It's just not , put your car on a scale with full tank it's around 1650kg , regular M4 f82 is 1670kg.

​@@karolmaciejewski340still far too heavy regardless

@@karolmaciejewski340 put the M2 with a full tank on a scale and it will be over 1870 kg.

@@thefridgeman G87 is 1710kg on a scale with full tank, carbon roof and buckets zf8. 1725kg with full tank and heaviest configuration. There's also few videos on KZfaq where u can see that.

Don't let facts get in the way of a good story man!

it will probably have cloth door handles, lighter but more uncomfortable seats, deleted rear seats and in the end actually be even heavier than the normal one because of bigger breaks and wheels 😂however, despite the weight they will still somehow manage to make it absolutely fantastic.

Cars weigh more because they are getting bigger I wouldn't be surprised if bmw released a 1 series coupe again probably be electric though

@patrickf2386 Exactly it will be a heavy pig, but everyone will say how great of a job bmw did hiding its massive size!😄

Well, it doesn’t seem to matter since the guys at BMW know how to properly hide the weight

1400 is impossible with the regulations now.

​@@peterhammer6915i would disagree, specially at that pricepoint. You have the GR86 and the MX5, just to name a couple.

@@MrOriol24 What ? The M2 isn't playing in the same class as the GR86/BRZ and MX-5 loll those two are half the price, half the size, half the power, half the speed etc... Of course a small N/A 4 cylinder engine sports coupe with a fabric roof will be less heavy than an M2 lol ! M2 is 152mm wider, 173mm taller, 665mm longer and 437mm longer wheelbase compared to the MX-5. We gotta stop panicking on the weight stuff. The M2 has the same powertrain, drivetrain, interior, safety feature and tech as the M3/M4 but for a lower price and shorter wheelbase... It will outdrag all the cars in it's class (even the dark horse mustang with all the upgrade packages) (lots of videos out there). It does similar lap times than a supra around a track, and will look and feel classy if you need to drive to an important business meetings or bring a customer to lunch.. It really depends on what you need and what car will meet your requirements. Supra is a terrible daily driver in which I wouldn't drive customers around for lunch time. M2 is simply better at it while still being competitive on track. But if I would only need a fun car for the weekend and trackdays, I'd buy the Supra any day that's for sure,.

M2 all day which is great for everyday driving dynamics with its great infotainment and plush interior. I'd take it again and again

Same. Great presenter

Definitely! I have a Honda Integra DC5 Type R and being 600kg less my brakes and tyres last waaaay longer than my friends with E92 M3s which eat them up on track. Yes they have a load more power but they go through consumables 3-4x as fast as I do, and have M tax on top! That V8 is incredible though... I always see M2s on track day but still yet to see this latest one out there.

Add brake cooling ducts for a decrease of wear with 50%

@@8teate maybe, doubt, but there’s more than brakes

@@8teate Tyres and fuel are way more expensive than a set of pads and fluid.

@@damienlee1165 Tyres and fuel are indeed more expensive. However, I don't think there's any better car out there at the moment that combines both street comfort and race capabilities. When driving normally on the public roads, you'll have the most economical M-car of recent history. (taking its power into consideration). 7 liter / 100 km.

Yeah I came here to say the same when I heard it. I think the trend of new cars putting ugly floating single piston calipers on the rears is apalling.

@@marked_one was pretty surprised to see it on an M5CS. I'll say they work just fine but the visual balance is way off, even with the large rear rotors.

@@nodrogkam yeah they do work, I believe they do it because of the automatic e brake, but they just look awful, especially compared to the previous generation. I hate that they are just cast, with 0 finishing touches so you can see the roughness of the cast through the paint. I believe they should have 2 separate rear callipers, especially on something like the M5

@@marked_one I do agree with you. But here I am…an owner of a G87. Haha

@@nodrogkam you're braver than me, I wouldn't trade my f87 m2c for any modern BMW

Always matters

Hi mate I tracked mine manual around Phillip island gp circuit it was fantastic manual was ace and I loved every lap I did. Cars a weapon and fast as any guy can drive. So for those who don’t like driving enjoy your Tesla. M2 is unreal and looks tough especially after adding accessories to them.

@user-eb7lv3nz4m The Cayman had sharper steering and Yes its mid engine gave it great balance, however the M2 has well over 120 more hp and also has near 50/50 weight balance . It's faster, more comfortable, way more tech, braking is about the same. As for looks., the M2 Ilooks aggressive and mean. The Cayman was curvy and sexy. So even though I loved my Cayman, the M2 is simply more aggressive. A German Muscle car. Also the S58 engine has way more potential than the flat 6 . The Cayman only wins by handling. And barely.

Worth replying to someone who has owned both M2 and Cayman. To many keyboard warriors who have driven neither to validate their points. The 981 Cayman is old tech in comparison to the new M2 although the incredible chassis and flat 6 engine mask this very well and anyone jumping into one and having a blast through Snowdonia or Peak district would not be disappointed. On the type of track Rory is testing this M2 on the extra weight would make little difference given the power,suspension and tyres the M2 has. I bought the 4.0 GTS Cayman 6 months ago and having driven the M2 also can say both are outstanding drivers cars with slightly different strengths. M2 is a more in your face instrument with great power on tap instantly and chassis that masks the 1700kg weight very well. The Cayman has a free revving power delivery that really shines above 4k. I chose PDK above manual as it really is the best gearbox around and makes the most of the engine characteristics.The chassis remains sublime. Having put 2k miles on spirited Sunday road trips and Porsche track day can honestly say it is best small sports car out there,. If the Alpine had more 50-75hp more power then the gap would be closer as that has great driving dynamics and 300kg less weight. The M2 is probably the last of the small ice M cars and having option of manual box to be celebrated despite the subjective looks, although personally think it's aggressive stance is well suited to the overall package. Enjoy yours Scotty

I actually traded my 981 Cayman S for my F87 M2 a few years ago and do enjoy it more 🍻 enjoy!

Another previous Cayman S owner here with a 2023 M2 now in the driveway. Both are brilliant cars, and I have learned to enjoy the different dynamics of driving they have to offer. I for one will never complain about having first world problems😉😉 Aloha nui all

Selling a Cayman for an M2. The world had gone mad 😢

Lol

All you haters are hilarious. Can you even afford one? The one in my garage looks sounds and drives better than any car I've owned.

@@therealgelogist I used to be a BMW fan, but as they've become more focused on luxury accoutrements than performance they've lost me as a potential customer. Oh, their 6-cyl engines are still powerful, but the cars are too large, heavy and expensive, plus their recent designs are polarizing (I don't like them. At all). To your point about your M2 driving better than any car you've owned, I'd say you haven't owned an Alfa Romeo Giulia.

@@therealgelogist we stare at screens all day long, why would I want a giant one in my car? they didnt even bother too integrate it into dash properly, just added a little kickstand to prop it up and call it a day, hahah enjoy your lego car you $helled our your money for, (btw ppl are cringing when they see this thing driv by)

Same story here. Owned OG M2, now I have G87 such a great car much better than F87. Non of my previous cars received so many thumbs up from random people.

That question is for poor people!!

@@duffydon1741 Here in Britain most people finance/lease their cars and pretend as though they bought it outright and claim to be rich !!

@@blazzz13 if they can afford monthly payments on those cars, they are not poor!

@@duffydon1741 They are leveraged else they wouldn't be able to drive those cars. They certainly don't own them- you sound hurt that I'm telling it as it is 🤣

Drive one, put it in sport plus and you will change your mind are they heavier yes but they are absolute beasts.

@@SaulFein I have is nothing like the previous e/f series m cars when it comes to driver involvement. The G series has gained a lot of weight, more sound insulation, quieter exhaust, drive by wire braking, larger dimensions and a bunch of annoying driver aids.

​@@lloyd.8272 I think you are wrong when it comes to driver involvement the newer cars are a lot faster in a straight line and around the track and the chasis in the new cars are even better. The power band of the new engines are better. Watch Chris Harris drive his new g87 and what he says about it. I have been driving a manual F87 on track a bit and the car is fantastic, but my manual G series is on another level as far as performance goes it's got more muscle and just feels more capable.

Same

I find that hard to believe...

@@ShannonSouthAfrica google it !!!

True 😂

Why'd u want a SUV, are you a soccer mom?

No but like the roads in my country are really horrible for a low driving sedan or anything sporty

@@cosmic-due2607 unlucky bro, well in that case if you enjoy driving quick, I'd have the Porsche as it does a better job of pretending to be a sportscar.

F87 M2 comp also weights the same as F82 M4

You should look up Pavlov's dog

think last gen lci looked better than this, but i really dont understand people who dont like the look of this thing

I really like it to, completely don't get the hate

@@lhmocs6368 The large, rectangular openings in the front fascia look silly and don't complement the rest of the exterior.

@@rlsedition ehh, it's boxy overall so I'd say it fits the design well, wether it looks good is debatable of course

@@lhmocs6368 Let's just say the new M2 is not a paragon of design which will be largely forgotten in a few years.

This

Still, an M2 should not weight more than 1500kg. And the CS weighting 1400 when it vomes out. 1700kg is unacceptable for a car like that

@@MrOriol24 agree but that's how it is with modern luxurious sport cars not much we can do.

Add a carbon hood and Liteblox or antigrafity battery and you end up below 1700 kg.

@@8teate or MT

No, it's still ugly.

@@rlsedition cool

Don't speak for others when you think you know better, but in fact you are just blind.

@@jkliao6486 No, I speak for myself and put my money where my mouth is and bought an actual good looking sedan, an Alfa Romeo Giulia.

@@rlsedition I should have replied to the other person to avoid confusion. I, myself, also thought M2 was ugly when it was launched, and still think it's ugly up to this day, and most likely for the foreseeable future.

Autos beat manual for mpg years ago. They're just more efficient now with the additional gears. But of course manual still wins for driver engagement.