And to think it almost never made it to the album...

honestly they knew what they were doing, they've been doing that shit 10 years before bleed came out... Bleed is actually one of their more "straight forward" tracks

@@AlbertSirup None of that changes the legitimacy of the post you're trying to correct...

@@Fitz1993 I didn't intent to...

@@Fitz1993 that being said, it would be a dishonest to say they "just" wanted to make a brutal metal song like Cannibal Corpse is making brutal metal songs - I'm pretty sure the members of Meshuggah do enjoy the nerdiness of making up weird rhythms and it doesn't just happen by accident

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@@vyen9343 Leading into Entrapment in the Paradoxical Spiral until you become the *New Millenium Cyanide Christ*

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Nurtured by a single vocal tone.

Tool's "Invincible" main riff is the same except every two repeats they introduce yet another extra beat, and it's also much much slower

Mike Mangini was already playing this exact beat during his drums solo, way before the band existed.

yep. as a drummer, Hertas are universally recognized as one of the hardest rudiments to play, and the fact he can do it with his feet is beyond impressive

It's like how Bill Burr said one time: 3 different people can be headbanging to 3 different tempos, and all be on time with each other. One guy windmills to the faster bits, one guy goes for the more 4/4 nod, and another goes for a semi delayed nod to sync up with the 4/4. An orchestra of whiplash

Glad you enjoyed it!

He’s slightly tapping the snare between each hit..

Agreed

As guitarist i’m very worried about the monster group of 27 beats😅😅😅😅

Just discovered this channel, I love these videos

hahahahah oh no!

Yeah, when learning this song the pattern was obvious when looking at tabs but it's probably the hardest part of the song due to the speed of it, it requires soooo much concentration

.... Ummmm .... I can explain. ... (I thought no one would notice) It was a test. YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE WHO PASSED!

@@YogevGabay Haha, well then I'm glad! ;) Nice work man. Really impressive and huge love for details. Actually helps a lot understanding and playing the song. Big thanks! Hope you have a good year.

Same to you!

To anyone who's as confused with this as I was: Meshuggah use 8-string guitars. Benefits of more strings are: More total range, more notes available at each hand position (economy of motion) and - if I understood this correctly - better tonal distinction because more notes are now "in the middle" of the string rather than towards the ends.

He also said ObZen was released in 2010 when it was actually released in 2008

hahahhahah best comment ever

Wait... *...Vi Hart...?*

Wait till this dude finds out about Danny Carey, playing not just 4 different sigs, but 3 of them being preposterously obscure, and mixing in percussionist melodies at the same time.

didint thomas trained for like a year to play it live?

@@maximomanzano9165I know it took him longer than the rest of the album combined.

Oh they did don't worry hahaha

"I"

'I' is so random they can't play most of it live ( iirc)

Follow exaclty what gustavo said, that's the whole structure. That's just a mix of group of 3 kicks / snare and 2 kicks / snare k k k S - k k k S - k k k S - k k S k k S k k S k k k S - k k k S - k k k S - k k S k k S Just reapeat that 4 time and then it ends with k k k S S k k k S S k k k S S k k k S S and loops back

My comment dissapeared, my bad, anyway the above works for kick/snare timing. Bar structure is 5 bars of 8 (40 counts) 1 bar of 5 (5 counts), 1 bar of 6 (6 counts) and then loops, totalling 51 counts, Count denoted on ride/crash cymbals at 138bpm during the intro section. Hope it helps!

@@theguy4361 and on top of that hammer 4th on a china cymbal!!!!

Well you have got your wish

That song is deceptively easy to play on drums. It's pretty ergonomic

Well every meshuggasong is 4/4

I just said that to make you understand it still polyrythms, 77535 is not a standard 4/4 song, but it still bleed and fucking Hard to get a grip of haha

Thanks man! And yes, I also thought about the 7-5-3-5-7 thing, but why would it start with 2 sevens?

In fact thats the pattern that plays right after the solo.

@@YogevGabay my guess is it's a shifted pattern of patterns? Just like in Combustion (nice video there) where the guitar starts out a tad late, maybe this one starts a tad early?

@@Variety_Pack Maybe? no idea hahh

@@YogevGabay It could technically still be considered as a 7-5-3-5-7 repeating pattern, because that's how that section ends and the first time it's played it's truncated, starting with the last 7. This way the rationale behind it looks more logical; slow-normal-fast-normal-slow, I like to think that's how they came up with it.

It’s very funny to me to see non-drummer musicians over-analyze the hell out of time signatures for songs, especially metal. Like, find the backbeat and you’ll find the time signature. More often than not a song is in 4/4 but isn’t felt in a straightforward manner. For example, even Tool’s ‘Schism’ is 5/8 + 7/8 until they get to the bridge. It’s really very easy to feel in 12/8 or even 4/4. But everyone tries to find time through the bass line, which is an ostinato that goes over the bar line by design. It’s like trying to find the point of origin on a mobius strip - it doesn’t exist, and it was designed that way. Danny’s drum part, however, gives a backbeat that no one but other drummers seem to be able to latch on to. Moral of the story - don’t think it first, feel it. Then think about what you feel.

​​@@tim.noonanan... I love this reply. It's exactly what I've been telling my peers about their own musical creations. Stop over thinking what you're playing. Feel it, keep feeling it, then think about what you feel and analyze what it is in musical theory that makes you feel it this way. It almost always comes down to simplistic or familiar structures as the backbone or foundation of the composition. All the other elements are just built off of or around the initial structure. Thank you. You put what was always in my head into relatable words :)

you’re right. it IS in 4/4.

@@kymcconnellyeah I remember I heard tooth and claw by animals as leaders and it sounds like it is in a wacky time signature but it is actually in 4/4.

well, the constant rhythms of meshuggah in general are great to relax to

Same for me. Whenever I listen to Catch 33 it clears my mind so much that I fall asleep after a few minutes.

i'm mad for laughing at this comment

Any chance you could explain further?

HAHAHAHAHA best. I freaking love Bill Burr

Glad you like them!

hahahaha epic!

What's Meshuggah? It's Thor; Odin; Loki and the bois.

Well, they blew my mind as well hahaha

Glad you like them!

That's the plan!

Thanks a lot!

Thanks a lot! Happy you like it

Thank you so much 😀

Welcome aboard!

Happy you like them !

Glad you like them!

Glad you like it!

Thanks!

Thanks! Thanks a lot !

Oh man, this is EXACTLY what I am trying to achieve! I'm super happy you found this helpful.