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Blade Runner, Lost in Adaptation ~ The Dom

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Dominic Noble

Dominic Noble

9 жыл бұрын

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@busby777
@busby777 4 жыл бұрын
to the mind of the book's author, Philip K. Dick, the real question was whether Rachel was really a human who lacked empathy, not whether Deckard was an android
@UsernameyMcUsernameFace
@UsernameyMcUsernameFace Жыл бұрын
If that's the case, why does he go to such lengths to make clear that she is definitely an Android?
@DeadManSinging1
@DeadManSinging1 Жыл бұрын
@caitlyncarvalho7637 No. Most likely they cut it out because even though its amazingly philosophical world building, it doesnt take anything away from the plot and, since Deckard doesn't have a wife in the movie, who is a member of the cult, theres no point in having it
@alanpennie8013
@alanpennie8013 3 жыл бұрын
It's worth noting that Decard wants the bounty money to buy the real live sheep he has always dreamed of owning (which explains the title of the book).
@DeadManSinging1
@DeadManSinging1 Жыл бұрын
And doesn't he have a recurring Dream sequence about that sheep?
@ralphmodynlosugarteeth3188
@ralphmodynlosugarteeth3188 7 ай бұрын
Don't recall that part. He wants to buy any real animal, it doesn't matter which. He even thinks of buying an austrich, and then the goat he buys. He even burst in joy when he thinks he has found a real toad. What you said doesn't explain the book title, neither is Decard an android. The title could be translated to: do the androids have aspirations? Its said that they have, but, do they dream of having empathy (represented by animals in the book) and therefore, considered humans?
@ralphmodynlosugarteeth3188
@ralphmodynlosugarteeth3188 7 ай бұрын
​@@DeadManSinging1No, he does not. The electric sheep is in fact pretty much ignored at some point in the novel
@KevinStriker
@KevinStriker 8 жыл бұрын
You get a like just for saying Deckard isn't a Replicant just because Ridley says so, good sir.
@HiddenGhul
@HiddenGhul 5 жыл бұрын
imo he clearly isn't in the film (during when it was made, when it was released and a short period after). Ridley Scott seems to have gotten it in his head that he is one even though it has no relevance to the story at all and wouldn't change anything in the movie. Funnily enough it isn't really mentioned or referred to in the sequel, so it very much feels like post-release Scott saw some cool fan theories and wished he'd put it in the movie.
@nolastname
@nolastname 5 жыл бұрын
@@HiddenGhul , I will say it's a matter of version above opinion. Dom choose to go by "the final cut" version of the movie. I would accept arguments against Deckard as a Replicant in other versions but this one is clear : Deckard is a replicant. Some many elements, again in "the final cut", would make absolutely no sense if Deckard was human (the glowing eyes, the Unicorn dream…).
@morganrobinson8042
@morganrobinson8042 4 жыл бұрын
@@nolastname But here's the thing. A major theme of the movie is humanity divorced from the human origin and corpus. Whether he's born or manufactured is immaterial. He is, and is human. To obsess over the question of his origin is fixating on the facts but missing the truth. Now, from a practical, in-universe point of view, whether he and Rachael were going to be shot by another Bladerunner, or had an expiration date is of course a concern. But they are clearly running to have as long as possible whatever the consequences anyway. So really it just eliminates the ambiguity for the audience which makes it a lame twist instead of an interesting question.
@beageler
@beageler 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, what does he know about his own movie, that hack /s
@captainjakemerica4579
@captainjakemerica4579 4 жыл бұрын
I like the ambiguity but I mainly lean towards him being human does make more sense especially the point in this video
@ThePa1riot
@ThePa1riot 9 жыл бұрын
You know what's one thing that stuck out to me about this comparison? The movie is much more black and white than the book. Don't get me wrong, the film is far from simplistic, but it's more focused on the question of what makes someone "human" and tries to put the viewer in an almost dream-like state of questioning reality. Kind of like the Voight-Kampff test itself. It's kind of the grandfather to Inception that way. Nevertheless, the replicants are depicted as being tragic monsters at worse and retiring them is meant to be viewed as unambiguously wrong unless they are directly attacking you. (Even then, that's more out of self-defense.) Whereas in the book, humans and Andies both seem to have a kind of saving grace and damning vice. The humans are now societally much more peaceful and gentle to their neighboring life forms, but the religion emphasizes that LIFE is precious and anything imitating life is a perversion or simply worthless by comparison. So the andies are ostracized by a society that, otherwise, is quite harmonious. On the flip side, the andies are indeed a persecuted sub-species that simply want their freedom and not to be owned or hunted. Which is understandable and sympathetic. However, they are, by their nature, complete sociopaths that are incapable of empathy as illustrated by the mutilation of a spider. (Something that, as established before, a human being in this world would consider a heinous and unforgivable act. Hell I think that's pretty fucked up just as a present day animal lover.) Overall, good comparison The Dom and it definitely illustrated that both versions are complex works on their own. Neither could be called an unintelligent piece but they do say different things.
@count_bodies_like_sheep9296
@count_bodies_like_sheep9296 8 жыл бұрын
+Anthony Clay (Steel Accord) I agree, but that's the Phillip K. Dick formula, his books weren't straight forward, his books have the reader asking questions. With the book it discussed the dangers of artificial intelligence, the hypocrisy of others, and questioning the purpose of religion as a part of reality. The danger of artificial intelligence: they have a mind of their own, they become self aware, like the andies desire to have lives, disregarding religion, and killing animals. They don't have human emotions, they understand the preciousness of organic life, because they never were part of it. They don't care about lives of others, because they never were programmed to learn that way. Considering the state the world was like in the book, humanity is trying to preserve what ever is left of life on earth, and the andies will just stomp all over it because they don't have morals or ethics like a human Religion: This is kind of why I think religion should stay as a part of human life. (I am a Unitarian Universalist). Mercerism gave humans a reason to respect eachother, to respect life as a whole. Every living creature is a precious gift of God. Wilbur Mercer is a perfect example of man making revealed religion, when we find out he was a fraud, it comes off as disappointing but not entirely devastating. It gives the true purpose of religion, or at least what it should be (in my opinion), religion is about having morals and ethics, and reasons to follow them, man made or not. Dick managed to explain it in away that didn't encourage or discourage people for or against religion. Deckard didn't exactly go out into the desert and proclaimed himself as Jesus, but more of a diciple of Wilber Mercer. But like you said, this ncvel wasn't black and white, this was my interpretation of the book
@merchantfan
@merchantfan 7 жыл бұрын
The most interesting thing is that Mercerism exists and yet it is pro-Mercerist factions that sanction killing of Andies. It's just such a cool book. You can go back and forth about a lot of the things it discusses about good vs. evil and right vs. wrong.
@MissingSirius
@MissingSirius 6 жыл бұрын
Now I don't have to write out a comment! I totally agree. I was surprised when Dom said that the movie is more morally ambiguous.
@mattrobson3603
@mattrobson3603 4 жыл бұрын
I haven't read the book, and maybe what I'm about to say is explained within but How do you reconcile a society based on performative empathy to the point where people buy artificial animals if they can't afford real ones, with the cruelty inflicted on Andies? Obviously I get the theme of hypocrisy that Dick was going for, but if people as a whole were conditioned to abhor violence done to any living thing it seems odd that they'd be able to fully throw that out for something that presents as a thinking, feeling human.
@milkjug4237
@milkjug4237 4 жыл бұрын
@@mattrobson3603 I haven't read it either, but I believe the main thing is that the Andes/Replicants don't feel any emotion right. He went over this in the video, but they are completely sociopathic enough to mutilate and give horrible pain to a creature just to see if it will survive or walk optimally at that point. To the humans in-universe, that is both a person to natural life- but also against the basis of Mercerism. It's not a tasteful mimicry of life, because it can't even feel emotion and it tortures those who do.
@MDWolfe-ks5fu
@MDWolfe-ks5fu 9 жыл бұрын
Vangelis, that's the name of the Greek movie score composer of Bladerunner. Fun Fact: He is also the one who did the iconic movie song, Chariots of Fire.
@Questron71
@Questron71 7 жыл бұрын
and the Columbus Movie (1492 - conquest of paradise) which is probably for most people his best known piece of music
@dresden
@dresden 7 жыл бұрын
M.D. Webster thanks, I was looking for that information
@nhmooytis7058
@nhmooytis7058 4 жыл бұрын
M.D. Webster FULL name Evángelos Odysséas Papathanassíou. Friends call him Bud.
@DeadManSinging1
@DeadManSinging1 Жыл бұрын
@@Questron71 Really? I dont know anyone who ever talks about that movie. It was a pretty big flop financially and critically. Id say his work in Blade Runner is far more well known
@beth12svist
@beth12svist 11 ай бұрын
​@@DeadManSinging1 Blade Runner is the far more well-known film, but the Conquest of Paradise music is what most people will think of when they hear "Vangelis"; personally I had no idea he did Blade Runner as well. The Conquest of Paradise soundtrack kind of took on a New Age-y life of its own.
@SudoProxy
@SudoProxy 9 жыл бұрын
I like what Dom said at the end: "Most directors want to inherit the fan base of a book to boost box office sales but don't want to be held accountable for creating a faithful adaptation." So true. I think the same extends to remakes, re-imaginings and reboots. If we just remember that these studios are just trying to financially strip mine preexisting fans maybe we'd stop being fooled by them or feel like our childhood was raped.
@tommerker8063
@tommerker8063 6 жыл бұрын
yeah, people are too stupid for this, just look at the gaming industry where whatever scam a company is pulling, there are enough people that buy from them anyway
@supoa9489
@supoa9489 5 жыл бұрын
Facts
@chooseymomschoose
@chooseymomschoose 4 жыл бұрын
SudoProxy Expecting a film to faithfully replicate your read of a book is pretty naive and childish, and so was Dom’s statement. Very few books have significant enough fan base to co-opt. It’s usually the film adaptation that raises awareness of and sells the book.
@beageler
@beageler 4 жыл бұрын
Yeah, how dare people develop things, being inspired by things. /s
@naomitheminion6275
@naomitheminion6275 4 жыл бұрын
@@beageler that is not really the point.
@theScytheofGod
@theScytheofGod 4 жыл бұрын
PKD had some extraordinary experiences. I read where: He was home listening to the Beatles (Strawberry Fields) and a voice said to him, "Your son's life is in danger. The hydroseal has popped in his scrotum, and if you don't take him to the hospital now, he'll die." He listened to the voice. His son lived. Fascinating.
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman 4 жыл бұрын
_"hydroseal"??_
@theScytheofGod
@theScytheofGod 4 жыл бұрын
@@Allan_aka_RocKITEman That's the word that was used, idk.
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman 4 жыл бұрын
@@theScytheofGod >>> My ex-wife is an R.N. I'll ask her about it. "Hydroseal" sounds like the name of a component meant to keep water out of a mechanical or electronic device.
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman 4 жыл бұрын
@@theScytheofGod >>> My ex got back to me right away on this. She said it is like a cyst, and she thinks it is spelled _"hydrocelle"._ She also said her current husband actually had this problem a few months ago....
@system-error
@system-error 3 жыл бұрын
I vaguely remember him having some stuff like this with The Man in the High Castle, he started believing that the book was the real reality and his own reality was being imagined by the book, or something mental like that.
@thegarunixking1101
@thegarunixking1101 7 жыл бұрын
10:27 Wait, you're saying I can literally inject determination into things? Does it work on flowers?
@merrittanimation7721
@merrittanimation7721 7 жыл бұрын
The Garunixking Apparently, yes.
@Petronio39
@Petronio39 9 жыл бұрын
Blade runner probably holds up better than most because it wasn't trying to be a faithful adaptation. It stands on it's own merits, which must have made it pretty fun to compare against the book.
@jonathansoko1085
@jonathansoko1085 3 жыл бұрын
True. Also there are many ideas in the book that just wont work in a film and the movie is a better movie for it. Both are good and its weird when i see people argue about it since both are great, and the game
@MM-op6ti
@MM-op6ti 7 ай бұрын
@@jonathansoko1085exactly, mercerism would’ve ruined the movie. Honestly there’s a few dozen ideas in the book that would make good movies on their own, but to shove them all into one would be a mess. Like the mood organ, or replicant animal ethics, etc…
@Bluecho4
@Bluecho4 4 жыл бұрын
"Apparently, comparing Ridley Scott to Micheal Bay can bring about the apocalypse." Not just that, but apparently it's the Drakengard Ending C _Dragon_ apocalypse. Who knew?
@KeyBladeMaster-Dan
@KeyBladeMaster-Dan 4 жыл бұрын
A Drakengard reference... No words...should've..sent a..poet X'}
@keyboardking777
@keyboardking777 3 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't be a Channel Awesome associate without mindlessly bashing Michael Bay just because mIcHaEl bAy BAD!!!1!!!1
@mitchellalexander9162
@mitchellalexander9162 3 жыл бұрын
@@keyboardking777 "Michael Bay actually directed the Best Movie of All Time. Yes. Michael Bay. Best Movie of the Year" -Moviebob Praising the Only Good Michael Bay Movie (and no its not the Transformers films)
@keyboardking777
@keyboardking777 3 жыл бұрын
@@mitchellalexander9162 And yet backhanded compliments like "the only good Michael Bay movie" are still a thing. It's like these people will burst into flames if they give the man his flowers.
@rosie1282
@rosie1282 7 жыл бұрын
That's weird, the Rose company becoming the Tyrell company when in Game of Thrones the Tyrell's symbol is a rose 👀
@Kairos_Akuma
@Kairos_Akuma 6 жыл бұрын
Maybe a Nod from a Fan..? xD
@MateDrinker33
@MateDrinker33 6 жыл бұрын
Rosie Bellwood: It's actually "Rosen" in the book. Scott may changed the name to avoid the anti-Semitic connotations of having a supporting antagonist with a Jewish last name.
@billyweed835
@billyweed835 5 жыл бұрын
Let me explain to you how time works...
@PSNSMANIACALMIND1st
@PSNSMANIACALMIND1st 5 жыл бұрын
@@billyweed835 George would be the fan in this case.
@Ashethetics
@Ashethetics 4 жыл бұрын
PSNSMANIACALMIND1st Maybe just me but I could absolutely see Martin being a fan of both the Androids book and Blade Runner. Blade Runner being out in 82 and the first GOT book being out in 96 gives plenty of time, however the link’s vague enough to be a coincidence but enough that it could be a thing - I would say it’s more of a coincidence if Martin wasn’t demonstrably so good at tying things together 🤔
@BloodyBart888
@BloodyBart888 8 жыл бұрын
Isodore didn't have healing powers taken away by the government. That was Mercer, the messiah of the new religion. Isodore was a chickenhead, a human so mutated that he wasn't allowed to "start a new life in the off-world colonies" for fear of infecting the healthy population with his degenerate genes. Therefore he was forced to be left behind on a empty Earth slowly dying from the after-effects of world war whatever and people leaving the scarred planet behind for less irradiated planets, hence living in an abandoned appartment building
@frodobrommelkamp9119
@frodobrommelkamp9119 5 жыл бұрын
Just read the book for the first time and I can see where the confusion comes from. When using the device described at the end of the video the user experiences everything from Mercer's point of view. The book doesn't make that clear at that point and so I had the same impression at that point - that it is not something that happened to Mercer but to the POV character himself.
@sofaeaway
@sofaeaway 6 жыл бұрын
"Most directors want to inherit the fan base of a book to boost box office sales but don't want to be held accountable for creating a faithful adaptation" *AHEM! Death note...*
@Charles12
@Charles12 Жыл бұрын
In this comment's case, boosting box office sales is instead boosting Netflix watch hours
@karl_alan
@karl_alan Жыл бұрын
On the other hand, if it wasn't for the adaptations, I never would have heard of the original book...so it works both ways. They both hope to roll in a pre-established fan base, and bring more awareness from a broad audience to a book that may be more niche.
@Avenger85438
@Avenger85438 8 жыл бұрын
That Make-A-Drug thing would result in Rapture from Bioshock.
@Sentralkontrol
@Sentralkontrol 5 жыл бұрын
Yeah but it's like, the people are too simple minded and docile to even think of that. Imagine 1984 if the government wasn't a totalitarian hellscape and just wanted to have the time to rebuild humanity
@Ashethetics
@Ashethetics 4 жыл бұрын
And the Chems in Fallout...
@Devilsblood
@Devilsblood 4 жыл бұрын
As someone who has read the book and watched the movie I say both works compliment each other without trying to step on each others toes. Dicks writing is still ahead of its time while Ridleys film laid the ground work for sci fi visuals to follow. If only Cyberpunk 2077 can be released already!
@JonathanRossRogers
@JonathanRossRogers 3 жыл бұрын
Using a different name for the movie was definitely the right choice. Someone who had read the book wouldn't expect the movie to be an adaptation and judge it by that standard. In contrast, I was excited to see the "Starship Troopers" movie because I had read the book. I was very disappointed with the major changes, including complete lack of powered armor. I probably could have enjoyed the movie if it had been called anything else. BTW, I recently listened to the audio book of "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep." I enjoyed it, but was very annoyed that the publisher gave it the name "Blade Runner," despite the phrase never appearing in the story.
@Digger318
@Digger318 9 жыл бұрын
more people should watch theses, i dont think there are many people doing videos of Book vs movie like this. sure there are written stuff, but ah its different
@38procentkrytyk
@38procentkrytyk 9 жыл бұрын
+Digger318 check "book was better" on YT. Guy has some good stuff.
@rcct44444
@rcct44444 7 жыл бұрын
bigevilworldwide1 yeah but it doesn't feel the same
@samuelrodick6326
@samuelrodick6326 7 жыл бұрын
Nerds of the Lost Cinema what about the book was better?
@phoebejohnson1925
@phoebejohnson1925 6 жыл бұрын
KrimsonRouge does it too. (He need more views in my opinion)
@JackedThor-so
@JackedThor-so 4 жыл бұрын
I think the closest one is probably Krimson Rogue and even then I do prefer the Dom better (though Krimson's bad book breakdowns are pretty awesome)
@johnkoch9315
@johnkoch9315 9 жыл бұрын
I admit, I was a bit skeptical seeing this come up in my feed, and possibly still am. I believe this film even opes with "Inspired By" instead of "based on" which is an important distinction to make. It was also something that impressed me, as films are often touting based on when they are literally in name only. I hadn't thought of director's doing this for a hijacked boosted fanbase, but that isn't a bad theory.
@vanyadolly
@vanyadolly 6 жыл бұрын
I'm watching on a Mac and my heart still froze when I saw the Blue Screen of Death.
@cybernet3000
@cybernet3000 7 жыл бұрын
Fun fact: a lot of the extra elements from the book like everyone's desire to own an animal (and the market for artificial animals that creates) and the radioactive fallout from the war and even the kipple are included in Westwood's 90s adventure game based on the movie... though mostly in passing reference only.
@criticalmaz1609
@criticalmaz1609 4 жыл бұрын
Wow, how the heck did I miss this one? It's like finding an extra christmas present... five years later. ^_^
@LWolf12
@LWolf12 9 жыл бұрын
That's a pretty good ratio of people of who read the book and saw the film. Don't think I remember it being that close before.
@Youndabay
@Youndabay 9 жыл бұрын
Back in high school I convinced my English teacher to add sci-fi to the list of acceptable genres for an essay assignment just so I could do mine on this book. Dick's works were definitely different than what I'd ever seen before, but I liked Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep for its look at humans and empathy. I actually think I give more of a shit about the book characters than the movie to be honest (especially Isidore and the real cat at the end :O ), but then again I'm not really one for 80's films.
@kayeplaguedoc9054
@kayeplaguedoc9054 9 жыл бұрын
One I've been wanting you to do for some time. =) Phillip K. Dick is my favourite classic sci-fi author, and admittedly the first time I saw this movie... I hated it. I felt bad becuase my wife had talked about it for EONS (It's her favourite movie) and my reaction was more or less "Dafuq did they do to the book? It looked nice and I want the soundtrack... but seriously WTF.." but I found myself compelled to see it again and it rather grew on me. I feel that, in the end, it is a great movie. There's no denying it's well made and well acted, not to mention ambitious as hell. But I still feel that Dick has rarely been done justice on screen. Minority Report got it... fairly right, some frustrating changes not withstanding and A Scanner Darkly was actually relatively accurate.
@Awakeandalive1
@Awakeandalive1 9 жыл бұрын
They might have changed it to "Tyrell" to avoid the potential for an anti-Semitic reading...
@HiddenGhul
@HiddenGhul 5 жыл бұрын
I know this is 3 years late, but what reading is this? I'm curious
@TheIntimateAvenger
@TheIntimateAvenger 5 жыл бұрын
I'm confused. What are you talking about?
@michaellewis1545
@michaellewis1545 4 жыл бұрын
@@TheIntimateAvenger He is talking about how the name in the book sounds Jewish and one of the FALSE claims made about Jews is that they control the world through corporation. Thus if in the movie still had the name Rosen some would say that the movie is counting that myth. I do not think this was the case. I think the name was changed because Ridley was building his own world.
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman 4 жыл бұрын
When I heard Dom say _"Rosen",_ I briefly thought the same thing.
@Rakiarmas
@Rakiarmas 8 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much, Mr The Dom. Because of you, I not only bought the book you reviewed in this video, but also started hunting books that might be good to read. I thank you again for all these videos you have done (my wallet on the other hand does not :D ). I have found a new interesting world.
@Rakiarmas
@Rakiarmas 7 жыл бұрын
Also I really love that Michael Bay joke. That always makes me laugh. :D
@RoamingAdhocrat
@RoamingAdhocrat 4 жыл бұрын
00:00 I've seen things, I've seen them with my eyes, I've seen things, they're often in disguise.
@ericfaucher16
@ericfaucher16 7 жыл бұрын
Sir, those 7 first words, those first 44 characters , with the music ,gave me goosebumps. Thanks for that
@alysonblackwood3099
@alysonblackwood3099 9 жыл бұрын
Another great video, The Dom! I really liked your point about how Scott didn't try to inherit the fan base with his unfaithful adaptation, and I think that's exactly why movies like Golden Compass, Percy Jackson, and ESPECIALLY The Last Airbender were so despised. Speaking of which, is there any chance of you doing a LiA for that last one? I know it was a TV show and not a book but it could still work.
@Dominic-Noble
@Dominic-Noble 9 жыл бұрын
I think The Nostalga Critic covered that one pretty well didn't he? I know his review was just of the film but he mentioned the show alot in it.
@alysonblackwood3099
@alysonblackwood3099 9 жыл бұрын
+The Dom While I really enjoyed the NC review, he tends to have humor first and analysis second (nothing wrong with of course) and I would like to see a review with your more analysis first and humor second approach (again, nothing wrong with that and your humor is hilarious). However, I completely understand if, like Harry Potter, you don't want to do an episode because you feel it's been picked apart to death and you don't feel you have anything to add.
@wertm123
@wertm123 9 жыл бұрын
+The Dom What about Golden Compass then... His Dark Materials is one of my favourite book series and I would love to see you make an episode about it
@alysonblackwood3099
@alysonblackwood3099 9 жыл бұрын
+The Dom Also, there aren't actually very many in depth show/movie comparisons, and there are a good number of more subtle changes that greatly effect the story that people tend to overlook (e.g. the motivation of the Fire Nation being changed, the Moon Spirit plot thread being rendered kinda pointless, that BS about how the Avatar isn't supposed to hurt anyone) so I do think you'd have a lot to work with that hasn't really been talked about.
@Dominic-Noble
@Dominic-Noble 9 жыл бұрын
+Alyson Blackwood Hmmm.... you make some good points. I shall conceder this.
@troygaspard6732
@troygaspard6732 2 жыл бұрын
This was Ridley Scott's vision, and had an ascetic influence like very few films. The future is not new, but old,dark and rainy. It is the film that created technoir.
@marnetteryes2613
@marnetteryes2613 8 жыл бұрын
The whole mood drug thing is actually a very big plot thread in the syfy miniseries Alice
@rebeccaliar9873
@rebeccaliar9873 9 жыл бұрын
Well, that was your best opening yet. Also, good review, convinced me to track down the novel, and I am now seriously considering Mercerism.
@leothebackgroundsheep3010
@leothebackgroundsheep3010 3 жыл бұрын
You know, it would‘ve been funny if Blade runner got the „In name only“ clause, seeing it doesn‘t even share the name.
@kinnikufan
@kinnikufan 9 жыл бұрын
Only recently read the book, but I absolutely loved it. And you weren't kidding about the spider scene. I thought I was starting to see the side of the Andies and voice my concern for their lack of rights and then...yeah, empathy is kinda necessary after all. Kinda scary though, to think that people with mental illnesses could just as easily be ousted and killed for having similar thought patterns to Andies. When you get around to "We Can Remember It For You Wholesale" it should be a pretty short episode considering the length of the story. And also perhaps the first instance where the movie has more added in than taken out.
@irishcoco725
@irishcoco725 5 жыл бұрын
I have never seen / read this, but have heard a lot of critique. I think yours is very comprehensive. Well done.
@briankentpirrie5228
@briankentpirrie5228 8 жыл бұрын
in the novel it set san francisco in the year 1992 then later editions in the year 2021. in the film it set in los angeles in the year 2019.
@BinturongGirl
@BinturongGirl Жыл бұрын
My dad was a huge fan of the film, and hearing that Vangelis soundtrack was like a time machine transporting me back to about 1988
@WendeXTX
@WendeXTX 9 жыл бұрын
I like how by distancing Blade Runner from the book means you can enjoy both without being critical on what was changed. Sadly the book doesn't feature a soundtrack by Vangelis. Have you considered doing 2001: A Space Odyssey?
@loneronin6813
@loneronin6813 5 жыл бұрын
When it comes to this film, I really enjoyed the performance of Rutdger Hauer (Whose name I still misspell more often than not and likely did so here) especially, even over others, although I think this movie had a great cast who gave it their all from what I remember. I've only seen the film once, but it was Hauer's portrayal of his character and his believability during his monologue towards the end. I get the feeling that his character isn't truly a villain, only labeled as one. Whether it's accurate or not for me to say so, I like to think that it was the society he found himself in that drove him into an antagonistic role as to how he would go about achieving his own ends. Sure, he wasn't spotless, but I think it's fair to say that his goal, that being a desire to live more than just a few years after all of his suffering and turmoil that he experienced at the hands of his creators. The ends don't always justify the means, but I like to look at it this way: If you were living on borrowed time in a world where you have been kicked around and abused, spit upon, and just all around treated as less than even a beast of burden with no real value, wouldn't you want to be the master of your own fate? Is there anything wrong with wanting to have the right to live? I don't excuse how his character would use others for his purposes, but I can understand why he did it. If there is one thing I can appreciate about Hauer's character even though I only saw the movie once and I have yet to read the book, it's that he really seemed to have an appreciation for life, maybe even more so than some of the regular humans in the film did. I like to think he probably saw life as a beautiful thing to be cherished, even in the wake of the society that cast him down from day one. You could argue that perhaps he more so feared for his life and was frightened of mortality, and maybe that's true. Something about his final monologue indicated sorrow and yet also the aforementioned appreciation for the life he fought to extend more so than fear of dying to my mind anyway. In my opinion, I feel that Decker and Hauer's character (I can't remember his character's actual name sadly) are in some ways parallels of one another, and not just by way of one being a naturally-born human and the other a Replicant. Decker is feeling depressed, he drinks heavily, and he lacks motivation to do much in the film. Also he doesn't seem to be in his physical prime, quite possibly to his life choices. (i.e. the drinking) He probably has succumb at least somewhat to the harshness of his environment. At this point, he seems to be in a low place and probably didn't see a way out, settling for simply continuing to exist and ride it out so to speak. Then there is Hauer. He has spent so long being used as a forced laborer because he was viewed as a tool to be used until it is broken, only to be replaced shortly thereafter with no thought to it otherwise. Despite that as well as his short lifespan and the precious little time he has left, he is vastly physically superior to many humans, and performs in peak condition, as well as being fiercely intelligent, even showing clear signs of possessing a healthy amount of guile from time to time. In the end, he has hopes for a better, longer, and more prosperous future, choosing to see life as something to be valued and held close to one's heart, metaphorically speaking. In the end, his goal was noble, but his methods were far less so, and I think that by the end, even he knew that.
@janewick1082
@janewick1082 4 жыл бұрын
So when I read this book the mood organ, I read that as an actual organ type of devise that uses frequencies to adjust your mood. Maybe I imagined that... but I don't think it was a pill dispenser. When he dials for the both of them, I think he used a remote to adjust the devise. ALSO Mercer comes up in the other books as like a weird hive mind parasitic coding that takes of ones consciousness.
@BottomBunkArt
@BottomBunkArt 4 жыл бұрын
What other books?
@peterinbrat
@peterinbrat 4 жыл бұрын
As a modern film noir, it's hard to top, though Dark City was also good.
@eshafto
@eshafto 3 жыл бұрын
Dom just got that wrong. In the book, everybody has their own mood organ, and it directly affects your mood, no pills involved. You can even schedule your moods for the day before leaving the house in the morning.
3 жыл бұрын
@@eshafto when he explained the mood organ I thought it's liquid like beer or wine, but you know it controls your mindset/feelings.
@tynoguchi7450
@tynoguchi7450 9 жыл бұрын
It's good to see The Dom in my sub box
@carlosb6909
@carlosb6909 9 жыл бұрын
I got to check the book out now sounds like a good read
@Rocketboy1313
@Rocketboy1313 9 жыл бұрын
That machine that programs the moods of people could be seen as showing how humans have become far more machine like. They can be re-written and coded to do things, while the machines wish to have free will.
@Stormkrow280
@Stormkrow280 6 жыл бұрын
So the whole power to bring animals back from the dead was when he was merged with Mercer while holding the empathy box, he was reliving Mercer’s “life”
@merchantfan
@merchantfan 7 жыл бұрын
I absolutely love the original book. I'm not sure it's truly adaptable since the part about Mercerism and it's VR 'bible' being pretty central to the plot. It felt a lot more complex than the movie and talked a lot about the nature of empathy and cruelty. It was interesting how a culture technically centered around empathy could be cruel and how a being without empathy could still deserve to live. As an autistic person and person who works with children with disabilities, I feel we need to see more that a sentient being can be upsettingly alien to some in its values and manner can still deserve to live and be treated with respect and dignity. In the book, you could actually tell *why* the government would be afraid of rogue andies. But I also read the book first.
@DeadManSinging1
@DeadManSinging1 Жыл бұрын
You could adapt it as a miniseries, but certainly not a movie
@ianthe2131
@ianthe2131 7 жыл бұрын
I don't know why, but the opening monologue seemed really epic.
@realeala
@realeala 9 жыл бұрын
+The Dom for a 50th or 100 episode special, you should review Gone with the Wind or to kill a mocking bird
@MissLizaMay
@MissLizaMay 4 жыл бұрын
I read the book and I've seen the movie - here's the thing. I can't for the life of me remember half the stuff in the book, but I remember all the different cuts of the film. That movie is memorable, even the changes are memorable. The book... yeah, it's gone from my head completely.
@Hewylewis
@Hewylewis 9 жыл бұрын
Do I have to do another brony costume sacrifice for the Last Unicorn review? While we're on the subject, what do I have to do for you to review The Howling?
@Dominic-Noble
@Dominic-Noble 9 жыл бұрын
You did one already?!
@Hewylewis
@Hewylewis 9 жыл бұрын
The Dom Yeah, do I have to do another? And what do I have to do for The Howling?
@Dominic-Noble
@Dominic-Noble 9 жыл бұрын
+Hewylewis I require photographic evidence.
@Hewylewis
@Hewylewis 9 жыл бұрын
Crap, I don't have a camera.
@Hewylewis
@Hewylewis 9 жыл бұрын
The Dom Okay, okay, you got me! I didn't actually do it. But you don't really expect me to do it, do ya? I mean, that one guy said he'd sacrifice a goat for this review.
@gardener68
@gardener68 4 жыл бұрын
I first saw Blade Runner when I was about eighteen years old, then read Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep a couple of years later when I was in college. Strangely, reading the novel was my first really big step out of my fucked up fundamentalist upbringing.
@Raziroth
@Raziroth 3 жыл бұрын
I'm so used to the newer, more soothing delivery of the newer episodes that going back to the more enthusiastic and energetic deliver of the older videos is both endearing and jarring
@leviadragon99
@leviadragon99 9 жыл бұрын
Huh, well that's neat that Ridley Scott did his own thing with an adaptation but was entirely up-front about it and also made a really good story, wish that'd happen more often. Not sure if I'll try the book now, but I really should re-watch the film sometime...
@Tyzyb
@Tyzyb 9 жыл бұрын
Any chance of you doing A Clockwork Orange?
@gingerstorm101
@gingerstorm101 4 жыл бұрын
Tyzyb 4 years later, you got your wish
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman
@Allan_aka_RocKITEman 4 жыл бұрын
_"I was cured alright...."_
@monstersince
@monstersince 6 жыл бұрын
i read the book first, the movie adaptations bring it to life. its the harrison ford character realising he is also a replicant. i'm watching again on a wet cold bank holiday monday
@williamjarrell8475
@williamjarrell8475 4 жыл бұрын
Your comparison left out one of most striking aspects of the movie: the homage to film noir.
@system-error
@system-error 3 жыл бұрын
More glaring than that is the omission of Moebius. He invented the visual look of cyberpunk in comics that Ridley then translated into cinema. Ridley himself says that Moebius is 'the father of it all'. It all comes from The Long Tomorrow (1976), a story by Dan O'Bannon (of Alien fame) and illustrated by Moebius, which was like the first grimy, gritty sci-fi comic with a noir-type storyline. That's what Ridley was going for. He even asked Moebius to do the design of Blade Runner but he was politely turned down, not sure why. Moebius is very complimentary of him though. The fact that he asked him shows that Ridley was 100% going after Moebius's style with Blade Runner. And as an aside, Moebius also basically created Star Wars. George Lucas was just copying his stuff into cinema.
@douglaskrueger3755
@douglaskrueger3755 6 жыл бұрын
You should also at least mention William S. Burroughs' 1979 book "Blade Runner (a movie)", for the title (which makes no sense for the film). In Burroughs' book, because of institutionalized healthcare, doctors are restricted in performing their profession, and if they are caught with tools of their trade they are prosecuted. So they have "blade runners" who carry their scalpels and other medical instruments for them.
@brycevo
@brycevo 4 жыл бұрын
Both are classics for different reasons, and I respect that
@Shegal1535
@Shegal1535 8 жыл бұрын
I just power read Alex Garland's "THE BEACH" on a plane home from jersey. walked in my front door, set my bag down and Netflix-ed the film with Tilda and Leo. This is a must do! book film combo. the book and film both have their own interesting merits and faults, as well as being a quick read and relatively short/watchable film. Love to see you do this one.
@stollhellhound
@stollhellhound 9 жыл бұрын
I laughed at the screaming goat joke way to hard lol
@katsujinken10
@katsujinken10 9 жыл бұрын
Yes! DADOES is my all time favourite book. A lot of the technology is vaguely described at best but I don't recall any implication that the mood organ dispensed pills. They just said they would dial it to such n such to feel whatever emotion until a certain time like Iran feeling newfound hope after setting it to depression for several hours. I always assumed it was some kind of brain implant so one could set a schedule then go about their day. It's all part of the general irony that empathy is a religion and they see the androids as lesser beings for not being able to feel it but the humans don't really display it to each other either, except for J.R. Isadore who is also treated like a second class citizen for being mildly brain damaged from radiation poisoning so treats people, animals and androids with equal care.
@Dominic-Noble
@Dominic-Noble 9 жыл бұрын
Yeah i realised the delivery system for the mood was probably more complicated than i was making out later, but seeing as its provem you can take another persons mood organ and dial it for them most of my points stand about possible missuse.
@taylorwollerton6970
@taylorwollerton6970 9 жыл бұрын
+The Dom That would be so wierd if you could change your mood and choose how you wanted to feel in a day. Wonder if that'll ever happen. Imagine what the world would be capable of if that was the case.
@otaking3582
@otaking3582 7 жыл бұрын
7:21 If by "Ridley Scott creativity" you mean "he happened to see AKIRA one day and decided to throw this into the movie", then yes, that is "creative".
@frustrated_socialist
@frustrated_socialist 4 жыл бұрын
What the hell are you on about? Blade Runner came out in '82, Akira the Movie came out in '88, and the manga wasn't even released in the US until after the movie came out. Hell, both Akira the manga and Blade Runner came out in the same year and both began development way before that at different times so idk how its possible to copy someone's work when there's no internet, they're on opposites side of the world, and speak a different languages.
@user-qj9en1kp1m
@user-qj9en1kp1m 3 жыл бұрын
I liked this movie but what always made me chuckle was the elaborate test to deduct if someone was an android. This is all nice and dandy except for the fact that the android eyes seem to be glowing in a creepy way that human eyes don't. So, Deckerd would just need to check if the eyes are glowing. If so, congratulations, you found an android!
@Robi-Chaud
@Robi-Chaud 8 жыл бұрын
An ex-boyfriend of mine actually had a university class that was largely about book-to-movie adaptations. However, he didn't want to read the books, so he'd just ask me about them. I really wish your show had been around then. It would have saved me a lot of time.
@TooFatTooFurious
@TooFatTooFurious 7 жыл бұрын
watching this again in the hype of Blade Runner 2049. You know, that movie is good and all, but I actually think that it'd be cool if someone made an adaptation of Dick's novel extremely close to the text
@apex2000
@apex2000 9 жыл бұрын
wow 7 cuts. imagine if they did a delux box set which included all the different versions, plus the makings they still have (maybe some extra commentarys for the versions that dnt have exsisting ones, even if they are just spot the difference), plus maybe a digital copy of the original book. would be amazing, bet would sell to.
@sainguin3887
@sainguin3887 5 жыл бұрын
One of my all time favorite books and movies, even if they're worlds apart.
@helenl3193
@helenl3193 4 жыл бұрын
Same! I love both, but they aren't the same story. They're cousins, not twins. I also think it works because, in addition to Scott's honest distancing from the original, Dick's work is ambiguous and provokes questions in the reader, so there is more room for interpretation.
@SuperSongbird21
@SuperSongbird21 6 жыл бұрын
Apparently Ridley Scott never finished reading "Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep" and Philip K. Dick never bothered to see "Blade Runner". Makes sense.
@greenhowie
@greenhowie 4 жыл бұрын
Also, in the book it's Toads that are holiest and not Owls. There's a bit of weird symbolism where he thinks he's found one and it gives him a real boost in faith and confidence but by the time it's pointed out he's just got a really good replicant he's already questioning reality. Like I say, weird symbolism.
@HankD13
@HankD13 3 жыл бұрын
Loved the book, loved the movie. Nailed it.
@plutoniumZRAGE
@plutoniumZRAGE 7 жыл бұрын
I'm really, really loving these videos. This is my favorite movie, and the book is one of my favorites, too. This is a really fantastic comparison of the two, and the videos in general seem to be getting better and better! Thank you so much for making this series!
@joelklimkowski1643
@joelklimkowski1643 9 жыл бұрын
Your LIA series just gets better and better. I share them with people that were either soured by the film or the book. I can tell at some point you may end up pissing off some peoples cherished memories, just stay honest and keep telling it like it is. Cheers.
@righteousham
@righteousham 9 жыл бұрын
Another great episode Dom. I especially liked what you had to say at the end regarding Ridley admitting he was only basing the story he wished to tell off the book. Hmm, you know who else does that? Fanfiction writers. So, does that make Blade Runner a fanfiction? Oh dear, I do believe it does. In any case, keep up the good work and remember: Stephan King, IT.
@CL-go2ji
@CL-go2ji Жыл бұрын
I quite like that. Bladerunner: the best fan fiction ever!
@teddybetts3254
@teddybetts3254 Жыл бұрын
4:30 My professor in my science fiction literature class told me that the reason for changing the company's name from Rosen to Tyrell was to avoid antisematic criticism.
@robintaberner
@robintaberner 5 жыл бұрын
Got to agree about the soundtrack. Superb.
@ThirrintheMoose
@ThirrintheMoose 9 жыл бұрын
You are one of my favourite KZfaqrs I cant wait til you have a massive collection of vids like teh Nostalgia Critic and I can watch them all the time
@LyleMalarky
@LyleMalarky 4 жыл бұрын
One thing left out... Blade Runner snagged the legal rights to use a title from a completely unrelated book. The original blade runners were smugglers of medical supplies to illegal street medics. I will be forever salty that Blade Runner (a movie) by William Burroughs didn't get a movie, and the title got stuck on something else.
@MagusMarquillin
@MagusMarquillin 9 жыл бұрын
As a Canadian, the thought of having a Deity called Mercer is especially funny and scary. That's a Ric move Dick.
@chrisleffler2435
@chrisleffler2435 4 жыл бұрын
This movie is one of my absolute favorites. It got me to read sci-fi that wasn't Azimov or Niven. But, I don't remember about half the stuff you mention being not in the movie. Actually wondering if my copy was abridged. So, I'm getting a new copy and rereading it. Still going to put Vangelis on my headphones when reading though.
@JoyfulOrb
@JoyfulOrb 6 жыл бұрын
YES, I love both these things! Thanks, Dom!
@JoyfulOrb
@JoyfulOrb 6 жыл бұрын
Sorry, Thanks, The Dom!
@jamiebisson2752
@jamiebisson2752 8 жыл бұрын
I can hardly wait till you get around to doing some other PKD-based movies.
@sugarnads
@sugarnads 8 жыл бұрын
Loved the book. Loved the movie. Didnt mind at all the changes they made. Theyre both cool.
@davehandelman2832
@davehandelman2832 9 жыл бұрын
Great job, Dom! looking forward to many more!
@YeagerBomb-ww3bn
@YeagerBomb-ww3bn 9 жыл бұрын
awesome coat! Looking forward to Total Recall and Minority Report!
@knamedisme
@knamedisme 7 жыл бұрын
do you know what these chinese characters behind you mean in your intro? 蟲草 (冬虫夏草) Fungi zombiefied larvae. LOL, kinda appropriate. Wonder if you chose them intentionally. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ophiocordyceps_sinensis
@GodSlayingBunny
@GodSlayingBunny 7 жыл бұрын
knamedisme I thought it was Japanese
@katherinesanderson8990
@katherinesanderson8990 7 жыл бұрын
It's Kanji, it's Chinese but it's used in Japanese too.
@robrick9361
@robrick9361 4 жыл бұрын
Roy killing Sebastien also kills the movie. Like why should I care about Roy and his pretentious speech about tears in the rain. What about Sebastien's tears in the rain?......you know the innocent man you manipulated then killed out of spite.
@partariothegoth
@partariothegoth 9 жыл бұрын
great video as usual, I must say I prefer the book by a bit though, it's just more my thing I guess
@joe74509migo
@joe74509migo 9 жыл бұрын
I read the abbreviated novel before watching the movie. And I agree that the novel contain too many ideas and surrealism make it confusing at times.
@lonerChise
@lonerChise 9 жыл бұрын
Now I really wanna see you do "The Adjustment Bureau"! as yet another adapt loosely-based on Dick's "Adjustment Team"
@Samson16667
@Samson16667 9 жыл бұрын
Hey Dom, can you do a video on the book, and film, Holes. I love the film but i havent read the book.
@berengustav7714
@berengustav7714 2 жыл бұрын
It's super accurate.
@kittenvixen18
@kittenvixen18 7 жыл бұрын
I thought that the ability to resurrect animals described through Isidore's perspective was part of the lore of Wilbur Mercer...
@l.r.g6061
@l.r.g6061 4 жыл бұрын
I literally had to finish watching and reading this for a class and your video helped me to do so ❤️. Great jokes xD
@anitanielsen1061
@anitanielsen1061 2 жыл бұрын
Apparently, a good number of people actually read the book! That’s amazing!
@andreraymond6860
@andreraymond6860 8 жыл бұрын
You have to wonder if Denis Villeneuve will recycle some of Dick's ideas from the novel for the sequel. Dechard out in the wilderness goes mad and adheres to Mercerism... That would be fascinating.
@Mariusweeddeath
@Mariusweeddeath 6 жыл бұрын
Hey Dom! I think you should pull the Total Recall episode next! We need a break from the fantasies.
@Dragosprite
@Dragosprite 9 жыл бұрын
Fantastic work Dom! Another quality video from you. It's well edited, superbly written, thoroughly researched, and very entertaining. I'm positive we will see you climb to the top of popularity at Channel Awesome due to all this quality and effort and love put into all your videos. Keep up the great videos. Also, the channel could use some new series, just to spice things up every now and again, maybe some more stuff on videogames? Not just reviews on them, the great thing about this series is that it is more than just a review, and brings new ideas to the table, which always makes it more interesting to watch. No pressure though, loving the series, keep it up.
@pinkbunny6272
@pinkbunny6272 4 жыл бұрын
The movie and book started my love for the 80's in their music, alternative fashion, the dark and punk movement. The movie is absolutely crazy violent, but it has some kind of magic... Also, the worst scene is when Rachel yeets his new goat off a building, imagine that... And second that with him bonking Rachel in the book
@myautobiographyafanfic1413
@myautobiographyafanfic1413 7 жыл бұрын
When I read it I thought the novel was about humans being less human than androids, and the emotion drugs were there to emphasize how we program ourselves.
@MarquisSmith
@MarquisSmith 9 жыл бұрын
Been waiting a long time for this one. It didn't disappoint. Cap doffed, Dom.
@Tomwithnonumbers
@Tomwithnonumbers 9 жыл бұрын
I struggle so much to understand whats going on in Do Androids Dream Of Electric Sheep and why. Half-way through I thought you explanations were going to make it finally clear to me at last - and then we got to the end and the story was just as random, disjointed and confusing as it always is when I try and read it. Don't take that as a diss, I only mean that I temporarily believed you may have superhuman powers of explanation then to discover that you're also merely mortal. Maybe one day I'll dream I understand the book
@wayneingold8590
@wayneingold8590 4 жыл бұрын
There's second book that wasn't written by Philip K. Dick. I only read it once but what I remember is it was mostly a sequel to the movie and less the book.
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