Competitive Coffe Meta

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@@poncho9960I would unironically watch this if it was like a cooking show or something lol

I still like to have needles in my instant coffee. Makes it way more exiting to drink.

i need hu toa

@@MohamedMugahed hopefully she comes back soon, good luck when she does!

shit is hillarious

RIP the guy that just bought the needle tool for USD 3000.

Gotta min max that bean soup

Maybe it me but i wasn't able to discern between cheap machine espresso and 10k dollar tools laboratory shot. In my opinion its like wine tasting aka BS and 99,9% of people cant taste s.... even if its real. Only thing that matter is quality of coffee if its bad, burned, mouldy or whatever it always will be bad coffee. I rather buy expensive bag of good coffee then another needle thing that should achieve what? after tampering and injecting water at high pressure? So i dint even understand part about uneven distribution when portafilter is filled by water unless your coffee machine is broken.

And even that 0.001% improvement is questionable.

This is the reason why everything in the coffee world is so expensive relative to other hobbies.

911th like let’s goo🗣️🔊🔥🔥🔥

@@Pedgo1986gale from breaking bad would disagree 😂

Part of me reads this like parody, but the rest of me knows this is an accurate description.

@@the_wanderful_life Thank you! There's probably a white paper to be written about this.

@@the_wanderful_life I like where you're headed with this idea. Create liquifaction of the ground coffee while still inside the basket or portafilter to ensure homogeneity and organic distribution of ground coffee based on particle size.

@@the_wanderful_life I dig it! Let's start a Kickstarter lol

@@Lykapodium 👍

Tapping to settle the grounds actually performs worse I believe, because it causes the finer particles to travel to and settle at the bottom. You don't need the blind shaker for this, but the goal here seems to be shaking thoroughly to create even distribution. But yes, this is undoing a years-long trend toward all the needle based distribution tools.

It's like how the best forms of power come back to boiling water, sometimes just going back to basics works best

​@@names7278 The thing with boiling water to generate power is that we still don't know of an efficient to convert other forms of energetic build-up into usable power, so we resort to water as an intermediary conversion.

My favorite method is scooping the folgers into the mister coffee until it looks good then, filling the cistern, and pressing "on".

How long are you possible shaking it 🤣​@@AlokSomani

Needles haven't been nerfed, they just discovered a new exploit leading to shaking becoming the new meta

Steam much?

Hi! Life Developer here! This was actually a silent update a while back, maybe in 2023.8. However, it was just discovered. We felt it was too minor to announce back then, but it is important now we have the shaking buff. Have fun!

Cant wait for 2024.3 I wonder what they will change, hoping for new animals but thats most likely coming in a major update like 2025.0

@@ne0dynamicyou’re a dev? If so, can you answer me one question. Does the attack ‘insult’ do more mental damage than the attack ‘gas-light’?

That's just cause they have their good headphones on

@@NightFate the ones that _finally_ reproduces the *true* sound

Same

I KNOW RIGHT

Bro same, I hate coffee, but somehow I have become a fountain of knowledge when it comes to espresso

I don't like straight coffee either, but this stuff just looks so delicious

This is great lol cheers!

​@@rivertjr6501your personally must be as funny as a wall

@@rivertjr6501it’s not hard to find the guy who is politics-poisoned, just look for the dude who can’t help bring up Trump or Biden in a video which has nothing to do with politics.

Some people (such as myself) are 0 steps away from that. But one day yall will see that the candles and the bowls really do make it taste better.

​@@rivertjr6501 One: This is not a political discussion, get outta here Two: Shut up Three: Fascist punk

The candles and bowls are a very intricate part of the coffee process!

I eat the roasted beans whole

Cafe Bustelo isn't instant, it's just ground coffee. I also hand grind but keep some cafe Bustelo in the cabinet for days I don't quite feel like it, but more so because I CANNOT find decaf whole bean where I live to keep both caf and decaf in stock... It is hard enough to find whole bean coffee at all let alone decaf.@seraphim-enjoyer

For all the shit they get, coffee snobs were the ones that told me that dissolving the instant coffee in a little bit of cold water before adding hot water makes it taste better

@@thisguydiabloThe ol coffee pill

@@thisguydiabloI eat pure undiluted caffeine

Nice reference

THIS man gets it.

Actually, vibrating the coffee might have noticeable effects on its taste :]

I suggest for you to get a moka pot. Walmart sells cheap (3-cup espresso equivalent) pots for like under $20 that performs literally the same as the bialetti brand. Also get an aeropress mesh filter to pressurize more thus getting a higher extraction 😂.

Coffee making really is a science and I love it.

No. No, it really is not.

​@davidmorgan6896 let people have their fun would you, life sucks enough as it is

To be fair, maybe we shoulda started with testing before the fidget toys

@@MorgothBauglire They can have all the fun they like, just leave me out of it and lose the pretention. For all the pseudoscience and culinary alchemy, it's just a hot drink.

True

@@tannercolsoncoffeehey Tanner what grinder do you use? I have the Breville Barista touch but the grinder isn’t great 🤷‍♂️ hope to hear back thanks!

​@@kylemessineo8542 he is using a ww eg1 grinder in the video

​@kylemessineo8542 I had a similar problem a while back but couldn't justify the cost of a good electric grinder. So I opted for a manual grinder, the 1Zpresso J-ultra. I was gonna get the j-max but it had just been replaced with the ultra iirc. For $200 usd msrp it's hard to be the quality and price.

@@pannoncannon thanks for the feedback, I have a manual burr grinder which I like but it’s a lot of work cranking out 18-22 grams for espresso and 35+ G for pour overs! You know what I mean 🤣 every coffee nerd says it’s all about the grinder and not the machine so if I gotta good electric grinder things would be much better. Which machine do you have?

You shaking or just tapping the portafilter?

My grinder has a u shaped slot for the portafilter to rest on while it fills.. I just tap it back and forth on the sides of the u while it grinds

@@gifzilla1818 Yeah so that has been shown to be worse than the needles and shaking.

@@gifzilla1818 yeah, I'm doing something similar. Basically just make the portafilter vibrate while slowly distribute in the coffee from a grind cup. I've tried all the fancy tools as well, but I there's no difference in extraction or channeling.

Someone's gotta make something and then convince people to buy their overpriced crap. There are a lot more amateur baristas now, so it's easier to sell this crap to them. So, there's just going to be more and more crap coming out.

Not really you need tools snobs already have for this one I think.

jelly?

In all fairness, their WDT is like $500 while their tumbler is like $80. Seems like they lose here.

@@thatf_inguy8220 whoah, 500 for a series of needles attached to different sized gears? What are those profit margins!

Let people enjoy wat they enjoy

I think the coffee nerds work in aerospace during the day to pay for their coffee!

You should be quick to build a prototype, make a half assed assessment of how much it is better and then sell billions of them.

Basically best method would be both the shaking & the needles at the same time? Huh 🤔 I've never made an espresso, but one of these days I'm going to make one and figure out a way to test this.

It's almost as if the humble concrete mixer, being a rotating, finned, offset drum, makes more sense for mixing stuff, is cheap and easy to manufacture, and largely has not been improved in 120 years, makes more sense than some crazy clockwork contraption with a gazillion needle agitators.

To add to this I've been thinking I reckon you could get a better extraction by grinding coarser and lowering the pressure . You would certainly get a smoother run through of water and a more evenly rinsed or extracted coffee with the needle method. However for finer and uniform grind and high pressure a tossed method would mix coarser and finer particles allowing a steady rate of flow. My logic to my first comment is that for concrete the idea is to vibrate and allow air to escape and for the concrete to essentially level out , and shring yes vibrating concrete makes it shrink by 30% of its volume essentially packing in tighter and denser . For coffee grounds however we don't want it packed super tight and dense we want it squashed tight with gaps between the particles for flow and extraction. The mixer essentially rolls and airates allowing small and large sand/stone to be evenly incorporated with cement so my theory is for coffee we want to tumble the grounds with a fraction of moisture so that the larger particles and smaller mix evenly then we want to tamper it without vibration then lower the pressure a tad closer to 8 bars of pressure . This should give far more uniform extraction than anything currently used . But this is just a theory I've got no coffee equipment. I have a decade of construction experience and a few years experience working in coffee shops and a passion for great coffee. More so it's the science and the origins of that coffee. I can also to some extent blind tell the variety, country and altitude of each coffee but nothing crazy

The other reason is in this method they don’t even out the coffee, there is less around the edges where the water begins to flow at the start and work its way in. This is much better than the first drops coming out of the centre

What are you talking about? This is somebody's hobby. It's the same as someone buying expensive, higher quality paints for their art, or a mountain biker investing in better gear.

@@Eutropios getting ripped in the name of hobby 🤣 It's not a hobby it's an ad.. Cigarettes coffee cosmetics every industry knows how to promote it's products 😄

​@Andymandyrocks most people have cheaper alternatives to these products. You only see online figures with this expensive stuff since this is their job.

@@joshcreegan8816 same as fashion industry 🤭

⁠​⁠​⁠@@Eutropios buying higher quality paints is made redundant by digital artwork and investing in better equipment is just investing into more safety. investing in more coffee gadgets is more like buying a fancy-looking bong because you think it makes the dope hit faster

Is there a video of this somewhere? I'm having trouble visualizing this in my mind. Thanks

Combine the 2 nerd-activities, expresso-whiskey for the win

This should be pinned

Does it get the grounds even distributed on the first fall into the portafilter? From what I remember of the Lance Hendrick video, it was the evenness of that initial dump of grounds into the portafilter that made the significant difference, which the curved walls of the Weber would seem to ensure.

@@natus49It does not

@@natus49 it's not even but nothing a few side taps won't fix. I've been using this method since I saw the video and honestly my channeling is completely gone. I'm getting more consistent results than I did with WDT

But all of this stuff is driven largely by the desire to have a new cool gadget.

When you're a coffee expert, that 0.0001% is probably a night & day difference.

​@@sethporter6365 no it ain't. These guys will pull out refractometers to test extraction because they can't taste the difference, they need a machine to tell them it's there.

It's a hobby, and just like any other hobby, people will spend money on their favorite hobbies. If you're a gamer, you probably spend a lot on new games.

​@@sethporter6365 to be fair if you spend ridiculous amount of money and time on games it's called addiction. You guys surpassed this into a cult territory.

You're aware what a company is, correct?

IDK what you're talking about. This product is a game changer.... until next year when a new product comes out, then that's the game changer, etc etc forever. Honest companies, like Apple with their iPhone, make game changing moves all the time. I hope you sense the sarcasm in my statement.

I use it because it’s fun to use. I don’t need perfect espresso, I need FUN espresso.

@@gonggonglive fair enough, I won't begrudge someone something they enjoy. But to me it's an extra step that adds exactly zero value.. It's like flipping a light switch 3 times instead of just once.. you can do it, but it's a waste of time and energy.

Unless flipping the light switch 3 times gives you extra enjoyment when turning on the light 😅

Great idea!

Using a regular dosing cup has the same problems as grinding directly into a portafilter where it's so uneven you need to do something to distribute it besides tapping.

any hobby is pointless

​@@logickedmazimoon6001Wildly false. I 3D sculpted as a hobby while I worked a full time retail job. Now my hobby is my job. Don't pick pointless hobbies? 🤷

@@tswan137 Doesnt mean hobbies have to be useful

@@logickedmazimoon6001 Nope, but your statement "any hobby is pointless" is really naive and dumb :)

I mean, there's plenty of coffee hobby methods that _are_ useful. The needle thing just isnt one. Best bet? Actually study and test before spending the money. Nothing wrong with making it fun. It's just, if you wanna pull the best shot, act like it.

*Cough enthusiasts cough*

its not a scam if people think its worth it.

@@ItsMeChillTyme Until the buyers remorse sets in

that can be true for anything.. even a car or something, doesnt make it a scam@@darkbrother339

The needles have been the things for years. (Maybe a decade now?) And we (used to) have a very nice and simple explanation as to why they were the best, which is why it's so surprising that a simpler method is able to outperform them

That's coffee nerds for you

Coffee nerds believe whatever people say

@@notafanofprism1722 hey thanks man I had no clue. Our esteemed coffee affeniondo has shown me things with coffee I've never imagined lol

​@@100Hasakethat's not how that works lol. Shit changes over time. People make discoveries that expand the collective knowledge about a topic.

Here’s the comment i was searching for 😂😂

Found the buzz kill

@@chair5613 not reading all that dawg respectfully

​@@chair5613I read it! That was interesting!

​@chair5613 that's alot of words for: "I waste my time trying to figure out how to make coffee taste 1% better, for no actual reason."

Not exactly a good comparison to a microwave. The tool distributes grinds around, a microwave just spins the whole only heating the contact surface and slowly heating the inside food. The espresso is so fine there shouldn't be any dead zones unless it's clumping. This is just another money grab in the espresso world

​​@@spotimpact.Microwaves vibrate the water molecules to heat food, not just the contact surface, the reason you stir is to even out the water distribution, not to even out the heat distribution, microwaves aren't ovens

That is exactly not the reason.

​@@spotimpact. Microwaves vibrate water molecules to heat food. Usually it happens from the inside out.

@@Lettusfarm way to go you used Google and almost copied it word for word

I am not sure how people see coffee as pointless. It is the world’s second most consumed beverage and 6th most traded commodity. The business of coffee makes the world keep going.

You sound like Nokia. Thinking your experience gives you something, except all these new tools improve on what you know and will leave you in the dust eventually. Although what you know is not yet a common skill so at this point your skill level is still considered above average.

​@@ambhaiji😂😂😂

love calling hobby communities fandoms, gave me absolute whiplash

I came here to say this exactly, although I didn't know how to say it.❤

I totally agree. i could swear i heard somewhere that the shaker was not a good method last year.

Don't forget the marzel vanes and the prefamulated amulite

It’s language used so people get the idea. But all big (and most small) coffee companies have research and development departments it’s how they develop products to make money. These people have real titles but it’s all good. Most people have some ridiculous title to make themselves feel better about their lives. How many managers can 1 business have?