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Six Common Mistakes Made When Recapping Vintage Electronics

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Blueglow Electronics

Blueglow Electronics

Күн бұрын

Short little video on common mistakes seen when recapping (replacing capacitors) vintage electronics. This would include vintage stereos, radios, equipment, CBs, ham radio receivers & transmitters, calculators, computers, you name it.
Hopefully this will provide you some tips and hints to use when you go to recap your piece of vintage gear.
Topics include:
- Mistaking Factory Glue for Leaking Capacitors
- Factory Boards and Manuals Marked Wrong
- Capacitors Installed Incorrectly
- Using Larger Capacitors Than Specified
- Buying Electrolytic Capacitors off Ebay
- Replacing Everything at Once

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@Graham_Wideman
@Graham_Wideman 2 жыл бұрын
And the number 1 mistake... failing to pull out your cell phone and take a few pictures before you start pulling out capacitors.
@deepaknanda1113
@deepaknanda1113 Күн бұрын
😂😂😂
@fins59
@fins59 Жыл бұрын
As a retired electronics tech I can say that this is good advice. I've subscribed because your video is clear & succinct and not padded out to 30 mins like many others do.
@mikel2283
@mikel2283 Ай бұрын
here-here!
@anmeirdi
@anmeirdi 3 жыл бұрын
Two important issues when recapping with a higher value; 1. never do this with starting capacitors in motors, they need the exact right value. 2. Recapping with a much larger value in a power supply can cause damage to the bridge rectifier, because the current peak when staring up, is much higher then. An other important issue is the temperature which is mentioned on the capacitor. The switching power supplies before the 1990's often used capacitors, marked with 85°C. This was also one of the reasons of the caused problems. Always use 105°C capacitors for switching power supplies!
@Strike_Raid
@Strike_Raid Жыл бұрын
If you're recaping really old stuff (20's and 30's era), capacitors had a lot of internal conductance that was accounted for in the original circuit that new capacitors don't have. You may need to add a resistor in parallel to keep the circuit 'in tune', and guessing the size of that resistor is really just a guess.
@MarvinHartmann452
@MarvinHartmann452 10 ай бұрын
That's what I did when I reccaped my Victor RE-45. It works amazing. That's a very good advice for people who don't know.
@ianuragaggarwal
@ianuragaggarwal 8 ай бұрын
Interesting 😮
@Duracellmumus
@Duracellmumus 9 күн бұрын
Like add ESR to the cap. The wire wound resistor has some series inductance to.
@leroyusa935
@leroyusa935 2 жыл бұрын
What's nice about troubleshooting stereo equipment is that the channel that is in good working order can be a good reference for measurement comparisons. Hard to find problematic components can be detected this way. Just make sure that your reference input signals are exactly the same for the left and right channels. An oscilloscope can also be an excellent visual aid to compare for abnormalities in the defective channel.
@wmw8453
@wmw8453 Жыл бұрын
Not "Good Stuff". This is "GREAT STUFF". Informative, concise and pragmatic. Bravo Sir!
@mudspringer
@mudspringer 6 ай бұрын
"Trust what's on the board not what's in the manual..." Ha yes! I write code for a living. One of the first things they taught us was it maters what the computer does - not what the manual says. Great video thanks for posting it!!
@jpreza
@jpreza Жыл бұрын
Great advice!! I'm guilty of the shotgun approach because I wanted to listen to my vintage receiver right away. More than once, I spent more time trying to figure out where I went wrong with my DMM, hooking up my DBT, reading voltage/current values through everything and trying to read the blurry values from a scanned service manual, playing the AM/FM tuner, hooking up a turntable and using the phono/EQ board, etc. etc. You get the idea. Take your time. Do one section at a time, and then test your receiver. Another piece of advice is pay attention to the orientation of new transistors vs. old ones. Some older transistors tend to have EBC instead of a more modern ECB.
@davidlong1786
@davidlong1786 3 жыл бұрын
One thing I would add, having worked on computer monitors in the past ( 25 years ago) some brands had that hold down glue that would over time become unstable from heat and age and become conductive on the board. We had to scrape it all off and clean the board really well.
@Joetechlincolns
@Joetechlincolns 3 жыл бұрын
AKA, Sony Bond. It affects all kinds of electronics. If it starts to turn dark brown or darker, get it off the board.
@frankpitochelli6786
@frankpitochelli6786 3 жыл бұрын
That's a great point.!!, I too have seen glue become conductive and cause many problems in TV's.
@QoraxAudio
@QoraxAudio 3 жыл бұрын
lol yeah the white glue is okay most of the time, but that transparent stuff is nasty. Another fun one are those fancy looking motherboards with chipset coolers that have stickers/decals on them... those come loose over time because of heat and get trapped in the fans.
@RennieAsh
@RennieAsh 3 жыл бұрын
KRK monitors had some black stuff where the liquid would seep out and cause corrosion, the rest of the glue became brittle. Have to remove that and hopefully before components are so wrecked you can;t even see what they were
@j.lietka9406
@j.lietka9406 3 жыл бұрын
@@Joetechlincolns is that still common? Thanks
@em0_tion
@em0_tion 3 жыл бұрын
"Smooth, rounded, flow. Smooth, rounded, flow. Smooth, flowing, stuff." I meditated and achieved internal peace there, what a voice! :D
@johnrobinson560
@johnrobinson560 Жыл бұрын
Great video and full of info. Had VCR many years ago with Alzheimer's. Sometimes responded to controls sometimes not. After hours of troubleshooting and consultation with others in the biz, turned out it was an adhesive foam pad (several) on bottom of circuit board between it and metal bottom of machine. After removing pads found affected traces in different states of degradation . The adhesive had eaten into traces and was semi-conducting between them, thus the Alzheimer's symptoms. No clue until pads actually removed to see damage. Rock solid after repair. Do not underestimate any "material" on a board to cause trouble.
@alexispieltin9379
@alexispieltin9379 3 жыл бұрын
This video is excellent, your methodology is all common sense for anyone experienced in servicing electronics. However, when it comes to factory glue, even if you can still identify it correctly, you must remain cautious and always observe precautionary. Some of these glues have proven corrosive or decompose in corrosive material, so if you notice oxidized copper tracks, rotten component legs, you'll probably have to remove that goo, restore PCB and probably change all components touched, resistors and semiconductors. Leaky caps can also smell badly: most of leaky SMD electrolytic capacitors include a fish oil impregnating everything. And here is also an important point, most quality electrolytics can still work fine after years if used and stored in proper condition. You also need specific equipment to check and test if they really need some replacement: you should measure values and ESR, and for specific uses like high voltage ones, a specific leakage test has to be performed. Of course, with experience or proper documentation, you have a number of specific condensers you will systematically change in 100% of equipment, mostly because their replacement is critical and always cheaper than the component they protect, like high voltage decoupling caps in tube electronics. And when it comes to components locations or sense, wiring and so, it's also interesting to take a number or pictures and notes along markings. Rule number one is to take the necessary time to observe and analyse any further action.
@randycarter2001
@randycarter2001 2 жыл бұрын
That glue when it turns brown, instead of yellow, is actually CONDUCTIVE. Especially if it is near something that is starting to corrode. I've fixed many malfunctioning electronics just by chipping that glue off. When it turns brown it becomes brittle facilitating this.
@tableseven8133
@tableseven8133 Жыл бұрын
In the past I had resolved CPU problems as well due to the heat sink compound getting on the CPU pins or on the visible CPU circuit. Wiped off the compound on those pins or other contact points and the computer worked fine then..
@porkchop3656
@porkchop3656 Жыл бұрын
It next turns corrosive and eats the legs off components it’s in contact with.
@callishandy8133
@callishandy8133 Жыл бұрын
@@porkchop3656 Yes acid (or caustic soda or other)
@robertcunningham1542
@robertcunningham1542 3 жыл бұрын
Great video with lots of good points. I would caution about using a replacement electrolitic capacitors with with a voltage a lot higher then the original. Such as putting a 350 volt in place of a 25 volt because it won't stay properly formed with the lower working voltage. While it is not in the scope of this video, all that glue on those circuit boards, that some over time degrades and becomes caustic and conductive. As long as you are replacing the capacitors, you should remove the glue as well. Once again this is a great video, keep them coming when you can, stay safe and have a wonderful holidays.
@andygozzo72
@andygozzo72 3 жыл бұрын
yep, dont go too higher in voltage , and yes some types of glue definitely cause trouble, in some cases causes corrosion and track or wire damage
@wedoshotz6645
@wedoshotz6645 2 жыл бұрын
Tremendous waste of money too......if you could even squeeze it in.
@bill-2018
@bill-2018 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, I remember years ago reading that too high a voltage isn't good for use at much lower voltages.
@WolfgangMahringer
@WolfgangMahringer 2 жыл бұрын
Yep, and there is something else to consider too. E.g. with modern switching power supplies, ESR (=equivalent series resistance) is important. Higher voltage caps have higher ESR than lower voltage one with same capacity, which is a bad thing. So, going a little higher may be ok, but not much higher.
@hullinstruments
@hullinstruments 3 жыл бұрын
These are the types of videos that help me the most. That cover all types of electronics not just radios and such. I repair vintage and modern electronics, mostly test equipment and industrial electronics. A lot of motor drives, PLCs, and a lot of automation control equipment. I do see a lot of 1980s equipment that is still in service so I recap and repair a lot of stuff like that… And these are the videos that help me the most. Although I do enjoy radio repair, I don’t do it very often so these general subject videos that cover a broader range of electronics are extremely helpful!
@ltgood
@ltgood 3 жыл бұрын
I just learnt so much from this short clip. I just dismantled a 1970s JVC amp to repair. I’m so glad I haven’t started on removing parts.
@speed2998
@speed2998 3 жыл бұрын
A possible exception to your suggestion against "shotgun" recapping is when restoring very old equipment. 50 or 60 year old electrolytics are often shorted, or nearly so. Turning on the equipment with such caps in the power supply can cause serious damage. The same applies to interstage coupling caps in tube amplifiers. If those are electrically leaky, B+ will flow to the grid of the next stage and that is also damaging.
@MikeSweeneyMedia
@MikeSweeneyMedia 3 жыл бұрын
I shot gun the caps in my vintage repairs. These caps are 40+ years old and way past their lifetime expectancy. And for s**ts and grins, I 'll use my ESR which says "yep.. it's fine" and use my old Heathkit leakage checker. 80% of the "good" caps fail leakage tests. The exception to this rant seems to be the smaller electrolyics normally used in the radio RX boards for example. Most of those I replace with WIMA anyways.. I hate having to redo my work. And fixing a unit just to have a ancient cap fail a few laters is stupid. I also replace driver transistors for the same reason. You have no idea how abused they are so I just replace them since I already have the unit apart on the bench. Zeners go to for the same reason. Carbon resistors in amplifier boards get replaced because most of drifted a fair bit and will continue to drift as they age even more. And I should say, I don't "repair" my projects.. I "restore" or "rebuild" them.. just like a car. And lets be clear.. this is my opinion.. nothing more. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. My clients are happy with mine and how I do the work :)
@goodun2974
@goodun2974 3 жыл бұрын
@@MikeSweeneyMedia , Yeah, if you have to undo the dial string mechanism in order to pull up the RF, IF, and/ or MPX board (often those circuits are combined on one single long PC board), you want to be really certain that recapping is done with known good caps, and that you fix any problems or potential problems before you put the whole shebang back together.
@davidhitchen5369
@davidhitchen5369 2 жыл бұрын
I see your point. His advice is good if you are recapping something that works already.
@pattyeverett2826
@pattyeverett2826 2 жыл бұрын
Yes, better to replace the electrolytic and paper caps than destroying transformers and such that are made of "unobtainium" now. I do the same on old tube stuff.
@PunakiviAddikti
@PunakiviAddikti 2 жыл бұрын
Oh definitely, old caps can short out. So can small smd ceramic caps if they develop a micro fracture from mechanical stress.
@OzRetrocomp
@OzRetrocomp 3 жыл бұрын
Great video, with many good points raised. Re: not trusting board markings. There's at least one infamous example in the computer world: one revision of the Sinclair ZX Spectrum shows incorrect polarity markings for one of its capacitors, which has caught many people out over the years (resulting in many dead ZX Spectrums in the process). As for marking capacitors i.e. the "measure twice cut once" tip, taking clear high res photos of the board you're about to work on _prior_ to starting on it is also a very good idea IMHO.
@8068
@8068 3 жыл бұрын
From someone who has rebuilt vintage electronics this video is EXCELLENT. Every new electronics tech should see this video.
@toddzeillanski2054
@toddzeillanski2054 3 жыл бұрын
#BIGFACTS & #2Thumbs&BigToes^UP^
@jakobholm1847
@jakobholm1847 3 жыл бұрын
Nice video! I use to snap a bunch of pictures of the PCBA before I start working. Nice way to keep track of orientations, values, and such. It has saved me a few times with bad PCB polarity markings as you showed here.
@callishandy8133
@callishandy8133 Жыл бұрын
Thumps up Often I take pictures with my wirless phone. And every time I mark the capacitor (and the orientation from connectors). I use often diffenrent colours. I mark capacitors on top and at the PCB with a small dot.
@Zonfeair
@Zonfeair Жыл бұрын
I particularly liked the point that there are factory mistakes as I have found several over the years but did not know about mistakes in service manuals nor was I aware of silk screen mistakes on circuit boards. Thanks for the info.
@mrnapolean1
@mrnapolean1 10 ай бұрын
I order my caps from Mouser because 1. they typically have good prices, 2. they usually have what im looking for and in stock and 3. I order over the phone to do Will-Call because I live about 20 minutes from the warehouse and I can typically have my Caps the same day or next day and avoid the shipping charge altogether.
@pzftw
@pzftw 3 жыл бұрын
My expectations were low when I started this video, I was expecting "don't reverse the polarity of electrolytic capacitors" and "make sure the foil end of the capacitor is connected the ground side", neither of these points were covered, instead all the tips were fresh and thought provoking. Very enjoyable!
@xxmrrickxx
@xxmrrickxx Жыл бұрын
Nice video. Seeing gear with surface mount PCBs considered “vintage” makes me feel old.
@philhemenway3503
@philhemenway3503 3 жыл бұрын
When I derate caps on a recap job I usually derate on the next voltage up, no more. I always test new caps, you never know. I always test the caps coming out as a learning experience. Good video.
@philhemenway3503
@philhemenway3503 3 жыл бұрын
One more, I usually recap no more then four caps then do an operation check. Just in case you have back track.
@BeastlyKings
@BeastlyKings 3 жыл бұрын
@@philhemenway3503 not a bad idea, but depending on how hard it is to access the boards or get them back into circuit, that could really add up in time lost! One section at a time seems reasonable compromise
@CycloneCyd
@CycloneCyd 3 жыл бұрын
Great suggestion, but my Q is: how do you test capacitors?
@philhemenway3503
@philhemenway3503 3 жыл бұрын
@@CycloneCyd There are many cap meters avaiable or your DVM may have a cap measuring capability.
@fflynnful
@fflynnful 2 жыл бұрын
On an old R-R tape recorder that I recapped recently, the electrolytic caps had a stripe on the side to indicate polarity. Unfortunately, as I discovered after replacing many capacitors, the stripe on the old caps marks the (+) positive lead rather than the negative end as on newer capacitors. I had to remove, test and reinstall every cap I replaced, since powering up a cap with wrong polarity can damage it. So, watch out for that too!
@barnabywilde374
@barnabywilde374 2 жыл бұрын
Good point! I've seen this too on older Toa amps!
@PunakiviAddikti
@PunakiviAddikti 2 жыл бұрын
I once encountered an LED which had the flat marking on the positive lead. It should be on the negative lead. I was so confused.
@kendoty2463
@kendoty2463 Жыл бұрын
Diode: mismarked; ☺1 in thousands; thank God I cheched 'em all!
@andygozzo72
@andygozzo72 Жыл бұрын
@@PunakiviAddikti yep, i have some like that, you must never assume the polarity, double check
@chriskwakernaat2328
@chriskwakernaat2328 9 ай бұрын
wrongly polarized caps make nice fireworks , ask me how i know..
@NordicDan
@NordicDan Жыл бұрын
I thought I was pretty foolproof in identifying component glue, but in your example picture I would've been convinced that the upper right and lower left pics were leaked electrolite. I work in electronics and am working on getting into restoring (and in some cases modernizing) antique radios as a hobby, so videos like these have been good for picking up on stuff I wouldn't have realized right away with vintage stuff. Great video.
@chatrkat
@chatrkat 10 ай бұрын
Great tips, excellent video. Even guys that work on equipment regularly can get benefit from watching this. I learned something here thank you.
@roycox4002
@roycox4002 3 жыл бұрын
Your videos are fantastic! I have a professional lounge organ; a Wurlitzer 805, built around 1975. The voices haven't worked properly in years, and I have come to learn that the power supply and switching boards are the prime suspects. I thought I would have to replace the capacitors with the exact same parts, which I was trying to at least find a source for before I started disconnecting and testing. The search was unsuccessful! Your video gave me confidence that I can restore whatever caps these boards need by following the tips and procedures you showed. Thank you for loads of valuable information!
@mikel2283
@mikel2283 Ай бұрын
Awesome tips! #6 is priceless. Thanks for the QUICK, to-the-point and absolutely helpful video. NEW FAN!
@tubeDude48
@tubeDude48 3 жыл бұрын
At 00:55, The top-left CAPs have that rubbery glue to stop the component from vibration, (i.e.) subwoofer cabinet.
@MikinessAnalog
@MikinessAnalog 3 жыл бұрын
Remember the era when people used to mount their amplifier directly on the subwoofer box itself? LOL I made a lot of easy money repairing amps because the vibration had shaken loose anything heavy or tall. XD (the amps were usually mounted sideways)
@garthhowe297
@garthhowe297 3 жыл бұрын
Good video. Never thought about marking the tops of caps ... good idea!
@eloyex
@eloyex 3 жыл бұрын
neither do I .. very good one ...
@teijostahl4380
@teijostahl4380 3 жыл бұрын
Number tops of caps 1, 2,3.. etc, in order, now you know polarity and position after removing from circuit.
@JeffCounsil-rp4qv
@JeffCounsil-rp4qv 3 жыл бұрын
I take lots of photos too. Your cell phone camera can be a real friend here. ;-)
@CraigHollabaugh
@CraigHollabaugh 3 жыл бұрын
This video content is excellent. What you covered in 10 minutes took me 10 or more years to stumble across as a circuit designer. This video is a keeper and a "must see" video for anyone with a soldering iron. Thanks Mark.
@cosmicray007
@cosmicray007 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you for putting the time into this video and helping keep us all safe.
@docsradioden
@docsradioden 3 жыл бұрын
I am a retired electronics engineer and HAM radio operator. I worked in many different types of design disciplines . I also restore equipment. I am aware of all you presented and I love my subscription to your channel. I watched this one and am impressed how well you presented these common mistakes. I have friends that shotgun and who mistake the wave-flow or retention glue for leaking capacitors. In tube circuits friends with guitar amps typically want to up the capacitance which has caused them many problems. I am trying to work with them and they say I'm a perfectionist or taking too technical of an approach. These same folks do not embrace ohms law and also try to check caps and other components in circuit with a Ohm meter in diode mode. Sheesh.... I'm trying to teach them, but I will pass your video along to them. Thank you so much ! I am currently designing my own Class A and AB1 amplifiers, All tube and Hybrids and you have helped me immensely as designing tube equipment is much different than servicing Them. Thanks Again !
@432b86ed
@432b86ed 3 жыл бұрын
Seems to me that you are out of their leagues, to put it mildly.
@Storm_.
@Storm_. 3 жыл бұрын
Never seen your videos before, this popped up, I do a lot of vintage re-capping & I learned some good lessons here, especially the shotgun approach info :)
@callbackdons
@callbackdons 3 жыл бұрын
Right? That tip alone was firmly worth the time for the vid. It's deceptively obvious now, but I can imagine falling into the trap otherwise!
@Rodderick45
@Rodderick45 3 жыл бұрын
Excellent video! Always good to hear from techs from the good old vacuum days when things were made in the good old USA and everyone was employed. Sylvania, Westinghouse, General Electric, Magnavox, Panasonic, Admiral and many more. In contrast to present day times, I treasure those days. Thanks for sharing.
@andrew_koala2974
@andrew_koala2974 3 жыл бұрын
They were interesting days, I worked for PHILIPS whilst studying for Electronics Engineering and Electro-Mechanical Engineering Degrees. Then Joining the Military in 1970, serving for 20 years. The manufacture of Electronic devices ceased, with production facilities closing, and operations being sent offshore. I am familiar with all the brands you mention. (Magnavox is a division of PHILIPS) I was repairing Magnavox Radios and TV at age 8 ... Being taught by my uncle (Moms brother) The same happened more recently with the Automotive manufacturing industry, and their component suppliers, Borg Warner for instance, all ending their manufacturing operations. In those early days, everything was Vacuum Tubes, then hybrid devices began appearing in the early 1970s. I still have a VTVM a high-quality Analog Multimeter, and other equipment that is 50 years old and older. Some of it is former Military equipment, I expect it will be dumped after I am dead. I claim that if the US President was half as smart as the President of China, he would subsidize shipping costs to overseas locations, as does China. This makes buying Chinese products very cost-effective. The US Government is taking its orders from the U.N. and it CREDITORS, the international Banking Cartel. instead of making the purchase and shipping of US made products viable, the US wasted trillions on supporting overseas Military bases where the locals do not want them. The Grand scheme of the International bankers is to make CHINA great, and exploit the people over the following 500 years as was done with America. as the population grew. - The US is now dead in the water and will sink whether the people like it or not. All that can be done is to pacify and brainwash the people with a load of BS to prevent a revolution and civil unrest, until such time that population control, tracking/surveillance is in full operation. What we are seeing now are dress rehearsals and system testing in the guise of COVID-19 Plandemic
@eebaker699
@eebaker699 3 жыл бұрын
@@andrew_koala2974 I agree with your comments on lower shipping fees from the US. I see many excellent US products new and second hand. However the shipping costs for customers in Australia can sometimes be quite a bit more than the goods themselves .. A real shame actually. I have one or two old pieces of test equipment made entirely in the US. They are very satisfying to use. Thanks for voicing some interesting thoughts.😁
@alan-sk7ky
@alan-sk7ky Жыл бұрын
Panasonic? was and is part of the Matsushita corporation of Japan. That said, it's been a trading name of Matsushita since forever.
@Sans_Solo_
@Sans_Solo_ Жыл бұрын
Just finished doing a complete recapp of an eBay purchased Philips 6731 tuner. I broke your last rule. I did the full recapp all at once. Plugged it in and NO SOUND! All the boards are easily removeable on this tuner with pins that plug into each board. After some troubleshooting I discovered a single pin/plug, that plugs into the RF board, had slipped down out of position (not making contact) So I applied some heat to the pin, in it's plastic housing, and slid it back into place. The unit now works absolutely fine. I think what happed is this unit uses 13 incandescent light bulbs inside (equivalent to 25 watts running inside the case!!! which I think caused the pin to slide out of position) I replaced all org. bulbs with LED. Fine sounding tuner!
@Rizzlino_Music
@Rizzlino_Music 4 ай бұрын
I am preparing to do some repairs on my Tascam M-30 and Teac Model 5 mixers. This is a great list of things to know and I'm grateful to learn these tips before I dive in.
@johnrehwinkel7241
@johnrehwinkel7241 3 жыл бұрын
Note: you don't want to go a lot higher in voltage with electrolytics, as you run the risk of them not "forming" properly. Note that the fake restuffed "bumblebee" capacitor may well be more reliable than a genuine one.
@denisconnolly5064
@denisconnolly5064 Жыл бұрын
Yes, in addition to that the higher the voltage rating the higher the ESR.
@g.fortin3228
@g.fortin3228 2 ай бұрын
Very good advice here ! especially the last segment... and the orientation marking. great stuff !
@srtamplification
@srtamplification 3 жыл бұрын
Great point about the boards and schematics being marked wrong!!!!
@sw6188
@sw6188 3 жыл бұрын
I see this a lot. Even units where the manufacturer has marked the board incorrectly, and fitted capacitors backwards because they followed the board markings!
@jettramel
@jettramel 3 жыл бұрын
Glad I caught this, recapping some old stuff, soon a 70's Pioneer, this is going to save me some head aches.
@sirsuse
@sirsuse 3 жыл бұрын
I've also experienced improper markings on Marantz gear. Very good advice for all techs. Thank you.
@Mikexception
@Mikexception 3 жыл бұрын
It is really valuable author' advice with markings. Simple and clear. Also not bad idea today is to make sharp photo of board (with flash) with parts and connections in original placement. And to study original schematic for tracing damages - this saves unnecessary replacements which do not help and degrade overall condition .
@NackDSP
@NackDSP 3 жыл бұрын
Most manufacturers of the electrolytic caps I have used recommend running them at 80% of the rated voltage to get the optimal life span. Read the data sheet on the electrolytic capacitor you are using as a replacement. Try to use exact replacements, otherwise you need to look at all the specs. ESR and surge and ripple current capability etc.
@seanobrien7169
@seanobrien7169 3 жыл бұрын
I did enjoy this one. I never considered the glue being mistaken for leaky caps. I can see myself making that mistake even though I was aware some are glued. The last piece of advice is by far the most important though. This has bit me more than once in many different fields.
@JeffCounsil-rp4qv
@JeffCounsil-rp4qv 3 жыл бұрын
Lots of people think the glue is electrolyte leakage... And yes, marking things helps, but I use photos, lots of photos from lots of angles. That has saved my ass many times. lol!
@allancopland1768
@allancopland1768 Жыл бұрын
I believe that 'glue' used to hold electrolytics and larger parts is normally known as 'staking adhesive' . It turns brown over time and is frequently mistaken for leaking electrolyte.
@cryptout
@cryptout 3 жыл бұрын
The tip on wrongly printed polarity was new to me, thanks for that 👍
@BeastlyKings
@BeastlyKings 3 жыл бұрын
Same! I just finished recapping a TS-530S, and I checked each ones polarity as I pulled it out, just in case the marking on the board was buried somehow. But I never thought it could be wrong! I'll be marking my caps orientation before pulling them from now on!
@boeing757pilot
@boeing757pilot 3 жыл бұрын
While I don't work in the industry, I do electronic repair for myself. Marking the orientation is a great idea. I have removed caps only to then question the orientation on the board. I now mark orientation on everything I remove (for the most part).
@fmphotooffice5513
@fmphotooffice5513 3 жыл бұрын
All good advice. A short version of the quality points, don't be cheap! Mouser, Digi-Key, even over the counter, if it's still an option for you, is better for jobs like these. How much is your time worth? How much is the gear to be repaired worth? How important is your success rate worth to your business? Spend $2 for one instead of the bag of 100 for $5 online. I worked at a place many decades ago that had a sign: If you don't have time to do it right, do you have time to do it again?
@Stelios.Posantzis
@Stelios.Posantzis 3 жыл бұрын
Great advice - particularly tip #2 i.e. not blindly trusting board markings and service manuals and tip #6 i.e. not replacing capacitors willy-nilly or all in one go. It's interesting you start with the problem of mistaking glue for capacitor leakage. However, old glue in some 80's-90's devices (particularly of Japanese origin but not exclusively) deteriorates and becomes corrosive with time and starts attacking the pcb and its tracks, damaging the pcb and causing problems. Going from left to right and from top to bottom in the screen, it looks like photos 3 and 4, with the brownish glue, are good candidates for investigating whether this is the case. If you suspect this glue is of that corrosive kind, you need to remove it scrupulously and clean the board afterwards with some appropriate solvent so there's no trace of the old glue left.
@kenstein
@kenstein 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! A few minor things though. One, take ESR into account - it can really matter. Two, voltage and capacitance can be interrelated and you won't know unless you read the datasheet for the part you are buying. For example many modern surface mount capacitors are rated capacitance at a fraction of their rated voltage, and actually have less capacitance at their full rated voltage, due to the physical properties of the high dielectric constant materials used today. So if you are changing from one chemistry or manufacturer to another in your replacement you really need to check the spec sheet for the new unit and ideally the old unit as well as the actual working voltage of the circuit. Three, your last rule of working in sections is a great point but I have one good counterexample. Tantalum capacitors. Their failure mode is particularly bad, rather than going open or losing capacitance like an aluminum electrolytic, they tend to short circuit. This has obvious serious effects on the rest of the circuit. I had one in a Tektronix oscilloscope power supply section short closed, explode, and splatter the entire power supply PCB around it with molten metal. Luckily it did not short any wiring on the board but it did fatally damage the bridge rectifier feeding it, which I only found out after the fact when it blew a fuse 20 seconds after I powered it back on after the recap. And 5 minutes after that, another tantalum capacitor failed in another area of the unit (a vertical amplifier board) which burned up a custom RFC I couldn't buy anywhere and had to rewind a replacement for myself. Ever since then, when I see one tantalum failure in a unit, I go in guns blazing and replace every single tantalum I can find. I may power the unit back up in stages and verify each board by itself if possible, but I'm not looking to troubleshoot three fires and 5 burned components after 2 capacitors shorted ever again.
@deang5622
@deang5622 Жыл бұрын
I don't understand your point about capacitance and voltage being inter related. Surely, you identify the working voltage for the capacitor that you want to replace, and then replace it with a capacitor of the same or higher working voltage *and* the same value of capacitance. Isn't that what you do? What are you saying, the capacitance of the original capacitor depends on the DC voltage across it?
@kenstein
@kenstein Жыл бұрын
@@deang5622 that's actually exactly what I'm saying! I myself only learned this a few years ago, which is a bit embarrassing as I'm an EE. An older more experienced EE told me this back in 2017 and it seemed wrong so I read up on it and what do you know, it's actually correct. I seem to recall it's only on more exotic ceramic dielectrics used in modern MLCCs and some of the more modern dry electrolytic varieties such as niobium oxide, but give me a few minutes and I'll see if I can find the papers I read on the subject.
@roetsj
@roetsj 3 жыл бұрын
Test the new ones before soldering them in,there might be a faulty one...
@eloyex
@eloyex 3 жыл бұрын
if you have the instrument, the right one, its an excellent idea ....
@roetsj
@roetsj 3 жыл бұрын
@@eloyex yes,a tester is always handy,not too expensive nowadays,made in China ofcourse
@mmpiforall5913
@mmpiforall5913 3 жыл бұрын
Measure for sure, also apply DC and 'form' the cap and check leakage and true capacitance after forming, of course discharge the cap before measuring again!
@jamesplotkin4674
@jamesplotkin4674 3 жыл бұрын
@@mmpiforall5913 If you're concerned that your new cap might be open, plug it into mains and see if it explodes. If so, it was good ;-)
@Mikexception
@Mikexception 3 жыл бұрын
In some sensitive points of circuitry - specially in tape recorders of gramophone preamps value is also important. It is good idea to check real capacitance of new stuff - I found that of new 10pcs valuated at 10 uF no one reached 10 uF, some still in 10% tolerance but some were as low as 7,5 uF. While original ones 25 years old were opposite - above 10uF That can make quite a difference. Special care should be put to replacement of capacitors in speaker crossovers - producer tolerance is 10% so replacement without measurement usually will change sounding of set. Any change may be falsely interpreted as proof that old one had bad condition. Original one should be measured and , (in my opinion, if we tend to care for original timbre) value followed with accuracy 0,5% . It may be hard to match and proper way is to use smart combination of smaller values. Which will will not look original - that is why I would think twice before replacing crossover capacitors just for "idea".
@recitalaudio3526
@recitalaudio3526 Жыл бұрын
Thanks to made this video , I usually recap 70’s amp & Receivers This can be great information for who want to recap in first time 👍👍
@chuckthebull
@chuckthebull 3 жыл бұрын
I have been working on vintage electronics for most my 60 years. and your video did make me think of a few things I had not considered. I often take a photo of boards to use as reference when recapping etc. Often a wire might break from moving things around and you are scratching your head where it came from.. And recently it came up that going too high in capacitance and voltage even in a power supply can be a mistake.. filter design depend also on resitance and inductance loads.. and even a supply is partly a filter.
@andidubya3840
@andidubya3840 3 жыл бұрын
Great tips, 100% agree. I'd add 'use some respect when soldering'. Easy to damage tracks on *certain* boards.
@andidubya3840
@andidubya3840 2 жыл бұрын
@Rosetta Stoned Yah only being doing this for 40 yrs. Share your wisdom please :)
@Harvestersz
@Harvestersz 3 жыл бұрын
Great video. Thank You. I heard all of this repeatedly from the person I learned from. For instance: He insisted that I remove all glue before seating any new cap. It was a real pain, but he was an excellent tech, and I was lucky to learn from his extensive knowledge. What I learned from him served me well during my career (20yrs before retiring). BTW, You can also smell leaky caps as you heat. :-)
@nicholasroos3627
@nicholasroos3627 3 жыл бұрын
mmmm that weird fishy smell :)
@jelle4659
@jelle4659 3 жыл бұрын
Very good video. I am not a big fan of replacing blindly all caps in a older device. If the caps are good, they should not been replaced at all. A closer inspection and measurement of caps, can save time and money...
@wtmayhew
@wtmayhew 9 ай бұрын
I recently replaced the electrolytic capacitors in a GE digital tuned clock radio from the late 1970s or early ‘80s which was too nice to throw out. Being on for 40 years 24x7 took its toll. The symptoms were erratic operation such as the alarm beep going off at random times and poor audio quality. As I pulled the capacitors, I checked them with an M Cubed Electonix impedance bridge and found about 1/4 of the capacitors had only about 1/3 their rated capacitance. Quite a few capacitors had also developed unreasonably high effective series resistance, as much as 30+ Ohms. After my order for capacitors of the same proper values and withstand voltages arrived from Digikey, it took a few hours to swap all the electrolytic capacitors. Since there were so many off value parts, I decided to replace all of the aluminum electrolytic capacitors so that I would not have to go back to replace more parts later. After a few hours of patient work, everything was good to go and the radio sounds great again. If you follow the advice in this video you’ll almost certainly have a good outcome with more life from your old equipment.
@lapisredux
@lapisredux 3 жыл бұрын
i'm glad i watched this before recapping any vintage electronics.
@glasslinger
@glasslinger 3 жыл бұрын
The mis marked circuit boards can get very interesting when power is applied! We blew up two brand new sets of capacitors before we caught on!
@MrSardine17
@MrSardine17 2 жыл бұрын
I might add that, when bodging in two 1000u in series because you want 500, dont assume that each capacitor will have half the voltage across it. Overrate the voltage or, possibly, add a couple of resistors to swamp leakage and so equalize the drops, (or you can order the correct component:)
@glenz1975
@glenz1975 3 жыл бұрын
That was my post you featured in relation to the Sansui 9090 power supply polarity markings in the video, pretty cool, Thanks! 😎👍
@Vim-Wolf
@Vim-Wolf Жыл бұрын
Thanks for the flag up on the potential issues with board markings and service manuals. I've come across it myself, so what I always do is photograph what I'm about to remove and always refer back to the photo when I'm replacing.
@stevewilson6193
@stevewilson6193 3 жыл бұрын
This is great advice. I definitely see these same issues when recapping. Thanks for putting this out there!
@davidnorton573
@davidnorton573 3 жыл бұрын
Have a little care when using higher voltages capacitors, the ESR will go up. In a lot of circuits it will not matter, but in switching circuits it can be an issue.
@chrisvinicombe9947
@chrisvinicombe9947 3 жыл бұрын
I would add check the size of replacment caps against what's in circuit before ordering. Just because they are new doesn't mean they are smaller. I learnt this the hard way.
@NeptuneAlpheccaChild
@NeptuneAlpheccaChild Жыл бұрын
loved the tip on not using the shotgun approach cuz that's the way i would have done my AV receiver... you may have saved me before i even got started !!!
@saddle1940
@saddle1940 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for the video. Lately, I've been seeing a lot of parts like resistors and wire links eaten away by the glue used to hold down large parts. Somehow the 'brown' looking glue goes conductive and acidic.
@peternewman958
@peternewman958 2 жыл бұрын
What you are seeing is very old SonyBond glue used to hold capacitors and ferrite’s and other components especially in items that are moved a lot for example CB radios are notorious for having this glue in a lot of the old brands, and it is still being used today. It’s best practice to remove the glue around capacitors and crystals and wires with ferrite beads on them etc. As you have noticed once it turns brown its really very corrosive and conductive. It appears to be Latex based from experience and there are chemicals available to soften it so it’s removable.
@michaelmcfeely6588
@michaelmcfeely6588 3 жыл бұрын
Seeing a capacitor inside another capacitor at 8:28 left me shaking my head. I should not be surprised by dishonesty.
@johnsweda2999
@johnsweda2999 3 жыл бұрын
Not really happened all the time to make a capacitor look vintage say. Yes if you're trying to disguise a capacitor for something else a more expensive quality that's not right
@martinfairweather700
@martinfairweather700 3 жыл бұрын
@@johnsweda2999 yes, quite common to replace old cap cover over new caps. It keeps the vintage collector happy.
@andygozzo72
@andygozzo72 3 жыл бұрын
i've done that a few times to keep appearance, alternative is to fit new cap under chassis but leave old one in place on top but completely disconnect
@sreekumarUSA
@sreekumarUSA 3 жыл бұрын
Have you seen a very small NiCad cell embedded inside a D cell? Surprise... surprise 😬😬 a Lithium Ion 18650 cell labeled as “ protected cell” and upon opening saw an empty shining disk? Opened drill replacement battery pack to see 2 old unconnected dummy cells.... so on and so forth! Life in China, is full of surprises!😆😆
@ovalwingnut
@ovalwingnut 2 жыл бұрын
Wonderful! Back 2 Basics will never go out of style. Thank you
@TheMirolab
@TheMirolab 3 жыл бұрын
Just the tip on marking the orientations on the tops was worth the whole video!... lots of great tips..... Thanks!
@KpxUrz5745
@KpxUrz5745 Жыл бұрын
Good information and much appreciated.
@biswajeetsingh4994
@biswajeetsingh4994 10 ай бұрын
Very informative video not only for newbies but for experienced ones too. Great guide. Love you man and thanks.
@matthewmathis62
@matthewmathis62 2 жыл бұрын
This is a really great video! Thank you. It comes from someone that has a lot of experience, and I appreciate you sharing your knowledge. Thank you!
@Sam-jd3sz
@Sam-jd3sz Жыл бұрын
Wonderful message it will save time and patience. Thank you
@Greebstreebling
@Greebstreebling 10 ай бұрын
Some good points - thank you. I'm just about to replace the electrolytics and resistors in my Heathkit FM4U receiver which I made in 1969.
@robertkeefer1552
@robertkeefer1552 3 жыл бұрын
Great point about fake parts from Ebay. Like you said get them from trusted and reliable sources.
@eloyex
@eloyex 3 жыл бұрын
I dont trust even trusty sources. and I love ebay !!! About this is, i use a recognized store ......
@hycarl.1623
@hycarl.1623 Жыл бұрын
thanks for the insight of your experience, no wonder i followed through my amplifier’s service manual , even looking at the board themselves, and just to fry out poping my capacitors eventhough i believed i had done everything correctly. As much as i love my amplifier, taken extra care and steps , sometimes things happens.
@andrewkoastephens4090
@andrewkoastephens4090 11 ай бұрын
That was the kind of basic stuff I like to think I am way above. Until I realise I’m not. Thanks for the tips! You got a new subscriber
@frankpitochelli6786
@frankpitochelli6786 3 жыл бұрын
I as well have been in the TV service business for over 38 yrs, I agree COMPLETELY with everything you've said. Very good video. AND, all electrolytics are NOT the same, some are brand new with horrible ESR..!!
@andygozzo72
@andygozzo72 3 жыл бұрын
many modern capacitors are crap
@Turco949
@Turco949 16 күн бұрын
I very much enjoyed, learned from and appreciated this video!
@mistermac56
@mistermac56 10 ай бұрын
Back in 2000, I bought a factory refurbished Pioneer Elite 5.1 surround receiver. I noticed on the back of the receiver, there was a white dot sticker next to where the AC line cord came out of the receiver. I looked it up on the internet and what the white dot sticker was there was a recall of the model receiver I purchased because the power supply capacitors were installed backward during manufacturing. The white dot sticker indicates that this issue was resolved during the factory refurbishment process. I just performed a capacitor replacement on the receiver, and also checking resistors and bias and DC offset. I replaced capacitors and some resistors that had some evidence of thermal stress. I replaced them methodically using the non-shotgun method. And yes, the marking on the PC board for the power supply capacitors had a sticker covering the incorrect polarity and had the correct marking printed on the sticker.
@JohnnyRock
@JohnnyRock 9 ай бұрын
Good video, through experience I learned all of these lessons the hard way but am better off for it. Take photos of everything as you work, has saved my ass!!
@pabloluchi3595
@pabloluchi3595 2 жыл бұрын
I really appreciate this video with the explanations and advices. I think every electronic technician should keep this in mind always to proceed any repair. I wrote all in my notebook! Thank you! Best Regards!
@viperocco
@viperocco 6 ай бұрын
Well I'm guilty of number 1. Great tips. Thank you
@cosmocramer1004
@cosmocramer1004 Жыл бұрын
I think your video is great and useful because a lot of electronic related video on the internet does and suggest very bad advice that create more confusion than clarification.
@pumpdumpster
@pumpdumpster 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the advice. As a diy electronics wizard :-), this info makes diy easier.
@Soulfood68
@Soulfood68 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks you so much, You gave answers to a lot of questions I "had" before I watched this. I feel much more comfortable recapping my old Luxkit A3000 and A3032 after I watched this.
@pallskrewee3091
@pallskrewee3091 3 жыл бұрын
Well,... you can teach an old dog new tricks. I just learned something new today. Excellent informative video!! Thank you.
@jackman00110101
@jackman00110101 Жыл бұрын
Learning this for vintage studio equipment. THANKS
@mohammednusrathmehdi2505
@mohammednusrathmehdi2505 2 жыл бұрын
Well done sir going to recap sansui au607d all points are very important before this video IAM fearing a lot now I got 70% confidence thanks for this Allah bless you
@leroyhamilton6333
@leroyhamilton6333 3 жыл бұрын
Well I never you can teach old dogs but you learn something different every day and time thanks
@PoulLarsenmusic
@PoulLarsenmusic 2 жыл бұрын
Is this your first time thinking about replacing components in your speakers? Then this is a great video.
@Stelios.Posantzis
@Stelios.Posantzis Жыл бұрын
Good advice. The only thins I would add are: a) the glue used to hold down capacitors in older equipment can sometimes be of a corrosive, very insidious type and needs to be thoroughly and meticulously removed to prevent damage to the circuit board b) at 8:05, I would not just say "beware of capacitors sold by sellers abroad" (whatever your country may be) I would just say "beware of capacitors of unknown provenance, sold by anyone without an impeccable reputation" as it may be the case that a seller may have bought capacitors from another seller and is just re-selling them without having ever tested them or checked where they actually came from--there's simply no guarantee of what you'll be getting then.
@stevenm3141
@stevenm3141 2 жыл бұрын
Very good info from years of experience! The best kind. Thank you. You have brought to mind things I wouldn't have thought of until after.
@MrsG7swr
@MrsG7swr 3 жыл бұрын
Re alternate values on capacitors, i am working very slowly on a 1950s tube radio some of the tolerances on the electolytics were speced at -20 +80 percent, not temp but cap tolerance but in other sections the wound poly caps are much tighter even to 1percent so that part of the circuit matters.
@andygozzo72
@andygozzo72 3 жыл бұрын
mica caps are usually very low percent tolerance, standard wax paper types 20% or maybe even more, old 'poly' dielectric caps should still be ok, same as with ceramics
@MrsG7swr
@MrsG7swr 3 жыл бұрын
@@andygozzo72 i am sure this is pretty accurate and yes the 1% I think are mica. The issue is these are not brands made in the West az the radio was made in what was then Russian controlled Czechoslovakia. Do how well they hold up over time is not do well known.
@andygozzo72
@andygozzo72 3 жыл бұрын
@@MrsG7swr i have several 'east european' radios and apart from leaky waxy paper dielectric caps, the other components were perfectly ok (one has bad ht electrolytics, i havent got round to changing them yet)
@SirMo
@SirMo 5 ай бұрын
Good list. The only thing I would add is make sure you discharge high voltage capacitors before taking them out.
@williamogilvie6909
@williamogilvie6909 10 ай бұрын
Good advice. If the capacitor is not leaking and appears to be working in the circuit, don't replace it. This only applies to electronics that is 50 years old or newer. For really ancient radios, every component is suspect, with caoacitors at the top of the list.
@eloyex
@eloyex 3 жыл бұрын
i am an old timer here. Most of your advise are well known to me. Not because I am a smart dog, but an old one. Very good video anyway !! 2 things i would add is never buy electrolitics on ebay unless you are an EXPERT !!!!! i am a big fan of ebay ,love it but as you say, you can get a dry unit and capacitors are like pears, have to be fresh !!! I preffer digikey or newark on this case. If you are very good on this thing, maybe you can try ebay .... i dont trust neither ebay sellers, mostly !! very thin ice walking is to buy electrolitics on ebay .... Also, Do a section at a time its a very smart idea, sometime its just impossible though ... I would ADD , TANTALIUM capacitors get old and damaged too ....!! you should do a video on that .. 95% of the people think tantalum are not prone to damage . My experience is a 25V tantalum unit at 18V would fail after a decade .... Tantalums are sneaky, it is difficult to know if they are bad !!! it is labor intensive to detect them .. at least for me. Nice video ....
@no_bull
@no_bull Жыл бұрын
CORNELL DUBILIER capacitors are just amazing. Anything you want, they have. If they don't have? They will make it customised for your application. They are made in USA 🇺🇸 and are high end stuff, like Nichicon for example. I've been using them for ages. Extremely happy 😊
@jked7463
@jked7463 3 жыл бұрын
Good info...as always. Been needing to recap the power supply of my cassette deck. So very helpful.
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