A very informative video. I’m considering making a mixture of 90% glue, 5% melted bees wax, and 5% water. 🤔

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

Oh I'd be really interested in how it works out!

@markolson7877 Жыл бұрын

Ohhh, please update your findings and results

@dim4188 Жыл бұрын

Glue, water and hair shampoo (actually not shampoo. Conditioner). Try this alchemist's potion)

@aliikizkaya Жыл бұрын

My formula is%%80 White Glue(book binding Glue) %10 Water %10 Neutrogena Hand Cream For Dry Skin(Because iı contains Water. Thats all. Last 5 years. Works well😃 Apply this formula with your finger and wait until dry. Shines it self. No cloth or burnishing wood for final phase.😃

@wh0tube 2 ай бұрын

Thank our 🙏 can you please do a tokenole vs pva glue as beard grooming products? 😁👍

@macamd90 4 ай бұрын

Hola, se me ocurre mezclar, una parte de pegamento blanco y tres partes de agua, agregarle silicona ó crema nivea ó vaselina, y cera de abeja, resina no sé, pero tratar de agregar los ingredientes de tokonole. Soy de Argentina y aquí no se consigue ese producto, yo bruño con cera para piso de madera, en vez de usar agua podes usar limón

@Tradesman1156 Жыл бұрын

what if you thin down the Elmers and add a little carnauba wax?

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

A few people have suggested that! I'm definitely going to try it. Seiwa has been in contact with me and confirmed Tokonole and Elmer's use the same type of glue (PVA) so I'm going to start playing with it. Maybe I can come up with a recipe!

@markolson7877 Жыл бұрын

I wonder if the Elmer's can be thinned out with a leather friendly solution

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

Oh I'm sure it can. I'm going to look into this more.

@Esuper1 2 ай бұрын

50/50 glue and water. Add 25% carnouva wax. Works great.

@ryonmailnurse 7 ай бұрын

You should add wax and silicone like the data sheet says

@scottmasson3336 Жыл бұрын

Tokonole has glue, wax and silicone in it according to the MSDS.

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

Indeed. I mentioned that in the video.

@scottmasson3336 Жыл бұрын

I was skipping through it a bit but I got the results. Sorry Scotland were playing an important soccer match and won after being the underdogs. I promise to pay more attention next time, sir! 🧙‍♂️

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

No worries at all man. I do the same thing.

@garyeckstein4917 6 ай бұрын

Elmer's Glue-All is an aqueous emulsion of Polyvinyl acetate, Polyvinyl alcohol, and Propylene glycol

@mtnbkr8480 Жыл бұрын

What if you emptied the glue into a bowl, warmed it up then added a bit of paraffin or carnauba wax?

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

That's a good idea! I'll add that to my list of experiments!

@lonniesharp9109 Жыл бұрын

I was thinking the same thing, but maybe thin it out with some neutral oil to make it more applicable.

@V3leathercraft Жыл бұрын

I think, Tokonole is Synthetic Wax+ Glue+Acrylic Resin+additives to keep it liquid (may be glycerin)

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

I might play with it a bit and see if I can make my own Tokonole at some point haha

@diegobou1007 Жыл бұрын

@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods that wolud be wonderful! it's imposible to me to buy tokonole in my country.

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

I've been in contact with Seiwa and they confirmed that the glue used in Elmer's and the glue used in Tokonole is the same stuff (PVA). We're on the right track!

@TheHomeMaker1 Жыл бұрын

Mix the glue 3:1 with distilled water 3 parts white glue 1 part distilled water and it works great!

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

I'm going to try that!

@mpikas 11 ай бұрын

FWIW Elmer's white glue is different then Elmer's school glue

@dieuxroux 7 ай бұрын

You're not ready for this one. I'm a pro pool player and the tip we use at the end of the pool cue is made of leather. Layered or laminated leather to be more exact. What glue is used between the layers? No clue. Anyway, when we finish the installation, we burnish the sides of the tip - usually that's made with the cue spinning on a lathe. Most old school cue makers use a little bit of spit (or water) and a leather piece to final burnish the sides of the tip. It absolutely leaves a slick, mirror-like finish, but since the cue often comes in contact with the pool table cloth, the burnished barrier doesn't last much time and the tips tends to fluff up. What would you, dear leather experts, recommend for burnishing the sides of the tip so it last as long as possible. Thanks for your consideration :)

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods 7 ай бұрын

This is interesting! I didn't even know those were leather! Let me dig into this and get back to you.

@dieuxroux 6 ай бұрын

@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Have you had the time to look into it?

@TacumaGamba Жыл бұрын

Should've added water to make it the same consistency...

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

I'm definitely going to revisit this. I've received quite a few suggestions.

@tranmic4016 4 ай бұрын

White glues is polyvinyl Acetate, brand to brand etc prang generic store brands , some better quality process to others, Elmers wood glue is the same with a color indicator. Earlier Wood glues had saw dust to create better bind between wood pores between pieces but the need was no longer necessary as PVA became the standard than earlier ingrediants were caustic and toxic. That being said people add saw dust to elmers anyway because it increases bonds between wood better anyway. Elmers is not unique to other white glues Tany's water soluble Eco-Flo leather cement is very similar in quality all depends on a porous surface for a bond. If you need a budget to leather adhesive Elmers is great for a waterbased alternative.

@TheAlgomalo Жыл бұрын

The cheapskate in me wonders if it would work to add a little PVA glue and water to Tokonole to stretch it and make it a bit more economical.

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

Haha I'll add that to my list of stuff to look inyo. I've had so many people reach out with ideas that stem from this video. I kind of made this as a joke haha

@francsiscog Жыл бұрын

Try it with watered down glue?

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

Definitely something I'm going to try.

@alandrewgibson Жыл бұрын

Add water or use wallpaper paste!?

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

Haha I might try doctoring it up a bit.

@alandrewgibson Жыл бұрын

@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods yes some old school saddle makers swear by wallpaper paste and beeswax mixed to their top secret preparation - guess it depends how long and how far ‘off piste’ from the original Elmer’s White Glue experiment you are willing to endure. Eventually I am sure you will end up making Tokonole or something very close to it!

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

Haha I'm thinking I might try!

@alandrewgibson Жыл бұрын

@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods it becomes a challenge to better the Tokinole recipe - you heard it here first folks!

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

Haha! If that's possible!

@paulocosta4320 Жыл бұрын

Wend you say white glue ,is white glue for wood?

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

I mean white glue like the stuff kids use for crafts. PVA glue to be precise. I think would glue is PVA with added ingredients.

@madenciufuk 10 ай бұрын

Saliva is maybe the best burnish material for leather. But we don't have much 😂

@TylrVncnt Жыл бұрын

Also try flexing the test pieces, the Elmer’s will crack

@DusktillDawn2024 11 ай бұрын

Try hair conditioner I bet it's the same.

@butter92497 5 ай бұрын

Thin the glue with water

@blackwingvisuals5017 10 ай бұрын

Known this for years ! Just sayin 😊

@brucestuart9947 3 ай бұрын

You are supposed to dilute the glue 1:4 which you didn't appear to do. You didn't really give us a good shot of the samples side by side. From the short shot you did show, they looked the same. The point of using glue is it's glue; it will seal the leather fibres better. Then add beeswax to waterproof if the item is to be used outdoors.

@TobiasC-mg4zk 9 ай бұрын

Never put anything with silicone on fine leather! It permanently clogs the pores in the hide. This is fine if you want to prevent moisture ingress but the magic of leather is that it will breathe somewhat. On shoes and boots it’s important to allow the moisture in the leather to evaporate or it’s going to rot. Cheap leather boots meant to last one year can benefit from a silicone dubbin but any fine leather meant to last is going to be damaged by clogging it with silicone.

@michaelkim4743 Жыл бұрын

But can you glue with Tokonole? 😂

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

Oooooh that'll be episode 2 Hahaha

@Martin-pb7ts Күн бұрын

Really surprised by your approach. You say that maybe they're both just white glue but proceed to use them for burnishing and DON'T try to glue anything with them? That is kinda weird.

@chrisfournier6144 Ай бұрын

PVA comes in many formulations. Most of the stuff you buy dries hard and will crack/break if stressed. No thanks.

@TomMcDonaldatYahooDotCom 2 ай бұрын

SOOOO IN OTHER WORDS - ITS ELMERS GLUE WITH WAX/BEESWAX IN IT

@mohamedebrahem7716 10 ай бұрын

Tokonole will kill you hahaha

@webchez69 Жыл бұрын

I will not pay 15 dollars for a 10 oz container of tokonol

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

You do you. There are other options.

@tughilldog Жыл бұрын

With well over a million words in the English language, your choice of glitter glue vocabulary seems a bit adolescent and lowers the caual sophistication of your channel significantly in my book. Sorry, Tim. I call unnecessary roughness on your viewers.

@BlackFlagLeatherGoods Жыл бұрын

All good, man. I truly do appreciate the feedback but I was just having fun. I'd rather do stuff that amuses me than try to please everyone else all the time. With that said this video is getting decent views and almost no dislikes so I think you may be in the minority on this one.

@tughilldog Жыл бұрын

@@BlackFlagLeatherGoods 😆 That wouldn't be the first time in my life... I wanted to send the comment privately, but did not see an option. Still, all in all, I like your leather content very much and appreciate the manner of your style otherwise.