BMW GS1200 Fatal Flaw & other recalls: mud sweat & fears on the big Beemer︱Cross Training Adventure

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crosstrainingenduro.com Beware of the 'fatal flaw' if you own a 2014 to 2017 BMW GS1200 and this issue hasn't been picked up.
0:44 The funnier side of riding BMWs
2:12 BMW Fatal Flaw & other recalls
3:30 Our GS1200 first impression
Any authorised BMW service should have fixed it already. This is not a BMW GS1200 review, we'll do one later. Welcome to Cross Training Adventure, we are into all things dual sport and adventure on the east coast of Australia on adventure bikes like the BMW GS1200... with occasional detours to places like Vietnam, Cambodia, Romania and Canada. Last year I did a video about the BMW GS1200 common problems. There is a growing belief that the quality has been steadily dropping since the year 2000. And this concern about BMW GS1200 known issues has been backed up by BMW GS1200 mechanics and many long-term owners. I looked back over my notes from last year about some BMW recalls and GS1200 known issues. This is one of our three channels, there's also a Cross Training Trials channel, and a Cross Training Enduro channel. All three are equally dodgy. And now we discuss the BMW Fatal Flaw. We are the 27th most watched dirt channel in Uzbekistan. Have there been a lot of BMW GS1200 recalls? We have won the polished turd award five years in a row for riding adventure bikes like the BMW GS1200. And we have a world record 25 class action lawsuits for inaccurate information, but none for the BMW Fatal Flaw. We think the whole motorbike scene is getting too commercial. BMW examined his BMW GS1200 fork problem. So called dual sport riding reviews are just glossy ads nowdays. Everyone is trying to sell you stuff you don't need, convince you to buy the latest model with anodized coffee cup holders for your trips to the coffee shop. And later? A BMW GS1200 review. Of course if you are cashed up and into bling, go for the adventure bikes like the BMW GS1200. All we are saying is there's also the budget option for adventure riding. And it won't hold you back. Why? We reckon it's 80% the rider and 20% the bike. I looked a bit deeper into the front fork issue. It has become known as the BMW Fatal Flaw just one of the BMW GS1200 common problems. So the Cross Training Adventure focus is just get out there and have fun on two wheels. Instead of obsessing over the latest blinged out Beemer, which tyres to fit or spending a fortune on your suspension or billet alloy gas cap. So most of our adventure riding vids will feature the much loved bush pig, the Suzuki DR650. And we've done a 10 part series on how to unleash the mighty beast that lurks within. What else? BMW GS1200 known issues... Cross Training Adventure actively avoids sponsorship. We like doing seriously critical reviews like the BMW GS1200 fork problem. They asked 150,000 GS1200 owners to return their motorbikes for a 'service'... it turned into a GS1200 recall. Manufacturers make some really bad mistakes. and there is a lot of dodgy crap being sold out there. Instead of glowing dual sport reviews for kickbacks or free product, we will try to keep the buggers honest. So subscribe. Or don't subscribe to our Cross Training Adventure riding channel. The main thing is get out and ride while you can with dual sport riding or Adventure riding in Australia, Canada, Vietnam, Romania and beyond! So check out Cross Training Adventure.
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@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

Please note that 'Fatal Flaw' is not my wording but used by those who have been injured. It's arguably a bit dramatic as no one has actually died as far as I know. Any authorised BMW service should check these recall issues. But it doesn't hurt to double check. Subscribe for weekly adventure & dual sport vids! English not your first language? Many subtitles... Safety & protective gear vids bit.ly/3BmKeGE Our dual sport & adv ride vids bit.ly/3HTdvvl Bike & product reviews bit.ly/3BrnVjq The more bizzare side! bit.ly/34ZschR The more philosophical side bit.ly/3v9nKYX Riding across Vietnam bit.ly/3pej9Rt DR650 project vids bit.ly/3gQEStP Check out our other channels too... Cross Training Enduro bit.ly/3Jncax4 Cross Training Trials bit.ly/3uUjwEm

@robpinter5431 2 жыл бұрын

I owned a R1100GS for 23 years and took it to some interesting off road places, riding with my mates where they would take their ADV bikes DR650, KLR, DRZ....don't underestimate a boxer motor GS, I now have a R80 GS built in 1980. and still take it off road...

@TheWanderingGeezer 2 жыл бұрын

I always flipped BMW riders a lot of shit then I bought a 2018 GSA. 30,000 miles with no issues and the most spectacular bike I've ever owned.

@jamessobredo7847 2 жыл бұрын

Mexico border to Canada and then San Francisco to East Coast ... the GS12 worked flawlessly. Not the best for off-road however, and, as the BMW instructor in one of our work shops said, "They are mostly a street bike than can do some off-road." I agree. I have done off-road on my GS12, but would rather take a lighter and dedicated off-road motorcycle. PS. Regardless, this video made me laugh so hard because it was so damn funny!!! Esp. the comment about the $7,000 BMW jackets "on sale." LOOL! Priceless! One last thing, when I finally arrived home in my ride across America, I posed in front of a Starbucks and posted it on social media with the caption: "Rode my GS across America just so I can get a Starbucks frappucinno!"

@SimonBrisbane 2 жыл бұрын

And herein lies the secret. Your motorcycling happiness is dependent on your expectations and your experiences. While we listen and see what others do and say, we live with what we think and feel. If you find it spectacular, then that’s mission accomplished. It’s absurd to expect a better outcome than that.

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

Hey James, glad you could have a laugh! I'm actually really happy when BMW owners love their bikes. But it's kind of an 'in' joke making fun of the GS. And the same for KTM on our enduro channel. 😂 I've actually enjoyed the short rides on my brother's GS1200 and hope to get a few more in!

@jamessobredo7847 2 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingadventure Thanks for the comment. I love my GS, and it has taken me reliably to far away places, but I also appreciate and laugh when people point out the flaws of these heavy bikes that somehow people do take off-road. I've taken my GS off-road but it is not my preferred bike! Good point about Brett Tkacs. Same with Big Rock Moto. I really enjoyed your video and could not stop laughing in agreement when you made the comment about the "$7,000" BMW jacket and gear and only "when it is on sale." Truly priceless! :)

@murrayclarke2171 2 жыл бұрын

I just rode my 2015 GSA on the gnarliest mountain trails of central otago NZ with zero issues. Performed like a beast but was of course heavy to handle (and pick up). Then rode all the way up to the top of the north island. Love it!! (Dry sand and wet river sand are extremely hard work, but everything else awesome!) First time to hear of the fork issue so will check in. Don’t be scared. You will love this bike.

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

Great to hear!

@jdm1200 2 жыл бұрын

I have one and a DR. Mine is a 2015, I bought used from some movie producer who bought it, farkled it out, took a trip on it and sold it to me. It is a GSA with everything and I got it at a steal. It has been absolutely flawless. Only problem, the wiring cover on the loom coming from the left hand control cover got brittle and flaked off in places. It is perfect for any road or gravel roads. Fire trails can be tricky, pick your line and commit. Single track? Now there is your adventure. Oh boy what a handful. But I have a Bush pig and a KTM for that frivolity.

@paulmcb9070 2 жыл бұрын

As a 2010 R1200GSA owner (no pesky fork issues) and having ridden my bike in many and varied conditions and on many and varied roads, your assessment is about right. While big, heavy and tall they can be coaxed along difficult off-road situations with relative ease and are pretty capable if their size and weight is taken into account. I'd suggest shorter, less experienced dirt riders need not apply or stick with smaller bikes, but I've bashed mine through almost of Mt Mee's main dirt roads without issue and ridden around in some more serious stuff between Canberra and the NSW mid-coast and back following blokes on KTM1150s and such. Confidence in the bike and your abilities is paramount - conditions as shown in this video would really be a doddle with a bit of momentum and trust that the big girl can do it. They are almost without par for quick, point-to-point sealed (Australian) back roads and dirt road touring, two-up and/or loaded to the gunwales. I've done a tour to Tassie, around Tassie and back to Brisvegas on mine with my partner and all of our stuff and it was a superb and entirely fuss-free experience - we found every back road and dirt road we could and had a ball, nothing broke, nothing stopped working, nothing fell off. If you rang me up and said let's do a forestry road loop from (for example) Mt Mee to Peachester to Sunday Ck road to Kenilworth and then back on the dirt to Kilcoy, I'd do it on the Beemer in a heartbeat. Although, it might be prudent to wait for the Peachester section to dry out - that red mud is not traversable on any bike...

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

Good assessment, Paul. Very good riders can do amazing things on the 1000cc+ adv bikes.

@JimmyStewpot 2 жыл бұрын

I've owned a 2007 GSA 1200 since new and have done 250k km without a rebuild although it's due for one now. Agree in tough off-road it's horrid. It's great on gravel, dirt roads. Terrible in soft sand, slippery mud or clay or really rocky. That doesn't mean I don't do that, but it's not an enduro bike, it's a road tourer with can do offroad.

@The3osforos 2 жыл бұрын

I have the same exact bike with 145k km. It is a dream of a bike. Minimal problems.

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

Great to hear it's working out for you, Jimmy. If you buy one for the right reasons they can be superb bikes.

@The3osforos Жыл бұрын

Mine has 148k . Love it!

@graemesydney38 2 жыл бұрын

I have never owner a Beemer but my brother has owned several. They all had issues, and when BMW was approached the answer was always the same; "Really? that's never happened before". Of course when Tony jumped on the forums he would find out it was common and happening around the world. BMW customer service is virtually nil, and for this reason alone I wouldn't touch one, new or used, with a barge pole. Its no as though there are not good alternatives.

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

Possibly the customer service was better years ago, Graeme. But I have heard many BMW owners say the quality has dropped (in some respects) and the customer service too... since about 2000.

@joem5639 Ай бұрын

I’ve owned a 2017 GS 1200 and absolutely loved it. Sold last year mainly because I needed the funds. Main negatives were that it’s big and heavy & annual services costs. Also owned a 2012 Vstrom 650 and found it to be a very nice bike with adequate power. Had to add a fork brace to it because it felt wonky at highway speeds. Has a tendency to get blown around. Chain noise was gawd awful too. Sold 7 yrs later for the BMW. Think I will go for the Moto Guzzi V85tt next.

@ozoutdorz2584 2 жыл бұрын

I had a 2016 R1200GS and loved it. Best bike I've ever had .... on road. Then sold it and bought the DR650 and spent $5,000 on it ti make it a great dual sport..then I loved it.

@ljprep6250 2 жыл бұрын

HOW could you have spent $5k on it? All =BILLET= parts, with glittercoat cables?

@ozoutdorz2584 2 жыл бұрын

@@ljprep6250 suspension $1;400 exhaust $950 sargent seat $550 tyres $300 handlebars $150 Pro Cycle footpegs $300 carby kit $100 LED Indicators $100 rear rack $200 double take mirrors $250 Braided stainless brake lines $150. So that's about $4k that I can think of quickly.. can't remember the rest.. Adds up quickly eh

@jimperry4420 2 жыл бұрын

My buddy let me ride his and I was not impressed. I had a Klr at the time and the BMW seemed even more agricultural if you can believe that, I sold the Klr and bought a Drz400. Never been happier.

@bazza8947 2 жыл бұрын

lol KLR....enough said. You have a milk crate too?

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

Can you put milk crates on BMW? I'm sure they'd have some with the BMW logo for under $3000?

@bazza8947 2 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingadventure Only on the Rallye Boganvarian edition, it's very exclusive!

@edwardmedeiros5464 2 жыл бұрын

Compare a KLR to a R1200GS is ridiculous. 2 very different sizes and types of motorcycles. And KLR is the most unremarkable motorcycle in the industry. It's not a great street motorcycle and certainly not great in the dirt. But is sufficient in both. I am a motorcycle technician retired and you need to compare your KLR to a 700 Yamaha tenere. Closer to the same class. And in that comparison. The KLR can't hold a candle to the superior machine. The R1200GS is a great motorcycle. Does exactly what it is designed for. And compared to a Enduro class motorcycle is absolutely ridiculous. But coming from a KLR owner point of view. If you were a capable rider. You wouldn't be riding a KLR in the 1st place. Terrible machine.

@jimperry4420 2 жыл бұрын

@@edwardmedeiros5464 Wasn’t directly comparing them. Just saying your beloved BMW is an agricultural machine. I should have compared it to a John Deere, my mistake.

@martinfisker7438 2 жыл бұрын

The fatal flaw has been confirmed to be riding style related. So far it has never happened at a star bucks

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

We are actually thinking of doing a video about riding to the nearest Starbucks.... 😂

@martinfisker7438 2 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingadventure step one must be to set the "home" destination on the build-in Garmin system

@garthlundquist3623 2 жыл бұрын

Back in the day ( 1970) the BMW was the best built, most reliable and longest lasting bike available for a long distance trip down the West Coast and into Mexico and beyond. My R 75/5 weighed about 415 lbs, had shaft drive, a 5th gear, and relatively long travel suspension. Reliability was superior to anything else available and the bike was simple to service with a few common hand tools. The low center of gravity afforded by the boxer engine made the BMW safer and easier to ride on dirt tracks. It was light enough to pick up or ride out of a ditch. Somehow BMW abandoned that formula and moved on to ever bigger, heavier, and more complicated bikes. Today’s big boxers are like the dinosaurs: an evolutionary dead end. They have become status symbols and have lost their core competencies. Remember, if you can’t pick it up by yourself then it is too big for solo travel.

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

They certainly made a name for themselves in the early days... their pre-2000 models are generally still seen as great examples.

@berryae74 2 жыл бұрын

These big recliners on wheels serve a purpose that can't be matched with a small single cylinder bike and vice versa.. If you be honest about what you're going to do with the bike then you will get the bike to fit that need. But if you get one of these and expect it to be awesome at single track or as easy to toss around off road like a motocross bike you're clearly delusional.. Love the videos !! Keep cranking out good content!

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers! We know there are plenty of very happy owners... but so many are getting into adv riding for the first time and are convinced they should start with the most expensive biggest bikes possible. And it seems the accident stats are reflecting the problems this can cause. 🤔

@cliveadams7629 Жыл бұрын

Yeah, they are not easy to pick up when you drop 'em.

@ljprep6250 2 жыл бұрын

Snapped forks? "Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he pulled the pin and dropped the pineapple on his GS.

@philipmarr7325 2 жыл бұрын

Before I was married and had a mortage, I had a brand new R1150GS. It was a great “all around” sport touring bike. A sport touring bike that could happily crush dirt roads. My only complaint was the weight. But honestly, I liked the bike. I used to do a lot of overnight trips back then and it was great. I did finally sell it and I got into more offroad oriented dualsporting and little/no highway riding

@northerniltree 6 ай бұрын

I've ridden my 2018 GSA about 10 years now, and have over 58,000 Km on it. The only issue I've ever had is that petrol seems to evaporate from the tank at a steady rate, especially under hard use and long trips. I have to constantly refill it. BMW won't even answer my repeated calls.

@crosstrainingadventure 6 ай бұрын

😂👍

@SimonBrisbane 2 жыл бұрын

“No it isn’t a Harley Davidson” 😄 The GSA is an impressive tourer but they are expensive and have no soul. They will also go well on mild dirt roads. Anything more serious off road will only be through more hard work, fear and stubbornness more so than pleasure. Still quite capable in the hands of the experts like Bret Tkacs but even he wouldn’t do aggressive off-road it. This should be no surprise as there is no unicorn. Did I mention it has no soul?

@bikewolf7455 2 жыл бұрын

yup i tested a 1250GS on the road once, was amazed how easy it handled for 10 minutes and then got bored because it has no character at all. how can you make a bike with a boxer engine so boring?

@The3osforos 2 жыл бұрын

You have no soul too. Just tissue and bones. God is dead. Have a nice day sir.

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

I've heard the 'no soul' comment quite a bit, Simon. And the opposite of course. Me? I can't really comment, the only big adv bikes I've ridden a little bit are this GS and a friend's KTM 950SE....

@DonHavjuan 2 жыл бұрын

The medium bikes are ruled by the DR650. The large bikes are ruled by the 1200GS-A. That's just how it is.

@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse 2 жыл бұрын

The UK market had a mass recall and all the relevent bikes with the same design flaw in the forks had them replaced for free.If memory serves it was something to do with the way the top collars of the forks were crimped on when it was redeisgned prior to the 1250 release.

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

That sounds right, Andi. I've really only done this vid because there's a small chance second or third owners aren't getting their bikes serviced by BMW so they make not have got any notification.

@Arachnoid_of_the_underverse 2 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingadventure @Cross Training Adventure There are many references owners can look up to see which forks are installed as the replacement designs are quite different. I was actually training at BMW Off Road School (UK) when the recall came out and they were one of the first to recieve repalcement forks for their 50+ bikes as their mechanic performed the changes himself.

@doc650adventures 2 жыл бұрын

Barry, I thought about getting a 1250 GSA Rally for a couple of minutes but decided to just keep my Mighty DR650. The difference between riding a fat girl and riding a 1250 GSA is the fat girl is easy to pick up! Cheers!

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

I can't agree more! It's always great when owners love their Beemers of course... but I think I'll always prefer bushpigs.

@jeanjacques9980 Жыл бұрын

I had a RT for 25 trouble free years from new, until a couple of weeks ago when I was relieved of the bike during the middle of the night. I’m very uncertain about replacing the bike, new bikes are full of computers that will never last 25 years and there is so much more to go wrong especially combined with the poor build quality since 2000- the Ewan and Charlie factor. I almost wish that KTM gave them the bikes they asked for in first place. Maybe I’ll keep an eye out for a low mileage R1100/1150 GS/RT, if there is such a possibility. Not sure I’ll be around in 25 years time to see if the new bike computers stood the test of time.

@yorkchris10 2 жыл бұрын

I think BMW changed to a larger diameter Telelever fork in second generation Oilhead more for asthetics as a lot of USD forks had large diameter. I guess it was early Waterheads that had the crimp issue on the fork. Thanks for the recall.

@ragnarrock8747 2 жыл бұрын

Not the best off road bike but for sport touring on long trips this bike is one of the best.. Handling, comfort and power is simply fantastic..

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

I've only had a few short rides but it really is magic on the open roads...

@EthanAdey 2 жыл бұрын

I’m still getting a 1250 Triple Black.

@pdx1jmh Жыл бұрын

Have a 2009 r1200gs and it has had the fuel gauge go out 4 times. Anyone else have this issue.? Is there a permanent fix for this? Help is appreciated!

@bazza8947 2 жыл бұрын

I've noticed a pattern that it's always the DR and KLR owners who talk the most hate for the GS. Could be jealously? The worst are the riders who use a milk crate for luggage hahaha

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

It definitely can be reverse snobbery. 😂

@bazza8947 2 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingadventure I'm yet to see a milk crate on your DR so you must be one of the good ones haha

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

I'm a real fan of cheap arse budget bling... I love the idea of milk crates for luggage. We rode the east coast of Australia mostly on dirt and there was plenty of really rough terrain. I spent $60 on my luggage setup. Two dry bags and a pile of octopus straps.

@bazza8947 2 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingadventure Looks like I was right the first time? I knew there was a pattern! haha :)

@James.._ Жыл бұрын

Wow, you really don't handle criticism too well do you Bazza!!! Cheers for the laugh though 🤣🤣🤣

@robertburks2126 Жыл бұрын

Whew!!! I have a 2009.... not on your faulty list! Love the bike, and your not wrong on how proud they are on their clothing prices (F Me!).

@browmi03 2 жыл бұрын

I know two people that have had their front end fall off. Both pretty aggressive riders. I still bought one, hope I don't die.

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

Your dealer can check to see if the required fix has been done, Mike

@browmi03 2 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingadventure its a 2022 I hope they figured it out by now :)

@rex4x4 2 жыл бұрын

Another great video bud .... hahaha love the cost of all the extras hahaha

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Rex!

@tangowiskey4740 8 ай бұрын

I own 20091200GSA and will have to say fuel pumps, Fuel controller and I just spent 800 on a serviceable drive shaft as they are not dependable .

@crosstrainingadventure 8 ай бұрын

My brother just sold his. It turned into a money pit. I can't remember the name of it, but there was some part he didn't even know existed but it cost him $600 to get the bike going again. Didn't even seem necessary... 😒

@martycech5844 2 жыл бұрын

Owning / riding Mammoth ADV Bikes, like this BMW, reminds me of riding my Pro street drag bike at our local Trials, MX and Hare Scramble events… 👍🏻😎👍🏻

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

Your drag bike must have been awesome on the straight trials sections!

@dUTOGATO Жыл бұрын

Don't forget the falling off rear wheel! Adventure!

@crosstrainingadventure Жыл бұрын

I haven't heard about that one...

@leeblock3379 2 жыл бұрын

I have a 2015 GSA that had 25k mi on it last year. After sitting over winter, loud knocking noise sounded like loose valve. Ended up being right exhaust cam lobe worn away along with rocker arm. While it was just out of warranty for time but well within warranty for mileage, dealer didn't want to help. When I posted on FB GS groups, I found many who had similar issue over various 2012- GS years. Since closest dealership is 125mi away I decided to buy the new cam/rocker, install it and keep riding it. Not worth my time to battle with the dealer at this point.

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

That's a shame, Lee. In the long term, it's much better for the brand if dealers, the distributors and the factory are interested in issues, find out if it's a defect, fix it, then provide support to affected customers. Every brand seems to have their good and bad moments when it comes to this process. You would hope 'premium' brands would do it every time. 😢

@leeblock3379 2 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingadventure No doubt OE's have a lot to manage with bikes across the world and issues that come up. But I think it comes down to the math. They still sell record number of GS's and will continue even if they piss off/disappoint a few of us and get bad reviews. My 2002 GS1150 went 100k with really zero issues. Current owner put another 10k on it so far. The air cooled were more stout it seemed.

@bazza8947 2 жыл бұрын

Not sure how a leaking fork seal is related to the 'fork issue' as the issue relates to the manufacturing of the very top of the fork. BMW fix it by fitting a collar over top part.

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

I don't know either. It doesn't seem to make sense but it's the info that came with the service notice...

@nateryan7041 Жыл бұрын

very entertaining lads well done ha ha ha

@arnandegans 2 жыл бұрын

Aside from the recall stuff, this mostly applies to the F850GSA too. Fun and nimble on roads and easy gravel. Not so fun on ruts and loose sand... Those 230KG + me + mods quickly become a handful...

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

I have huge respect for guys who can ride these sideways through corners and pop wheelies everywhere. 👀

@LabiaLicker 2 жыл бұрын

I think the the non boxer bmw are waste of time. Only reason to get a bmw is for the boxer

@rider_bravo 2 жыл бұрын

Hi, Thank you for this video. It was what I was looking for. No known issues for 2018 model ?

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

I don't know, I'm sure there will be a few. The main sticking points from many owners is that servicing/parts costs a fortune and overall quality seems to be dropping slowly since the 2000s.

@rider_bravo 2 жыл бұрын

Thank you@@crosstrainingadventure I hear that in almost all the videos I've watched and I've no doubt about that. The quality issue i think is common across the board. It's just ridiculous. I wanted to buy a second hand bike but now I'm thinking of just renting one for a couple of days rather than owning one.

@theravedaddy 2 жыл бұрын

Kawasaki er6s have breadstick forks too. Ive seen a set fold under the bike at walking pace and dozens more snap off below the bottom yoke in minor bashes. Ive got a video up somewhere of me 'rectifying' some. :)

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

Damn! It's rare for the Japanese to get something that wrong...

@theravedaddy 2 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingadventure its a big thang here....and exploding versys engines!

@BlackdogADV 2 жыл бұрын

I never heard of the forks snapping. I’m aware of the recall and I thought that issue was fixed. I’m on a 2010 GS and have 90,000 trouble free miles on it.

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

Great to hear. It might only be a problem for second or third owners who don't get servicing from BMW and who aren't notified of the recall when it's serviced.

@ckkrons2338 2 жыл бұрын

Looking at your issue list glad I have a 2007. 😅

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

That seems to be the case, CK... And that ex-BMW mechanic reckons the really nailed the reliability in the pre-2000 models.

@1dancier 2 жыл бұрын

Every bike has their problems, but Beemers are touted as premium so problems should be few. Just got off the "Highland Rider" channel and he's had heaps of problems with his RT, he's got a vid on known problems.

@TheWanderingGeezer Жыл бұрын

I love my GS and my DR!

@roderernst9990 5 ай бұрын

You left out clutch failure at 60000

@alfonsojr.delavictoria3983 2 жыл бұрын

Hi sir I'm a fan. What are your thoughts on the Honda CRF 300L? Always enjoyed your contents thank you so much, wish you more blessings

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

I haven't ridden one, Alfonso. 😢 I did contact Honda Australia about doing a review but they weren't interested.

@alfonsojr.delavictoria3983 2 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingadventure thank you. Keep it up. Ride safe

@milesdavis8665 Жыл бұрын

have you ever made another follow up video to this one?

@crosstrainingadventure Жыл бұрын

Usually if I find extra info I put it in the pinned first comment, Miles. I only do a follow up vid if there's heaps of new info.

@milesdavis8665 Жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingadventure Roger that. Hope all is still good with your bike

@crosstrainingadventure Жыл бұрын

Actually the big Beemer is my brother's. A friend sold it to him very cheaply but unfortunately it's at that age where quite a few things are starting to go wrong with it and it's cost around $3000 in the past year. 🤔 He still loves riding it but is gritting his teeth over the running costs, even when doing the work himself. E.g. getting the shock in the front suspension fixed was still AUD1600 even though he stripped the bike down and sent the shock interstate. It would have cost $3000 at the local dealership.

@milesdavis8665 Жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingadventure 😯 oh man. I've owned 5 bmw cars in my time. They were the same way. After the warranty period ends its time to start looking for something else. Every month in the shop. And replacing the telelever and paralever suspensions on a big GS costs just as much as they do on their cars. I was considering buying a nice used GS with low miles but then I come to my senses. Closest dealer to me is at least 12 hours away. I'd better stick with a Japanese bike. Super Tenere or something

@nikoscosmos 2 жыл бұрын

You missed the rear wheel flange issue.

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

What was that one, Nick? I was just covering recalls in this vid but I know there are plenty of smaller issues as well. Do you have any details?

@MothershipVideos 2 жыл бұрын

good shit.

@eddwil7 Жыл бұрын

The r1200gs is not for beginners. It's not as difficult to lift as other large adventure bikes. There are plenty of boys' bikes on the market if you find the gs intimidating.

@itsallabouttheridekeepingi4449 2 жыл бұрын

SWM did the same thing for the RS650 and Superdual “ they called it a warranty replacement “ basically one ☝️ of the oil screen filters fell apart in the engine causing at least 6-8 bikes I know off ( in Australia ) I run the SWM fb page 📄 and also had inside info on this . I was one of the first Superdual owners in Australia back in 2017 . Lucky 🍀 mine filter just was broken- didn’t fall apart . Also in the same Warranty upgrade was the rear subframe bolts snapping- stems from the old Husky TE 630 days . Anyway screen filters , subframe bolts were replaced and engines rebuilt or replaced ( in SWM,s defence ) I guess warranty recall sounds BAD . They have been the only known 2 main issues to date ( besides the bolts stripping out on the airbox when over tightening-also a carry over problem from the TE630 . Generally a pretty sound bike . The 300 and 500,s to my knowledge haven’t had any one ☝️ main outstanding issues especially since around 2016 , some mapping problems in earlier models .

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

Damn. Did they fix it for the 2018 models or did it take SWM a while to get on top of it? I know an unspecified amount of the engine is manufactured in China so my first thought is Chinese oil screen filters? If there are only two main problems so far that is pretty good going though. I've been close to buying one a few times....

@itsallabouttheridekeepingi4449 2 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingadventure No engines made in Italy as is frames , wheels , suspension, brakes to my knowledge only plastics and some other electrical components made in China ( like most brands ) Yes the screen was replaced with a MUCH more solid filter , the old one ☝️ you could crush between your fingers but the replacement you could not , the rear lower subframe bolts were replaced with a higher grade bolt , some other isolated problems is blown fork seals , Headsteam bearing not seated correctly, mapping had to be updated in 2018 ( as went euro 4 from 3 and down low would stall out ) RS and 2017 Superdual tank crossover taps would break easy - I fixed with a IMS better quality ones . This problem was fixed in 2018 with a different design. And ABS from 2018 onwards on the rear ( on dirt was over sensitive) if you didn’t switch it off - rear only front stayed on , some owners made a toggle switch on the bars to switch front off as well . Unfortunately SWM May not be making the Superdual anymore due to euro 5 and the engine not being able to meet this . Australia May still get them and US and other markets that don’t have strict emission regulations. We actually got the last delivery of RS650,s that we’re euro 3 and we’re sold back in 2019 for around 8000 I believe ( around that figure) So basically the Superdual is meeting the same fate . Apparently SWM are working on a twin engine but they have kept this very quiet. They are still producing the RS300 - that you talked about few years ago and the 500 , basically they haven’t changed much since 2016 colour changes , side stand change , LED lights , more comfortable seat and not sure 🤔 what else. I could find out from owners on the SWM page .

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

Great info, thanks! It's always sad to see the big singles biting the dust in more and more countries. 😢 I had read on a forum that most of the engine was made in Italy but a fair bit of the top end was Chinese... but I've seen no verification for that. I used to have a Husky TE610, I was hoping SWM could have revived that design and had a lighter more powerful option for those of us who like the DR650.

@itsallabouttheridekeepingi4449 2 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingadventure Yes 👍 I seen your vids when you had the Husky TE610 ( as a light weight ADV / dual sport - and about the rear subframe. To SWM credit they did fix a lot of issues the TE had , but Covid had a MASSIVE affects on their staff and production, they were just starting to ramp up and got into the US market ( other manufacturers like BMW made it very difficult for them - as Roxtex was going to build the Older GS 800 - or the Husky Nuda engine in a adv bike design that SWM were working on ( BMW basically said if you do we will not get your engines ) and we’ll BMW is a WAY bigger market, another twin engine they were going to use same thing happened. KTM it just buys its competition out . This is one of the reasons SWM are staying quiet 🤫 on its latest design. Unfortunately the BIG boys don’t want the little boys to take sales away from them . The RS 650 was a very good competitor to the DR650 . Better in most ways I think 🤔 ( just abit heavier by about 10kg ( off late a lot of Superdual owners have converted their bikes into a RS ( put the TE630 Safari tank on - goes straight on ) take all the crash bar , rear pegs , Center stand , put a single sided pipe on with a Aussie Barrett pipe and you drop around 20kg . It’s what I did with mine . And you get the stronger rear subframe..I hope SWM doesn’t go under because off bigger manufacturers making it difficult for them , they are a older design and is why a cheaper option “ some say they should upgrade “ but look at the DR or DRZ basically haven’t changed for 20 odd years ( and the KLR - basically all they did was bolt on fuel injection and ABS to pass new laws . Anyway keep up the GREAT 👍 Vids . Aussie content is a lot better in my opinion ( we are more practical) the Poms seem to like all the bling on their bikes , the yanks - the latest thing but us Aussies are practical if it works keep it , if it doesn’t piss it off 😂😂😂.

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

I was pretty close to buying a Superdual last year and I already had plans to try and drop about 20kg and bring it down closer to a DR650. My dream? Honda brings back the XR650R, slaps on an e-start, and does just enough mods to get it plated. And keep it all sub-150kg. 😍

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

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@cobrin6437 2 жыл бұрын

Bring My Wallet

@mikerichardson415 2 жыл бұрын

Break My Wallet

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

😂

@csu111 2 жыл бұрын

Just like their cars.....

@ChadHargis 25 күн бұрын

You're doing it wrong. You don't ride a BMW how you want to ride it, you ride it how the German engineers tell you. LOL! I bought my first BMW over 20 years ago...an 1150RT which I promptly binned after 6 months by tossing it down the Cherohala Skyway. Then I got an 1150GS. Both of those bikes had "features" (not problems...German bikes don't have problems). The RT had a horrible lean surge at 3500rpm. I was told "don't ride at that RPM". The GS had an issue with predetonation. I was told I wasn't riding the bike hard enough and carbon was building up. So I left the brand and went to Japanese bikes with a stops along the way on a Ducati, Aprillia, and a couple of Buells. Finally ended up with a V-Strom 1000. It was flawless. Imagine the motorcycling equivalent of a kitchen appliance. Never had an issue. Could barely tell the thing was running. I owned it 8 years and nearly stopped riding. The bike simply had no soul. No character. It was like dating a Puritan woman....boring. I sold the V-Strom and bought a well used and neglected 2013 BMW R1200 R. I took much of it apart, and went through it. Performed all the maintenance. Replaced parts that were known to have issues. Updated some things. Cleaned it up and made it look like new. I love the bike like a member of the family. I look forward to riding it. I got a great deal on my BMW jacket...only $600. :)

@Rinkydink73274 Жыл бұрын

I have a 2014 Vstrom 650 with 6k on the clock and I would never own a BMW..

@marshallderriek1858 11 ай бұрын

BMW has always been a bad choice in my area .. availability of parts and of course the expense .. still many people i know ride them because they ride their bikes to be seen

@JagLite 2 жыл бұрын

Interesting that you've not ridden any of the big adv bikes. Neither have I and probably for similar reasons. Yes, a Unimog can go over really bad terrain but an ATV can do the same terrain easily and is more fun. It is great to watch skilled GS riders manhandle their monsters through some gnarly trails but I have no desire to ride a heavy, expensive machine there... for fun? Yes, a great feeling of achievement I'm sure. Maybe some of us don't need that feeling? But all bikes have issues and the more complex the bike is, the more potential for issues. I like simple bikes. Maybe that means I am simple minded? That's okay with me!

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

Ditto, I'm happy to be simple minded. But yeah, it's incredible watching what a pro rider can do on a huge bike!

@markcdeyoung3118 2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I'd have to be waiting for a 99% off sale on them jackets that way MAYBE they WOULDN'T be too expensive I have seen where the GS650's have had this dangerous shock problem FOR BMW TO IMPLY THAT IT'S BAD RIDING STYLE OR TECHNIQUE IS LUDACRIS UNLESS MAYBE YOU'RE JUMPING THEM OFF OF A CLIFF THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A ONE-TIME THING ANYWAY

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

Sometimes I think it's almost standard for any manufacturer to blame owners first... then hopefully they slowly admit their is an actual fault. I've seen it with quite a few brands.

@edbreyette 2 жыл бұрын

Own a gs 1200 as well as 1090r, they really shouldn't be in the same category. Romping a gs like the 1090 would kill it, touring cross country on 1090? No thanks.

@milesdavis8665 2 жыл бұрын

Wow nothing wrong with the 2018 model?!

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

I don't know Miles... but there's just the overall drop in quality compared to earlier models judging by the comments of many long term owners.

@milesdavis8665 2 жыл бұрын

@@crosstrainingadventure I thought it would be the other way around the way people talk about it. And here I was looking at these bikes in the used market. Seems like they are just like their cars. Good while under warranty but get rid of it before the warranty ends. Time to look For a super tenere 1200 or vstrom 1050 😆

@luckylarrikin1439 2 жыл бұрын

One has to be "cruel to be kind" I guess.

@speedster2464 Жыл бұрын

I have an 07 GS and wouldn’t part with it. Haters are everywhere!

@crosstrainingadventure Жыл бұрын

Good to hear it's going well. If long term Beemer owners and mechanics are right about a slow drop in quality in recent years, a 2007 model should still be pretty good. 👍

@jcollins2826 2 жыл бұрын

My friend’s sister’s husband had a BMW many years ago. He liked it a lot, but I didn’t like him so this brand must be junk. Besides that, something “might” fail. That is definitely a big problem.

@gabrielarsenault4175 2 жыл бұрын

Hey first lol i know its stupide,

@stephanegodts9052 2 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@fmjoc 2 жыл бұрын

Good gawd man, if you don’t like BMW just say so. No need for the pre teen snarky attitude. BMW has a purpose and a strong following that’s just not for you.

@SimonBrisbane 2 жыл бұрын

Except he is right. BMW in general has had lots of issues and everything with a BMW label on it is bloody expensive. This is not derision from merely dirt bike riders. Many BMW owners recognise it just as much. I’ll be the first to admit they are very capable touring bikes, have lots of power and are comfortable but they have no soul. Horses for courses, but Barry’s criticisms are solid. On other videos he acknowledges some BMW owners have claimed they had no issues with their bikes but others have had nothing but grief after grief. He’s also doing people a great service by making these issues known, forewarned is fore-armed. This info should factor into a purchasing decision.

@SimonBrisbane 2 жыл бұрын

@@erkful you call forks failing minor? Yeah well, no wonder you think he’s making a big deal over nothing. I don’t see it that way at all. I’m sure Barry will be the first to admit every brand has had issues. Only here he’s just demonstrated that BMW has certainly had more than their fair share.

@crosstrainingadventure 2 жыл бұрын

I think labelling it as a pre-teen attitude is making a pile of assumptions. 😂 If you are really interested I'll explain my position. But generally if viewers don't like the vids I suggest they go elsewhere.

@Richardm1981 8 ай бұрын

I know right? Then his reply is if you don’t like it go elsewhere 😂