hell yeah

Amazing

I know exactly who you are talking about lol

My high school teacher was a Aero Union P3 tanker pilot.

What state were you in? My buddy was a sj and a state champ wrestling. We're from the wy Co area

Poor guy made a career out of getting underpaid and screwed by the government 😢

they don't need god's help bro

The problem is Devil runs the world. He is lier and murderer. This is the reason why liers and murderers feel good while righteous persons are persecuted. This is the reason why Hitler got the power, but Christ was executed as "blasphemer" and "rioter" by denunciation of clergy. That's why we've got the Gospel about the God's kingdom. Jehovah would put everything in order. The dead will be resurected and we'll meet our loved ones again! :-)

@@AlexejSvirid Thankfully nobody's gonna think you're smart enough to listen to if you can't even spell "liar." Shame god wasn't able to impart literacy to you, god's child.

@@jkhsdjkhfjkhh3we all do

@@AlexejSvirid Well, that explains the Oakland Athletics, then.

Dang it! Beat me to it!

Firefighter not close. Firetruck drive slow. Plane fly fast. Plane fly straight line. Fire spread fast. Need plane

It looks cooler

Thanks for reaching out to us. These are two separate cards, a red card is for personnel going to the fire and the USFS/OAS card for the aircraft delivering them. Hope that helps.

@@BLMNIFC Sorry; my phone decided to cut off the rest of my message, meaning to ask if both are required, which you answered. Thank you.

Govt gives them as little as possible. $$$$ needs to go to foreigners.

@@Skidderoperator oh right, the 'foreigners' 🙄

@@adamr149 Forget us, give tax $ to Fn STRANGERS!

@@Skidderoperator ok buddy 😅

Those are wagon paths.. you would have a hard time accessing those with equipment

You get on site much faster by jumping versus driving

@@N8outdoors You got me interested. What is a wagon path? First thought in my head is team of horses and a wagon.

It's about 10 miles NW of Redmesa on tribal land just outside Mesa Verde National Park. The closest significant dirt road looks to be about 4 miles, and all dual track high 4x4 after that. It's not that they can't get equipment out there, but with smoke jumpers it's a matter of minutes versus hours. Sometimes they can get down there and get it out while it's still very small. Sometimes not. Looks like it ultimately grew to at least 840 acres (more than a square mile).

In 2 or 3 hrs it takes to drive there that fire can grow into a huge fire

Jumping is the fastest way to to the fire... I have +15 years alaska wildland firefight.

Do you have an example?

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They gather up all their jump gear into a safe spot, and go to work on the fire with the handtools. After they're all done, the pack it up into a giant duffle bag looking backpack and hump it out to the nearest road for pickup. If they're jumping wilderness, that could be several miles over really rough terrain, and the packout weight can be over 100 lbs. It's the least glamorous part of the job. I applied once, couldn't make the training date, and it was probably a good decision.

Not exactly. The suits are for worse case Ontario. They jump into secure areas, if they f up the jump the suit is there to help them. If you watch they have a very clear landing zone. With boots on the ground. They aint jumping into 1950's wilderness like they did back then. They're jumping into people's arms mostly.. and if there's people there then they beat you to the fire. The whole point to smoke jumpers is to be first on the ground to help contain the fire... not being someone they can drive up to the location who can walk in. Especially with all the extra cost. So... smoke jumpers are suited up to land in trees with helmets and masks. Not be random guys falling out a plane and landing in a specific LZ. "Ya see the red smoke?, ya that's where you need to land cuz there's people there waiting for you" that makes 0 sense at all.

@@jlo7770That’s where the grub is😂

⁠@@jlo7770 I didn’t see any red smoke on the ground, nor did I see people on the ground waiting for the jumpers. All this video revealed was the jumpers that landed before the guy filming.

@@Elk300 lmao okay. But no.

@@jlo7770 “No”, as in “no you can’t see clearly”, please provide the time stamp of the section of video that shows the red smoke you speak of, or the folks that were already on the ground prior to the jumpers, maybe I missed it.

No. They don't jump with those dog crap chutes they make the Army use. They use ram air parachutes you can actually steer with so you don't land in the middle of a fire, on power lines, get impaled by tree branches, break bones on jagged rocks or uneven terrain, land directly in front of an enemy machine gun nest, etc. Everyone outside of the military doesn't use static line chutes because they understand how unnecessarily dangerous and difficult they are to use.

They carry tools to cut and clear a fire break to remove fuel in front of the fires path. When the fire burns its way to the fire break it goes out due to a lack of fuel.

Yes it would be easier and cheaper, but it would take significantly longer, allowing that fire to grow to be a much bigger size. Then the price of the containment would ultimately be more costly. These guys get in there quick to help prevent that fire from growing while the rest of the guys probably drive in on the road

Gotta make so many jumps to remain on jump status/jump pay I imagine

I wonder what they do tho, given all they have is a back pack. maybe dig a fire line

@@randomradon not actually true, i have my airfield red card, smokejumpers are a last case scenario because they take so long to prep and ready (you're talking flight plans, loading up, gearing up, etc.).

@@randomradon how much equipment (and water) can these guys bring? That is what I thought about. Like a fire extinguisher or two per person doesn't seem like it would do much to a forest fire.

Possibly because they're a specialized unit 6 hours away that know more about wind and how it effects wildfires than you.....

@@RockNRuen Now What would you know ABOUT ME and you seem to not understand the POST !!! Jumping FOR NO REASON is a inherent danger to you EVERY TIME YOU JUMP !!! When there is a CLEAR ABILITY to be fought from the GROUND it seems a WASTE OF MY TAX MONEY

All about timing.

Guessing the fire comes to them?

They jump to where the fire is burning towards so they have time to cut a fire break. They didn't land there to throw dirt on an already active square mile sized fire lol

Better a long walk than a short crawl.

Entry level 90k? Show me. 2024 the average was 42 to 59k. Some departments a Captain does not make 90k a year.

Oh you mean those engine guys, who show up to the party late, and walk around as slow as possible while the structure burns down, and only to get water going on the fire after it's way past too late. Lol

@@williams9071 Interesting comment. I retired after 30 years in the fire service with wildland, urban interface and structural experience. I never experienced what you described. Maybe it's me.

@mtnride4930 I wasn't talking about wildland firefighters. I was just thinking of all the videos I've seen of city guys showing up to residential structure fires, and watching them set up very very slowly while the houses fully engulf before they get water on them. There's countless videos out there. I got mad respect for wildland though.

@@williams9071 Yup I see them to, and they are frustrating to look at. The departments I worked for were hard driving. We were expected to be ready to go as soon as we stepped off the rig and when I promoted to Captain I taught my crews to operate the same way I was taught under stress and a stopwatch. Have a good day.

That was a dirt ATV trail bud, not a highway. Good luck getting a full size truck loaded with personnel and gear out there in time. The idea of flying to the site is to contain the fire while it's still relatively small.

you mean the yarnell fire? 1. Those werent smoke jumpers 2. they were a Hotshot crew 3. they werent government workers but city employees 4. Do you want that everything burns down??

You must be from the city. Some of these forest roads could take 5 hours to travel on. They’re not paved or regularly maintained. Many of them have fallen trees and large rocks in the middle of them. Flying in saves so much time and allows for firefighters to assess the situation better.

Good to know thanks buddy. Be safe out there

Let's hear you complain about them rushing to put out a fire when it's your house in the path of the wildfire.

It's America. They love to exaggerate and spend money.

Yes, but it is a forest fire that can get out of control fast, not a summer barbecue.

They’re like a quarter mile from it… would you like them to land in the fire?

Parchuting directly into a forest is a really bad idea. So is jumping straight into a fire. Obviously they need to land a decently safe distance from the fire. They are as close as the effectively can be.

I could see how someone who hasn't touched grass in a week might think they are too far away. But fortunately, these men are not soft little eggs like you. They don't mind hiking half a mile

Bureau of Land Management ya tool

Exactly! Black Lives Matter is everywhere nowadays. 🤙🏽

Triggered

Our term LMAO BLM was around way before it was a thing.