Glad we could help 😏

Install a intercooler first

Is it 6spd step or manual?

Hum . With MHD stage 1+ = 340ch …

Duel come 😂

I'd love to have a drive in an xdrive, we didn't get them down here in Aus. In fact we still don't, hopefully the G series will finally see the xdrive platform in the 3 series here. It sounds like you are on the money with your mods. I'm not too fussed on a BOV, would be a different story if it was a manual car. Yes, MHD is amazing for the DIY tuner, its almost too cheap for what it does. We're gonna keep playing with Andrews black 335 on the channel and we will get this MHD car back once the owner has done a few more things to it. Please let us know how yours goes once you get a few mods.

wow pretty low mileage. If you're running increased boost like MHD stage 2, you're gonna want diverter valves/BOV. I have the Forge dv/bov on my e61

JB4 with an MHD back end flash + FBO You'll be close to 450 whp on 93oct. If you put corn in it you'll be over 500whp. Or add some meth injection. Thanks me later! In the meantime save up for some turbos or turbo. Because the stockies WILL let go at some point.

throw on some 19t turbos upgrade the outlets and inlets ..index 12 injectors...upgrade fuel system on hpf and lpf throw in jb4 with mhd and xhp..with the bov on vrsf charge pipe it is so much fun to drive and makes the car a rocket. I've got an 08 like yours and did all you said as well as all these items it's the most fun car out of the 8 cars i have.

@@ZeroTo60Tube jb4 with mhd back end is the best way to go for piggy back for the first gen n55 and n54 models. I’ve used jb4 for 3 years straight no problems my buddy used mhd and his car actually had many problems. Totaled my bmw 🙃

Would be the correct method

I imagine you would need the car to adapt after each tune for a decent amount of miles

Or test both cars in stock for a useful starting point

Yes, you have pretty much guessed it. The owner of the MHD car is doing intercooler, charge pipe and a trans service. Depending on how the trans feels after the service, he may also put XHP on. MHD is really hard to beat value for money wise, totally changes the cars character. Have you had yours for long? Also 10 points on finding the video before its officially live haha.

Great Video guys, always interesting to see a comparison of different tuning methods, Agree with John Herbert Walnut blasting does make a difference especially with high mileage cars due to carbon build up on these direct injection engines, Intake, XHP, Walnut blast and Intercooler upgrade 👌 Not sure if the charge pipe has been done, but those plastic ones crack or blow under higher than stock boost levels. Then it's the downpipes for stage 2, which will take the car to well over 400bhp.

I would get catless down pipes 1st I have all the fbo except fuel I'm still running on 91oct in California on a MHD stage 2+ and it's a monster in power..

Both of these cars are faster starting in first. They both seem to have significant traction issues if you brake boost in 2nd. You can either start on boost and fry or be super laggy up to about 40kph.... either way its hard to get them in to the 5s starting in second. Im sure it would be a different story on a decent surface.

That is a tough one. BMS maps just work, they are by far the most tried and tested. You do need to match the BEF to your fuel and i didn't think much of the BMS pump back end flash. The car was lazy. Race flash on the other hand was a different story. As for Wedge vs RFP, i would recommend speaking to them both and see what responses you get. Ken from wedge has been tuning N54 cars with JB4s since before wedge tuning was even a business. He has definitely spent a lot of time getting the most out of these motors. However he also very publicly doesn't like JB4s. RFP is relatively new, only been doing it for a few years, but i like how is open with his tutorials and wants to share the basics of tuning. I approached both and got a much more positive reply from RFP, so he got my money. Once i have the port injection up and running (still waiting on injectors) i will do a vid on his map and review how it performs compared to the BMS one and more importantly on what his support and willingness to fine tune was like.

@@ZeroTo60Tube Thank you so much for the detailed response. I will have a chat with RFP and I can't wait for the new video!

Yeah I think it was a pretty fair match.. and a very fair result! James was definitely stoked to nearly crack the 4 second mark (something that took the black 335 build on our channel a lot of mods to do!)

Yeah, that seems to be the general thoughts on MHD, the way it feels to drive is just wicked. Its a very nicely refined tune. Not to mention so bloody cheap.

Completely agree if you are just testing power. But there is still matter of how the cars off the line. And there’s much more data out there on the 0-100 times, well it’s easier for most people to compare. I’m sure down the track the average petrol head will be familiar with 100-200 times of a lot of cars just off the top of their head. But even these 2 are pretty slow 100-200. Not many people have enough room to safely test it. Add another 200hp and you can get those 100-200 times in a much shorter distance.

So much comes in to play when launching a car with a bit of power. But you are 100% right with tyres, they are a huge factor.

@@ZeroTo60Tube sorry bro bit you did more to the jb4 switching maps etc and nothing to the mhd....i dont think it was a fair shot

@@hassantalib3426 you can't switch maps on the MHD, it was running max power as it was. Another plus of the JB4 you can wind them down on the fly if you have too much power to launch.

We used a vbox to time the runs. The app is called vbox sport.

If you are basic on the hardware mods. MHD v5 is the most aggressive off the shelf tune.

@@ZeroTo60Tube inlets outlets, upgraded chargepipe, 7 inch intercooler, stage 2 fuel pumps, upgraded coil packs and plugs, index 10 injectors, bov, catless down pipes

@@asiawheeler1487 any update?

All very good points 👌 To clarify they are both running OTS tunes as that is what most guys are using when they first start out modding. Wedge do write the OTS maps for MHD only users, this was tested with the OTS default map on MHD. The JB4 car is on the BMS Pump BEF, which is free but the JB4 is quite a bit more expensive than the MHD only option. Both cars were tested when they were both at a very early stage of modifications. We still think each setup is probably what most MHD users will do first and the same for JB4 users.

Its vBox sport app. You do need a vBox sport to use it, which is a bit exxy. We have been playing with a friends dragy which is 1/3 of the price of the vBox, we would probably recommend that over the vBox.

Intakes are known for being a worthless mod on these cars, and the MHD car had a muffler delete so it's a wash.

Yes we do agree, which is why we made the comment at the start of the video, regarding the cars being different. We did think about the differences and how they would impact times and whether it was "fair" before doing the video. The reality is there are very rarely two modified cars that are exactly the same. The JB4 car was running XHP. But the MHD car had much better tyres, you can launch the MHD car at 2000rpm and it hooks up. The JB4 car will spin the wheels badly if you launch at 2000rpm. Both cars would be running very similar boost at this rpm range. After accurately timing around 500 0-100kmh times on the street in nearly 100 different cars, the differences in these times is so close it's nearly irrelevant as a comparison of performance. The JB4 gives the users an advantage being able to run specific boost curves and hold what ever boost you want to redline. The MHD is the safer of the two keeping that and other adjustability out of the hands of people who don't understand what they are doing. But MHD is generally giving a better driving experience, not to mention much cheaper. We should have summarised better in the video, we are definitely still learning how to best do this type of filming. For someone that isn't mechanically minded MHD is the better option hands down, it's cheaper and just works every time. If you want to learn about tuning, and whats going on in a N54 when you start winding the boost up the JB4 is a great platform to learn yourself. The downside being more complex, if you don't learn, you can really ruin how a car feels when incorrectly adjusting settings in the JB4.

JB4 car also had Intakes which have been proven on dyno to make more power.

Unfortunately we haven't been in a stage 2 Dinan car. From what we have read the Dinan tunes are a little more relaxed than MHD, but haven't seen them side by side.

Stock cars with 2 people in them, on a normal style road, timed with something accurate like a vbox or draggy are normally around 6.5 seconds. Claimed times like that 5.6 are normally perfect conditions, perfect tyres, perfect road with minimal weight in the car. They don't reflect a real world time, which is what we aim for on the channel.

@@ZeroTo60Tube lol I do 4.2 in my e90

@@1VETaLEK2 n54? stage 1? stock?

By myself a q tank of gas in the car stage 1 94 oct ACN with dci and upgraded clutch and sport comp 2s at 255 on the rear i was hitting 4.5 4.6 easy :/ just seems a bit weird

That bms intake looks like hot air intake. I deeply doubt that it gives any extra power.

Do you mean amounts of wear on the motors?

@@ZeroTo60Tube no, as in one being n55 an the other n54

That would make a huge difference, however These are both N54s. Both cars are 2008 models. N55 didn’t come out until around 2011 from memory.

@@ZeroTo60Tube thanks for that clarification

It will but it will may also spin. We have launched this car probably 100 times with the vbox, what you see in the vids is the fastest on the day. Sometimes what feels quicker isnt actually quicker according to the vbox.

Have you had issues with the JB4?

if thats the case, just get MHD. i had issues with JB4. engine lights, codes etc. Went JB4 bef. car drove a lot better.. Sold the jb4, got MHD licenses. Much better overal, although i like the JB4 app better. Now im MHD with a custom tune, it blows the off the shelf maps out of the water

@@TrapN54Tv for me, part throttle and overall cruising around. It doesn't feel lazy. I'd just go and get a custom tune done right away.

Ohhh man. We’ve been so lucky with these 2 cars neither of us have had the dreaded 30ff........... yet haha

I felt that lmao

All that means is new turbo time and epic POWA

@@kaelanburke2097 You might be able to get away with tuning/tightening your wastegates without replacement. On these e90's it doesn't take very long to do it. I have an e60 5 series chassis and I have to take my downpipes off to tune my rear wastegate, but I have the 30FC code which is technically a boost leak lol. Hopefully my turbskis aren't bad

That would be gnarly. Are you running a standard tcu tune?

@@ZeroTo60Tube Hi no I had it tuned by Atm find them on Facebook 335i n54 264 whp and 590 torque oh in cape town and gearbox stage 3. I dont believe in the tunes you have .watching KZfaq videos on it.😔

BMW e90 N54 in for some proper mods! This car came in tuned already and misfiring because of insanely strong tune and the only hardware being a downpipe. Before was 251kw & 525nm with a terrible looking graph. We achieved an impressive 266kw & 590nm at the wheels keeping power down a little because of the stock cooler. Mods added: - N20 Spark plugs gapped - Delphi Coil Packs - @tweek_cpt n54 inlets - @tweek_cpt N54 oil catch can - @tweek_cpt sport oil valve - ATM Stage 2 Protune - @xhpflashtool Stage 3 TCU tune - Boost leak test to verify no leaks More info: Sales: renato@atm-chiptuning.net / 0714810046 Tech: damian@atm-chiptuning.net / 0829213867 #n54 #inlets #atmchiptuning #getatmtuned #atmtuned #downpipes #oilcatchcan #ftpmotorsport #tweekperformance #tweekcpt #twinturbo #oilcooler #tcu #tcuflash #xhp #stage2 #stage3 #torque #dyno #tuning #sparkplugs #protune #boost #boostleak

Yepp, My 335XI e90 also 5,25 sec, I want the Downpipes, MHD and XHP hope then come under the 5 sec. But the downpipes are difficult to get and to replace because of the X Drive.

@@dhoff4850 ok things have changed since then have downpipe mhd jb4 tuned will trying to beet your time soon 😀

Not recommended for hard use, like track days. But a few pulls for 5-10 seconds without letting the engine get too hot is fine. The JB4 was running on the pump back end flash, which is a relatively safe flash. If you are going to try it yourself, do some logs and throw them up on N54tech, they will pretty quickly tell you if its safe on your car.

Okay I was just curious because with my mods I only run map 1 or 5 JB4 Intercooler Charge pipe Muffler delete Intakes New plugs and coils. As of now.

@@eddieellison7679 Have you got a back end flash on it yet? Cars with the BEF do feel different to ones using the stock flash.

I disagree. I just ditched JB4 and went MHD stage 2+ and now it is slow as hell! I'm going to put the JB4 back in

Ahhh yep and how did it go?

Not too many people remember that name.... haha

Jb3 yes haha

Honestly intakes mean close to nothing on stock turbos. If one had a drop in high flow filter and the other had a complete intake system at stage one. They'd be the same.

When you time a car accurately with zero roll out and 2 people in the car (we do this as more of a real world test) they are often slower than people realise. A lot slower. My current N54 e92 car with 20psi, port injection and full e85 is yet to break 4.6 0-100kmh when tested this way. I have done a 3.9 with a OBD data logger tho... the obd timers are way off by the way.

We do want to do this. We might do it with the black car. What maps would like to see compared. The black car is now nearly FBO.

@@ZeroTo60Tube stage 1.5 vs MHD stage 2+

@@ZeroTo60Tube stage 1.5 vs mhd 2+ 98 pump gas

Nah none of these tyres would put it down.

@@ZeroTo60Tube Ah ok - i felt brake could have been released at around 3000rpm instead of 2000rpm which feels a bit low, will have an experiment on mine when i get the chance...!

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She's fully sponsored since 2013..... honest.

Because of JB4? Or because you forgot to go one step colder plugs and new coils when you installed it?

@@DSBsky77 Yes because of JB4 and i had new plugs and my coils were OK just accept the fact piggyback tunning box sucks, currently on BM3 OTS Stage 1 map almost 1 year no issues at all😉

What do you think about the shifts displayed in this video on the XHP car vs the non XHP car?

@@ZeroTo60Tube The shifts on the xhp car is les smooth because it locks up the torque converter from 2nd gear under acceleration hence the snappier shifts. The stock gearbox software still allows for torque converter slippage hence a smoother shift and more comfortable drive downside is a slower shift and acceleration but easier to launch. If you get the highest xhp map it almost shifts as fast as the dct gearbox. Generally to take full advantage of a xhp tune is to fit a LSD. With full torque converter lockout under hard acceleration you run into traction issues as you have seen. Fitting a limited slip differential enables the car to put the power down to the ground. Simply fitting a lsd to a stock 335i will drop the 0-60 times into the 4 second range as it allows for harder launches without breaking traction.

I just wondered if you could pick up that the shift solenoids were no good as the xHP shifts in this video were terrible. That’s all. Appreciate the comments, none the less. Drive safe and keep learning 👌

Thats super quick. Mind you i bet x drive really helps with the launches, no worries about wheel spin even on a full stalled up launch.

Yeah my 535xi does 5.4 stock as well

My FBO 335xi does 0-60 in 3.5 on e60 3.8-3.9 on 93 octane

@@dat_famous_kid8394 You xi guys have all the traction haha. Wish we got them down here in Australia.

@@dat_famous_kid8394 They are talking 0-100 though, in mph its 62mph? So add on a couple tenths.

There's really not a lot in it. They really are so close that in a traffic light drag race it could either way.

I thought that. Somehow slower than stock

yes but not with 2 persons on board😂

Which state do you guys do the tests in as I am happy to let you compare my 135 stage 2+ against your 335's

Fair point. The MHD car has now gone quicker in our latest video with the new version 9 maps. I really think MHD works better with the autos than a JB4 does anyway.

@@ZeroTo60Tube I just went to ver9 myself, it is better. Xhp should shave a 10th or two off the 0-100 aswell

What mods is your car running?

@@ZeroTo60Tube dci, upgraded ic, charge pipe, factory performance exhaust and stg 2 91 oct mhd. I have a set of down pipes I need to install. My car had the ppk on it so mhd wasn't a huge jump for me

It's not. I've only done about 1000 timed runs in a n54. This is quite normal when you time them accurately.