@ersia87 I think it's all in how quickly you plan to drink it. For example, here in our kitchen, we have 2 of the glass versions going pretty much throughout the day and the coffee in the pot is poured out almost immediately after it's brewed. We use glass because it does keep it warm to begin with without having to pre-warm the thermal. If you are going to drink it throughout the day, I'd go with the thermal myself. - Kat

@klarinetta It came with the Bonavita and so since it was opened up we used it for both - Kat

@machuq Of course!! :) I hope we'll be able to do stuff like that in the future as we expand our business ...we'll see - Kat

The Technivorm thermal does have a brew through lid option to it, however ... definitely plays a part in keeping things nice and toasty! :) - Kat

Well since I'm a pensioner now, the Technivorm is out due to price. So I purchased the Bonavita about 6 months ago and have been very happy with it. Nice to see it validated here. Also I agree with other comments on the carafe,(but then perhaps I have more patience), it needs some re-thinking. I also don't think it stays hot very long for thermal carafe. But because mine is a 5 cup rather than 8 cup, we find it brews two coffee travel mugs precisely so time in carafe is not a huge problem.

not surprised by the bonvita being hotter it prides it's self on having a massive psu and heating element. It's pretty cool that you put two SCAA certified brewers head to head...

@wessabessa We could only try them at the temps the actual coffee makers produced! That was a variable we had absolutely no control over :) - Kat

The Bonavita guys say you can use this for smaller amounts but that you won't get the same flavor, so they don't recommend it. The Technivorm can do smaller amounts and I've made nice small batches from it. You could also consider the Breville YouBrew which will allow you to make an individual cup ... - Kat

@klarinetta We didn't notice this so perhaps it's a subjective situation? Both cups tasted excellent. - Kat

@alvarinho85 Gail is one of SCG's co-owners. She is originally from the east coast - Kat

Maestro Plus has been discontinued in favor of the Encore. Definitely recommend that over the Bodum model - Kat

I loved the coffee from the Bonavita. Problem was, I went through 5 of the machines in 2-3 years. The heating element gave out on 3 of them, and the electronics on the others. All were replaced under warranty, so I can't say enough about their customer service, but the machines just didn't last. (one pot of coffee per day). I even kept and used the glass lined carafe from my first machine, to use with the others. The later ones had stainless inside the carafe. I just got tired of replacing them! And, I strongly suggest only the machine with the on/off button, as the fancy electronics they installed on later machines were a total failure. Many had problems according to online reviews. Wish I still had a good reliable operating one!

@swimjay There really isn't; both of the containers were a similar temp as they were heated and the thermal on the Bonavita has glass vs. SS inside. I agree that flavor changes a lot as it is cooled but since the most common question we get on drip coffee is how hot it is, we felt it was important to taste at this point in the brew. - Kat

Thanks for the advice Kat :) I just purchased this unit on Amazon yesterday and it's not here yet. Like Kev I plan on using it for just myself in the morning so I won't be making more than 2-3 cups at a time, so I'm returning this and just buying the technivorm.

They're both really awesome, thought; any differences between the two, taste-wise, are super minor. - Kat

Thank you for the volume info!

@klarinetta Cool! Yeah, we didn't notice anything particularly bad about the coffee taste. :) - Kat

Yeah - you can mess with steeping time, grind and dosage to improve the flavor. - Kat

Almost a great video! I just wish you had used the same carafe materials so you were comparing the same apples. Since the temperature was such a key component in the comments, this really didn't help me much. I really wanted to love it because you are all so adorable and knowledgeable!

Yeah -- I think they are pretty similar, end-result-wise. The Technivorms probably have a longer life, though. - Kat

@ScottAIIyn No, we haven't; the Bonavita guys say that this coffee maker is best at the full capacity. We should try it out to see though :) - Kat

i love watching these vids i all ways wait untill new video comes

@machuq That's not really our jam; we do tastings of coffees that we carry, but we're not roasters nor do we import individual coffees, so coordinating that kind of video is a bit out of our story at present. We'll keep it in mind though if we ever delve into green beans! - Kat

Kat, I'm currently using nuovo simonelli appia. I have customer complaining our coffee taste bad. Currently the timing of my brewing machine took 25-27 secs to brew any coffee. And the mazzer grinder scale is number 3. Can you enlighten me on this issue? I suspect the timing is too long and might burnt the bean in the process. Side note: coffee bean we're using have crema during brewing.

We are returning our brand new Bonavita and replacing it with a Technivorm. It has nothing to do with the coffee (although I do think the Bonavite does not get the coffee hot enough), it is entirely due to the flawed design of the thermos carafe. It takes forever to fill your cup with the lid on. If you keep the lid off, it drools all over the counter and down the side of the carafe. The biggest issue is that about and eighth of a cup of coffee is left in the thermos and you can't pour it our without shaking the thermos. When cleaning it , I cannot get all of the rinse water out for the same reason. Coffee good! Thermos carafe bad!

Yup. The Bonavita carafe is GLASS on the inside and stainless steel on the outside. Love your videos folks! ...but I can't make a habit of watching them or I'd be eternally poor. You make me want to buy so much neat stuff!

@eXtinct512 Awwww - thank you!!! - Kat

You mentioned that you preheated the stainless carafe. Is it possible that that's why the Bonavita coffee tasted hotter (too much preheat)? And in general, coffee flavor changes a lot as a cup cools, and it's rarely optimal at the highest temp. In my experience, best taste happens in the cup 3 to 6 minutes in, with a pre-heated cup or a Bodum double walled glass. It would be great to re-run this test using the same container to receive the coffee, if there's any way to do that.

Hey Kat. doesn't that Bonavita have a glass lining inside the carafe? Im not 100% sure but I thought itd be important to point out that both makers would be dripping in to glass, even though one appears to be stainless.

i still dont know which to buy :(

How do these compare to a Bunn? It is about a $100. machine

Maybe you can poke around to see if any home coffee enthusiasts have done something like that? Obviously, we can't :) - Kat

I have read about the Bonita caraffe glass exploding so I am afraid to buy it. Leaning towards buying the Technivorm

Well, they have very different heating internals / elements, so it's not a foregone conclusion IMHO :) - Kat

I own both. I've had the Technivorm Moccamaster KBT for roughly 7 yrs, and this Bonavita for only a month. I should mention that I brew no less than 5 pots a day. In terms of taste....it's splitting hairs. I edge towards the Technivorm Moccamaster. The Technivorm has been a work horse & still going! BTW, I use reverse osmosis water(no mineral buildup)BUT here's my gripe with it; The brew basket...the flow control a little piece of metal does loose it's tension and fails. The damn plastic basket costs $25 to replace! On my 2nd replacement basket the metal piece popped out & is useless now-under 2yrs! The SS carafe does a great job at keeping coffee hot(unlike the Bonavita)BUT that too failed-top section(around plastic) separated (popped off) from the lower section of pot.That was a $80+ replacement. AND it's very difficult to clean. Altho, I've found a non-toxic way to clean it-"Ecover" auto dishwasher tablets or powder-let it soak for an hour & use a bottle brush. Anyway... It all comes down to $$. I wish Technivorm would change their baskets or lower their costs, or better yet-send a couple free replacements considering how much it costs! I am now retired and can't afford these pricey replacements. Which is the reason I now have the Bonavita at half the price(upfront). The Bonavita's SS carafe is cheap crap-it is NOT thermo. If that matters to you.And do to it's wide mouth it losses heat as it brews. If the Bonavita can handle the workload for 7yrs as the Technivorm has....It's a no brainer. If you can afford the Technivorm and need a workhorse.....do it.

Hey. Just seeing your post. I'm in Edmonton and just discovered the Encore. It sounds like you have a source to get one through here. Please share. Me want one too. thanks.

@SeattleCoffeeGear Well I've tried Melitta filter,Chemex,Euroshopper and Hario brown papers and no matter how much I rinse it and not matter how much coffe I brew I always taste the difference.

That's not our jam, though! We're not coffee tasters/cuppers -- we're regular folks that happen to drink (and love!) a lot of different styles of coffee. With these videos, we try to represent how subjective coffee truly is, and have fun with that. I know it doesn't speak to some coffee lovers out there, but we can't meet everyone's needs. Besides, there are tons of pro videos around equipment that definitely meet the needs of folks looking for that perspective. - Kat

i wish you could do blind tests also for coffee beans.Preferably fresh roasted cup of excellence coffees

I'm interested in either the Technivorm or Bonavita. Kat, which one do you think performs better for someone who usually only makes 2-3 cups of coffee versus the machine's maximum number of cups? Only occasionally do I make the full amount. Or…Is there a better choice for someone who regularly makes a smaller amount of coffee?

Why brown paper filter ?

Too much heat during the brewing cycle can probably explain why the Technivorm is the smoother tasting of the two. The right amount of heat is crucial; too much and the flavor is too bright, not enough and its bitter. Technivorm got it right without excessive gimmickry involved and that is probably one of the reasons they are so respected by coffee lovers. In all honesty they are still both good machines without too much mechanical excess that seem prevailant today. Nice test.

Their parts are pretty similar so hope that isn't the deciding factor for you :) - Kat

Yeah, we had to use what the coffee makers came with! We think that's a fair test as ... that's what you'll actually receive :D - Kat

This is a question about the Technivorm rather than the test itself. :) Would you recomend buying the technivorm with a glass caraff or with the tall stainless steel thermo caraff? I've heard the glass one keeps it's temp after brewing with a heating plate which tends to burn the coffee after a couple of minutes. So what is really the upside with the glass version?

Agreed! - Kat

Very good test. Have you tested the new Kitchen Aid single cup coffee maker?

@SeattleCoffeeGear The reason Bonavita keeps brews the Coffee hotter in my option is probably because it has a brew threw lid to preserve & trap heat, where the Technivorm has a big open hole during the brewing cycle which allows cool air to get in the carafe and make the Coffee loose it's heat. That's why I think Bonavita's Coffee is hotter.

We haven't heard about that! Scary - Kat

My Bonavita corroded on the inside and died a quiet but abrupt death as many others have noted on Amazon. Shame it wasnt engineered to last. Just bought a technivorm....I hope it lasts at least as long as my BV, I expected better build quality for the price considering it does the exact same thing. It feels cheap like a “Ninja” product and costs 3 times as much. If there is a premium coffee maker that is actually built well id love a suggestion👍

@alvarinho85 Better? Nah. Different? Yes, of course. - Kat

Cool! Let us know if you need any other assistance - Kat

@ClassicsCafe I will let her know :D - Kat

What coffee did you use for the experiment? I bought the bonavita. Its a nice machine but my coffee comes out more bitter than expected.

Now that's saying something! :) - Kat

First off, thank you for all the great videos, tonnes of information with extra friendly attitude; thumbs up :) As for this one, I think it's flawed: you should have served both coffees at the same temperature. Temperature obviously affects the taste and smell of the drink - both in terms of what happens to the molecules in the drink and how the temperature affects the mouth etc. What's more, the higher temperature gives away which cups came from the thermal jug, so that throws the whole idea of 'blind tasting' out the window ;) Might be worth a re-make maybe. Also if you could answer a QUESTION please: does either (or related models) have any brewing temperature controls? Any other practical considerations to take into account before buying? Thanks!

I'm surprised that the coffee is noticeably cooler on the Technivorm. Another KZfaq video chose both these machines among dozens that were rejected because each delivers the ideal temperature of water. They should both be very close in temperature.

@YoungJim409 If you brewed it up and brought in a thermos you would make some fast friends, I'm sure - Kat

So, GAIL OWNS A COFFE STORE??? RIGHT??? where is she from????

@SeattleCoffeeGear I got it. I did not know your real "jam" Thank you Kat :)

Maybe let Bonavita cool to same temp before testing. Temp affects taste a lot.

I can't stand the carafe on the Bonavita. Unless you take the extra step of screwing on the carafe topper, pouring coffee directly out if it inadvertently results in coffee spill. Never fails. The poor carafe design is a deal breaker for me. Additionally, has anyone else noticed that a good amount of water is lost to steam or who knows where and always end up with significantly less coffee amount than the amount of water used to make the coffee??

that test would have been better y you have gavethem a glass of water before the second cup of coffee

How do these compare with a coffee shop coffee?

It's hard to beat the Technivorm.

This video reminds me of Clover Field...

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bonavita is best buy but their price made a huge hike!.

@SeattleCoffeeGear But brown paper gives so bad taste and especially if you don't rinse it.

I like my coffee hot. I think it should be hot. Just not too hot to where you burn your tongue. I have made that cup of coffee before here at home when I had a coffee maker. I miss my coffee.

onz we dont use onz no more we use GRAGM :O "joke"

As soon as she said she puts half and half in her coffee I discounted her opinion.

Yes because im getting ready to throw this crap Mellita/Hamilton beach dripper in the trash!

The review does not help. At the end of the day, your shop is trying to sell both machines !

If you're looking to make just 1 cup of coffee at a time buy a pour over and some filters for $20 bucks sure it takes a few extra minutes, but the coffee tastes great and there's no plastic parts leeching into your coffee. I was almost suckered into buying the moccamaster, how dumb is it that you have this fancy $200 machine that you have to stand there and stir the whole time... it's the same as a pour over but costs $180 more for some stupid fucking reason

clicks the on button on the $15.99 Mr. Coffee and watches the wealthy people play with their expensive toys.