Blizzard Finally Did It! | Holy Pally is SO BACK!

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ZucoWoW

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Күн бұрын

These changes are insane!! Who's playing Holy Pally in the next expansion!?
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@capncharmz
@capncharmz Ай бұрын
This is a HUGE win. Removing button bloat. Removing Glimmer gameplay allows you to freely HS who you need to without worrying over not optimizing Glimmer. Also, it makes mana management less of a headache. One question: have you tried running with the consecration talents in the class tree? I thought with how much this build is throwing judgments, plus the holy tree talent that gives judgment a 30% chance to drop a consecration, PLUS the buffed consecration from Lightsmith... Seems like it could be good! Would be curious to hear your thoughts. Great videos, love the content! Thank you! As one fellow hopium hpal (and melee pref, at that), love your vids!
@attinger117
@attinger117 Ай бұрын
Big win with these changes. Glimmer gone is great for the spec, it was a tedious mechanic that spread the healing budget for the class too thin. Daybreak was the very definition of button bloat, glad that is gone too. More power into holy shock and word of glory is what the spec needs.
@jcmt8178
@jcmt8178 Ай бұрын
Pretty cool! Now Martyr should be also playable since it massively buffs Holy Shock, right?
@kantace5198
@kantace5198 Ай бұрын
I would even look at it the other way. With glimmer gone, you need to push HS baseline as much as you can, if you want to go shokadin. So it becomes mandatory
@wslucanm
@wslucanm Ай бұрын
Pressing less buttons is always a win imo. I think holy paladin right after the rework in 10.2 was it's best interation. Your heals and CDs should be impacful, especially when you have so much spike damage everywhere.
@richard_n
@richard_n Ай бұрын
I'm SOOOO happy with these changes. I was wanting to have Holy as my main healer for TWW, but it wasn't looking good before now.
@Windgrace
@Windgrace Ай бұрын
Same boat. I wanted to main holy paladin but it seemed silly picking the worst ranked healer. These changes have me back on board.
@victoratehortua8478
@victoratehortua8478 Ай бұрын
I liked glimmer but it felt underwhelming tbh, like you said, doing a whole ramp just to group heal felt horrible
@apsodyeu3694
@apsodyeu3694 Ай бұрын
Alright , i guess its time to dust off that holy spec and begin to re learn holy
@CybreSmee
@CybreSmee Ай бұрын
I might give it another try. I love the idea of Holy Pally, I just felt the playstyle was clunky and frustrating.
@FunkyToe369
@FunkyToe369 Ай бұрын
The capstone is Sacred Weapon whereas the things you give others are called Holy Armament, so that buff is only the capstone
@bilbobaggins7095
@bilbobaggins7095 Ай бұрын
Did you speak to the comparison of the melee vs ranged? Or is there no option?
@TylerWalker-c7h
@TylerWalker-c7h Ай бұрын
Now if we can just get shield of the righteous to work with 2 handed weapons like it does with the legion weapon, so we can take advantage of sick 2h weapon mogs, Paladin will be perfect!
@ZucoWoW
@ZucoWoW Ай бұрын
Legion Artifact weapon appearances for Holy are 2-handers, you can get a bunch of them that way. :)
@TylerWalker-c7h
@TylerWalker-c7h Ай бұрын
Have those! I just dislike that our kit is restricted to 1h and shield when they have the animation and ability for using 2h weapons already implemented in the game. Feels bad.
@etiennegoujon5868
@etiennegoujon5868 Ай бұрын
Hey Zuco, nice vid AGAIN ! I don't like "save by the light" + "glistening radiance," and i'm not sure about "Unwavering spirit" + "Power of the silver hand", so my question is, did you test "Light of the Martyr" + "Bestow light" ? With all the buff already on HS, this additionnal buffs could be nice no ? Any thoughts on this ?
@ZucoWoW
@ZucoWoW Ай бұрын
It's pretty strong... Can be a bit risky in higher keys because of the self healing absorb, but its generally very strong now because of how good Holy Shock is now.
@angelabadzhiev9036
@angelabadzhiev9036 Ай бұрын
Cant wait to play melee heal , and i didnt liked glimer (was slow ). If u ask me ,this is best holy pala.
@Vooz_WoW
@Vooz_WoW Ай бұрын
Is melee Hpal looking to be viable? I'm thinking about running it for pvp but I'm curious what you think. Imo, if it's good enough for m+ it should be fine for 8v8 rbgs 😊
@ZucoWoW
@ZucoWoW Ай бұрын
It's very viable in M+. Quite strong with Lightsmith
@Flocki13
@Flocki13 24 күн бұрын
and now remove mana from spenders
@ryszard7669
@ryszard7669 Ай бұрын
One question: what with AoE in raid? Now we only depend on Herald od the sun? On retail healers pumping stupid AoE numbers what with US if we need to hold more then 5 ppl. p.s. glimmer was added on BfA because of lack of AoE
@That_kind_of_orc
@That_kind_of_orc Ай бұрын
That "dwarf" looks so out of place in orgrimmar I just can't
@ZucoWoW
@ZucoWoW Ай бұрын
lol so true!!
@ded1020
@ded1020 Ай бұрын
@zucowow how come you never take Crusaders might? seems like it synergizes greatly with AC.
@ZucoWoW
@ZucoWoW Ай бұрын
It's a great question... I have tried it a few times and there was slight problem with it and AC.... During AC, you aren't really pressing Holy Shock. If you are it's a waste of potential healing you could have gotten out of a Crusader Strike or Judgement. Inside AC you only really have time to press a CS into SotR or WoG... Then back to CS and rinse/repeat. So you're losing about 50% of the value of this talent because reducing Holy shocks CD isn't valuable inside AC.. Now I hesitate here because outside of AC, this CDR on Holy Shock is probably insanely valuable. So I'll def look into it a bit more and get back to ya
@ded1020
@ded1020 Ай бұрын
@@ZucoWoW No Holy Shocks during AC? Even when you have triple HS from Rising Sunlight?
@ZucoWoW
@ZucoWoW Ай бұрын
@@ded1020 It's only double Holy Shock now, but yes, you certainly want to spend that juiced up HS from Rising Sunlight, but beyond that, no you just don't have enough GCD's available inside the AC window to not be pressing CS and Judgement. Any other healing button in that window produces less healing and therefore isn't really worth pressing.
@ded1020
@ded1020 Ай бұрын
@@ZucoWoW It's triple. its adding 2 more holy shocks to ur casts. 1 + 2 = 3 =D. further, if even then they aren't worth the global during AC, perhaps not taking the Rising Sunlight talent is warranted. Which then u could put the point into CM =D Ty for the replies. I look forward to your videos to find builds for the specs i play. Only reason i bring any of this up =) Edit: I just reread Rising Sunlight and you only get 1 triple holy shock during AC. It's still 2 for AW. weird.
@ZucoWoW
@ZucoWoW Ай бұрын
@@ded1020 You...... Are correct. My bad. My counter would be this... You def still need Rising Sunlight in general. AC is a 1 min cd, you need power outside of it (Divine Toll)... So it's still super good :)
@kantace5198
@kantace5198 Ай бұрын
Told you, Melee Wings and LS is the way 🙏🙏, super looking forward to tww
@kantace5198
@kantace5198 Ай бұрын
@ZucoWoW, what spender do you use mostly? Is Shield of Righteousness still valuable in higher m+, or did you go back to WoG. The former does not benefit specifically from AC, and the latter received buffs recently
@ZucoWoW
@ZucoWoW Ай бұрын
@@kantace5198 SotR actually works really well with AC... Shield cools down Crusader Strike, and we get 2 charges of CS with AC up... So your rotation gets quite simple inside AC... Crusader Strike/Judgement - SotR and repeat... That pumps healing to everyone and keeps cooling down CS. Using SotR also gives us stacks of Awakening which gets us back to another AC window. It's pretty crazy! In much higher keys, you can just use WoG's instead of SotR when you really need to heal ppl, but AC pumps a ton of healing on its own.
@ded1020
@ded1020 Ай бұрын
You think Divine Toll is still an auto pick at all times? I feel like glimmer spreading was a huge factor before.
@jkaupp8
@jkaupp8 Ай бұрын
You get 4 free holy shocks from it now
@eliotness107
@eliotness107 Ай бұрын
The only thing doing damage for holy pala is sacred weapon, judgement and hammer of wrath hits like dogturd so without some nunbers tuning the spec still wont be played in mythic+ sadly. Saved by the Light and its accompanied talent is extremely undertuned aswell and the shields do absolutely nothing. And my favorite talents golden path and judgement of light is also extremely undertuned. Because of numbers theres so many dead talents
@ZucoWoW
@ZucoWoW Ай бұрын
Holy Pally will absolutely be played in M+, it's damage is really solid, even outside of Lightsmith damage. I've done lots of M+ at this point and the damage and healing are incredible.
@eliotness107
@eliotness107 Ай бұрын
@@ZucoWoW then my paladin must be bugged on the beta because if i play herald of the sun i barely do 1/8th of a dps in overall damage. Thats hardly incredible if you ask me
@B_rett_B
@B_rett_B Ай бұрын
I HATED HATED HATED glimmer playstyle since they came out with in in... bfa? So this is such a welcome change in my eyes. Thank God we don't have to juggle glimmers anymore. That was such a stupid play style.
@lukegienger3116
@lukegienger3116 Ай бұрын
Second!
@timcopley1531
@timcopley1531 Ай бұрын
Nah I disagree, its worse. Glimmers were shite and won't be missed. But Daybreak will be missed. I loved that spell. If they really wanted to get rid of bloat they should get rid of Blessing of Summer, Tyr's Deliverance and Divine Toll. Replace them all with Daybreak and have Infusion of Light make Flash of Light free cast. That way you could line up Flash (which nobody uses outside of Arena) with Moment of Compassion and Beacon of Virtue. "Beacon Flash" would replace DT. Daybreak and Mele Wings then become your get out of jail free cards, both on 1-minute CDs. Then you can actually look up and enjoy the game instead of focusing on you bars the whole time. It also allows you to throw out those new weapon things and maximise your dps like on your other video.
@krucible9369
@krucible9369 Ай бұрын
Well I’m glad that you’re not the one making decisions because Divine Toll is amazing and such a satisfying ability to use
@strugl3snugle245
@strugl3snugle245 Ай бұрын
Wow. You should probably go play something else because you have fucking terrible ideas.
@timcopley1531
@timcopley1531 Ай бұрын
@@krucible9369 DT isn't anywhere close to being as good as Daybreak was with Rising Sunlight (before changes). How about this; put DT and DB on the same node and Devine Resonance and Rising Sunlight (as it was) on the same node and let us choose. I should clarify that Daybreak with Rising Sun is what I mean by missing Daybreak (because they went hand in hand - you press DB and get the RS procs). Daybreak on its own is naff and I would always run Blessed Focus to get more from the single target umph. But I want the ability to separate Rising Sunlight from DT and Wings.
@gohomehero
@gohomehero Ай бұрын
Boo daybreak booo
@dreamonion6558
@dreamonion6558 Ай бұрын
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