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if your calculus teacher still doesn't believe the DI method...

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In this video, we will show you why your calculus students deserve to learn and use the DI method for integration by parts. While it's true that the DI and u-dv methods are equivalent, the DI method has many advantages. It's simpler, more intuitive, and it reduces the risk of mistakes. By using the DI method, your students will be able to tackle more complex integration problems with ease. We'll go over examples of integrating x^2ln(x) and x^2cos(x) using both methods, and you'll see for yourself how much easier and faster the DI method is. Don't let your students struggle with the traditional u-dv method any longer! #calculus #integrationbyparts #DIMethod #blackpenredpen #matheducation
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2:02 example 1, integral of x^2*ln(x)
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@blackpenredpen Жыл бұрын

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@JungKookOfficiaI Жыл бұрын

first wtf

@vaibhavmevada9668 Жыл бұрын

Sir i have a question What is the use of order and degree in differential equation?

@mummanajagadeesh6297 Жыл бұрын

How do I solve ab+bc+ca=n² Ex : ab+bc+ca= 36 a,b,c ∈ ℤ & ≥-6 Or ≥0

@vaibhavmevada9668 Жыл бұрын

@@mummanajagadeesh6297 think so First put a=0 you will get eq 1 Then Put b=0 you will get eq 2 Then divide eq 1 by 2 you will get value of c This will be wrong method but wrong answer 😅

@thenew3dworldfan 4 ай бұрын

A better technique would be to use the SDI Method. In this method, it’s similar to DI method. But S, stands for sign. That is +, -, +, -. Instead of just blindly putting the +, -, +, -. The sign has just as much significance as differentiating and integrating.

@stephenbeck7222 Жыл бұрын

DI method is just the table version of the uv-int(vdu) formula. In math, a formula is already a shortcut and a table is just an organizational tool of the formula. If you use one, you can use the other. I don’t know why people hate on a table.

@blackpenredpen Жыл бұрын

Agree!

@Fallout-pv5lr Жыл бұрын

uv-int(vdu) otherwise known as integration by parts right?

@frentz7 Жыл бұрын

@@Fallout-pv5lr right!, which comes from the product rule, which .. ask a typical third-year student "why is the product rule true? does it make sense to you?" ...... your mileage may vary

@ronikkamra7774 Жыл бұрын

Meanwhile this is my favourite method 😅😂

@thenew3dworldfan Жыл бұрын

Also guys, one quick question. Suppose we have a mathematical operator O that maps functions to functions and has this property. O(f+g)=O(f)+O(g), O(c*f)=c*O(f) and lastly, O(f*g)=f*O(g)+g*O(f). How many such operators can you think of?

@HeyKevinYT Жыл бұрын

I am a big advocate of this tabular method. After all, we use shortcuts all the time in calculus; and if we ever want to know "the reason it works" just examine the principal definitions. For example, if a professor bans the DI method, then why are derivative shortcuts allowed? I mean, imagine you can't use d(sin x)/dx = cos x but you have to use the principle every time. Maybe even prove the limit. That's nuts! I think that the beauty of math comes in the simplicity of concepts.

@kepler4192 Жыл бұрын

Epsilon delta for every single time you derive a function is hell on earth I’mma tell ya that

@mumujibirb Жыл бұрын

math is about abstractions and building upon commonly agreed rules after all.

@xXJ4FARGAMERXx Жыл бұрын

Imagine you can't say 9² = 81 and instead have to take the succesor of IIIIIIIII 72 times to reach the answer of IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII and then have to convert it back to decimal notation.

@internetexplorerchan2697 Жыл бұрын

It's like using Definiton (Increment method) on a harder functions.

@NarynbekGilman Жыл бұрын

Then do you all use LIATE as well?

@afif4738 Жыл бұрын

Thank you!! We call it tabular method here, but whatever we call it, it is the same things as integration by parts, just a more organized representation. Why are teachers opposed to this? "Students won't learn anything by DI method" it's a wrong thinking, cuz they're the same and it all comes from product rule of differentiation.

@Mindp08 Жыл бұрын

Yeah our professor started with the “normal” definition and the told us about tabular method and said use it all time when you have a one of the functions being a polynomial. Honestly one the best professors I’ve seen

@afif4738 Жыл бұрын

@@Mindp08 also when you have e^x and trigonometric functions, it is very useful.

@advaykumar9726 Жыл бұрын

@@afif4738 there's also a formula for that but it pretty hard to remember

@QwertyUiop-ct9dr Жыл бұрын

we lose marks in the exam if we just integrate by parts in one step, we need to define what u and v are in the formula and its annoying af

@hammadhusainquraishi1185 Жыл бұрын

We call it by parts

@opufy 11 ай бұрын

I was so happy my teacher literally referred to your videos and is introducing us the DI method!

@blackpenredpen 11 ай бұрын

That is awesome!

@JShaneWelker Жыл бұрын

I require my students in all classes to use this method. Much easier to do, much less room for error, and as an added bonus, so much easier to grade.

@jakefr5150 Жыл бұрын

This is exactly the reason why we use the table - easier to organize and for both of us to check the work.

@DavesMathVideos Жыл бұрын

I did this in my class today. This especially works well for the ones with e^x and sin(x).

@JM-us3fr Жыл бұрын

Or when one factor is a polynomial, because you know it’ll terminate.

@Apollorion 4 ай бұрын

@@JM-us3frOnly if each of powers of the polynomial is a positive integer.

@purple_sky Жыл бұрын

At school we learned a method for choosing u and dv, we called it "LATE for u". LATE is an acronym that stands for Logs, Algebra, Trig, Exponential, and this is the order of preference for u (assuming both parts of your function fall into these categories, which they generally do)! Algebra means polynomials (allowing real exponents), rational functions, etc - any combination of ax^n terms. How it works for your examples: (x^2)lnx x^2 is Algebra and lnx is Logs. L comes before A in LATE, so we choose lnx for u. (x^2)cosx x^2 is Algebra and cosx is Trig. A comes before T in LATE, so we choose x^2 for u. I think this is a really great technique, I've never had to think about which to choose for u since learning this, so I recommend teaching it so it can help more people!

@ralfbodemann1542 Жыл бұрын

Thanks for this instructive and concise video and for advocating the DI method! If I had to name the one content of all your maths videos which I am most grateful of, I would definitely pick the DI method. I am 59 yr old, I've got a Ph. D. in physics, but I always felt uncomfortable when I had to apply integration by parts. Oh I hated the needless introduction of new variables u and v, juggling with differentials du and dv, keeping track of the minus signs etc. The DI setup avoids all these obstacles and provides an easy way to actually apply IBT. When it comes to solving a specific integral, I don't need a mathematically sophisticated formula but rather an applicable and practicable setup that makes things easy for me. So you've got my full support for your campaign to spread the word about the DI method!

@blackpenredpen Жыл бұрын

I am very happy to hear this and thank you very much!!

@petruchos4596 Жыл бұрын

I am a 10th-grade student, and I learned the DI method long before, from you, and just a few calculus lessons ago in school, we've been learning Integration by Parts. But I tried to teach with the DI method in our class, and they understood it, and I was proud of it!

@oom_boudewijns6920 Жыл бұрын

But do u fully understand what the original method means? That is way more valuable i think u kinda lose that when u start with the DI method.

@davefoxxo Жыл бұрын

same, my prof tried to force a confusing (to me) choosing "u" and "dv", but DI method is a way more straightforward setup; you can way easier see when you're done and when there's a loop also owo

@petruchos4596 Жыл бұрын

@@oom_boudewijns6920 of course, or else I wouldn't be able to show why the method works

@katarixy Жыл бұрын

So I didn’t learn this method.. . I organically came up with it because I had to integrate by parts in math, physics and engr classes. I noticed a pattern and then I thought it was clever and started using it. Took me a few years to hear someone else call it tabular method or DI method. And then those people would use it and tell me that it sometimes doesn’t work… and I was like ohhh they think it’s not integration by parts so they don’t understand how to stop it and exit (like with e^x sin x) . So I can see that some people choose to lean on it without thinking too much about it. I always thought of it as an organization method, much like synthetic division of polynomials is just organized division in a neater way.

@lachlanbaxter3567 Жыл бұрын

I learned the DI method from you in high-school. I used it all throughout my A-levels, my undergraduate degree in mathematics, and my master's too! I will continue to use it in my career for decades to come. Any teacher worth their salt would realise that this method is a condensed form of integration by parts. Thank you blackpenredpen for saving me hours of tedious calculation. :)

@jakefr5150 Жыл бұрын

Anytime I work with kids for IBP, I pretty much only show the DI table method because it’s easy for both of us to check the work. You still need to know how to differentiate and integrate anyway. Most of math teaching should be about showing multiple tips and tricks to solve problems. Staying rigid and making students only do it “the proper way” is what makes kids tune out and give up. All about adding more tools to the toolbox.

@pneujai Жыл бұрын

For HKDSE students: You CAN use this method, but u cannot skip to the final answer directly. You need to write the steps every time you draw an arrow. For example, if your DI table looks like this: D I + A B - C D + E F - 0 H Then have to write: ∫ AB dx =AD - ∫ CD dx =AD - CF + ∫ EF dx =AD - CF + EH + c But note that in HKDSE, integration by parts is restricted to be used at most 2 times in a question only (stated in the syllabus)

@nuklearboysymbiote Жыл бұрын

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@malaysabolehpsy Жыл бұрын

They can set e^x cos x or e^x sin x and then you can't use DI method since for DI one of the terms has to go to zero but both e^x and cos x/sin x will repeat infinitely when you differentiate them

@malaysabolehpsy Жыл бұрын

A common way they can set questions to test your IBP, is to set a quadratic equation multiplied by e^ax So it gets a bit tougher, but the rule applies.

@pneujai Жыл бұрын

@@malaysabolehpsy You don't need one of them to go to 0 with DI method, it's just one of the case of using DI method

@pneujai Жыл бұрын

@@malaysabolehpsy The third part of this video kzfaq.info/get/bejne/aK9dkraHncnbo6s.html

@e.s.r5809 Жыл бұрын

I've been using the DI method since the first time I saw your video, my teachers didn't like it... but ironically they also never explained the derivation this well and this clearly! Thank you for making it make sense!

@AbedAbed-by3uw Жыл бұрын

you are right it should be. i am taking this exact same method in my high school textbook in jordan and it is awesome, like imagine if you get a function to the 5th power and having to do all of that derivative of u and integral of dv 5 times!!!

@isaacclark9825 Жыл бұрын

If this does not convince you, nothing will. Nicely presented!!

@caspermadlener4191 Жыл бұрын

"Multiplication is just a bad shortcut to addition They won't learn anything new, so let's not tell them"

@MasterHigure Жыл бұрын

As a math teacher, and a certified Master of Math, I usually think all these "new and revolutionary methods" are mostly silly and/or a waste of energy to learn and teach. But not this one. This one I like. It may not be the best way to introduce integration by parts. I'm a firm believer in learning the shortcuts by doing it the hard way a few times first. And also, this method adds one additional layer of abstraction on top of something that is already a bit difficult for many to wrap their head around; the students would be one more step removed from the actual problem they want to solve as they write. But it sure as heck makes it a lot easier to keep all the signs and everything organized the moment you need more than one round of IBP. I'm gonna steal this. And if I don't get around to teaching it, at least I can use it myself.

@MichaelPennMath Жыл бұрын

I teach this method on the day after first learning integration by parts. Then I send them to your videos!!

@barthennin6088 Жыл бұрын

OMG this was so enlightening! It SO SIMPLIFIES Integration by parts!! And makes it understandable too!!

@jordimayorgisbert6490 Жыл бұрын

I think I discover this method in your video @2019. Since that year, I’m an evangelist of DI Method. All my students work with it. Thank you very much 😊!!

@blackpenredpen Жыл бұрын

Thank you!!

@agostinhogabrielbrito-nf6vf Жыл бұрын

Help me please

@carterwoodson8818 Жыл бұрын

So thankful for this, I try to show this to students and make them understand why it works through integration by parts theres nothing wrong with that, just like teaching the quadratic formula as long as you also show where it comes from and the students understand completing the square thank you prof. BPRP!

@blackpenredpen Жыл бұрын

😃 thank u

@thomasyang2632 Жыл бұрын

My high school calculus teacher introduced me to the DI method since he often watches videos by BPRP. Since then I've been using it in all my calc classes in college.

@potath10e Жыл бұрын

You need to study the concept only once to understand integration by parts... After that the DI method is literally better in every way

@AndrewJonkers Жыл бұрын

Makes it much clearer deciding how to choose u and v

@shivpratapsinghchandel3591 Жыл бұрын

I think, in choosing the which function to choose first, there is a trick called the ILATE:- I = inverse trigo fxn. L = log fxn. A = Algebraic fxn. T = Trigo fxn. E = Exponential fxn.

@tonyhaddad1394 Жыл бұрын

Its awesome in the exams beacaus its more quick and straight forward with less error ( but ofcorse its so important to know from where it came and the deep logic behind it)

@Thebes Жыл бұрын

When confronted with an integrating by parts, and noticing that the DI method works, it’s an amazing feeling. I was actually taught the DI method from a calc teacher not long after introducing the basics of integration by parts. Thankfully, they encouraged it. Needless to say, integration by parts became a fun segment, and the DI method makes them quite fun. Or maybe that’s reflection after not doing integration by parts for a long while.

@Balila_balbal_loki Жыл бұрын

Imagine doing IBP in boundary value problems you won't ever finish a question. Even with DI we had 2-3 pages of work to answer some questions. DI saves time and effort

@SuperDeadparrot Жыл бұрын

I wasn’t taught this method at all when I was taking my first calculus class. My first time hearing of it was when someone asked me to help them with it.

@owenl3929 Жыл бұрын

i’ve been using the DI method for years now because of your videos! it’s been helpful, although i understand the value of regular integration by parts.

@mpperfidy Жыл бұрын

I've seen many of your pieces using or explaining the DI method , each excellent!, but this video has snapped the idea into place in a way that prior efforts didn't.

@Stormer13 Жыл бұрын

My favorite calculus teacher in college taught us the DI method (he called it the tabular method though, so I still think of it as such) very early on. I had already gone through the whole integration by parts lectures with another professor and was shocked by how much faster I could solve IBP problems after he taught us the DI method. I hope more people who aren't familiar with the DI method can find your videos on the subject, as you do an amazing job with explaining it!

@andreishark10 Жыл бұрын

I don't know why is this method not used. It's such a useful tool for eliminating errors that might arise plus you can do it, for the simple integrals, in your head. Thanks for showing it to us.

@mandarmore.9635 Жыл бұрын

Your videos are so helpful thanks for making this type of videos

@yamsang0__0 Жыл бұрын

DI: A term coined by Super Smash Bros players, refers to tilting your movement stick in a direction during hit lag to influence the drift of their character.

@Peter_1986 Жыл бұрын

I always try to find shortcuts to as many integrals as possible, so that I can immediately jump to the final forms and plug in the numbers. My current math courses don't really care _how_ I solve integrals, since they have integral calculus as a prerequisite, so I can solve integrals however I want, basically.

@leozhang6910 Жыл бұрын

I learned this method when learning about the integral from 0 to infinity of x^n*(e^(-cx)) = n!/c^(n+1). It was very confusing when the author used the traditional way of integration by parts, but when they introduced this "tabular method" it was immediately apparent. This is a great method to just keep things simple and helps explain a lot of things!

@yoyoyogames9527 Жыл бұрын

didnt know about DI method for ages and after understanding how integration by parts works, the DI method is a nice easy way to lay out your working, very nice :D

@swapnarajmohanty6698 10 ай бұрын

you can always choose what to differentiate in D-I method or in integration by part using a small technique know as 'I LATE U'. where, I --> inverse trigonometry function [ex: sin^-1x, etc] L --> logarithmic function [ex: lnx] A --> algebraic function [ex: x^2, etc] T --> trigonometric function [ex: cosx, etc] E --> exponential function [ex: e^x] U --> unit (numbers/constant) [ex: 1] its like a hierarchical order of both any one function is higher in the order we use that as to differentiate.

@Neop0litan Жыл бұрын

I learned the original uv method a couple months ago in my BC class and it was so annoying how long those problems took, but this is incredible! Imagine if I had this and finished my chapter 8 test in like 20 minutes instead of 40 lol

@jeffburrell7648 Жыл бұрын

I learned the "traditional" or canonic IBP 50 years ago and used it until I saw one of your videos about 5 years ago. It made things so much easier especially since it streamlines the bookkeeping. I am an advocate for teaching the traditional method especially with something like x^2*e^x and walking through a complete example. Next, introduce the DI method for the same example to show how much easier it is. I am an engineer so, for me, calculus is a valuable tool. I want to know how my tools work but, at the same time, I will use a power tool over a hand tool if it makes sense and allows me to get to my destination faster. I wonder what the teachers who bemoan the DI method have to say about using differential juggling in variables separable OEDs?

@memebaltan 5 ай бұрын

Oxford English Dictionaries?

@mustafakalaycioglu9613 Жыл бұрын

The DI method is so simple to use and so easy to explain. AND IT WORKS!!!!

@willbishop1355 Жыл бұрын

I have always used the traditional u*dv method, mainly because I find the three major "rules" of the tabular (D/I) method feel arbitrarily memorized and disconnected from the true heart of integration by parts, which is the product rule. This video definitely helps explain why they're the same - but ultimately, to use the D/I method quickly you still have to memorize these additional rules, rather than the product rule you already know. However, when multiple steps of integration by parts are required, the D/I method is definitely faster. It's valuable to learn both.

@HA7DN Жыл бұрын

The reason my math teacher in HS disliked this method was something like that students did not learn the integration by parts formula, and could only use it. If he taught us the formula first then the derivation of this table then it worked well, but took way longer than students googling this method.

@user-gs6lp9ko1c Жыл бұрын

I learned integration by parts in 1979, and have been an engineer and physicist for 40 years, but never saw the DI method before. Amazing! Thank you for making these videos! Incidently, there should sometimes be a situation where the table doesn't reach a stop condition, and you find an infinite series solution. If the series converges that can be a useful (and possibly only) solution to the integral.

@doordooor7647 Жыл бұрын

Thanks sir. For easy methods. . Student from. Pakistan

@sirjoseo.nastik2315 Жыл бұрын

Good thing my professor is open to any kind of solution as long as it makes sense and you have proof for it.

@asilbek5727 Жыл бұрын

You are the best. Please, make videos related to Calculus 3. The way how u explain is so superior and unique. Please 🙏, let’s start Calc.3

@sdsa007 6 ай бұрын

WOW! I am so thankful that i can understand this, finally!

@marrus9366 Жыл бұрын

This helped me understand not only DI but also integration better

@yf-n7710 Жыл бұрын

Honestly, why was I never taught this? This is great!

@Ninja20704 Жыл бұрын

My high school syllabus didn’t even require us to write down the u dv in our working. If you can do the IBP in your head then its acceptable. But ofc we have to write the result at each line, cant just skip to the final answer.

@trelosyiaellinika 6 ай бұрын

Thanks for "preaching" this method. I certainly use it especially when it is evident that I will have to do repeated integrations by part. It saves me time, paper, ink😄... And above all, it practically reduces to zero the likelihood of making a stupid mistake and then having to go through several pages of calculations to find where you have slipped...

@Ferraco05 Жыл бұрын

I never liked the uv method for integration by parts. It always seemed to me very unintuitive and akward to remember. The DI method definitely seems much easier and methodical. Even though I have not personally used the DI method (I kinda found my own way of integrating by parts), I still think it is very valuable from a pedagogical perspective.

@konoveldorada5990 Жыл бұрын

I've a good problem for you on integrals. *Consider the two integrals whose lower bounds are 0 and Upper Bounds are a.* First integral: (a^2-x^2)^k x^n Second Integral: x^n/(a^2-x^2)^(1-k) a is a constant. Find the value of "a" Such that both the integrals are equal. And yes, a is not 0.

@carultch 7 ай бұрын

First problem: Given: integral (a^2 - x^2)^k*x^n dx Let A = a^x, and let X = x^2. Thus: (A - X)^k * x^n Expand (A - X)^k, by setting up a summation. Let j be the indexing variable of this summation, that starts at j=0, and ends at j=k. Write an expression for the jth term of this expansion. Exponents for X, will equal j. Exponents for A will equal (k-j). All X-terms will have an alternator out in front, of (-1)^j. Thus, the jth term is: (-1)^j * A^(k - j) * X^j We're summing this from j to k. Recall how we defined A and X: (-1)^j * a^(2k - 2j) * x^(2j) Now apply the x^n term, to build the jth term of the original integrand: (-1)^j * a^(2k - 2j) * x^(2j + n) The alternator and a-terms are just constants, which we can call Kj. This means, all we have to integrate is: Kj * x^(2j + n) Applying the power rule, we get: Kj/(2j + n + 1) * x^(2j + n + 1) Recall Kj, and we have the general jth term of our summation: (-1)^j * a^(2k - 2j) /(2j + n + 1) * x^(2j + n + 1) In general for the power rule, when m is a positive integer, the integral of x^m from 0 to b becomes 1/(m + 1)*b^(m+1). Since the upper limit of integration is just a in the original problem, this means we can replace x with a. (-1)^j * a^(2k - 2j) /(2j + n + 1) * a^(2j + n + 1) Combine exponents and simplify: (-1)^j / (2j + n + 1) * a^(2k - 2j + 2j + n + 1) (-1)^j / (2j + n + 1) * a^(2k + n + 1) The result becomes the following summation, from j=0 to j=k: sum (-1)^j / (2j + n + 1) * a^(2k + n + 1)

@mechanicalmonkee6262 Жыл бұрын

"Tell your calc teacher" He told me I'd lose marks😂😂

@blackpenredpen Жыл бұрын

😆

@gabrielnewson4169 Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for your help. I have been struggling in Calc 2 and this channel helps clearing up all of the things that didn't make sense to me. Thank you

@blackpenredpen Жыл бұрын

Happy to help!

@agostinhogabrielbrito-nf6vf Жыл бұрын

@@blackpenredpen I need you Help, I am from Angola, i need to know, who crieted this method?

@MathIguess Жыл бұрын

Reminds me of the video I made trying to convince a lecturer to allow this method at the start of last year. She allowed it. :) I think I included a second video where I try to prove that it is rigorous. I had fun. :) Edit: I made 4 videos about this?? I went way more in-depth than I needed to xD I have no memory of doing all of that but looking back, it's actually really cool to see what I got up to. I generalised the integration by parts formula and then proved that the DI method is equivalent to the generalised formula, using mathematical induction.

@SeekingTheLoveThatGodMeans7648 Жыл бұрын

Just a shortcut way of putting in a table what integration by parts does. The completed table can always be re-transcribed into the final IBP expressions. Mathematicians seem to have no problem with mapping anything but a problem solving method itself...

@Anmol_Sinha Жыл бұрын

This is genius. I once tried to make an integration method from product rule but wasn't able to. Now I know it was possible lol

@TheOriginal1998 Жыл бұрын

For abstract physics problems in Quantum during undergrad, Integration by Parts was easier to visualize all the parts

@JoQeZzZ Жыл бұрын

The DI method is literally integration by parts. I much preferred laying out the parts in the DI grid than the classical uv - ∫vdu in quantum and solid state.

@roderic3261 7 ай бұрын

When I learned the integration by parts more than 20 years ago I disliked a lot the preparation of the u and v terms and the mnemotechnic rule that arranges them. I figured out a more practical mnemotechnic rule of my own: "IMID". It consists of pairs of Integrated&Maintained and Integrated&Derived (the last subtracted and into an integral), which is pretty similar to what is tabulated here. I just avoided the column arrangement. Now that I see the term that is maintained in the D column it can be argued that the first row corresponds to a derivative of order zero, so it belongs there nicely. The formula tells you why and how there is a part that needs to be integrated and another to be derived, but what is needed is a method that makes you aware of these two operations everytime. Thus, a method that tells you that clearly is preferable and faster to a method that makes you adapt to a formulation, no matter how equivalent they are

@ianhogg4285 Жыл бұрын

Thank you! A lovely simplification of integration-by-parts calculations where, using traditional "longhand", it can be very easy to lose track unless scrupulously careful (which takes time). Have you had any feedback of its use in examinations, or can it only be used as a scratchpad to quickly check solutions?

@Vendavalez Жыл бұрын

Personally I would do the opposite. If your profesor insists on you “showing your work” use this to get to the answer quickly and, as shown in the video, you can derive everything that would be necessary to create the long hand u substitution information while hardly thinking about it.

@egillandersson1780 Жыл бұрын

I didn't know this method before watching your videos a few years ago. But it's just great and this setting reduces the risk of errors. I am one of your apostles

@anoopkumar-dt7wp Жыл бұрын

We use FIS - Integral(DFIS). First * Integral of second - Integral(Derivative of First * Integral(second))...

@shrayanpramanik8985 Жыл бұрын

I always scored full on in the Integration part in tests and never did I ever use that LIATE shit. Learnt DI from you in 11th grade, have loved it ever since. Thanks bprp❤.

@adhirajsingh1806 Жыл бұрын

Don't you still have to use ILATE to figure out which one to differentiate and which one to integrate? ILATE rule is basically that.

@shrayanpramanik8985 Жыл бұрын

@@adhirajsingh1806 nope! It doesn't matter what you choose as first and second functions as long as you have the guts to integrate your function of choice. The answers are the same.

@adhirajsingh1806 Жыл бұрын

@@shrayanpramanik8985 Does matter actually, in some cases you can't integrate it so you have to take the integral itself as 'I'. All I'm saying is that for the DI method to work properly i.e. to get the answer quickly, ILATE rule is useful.

@shrayanpramanik8985 Жыл бұрын

@@adhirajsingh1806 Try integrating (e^x²)÷x² using tge rules of ILATE.

@adhirajsingh1806 Жыл бұрын

@@shrayanpramanik8985 the purpose is not to give a random integral which disproves the point because the point itself is not about every integral ever... it's about how you apply the method on a 'given' integral. Of course, you could choose any function to integrate or differentiate at your own peril, but why wouldn't you use ILATE to just make it easier? And as for the specific example, anyone with half a brain should know when to not use ILATE, especially because the exponential function referred to it is strictly e^x, not e^x^2 which is an infinite series

@slimeball4l540 Жыл бұрын

Thankfully my teacher lets us use this method. He also gave a shoutout to ur channel :)

@MarkMcDaniel Жыл бұрын

I used this plenty in college. A lifesaver during exams.

@skilz8098 Жыл бұрын

This kind of reminds me of solving systems of linear equations either with or without the use of matrices. Solving them with the use of matrices would be akin to the DI or Table method where solving them without would be more like using the original Integration by Parts udv - duv method...

@maryom8004 Жыл бұрын

Nice. Just yesterday we learned this method (on my university it's obligatory to know this), and today yt show me this video. So I will probably understand this finally. Thanks!

@huwdte 28 күн бұрын

Honestly this method is just a more intuitive and quicker version of the original formula, more teachers should teach it alongside the formula, while not forgetting to teach the relationship between this method and the original formula

@Flaruwu Жыл бұрын

I am so thankfully my teacher taught me the DI method when we first learned calculus.

@PurpleRupees Жыл бұрын

Mine didn't. And I had problems where you would have to do 3 iterations of IBP. Was not a good time

@_Speaks Жыл бұрын

Thank you so much sir!!! I'm from Bangladesh ❤ I also use this DI method, thats really beneficial,, Love from Bangladesh ❤

@PhantomKING113 Жыл бұрын

This is actually the first time I come across this xd, but I don't see jow it makes thing snt easier or any harder (?), it just seems like a different way of writing it down. You don't need to write down that the signs alternate to know they do, but ig if this makes it easier for some people it might be good. Pros I see: good for repeated integration by parts where you always integrate the same thing. Cons I see: bad for times when you have to get a bit creative with integration by parts.

@RandyKing314 10 ай бұрын

all theorems (and of course, proven “methods”) are shortcuts. that’s why they exist…so we don’t have to build every argument from scratch. even IBP is a shortcut, and few of us would want to run an integral through the same steps that prove the IBP method rather than using the uv format

@iNimgul Жыл бұрын

I never called it "DI" method, and still used u and dv, but used the crossing rows with alternating signs. I think calling them D and I might have helped in my calc II I took last semester!

@gyanendranathjhaeducationh5011 Жыл бұрын

Hello dear sir, I am a highschool student from India and I am a big fan of yours. Can you please make a video on Hardy-Ramajuna Number😁

@felipecastro4714 7 ай бұрын

could you show that back black board on the back zoomed in? looks very usefull and well organized. congrats on de method. loved it.

@theharknetts Жыл бұрын

I told my calc teacher 3 years ago and he said he’d teach it from now on - but I never checked if he did :(

@y_auc60seb20 8 ай бұрын

DI method is such a blessing method, especially when you are solving Differential Equations

@567secret Жыл бұрын

I think to formalise this algorithmically you need to have a "check if the multiple of elements in a line can be elementarily integrated" because otherwise in the first example you could end up continuing the table forever.

@pedrohenrique-db3xd 11 ай бұрын

You have to do the same thing when doing IBP normal formula, so it's not really a issue.

@BradleyG01 Жыл бұрын

I personally only use this method for integrals that involve powers greater than 2. For me it’s just simpler when you only need to IDP once

@DarinBrownSJDCMath Жыл бұрын

I always allow my students to use this method. I really don't understand why an instructor would not allow it.

@shivanshnigam4015 Жыл бұрын

I don't know why so many math teachers just hate if a kid uses shortcuts

@oscarmartinpico5369 9 ай бұрын

An interesting way. But it would not work with I=integration(exp(x)·cos(x)·dx), but it is possible to handle an equation like 2·I = ... that must be explained to people so that they do not get lost themselves with that method.

@carultch 7 ай бұрын

It does work. You just need to know which of the stops to use. In this case, it's a looper stop. You stop when you recognize a constant multiple (other than +1) of the original integral across a row. If you end up with a constant multiple of the original integral (I) that is +1*I, then you cannot use IBP. It could mean that you went too far, and had a previous opportunity where the multiplier was -1. Or it means that you never had to touch IBP in the first place, because the functions can be regrouped and integrated without IBP. One such example is e^x * cosh(x). Here's how it works for your example: S _ _ _ D _ _ _ I + _ _ _ e^x _ _ cos(x) - _ _ _ e^x _ _ sin(x) + _ _ _ e^x _ _ -cos(x) IBP result: e^x * [sin(x) + cos(x)] - integral e^x * cos(x) dx Constant multiple of original integral, solve for it algebraically: I = e^x * [sin(x) + cos(x)] - I 2*I = e^x * [sin(x) + cos(x)] I = e^x * [sin(x) + cos(x)]/2 Add +C, and we're done: 1/2*e^x * [sin(x) + cos(x)] + C

@ChristianRosenhagen Жыл бұрын

Thank you, finally I believe in DI method!

@darkdelphin834 Жыл бұрын

Electrical engineering 2nd semester rn. In highschool we used u dv for integration by parts. However, last semester in uni I took a math class which included calc1 revision and calc2 and we were told that it's faster to have one of the functions inside the differential (by integrating it) and not have to set u and dv...

@user-ot3um3jd4o Жыл бұрын

DI remains the crucial part of 'intergate by part', but I never come up with the brillent idea before I have watched this video

@FinBoyXD 4 ай бұрын

This is easier to use for sure. But if you need to prove that the result is correct then naming the parts with u and v etc will make it more rigorous. But for normal integration this is better.

@sclearDevelopment 3 ай бұрын

Idk why I'm angry but: In logic, we never have to give variables specific names to make a proof rigorous. I don't see why it has to differ here. I don't see anyone caring about names of variables in u substitution. The variable we study the integration of (∫f(car)d var) is literally called the dummy variable since it doesn't individually matter. Di is rigorous, just non-standard, which is a societal problem, Not a maths problem.

@timraymond7739 Жыл бұрын

My Calc 2 professor (many years ago now) marked my answers wrong on an exam because I used this method. It's how I learned to do it in high school. He argued that it was just a trick.

@pkmnhx43_27 Жыл бұрын

Idk why anyone wouldn’t like this, my teacher called it the tic tac toe method, if I remember correctly, I think it was a reference to a math movie

@carultch Жыл бұрын

It was a reference to Stand And Deliver.

@eitancahlon Жыл бұрын

our professor told us that we can't use this method, so I gave him this video and ow he taught us this method

@wumpledumple807 Жыл бұрын

This is cool to see because I feel like when I learned integration by parts I was taught somewhat of a mix of both of these techniques but was only introduced to the idea of the first method shown but this is nice to see the breakdown and see why you actually do each thing even if it is a couple years too late lol

@user-rg9rb4ks5v Жыл бұрын

谢谢你，我今天成功靠这个方法从班里的学霸变成学神

@nininglestari2026 Жыл бұрын

I love DI formula. It makes sense and less writing.

@blackpenredpen Жыл бұрын

Definitely!!

@darkphoenix8216 Жыл бұрын

While watching your vedios I came accross my weakness in Mathematics, I just want to know at what age you became confident enough to devour all problems at a glance.

@spaceman4286 Жыл бұрын

Very interesting thank you! Could you do some integrals that can be solved with Leibniz integration rule (Feynman's technique)?

@ES-qe1nh Жыл бұрын

He has done that

@stapler942 Жыл бұрын

I would liken the insights of knowing the formula vs. using a table to other places in math where we see an array, matrix, table, etc., is a handy tool for calculation or just visualizing the problem. Linear algebra does things like this all the time and I think there's a lot of emphasis on why two methods are equivalent (i.e. linear functions and matrices; different ways of solving linear systems; all that fun determinants stuff). I'm also recalling the way we represented permutations with arrays in my group theory class a while ago. Rows and columns do come in handy sometimes!