BMPCC6K Pro BRAW Bitrate: Constant Quality vs. Constant Bitrate

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In this video, we go back and revisit an old topic about bitrate settings in BRAWbut with new info following the release of the Black magic camera update 7.3. We will also be taking a look at this in the new BMPCC6K Pro. So strap in and get ready for a bunch of numbers and helpful info headed your way!
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@shempvideos 11 ай бұрын

Q0 and Q1 is not usable in 6K and 50 fps with the Pocket 6K and 6K Pro because of dropped frames. No matter if you record to CFast or SSD. An NVME can do it, but the USB port can't handle the data rate. According to BMD support, 6K 50 fps in Q0 results in up to 900 MB/s!

@ez591 5 ай бұрын

So how do you do it? Is the only option the nvme ? What’s a nvme??

@ffa1bc 5 ай бұрын

@@ez591 an nvme is just a type of SSD (solid state disk). you can get one, buy an enclosure, like the ones from smallrig, mount it on top of the cam and connect it through usb-c. now that i read about it, it seems like it'd be a good solution for the camera (i own a pcc4k), but maybe someone knows better

@jesswhite7161 Ай бұрын

Thank you for explaining that so well. Very helpful.

@itaygreenberg7664 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! I'm new into filmmaking, just got the bmpcc6k pro, and now I understand this topic perfectly. Ty!

@FrameVoyager 2 жыл бұрын

Sweet! Hope to see you around the channel!

@BNC593 3 жыл бұрын

Really well done. Thanks for your information and experiences with the 6K different bitrate options.

@FrameVoyager 3 жыл бұрын

Appreciate it!

@givebackdocumentaryproduct5981 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks so much . I did not understand the difference of these setting and truly appreciate you very well thought out and explained video.

@FrameVoyager 3 жыл бұрын

Sweet! Glad it was helpful for you. I love doing deep dives into small parts of cameras like this because it really is beneficial to understanding how they work and most people will gloss over this kind of stuff. Hope to see you around!

@derekjohnson4453 2 жыл бұрын

I was honestly expecting to leave this video more confused but I actually think I understand this stuff

@FrameVoyager 2 жыл бұрын

Glad that was the case! When it all starts clicking this is such a great camera

@alemachado_filmmaker 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your explanation. helped me a lot.

@jasonofassynt Ай бұрын

Great explanation, thank you.

@rene.rodriguez Жыл бұрын

Excellent video. Thank you!

@Alexrocks1253 Жыл бұрын

I think it was originally Q0 and Q5 but then they added some in between. I used to have the BMPCC4K and it came with the initial BRaw update.

@Nelsontron1 2 жыл бұрын

I owe the BKM 6K PRO for over ten months. I have learned a lot from watching your videos. Thank you so much. PEACE!

@FrameVoyager 2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate it! Always glad to here these videos I've put together are helpful for users! Hope to see you around the channel!

@NickBB 2 жыл бұрын

Cool breakdown on the formats, thanks !

@FrameVoyager 2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate it!

@Ande_Lemenged 2 жыл бұрын

My goodness you are different bro!...this tut is so helpful! keep blessed!

@FrameVoyager 2 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that!

@BeaumontsBrainsOut 2 жыл бұрын

Very good information here. Thanks man!

@FrameVoyager 2 жыл бұрын

No problem!

@osea142 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks again dude, great content as always.

@FrameVoyager 3 жыл бұрын

Appreciate it!

@cyberlightningmedia9899 Жыл бұрын

Great video man 🤘🏻

@tailgatingfortigers5665 Жыл бұрын

Excellent video, most straight forward I’ve seen. From this I gathered that a hard drive speed for editing that processes at 400MB/s should work, as that would allow to purchase lot larger drives than the faster SSD that get higher transfer rates of course? Just curious as to what hard drives you use? Thanks!

@kbfilmz8115 3 жыл бұрын

You’re the man great explanation bro!

@FrameVoyager 3 жыл бұрын

I appreciate that!

@adeadolfo 2 жыл бұрын

Very clear explanation!! Thanks

@FrameVoyager 2 жыл бұрын

No problem! thanks for watching!

@freddymiguelponce Жыл бұрын

Brilliant! As always

@steven_porter Жыл бұрын

I run a studio with lots of Blackmagic cameras, and totally agree. We do 8:1 on the Ursa Mini Pro 4.6K (mostly products and off-site location work) and 12:1 for Pocket 6K's and Studio Camera 4K Pro's (some location work with the Pockets, and podcasts with the studio cameras). Even in more complicated shots I have yet to notice any quality issues at these compression ratios. It's interesting to hear your thoughts, and funny that we ended up with pretty much the same conclusion!

@nicholasolivas317 7 ай бұрын

Why 12:1 on the pocket? And not 8:1 like the Ursa? What kind of frame/ resolution did use on the 8:1? What were file sizes?

@quietlyworking 2 жыл бұрын

Very helpful 😁 thank you!

@FrameVoyager 2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@TatyanaValdaBelindaHill 2 жыл бұрын

This is very helpful. Thanks! 😇

@FrameVoyager 2 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

@intrinsiccinema7374 Жыл бұрын

thank you. I needed to know what gives me the highest codec. I sub

@EXPLOREMOREFILMS Жыл бұрын

Great explanation. What underwater housing are you using?

@WebSodre 2 жыл бұрын

Again, such a class! Thank you so much. Can you show your underwater jobs one day? :) Regards from Brazil!

@FrameVoyager 2 жыл бұрын

appreciate it! And sure! Actually planning on doing some more scuba diving video this summer if I get a chance!

@AntoineValleeStudio Жыл бұрын

Great video :p You explained this topic quite well in 10 minutes because I am pretty sure we could talk for hours haha :p Thanks

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

Appreciate it! And we really could because bitrate plays such a large role in image quality, more so than most realize

@ez591 5 ай бұрын

Thank you. So clear. So 5:1 or 8:1 would be okay shooting in 4k?

@jkenific 2 жыл бұрын

Great video! Coming from the Canon ecosystem into the BMPCC world, this video proves invaluable. Thanks so much!

@FrameVoyager 2 жыл бұрын

No problem at all! It's definitely a change but it can be a good one once you figure it all out! Feel free to join our discord where we have a community of people from all over the industry that help each other out. New and experienced! --> discord.gg/Suj6dxKb

@jkenific 2 жыл бұрын

@@FrameVoyager Will do! thanks so much.

@carloscast1 2 жыл бұрын

Great info.

@FrameVoyager 2 жыл бұрын

Appreciate it!

@8lec_R 3 жыл бұрын

Cool video. I honestly have nothing else to say. Just commenting for the algorithm. Cheers m8 ☺️

@FrameVoyager 3 жыл бұрын

😂 appreciate it!

@mrhobs 3 жыл бұрын

Ha, that's pretty much what I'm here to do. Great video!

@indiesurfer222 2 жыл бұрын

Likewise!!!

@fortyfivestreetproductions Жыл бұрын

danke für das video !

@tds3653 2 жыл бұрын

Hahaha 4:47 cracked me up! I feel you bud 😄

@FrameVoyager 2 жыл бұрын

oooof, I forgot about that haha. Might be time for a remake of this video haha

@ItsjustJp 2 жыл бұрын

Great video

@FrameVoyager 2 жыл бұрын

Glad you enjoyed it!

@dennis-gr 3 жыл бұрын

Hey John, Very glad I have found your KZfaq Channel as I am currently learning with my new pocket 6K pro. It's a perfect timing for your videos about the 6K pro but also about the functions and menus of the 4k, it helps a lot! Your videos are in an extraordinary quality and I hope your channel will receive the attention it deserves. Thank you for explaining the bitrate topic ;) which bitrate would you use for greenscreening and VFX? Should it always be the highest or is it possible to go down a little to safe some space? Greetings from Germany :)

@FrameVoyager 3 жыл бұрын

Sweet! Glad to have you as part of the Voyager community! I would say for vfx and green screen higher bitrate options would be best. You really want a as much detail as you can get for trackers, effects, etc. That's why a lot of people love the 12k Ursa for production vfx work because of the high level of detail they get. Especially when it come to masking edges and things like that, would be perfect for that! Of course, higher bitrate comes at higher processing and higher storage rates but depending on what you're doing it can make your life a lot easier!

@dennis-gr 3 жыл бұрын

@@FrameVoyager thank you very much! ;)

@MARZILLI 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks!

@FrameVoyager 3 жыл бұрын

No problem!

@dishabay 7 ай бұрын

Hello! Tell me, please, what settings do you set on the camera to shoot the sunrise or sunset? Thanks!

@alexander-van-aken 2 жыл бұрын

Awesome video! Glad I now get it! So does a t5 or t7 work with Q0? Or need to go with the bizar priced ssd’s or even cfcards?

@valesymoreira Жыл бұрын

Hello, I use T7 2TB and it works perfectly for everything.

@alexander-van-aken Жыл бұрын

@@valesymoreira yeah. In the meanwhile I got 6 of the 2tb t7’s. Work perfectly

@garyc7446 21 күн бұрын

Hi my question is more about color grading. Im going to use Davinci Resolve now since I purchased the BM pocket cinema 4k and want to color grade but the nodes just confuse me and wanted to know besides changing to 709 are there any plugins that remove all the steps you need to make your colors accurate?I will be doing experimental, movies, short films and current affairs. I have done some color grading with FCP but Davinci Resolve is defiantly a different animal.

@bohemianpictures2009 Жыл бұрын

This video has been extremely helpful. Thank you. Just wanted to check something......has the number of GB per minutes been calculated assuming one is shooting at 24fps? I presume yes, but just want to be sure. Many thanks!

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

Yep! And goes up as your fps goes up 😉

@user-jj7um6ch9p 3 жыл бұрын

thanks for all the information. I m planning to bcc 6k and i m still don't know which is the best setting for best quality video for music video

@FrameVoyager 3 жыл бұрын

No problem at all! And yeah, it really just comes down to testing it in different environments and see what works best for you. If there are a lot of fine details in the music video maybe go midrange with your bitrate settings? Still always encourage you to test it out and see what works best for you!

@dishabay 2 жыл бұрын

Cool!

@PanDownTiltLeft 3 жыл бұрын

Very nice! @ 02:55 what is that tripod? I am a big fan of lever release on lightweight travel tripods and that looks like a good example of one. Most have twist releases. No thanks :)

@FrameVoyager 3 жыл бұрын

Honestly just a real cheap Manfrotto tripod. Needed something to hike into the Narrows in Utah with that I wouldn't care if it got messed up and could hold my p4k. It was ok in how it works. I used this one in the video -- amzn.to/2RW9PUC But I prefer this one and adding a plate to it --> amzn.to/3gECjuo

@PanDownTiltLeft 3 жыл бұрын

@@FrameVoyager Thanks FV. I use my OG Pocket a lot with a very lightweight Slik still tripod and it works very well. It was very cheap as well but I have had it over 20 years and no issues. Was looking for a backup for it. That little 3.5 lb version looks just right :)

@chrislutts1993 2 жыл бұрын

I am curious what setting you think would be best for fireworks, assuming drive space is not a issue.. thanks for any insight and thank for the videos while I am learning this camera

@FrameVoyager 2 жыл бұрын

No problem! Honestly, as high as you can afford to go storage wise. But I'd definitely be using a constant quality option for fireworks.

@chrislutts1993 2 жыл бұрын

@@FrameVoyager Thank you will give it go this weekend.

@FrameVoyager 2 жыл бұрын

@@chrislutts1993 good luck!

@Youknowthebo 3 жыл бұрын

For my channel and my Premiere workflow I have been shooting in prores 422 hq. But I am considering switching to braw if the workflow is smooth in premiere. Which braw setting do you think is equivalent to the prores422 hq setting?

@FrameVoyager 3 жыл бұрын

At 4K DCI Apple ProRes 422 HQ is at - 117.88 MB/s. Since I'm pretty sure it doesn't go up to 6k, only BRAW does, It's kind of in-between 3:1 and 5:1 at 4k DCI. But just as far as bitrate goes that's what it's at. Quality and look of footage is completely different.

@insayno 2 жыл бұрын

Edit in resolve fam.

@sobadaham 3 жыл бұрын

Hey, great video..! I have a question. Does shooting in Constant Quality (let's say Q1) matter if I export the video in Davinci Resolve for youtube? (where I usually type in a bitrate of 40000kbps for 4K video)

@FrameVoyager 3 жыл бұрын

So, you'll always compress your videos down. It's just having them at a higher quality before they get compressed keeps them looking nice! I think 40MBs is pretty good for 4k. I usually am at like 68MBs for KZfaq but it's not necessary

@sobadaham 3 жыл бұрын

@@FrameVoyager Thanks. I'll try Q3 for my next shoot.

@insayno 2 жыл бұрын

Double your bitrate with the export. It does wonders.

@sobadaham 2 жыл бұрын

@@insayno 80000kbps in 4K for KZfaq right? 🙂

@zechenwei1139 2 жыл бұрын

So does the constant quality Q0 equal to the best possible image quality in all the scenarios? Thank you!

@reddjinn911 Жыл бұрын

Short answer: yes. More accurately though, if you were to leave your camera locked at CQ/Q0 there will definitely be times when you are shooting something that could have been handled just fine for much less resources. But if you have the available storage and the gig provides the freedom to card swap freely, why not set it and forget it? :)

@zechenwei1139 Жыл бұрын

@@reddjinn911 makes sense, thx! :P

@thehumancamcorder9326 Жыл бұрын

yeah, i think for 4k q3 works the best

@survivinginthedolomites8530 2 жыл бұрын

i don't get it the 3:1, does that have something in common with the crop of the video/screen?

@FrameVoyager 2 жыл бұрын

Good question! And no, it has to do with how much bitrate is being used when filming. So it's essentially compressing the raw bitrate 3:1. So each time you take a step back to like 5:1 your reducing the amount of bitrate per shot making you have smaller recorded files but with less info

@VilkanVisions 3 жыл бұрын

You did a mistake, there was Q0 and Q5 and they added Q1 and Q3.

@FrameVoyager 3 жыл бұрын

Oh, you're right 😂 I thought that sounded weird. Should have triple checked lol. I'll post a videon edit on that

@TimandLauren 2 жыл бұрын

hey voyager, former fx3 user here and wanting to get in the bm world would you recommend the bmpcc 6k pro over the bmpcc 6k for image quality?

@FrameVoyager 2 жыл бұрын

I think they're both about the same as I believe the sensors are the same from what I can tell. The 6K pro just has a couple extras for it like internal ND filters which is nice!

@TimandLauren 2 жыл бұрын

@@FrameVoyager thanks voyager! I heard the internal nd has some ir pollution, you ever notice that?

@MrTooFunny16 3 жыл бұрын

What would you recommend for VFX shots?

@FrameVoyager 3 жыл бұрын

I would recommend maybe higher bitrate settings for that? It just depends on what it is you're trying to do with your VFX shot. the higher the quality the easier the tracking might be if you're tracking objects and things like that. I would test it out first though and see if there sis any marketable difference for what you do personally. But if you're really getting up close with the footage with masking, roto-scoping, or doing fine details having that extra bit of clarity will help you out

@sifren2491 3 жыл бұрын

You used bit and byte interchangeably at a few places in your video, they're quite different as I'm sure you're aware, but it could definitely confuse beginners.

@FrameVoyager 3 жыл бұрын

Ah, you know you're right. I always do that 😂 I'll make a note in the comments. Thanks for mentioning that.

@sifren2491 3 жыл бұрын

@@FrameVoyager No problem, thanks for the informative video with the data rate breakdowns.

@FrameVoyager 3 жыл бұрын

No problem! Gotta stop saying byte though 😂

@JeffMcIntosh 3 жыл бұрын

Do you find that there is a playback and scrubbing lag when a file is CQ?

@FrameVoyager 3 жыл бұрын

Only at like at higher settings. The T5 cards seem to be iffy on handling it so it just be a cabling issue and hard drive speed issue. Might do a video here soon testing out different recommended hard drives to see which are reliable

@LuigiHilaire 3 жыл бұрын

Can you help us find a good computer or laptop to run Davinci resolve? Thx in advance

@FrameVoyager 3 жыл бұрын

What's your budget?

@jordanpryce8964 2 жыл бұрын

Does bitrate have an effect on highlight recovery in BRaw? Also, it might be a little nitpicky but you breathe air in your cylinder, not oxygen. ;)

@FrameVoyager 2 жыл бұрын

Haha you're right about the air thing 😂 I keep saying that for some reason even though I know it's like 20% oxygen in the cylinder. I would say bitrate can help in that area for sure. Maybe not like a major major help in recovery, but with more information sometimes it definitely contribute. Still, not much you can do when the sensor is peaking by a lot.

@24thclassiccinema Жыл бұрын

Hi, just want to know 16gb Mac Mini M1 is it comfortable editing with Bmpcc 6k pro ? plz confirm me.

@memes.power.respect. Жыл бұрын

Barely.

@24thclassiccinema Жыл бұрын

@@memes.power.respect. Means ??

@insayno 2 жыл бұрын

Is the Q3 and Q1 update also available for the Ursa G2?

@FrameVoyager 2 жыл бұрын

I don't think so. Unfortunately BMD has not updated the software in a while

@mtndudefilms8417 Жыл бұрын

Does the bit rate affect the rolling shutter performance?

@GameUnkasa 11 ай бұрын

No, rolling shutter has to do with the sensor... If something is moving too fast for the sensor to capture it.

@dantediego 2 жыл бұрын

what constant bitrate do you use for your KZfaq videos?

@FrameVoyager 2 жыл бұрын

12:1 to one typically. Helps me with space! haha

@dantediego 2 жыл бұрын

@@FrameVoyager thanks!

@epambos 8 ай бұрын

Helpful video overall, but the discussion on Bitrate is oversimplified and still unclear.

@DiCapitanLTD Жыл бұрын

Me waiting for a .mp4 option on my blackmagick 6k gen 2 ☠️☠️☠️☠️ hahahahaha

@ozzozz3529 Жыл бұрын

so, u mean there is no media to 6k raw, we can record whole day?????????

@shotsi673 Жыл бұрын

The question then becomes why would you need a 6k camera if your video ends up on KZfaq?

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

If you ever want to punch in or downscale the 6k footage it has it's uses. You have some creative ways you can utilize the extra pixels

@sobadosgames4541 3 жыл бұрын

If i shot a music video ? Whats your opion on the bitrate should be ?

@FrameVoyager 3 жыл бұрын

Honestly it would depend on each shot. But since it's heavy movement maybe a like 8:1 for normal shots and anything with complex movements or particles jack it up. Honestly just comes down to each particular shot, hard to judge without knowing more than that.

@darkcarbonproductions8881 3 жыл бұрын

1st

@FrameVoyager 3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for being here 😉

@bonzology322 Жыл бұрын

i like your vids, but do you not hear how much louder your music is than your voice? rms or normaling is what amateurs do, music is so compressed these days that normalizing and peak leveling is useless, it's not linear, look up fletcher munson effect, compression makes low levels louder, your voice is no match for compressed music when normalized or "level matched", always make your voice louder than music, between parts and with a music bed, hope this helps

@FrameVoyager Жыл бұрын

Yeah, this was from 2 years ago. Definitely had my music level to loud