Yes...it was just another "my bike's better than your bike" upload with poor content.

KTM for aggressive sporty 'ready to race' riding style. BMW i guess more relaxed, don't rush me, i'll meet you there... KTM-fun . BMW-comfort. However, my 1190 is very comfortable, and fun!

Exactly that's why I am angry 😡

@@ilearner3319 calm down 🤤

Both of these bikes makes for some great tourers, and for the most part of the world it's a bigger genre than off road sport. There are more people who would treat these bikes as road going tourer so why do you think it's not reflecting real world use?

Battle scars means you’re learning from your mistakes.

Yeah but you'll never go off road.

Magnum Muscle it’s an edited version of their TV show...

When tv media got shit stats and all them shits came to absolute pollute. But they have to keep yt in the family biz.

Agree I always skip it

Agreed. I can understand in this case because they had a TV show (I think). But when normal everyday youtubers do it I am scratching my head trying to understand why they would do that to themselves.

I agree. Get straight to the point

So you went from a KTM to a Bowel Movement on Wheels ?

@@1-shotslinger108 I had a 1200gs and bought a 2019 ktm1290s.... never ever looked back.

This was not very informative. lol

@D Dubs Dont get me wrong I thought the 1200gs was a great machine. I went from the 1200 to a africa twin then I got the new bmw gs850 rally adventure now the KTM. The KTM has been exceptional for me. Its been a absolute thrill to ride.

I had the 1150GS and absolutely loved it. Fantastic bike. When I decided to upgrade I tried the both the 1200GS and the 1190 Adventure. The GS is the pretty girl with the shy smile and good manners that asks you on a date and you know mom will love her. The KTM is the pot smoking goth chick with the hourglass figure that comes over, licks your ear and asks if you want to fuck. You know you shouldn´t, but you do it anyway.

Not sure why they think drag racing times are at all import for touring/adventure bikes.

Allow me to disagree. I've had both bikes (admittedly, the 2016 GS 1200, not the 1250 which I only tested once. Same for the 1190 S which I own and traded my GS in for. I regularly have the 1290 as a replacement bike). The new 1290 S caught up in the suspension department and is now very comfortable too. Maybe the GS riding position is even more better for tall people like me, but still. Maybe KTM could do a bit more in the wind protection department. It's just the KTM's engine is much more exciting to me. The 1250 gs is very fast, but linear, so you don't really notice your speed. And it still sounds like a sewing machine. I disagree with the fact the 1250gs is soo much different from the 1200. Riding them back to back maybe, but for me, coming from the 1200, it felt nearly the same, a mild evolution. I always felt the 1200 to be a supple and linear bike, with torque all around the range and that didn't change. But i'll keep my 1190 S ktm and will maybe once trade up for a 1290 s for sure. Heat is only a problem for those not wearing proper motorcycle pants/gear and driving around in cities in very warm countries. Haha loved the conclusion at 14:15 btw. BMW rider is gonna die from boredom :D that's what it is (and what I experienced, plus the stupid ticking noises from engine and shaft drive line lash)

@@wwertyuio1843 Is your comment based on fact or is it just your mindless, pointless, uneducated opinion?

Until something goes wrong, then you wish you hadn’t bought a KTM.

I rode my 1290 from Germany to Siberia and back, motocamping along the way for 3 months. It was superb. I’ve owned 3 Gs’s and I really like them, but it’s simply not true that they are better tourers, let alone better adventure bikes. I then shipped it to Australia and did 18,000 km all through the outback, fitted with Motoz Tractionator tyres it went everywhere.

Sporty guy =KTM Fat guy = BMW

Workshop and problem side: KTM Feel of quality and comfort: BMW

@@Swedeonamotorcycle BMW has a 41% rate of failure within the first 3 years and ranks high on the unreliable manufacturers

@@Chrisloou seriously ? kzfaq.info/get/bejne/sL-gZN2J3smUlnU.html&feature=emb_logo BAM MIC DROP!!

😂😂 Yea he did drop it it seems

Give it 5,000km and it will work like magic, Let it learn and gearbox breaks in.

I did the opposite :X

@@sulos4646 why?

@@rodolfomartins1982 4 times the warning light in 40'000km and the smal valve that controles volume of the Bike in the city has rustet conpletly. The whole thing had to be replaced 1500CHF without work. Edith: And 3 Broken LED lights, by rain/water.

@@sulos4646 :( damn. Really bad experience

@@rodolfomartins1982 and 2 times a cable didnt fit well. Sure some of these are failures of the garage while doing some services. But that should not happens to such a Bike.

I demo rode a GS this year and it had very strong vibrations above 5K (especially in the foot rests). I assume something must have been out of sync or loose since other GS owners have told me theirs are having no vibrations. Also the stock windscreen was not doing much on the highway for me (182 cm height) at all. I'm interested to know why you think the GS is a more comfortable long-distance bike than the Tiger 1200. Not having ridden it, I have heard from reviews that it's extremely comfortable.

@@sv650nyc7 both are good but the gsa1200 I now have has a more comfortable riding position and seat plus you only notice minor vibes through bars....no obvious vibes through pegs on mine. The Tiger isn't as good ergo wise for me. I have grip puppies fitted to the gsa and that almost eliminates what vibes there are. More of a stretch on the Tiger and seat not as comfy plus has less legroom than my gsa1200. The major problem for me and many others for the tiger is this: firstly...when loaded up, tight switch backs are a nightmare...especially uphill on narrow roads. It feels like it wants to drop all the time. Top heavy weight means it probably will if you're not on guard and wrestling it round tight slow bends. The gs and gsa are fantastic at low speed fully loaded. The balance is spot on and tight slow manouvres are no problem. Secondly, wrestling with the tiger off the bike is also tiring. Its just too darned top heavy. The standard gs screen I agree is no good. You're better either fitting the lower sports screen off the rallaye or the gsa screen which is taller then add a screen deflector. I use and MRA vario screen which is fab. The gsa makes a better tourer than the gs imho. Lazier geometry makes it feel more stable, it's higher up, has more tank range and the TE model has the spots and luggage scaffolding. Mine is the best bike I've owned in 35 years of biking. Tiger engine was peachy smooth and it had an addictive howl once wound up. A road handling was on rails too screen was great too as were backlit switches...better than the bmw in those respects. It had a better pillion seat, better grab rails and a very substantial and well made frame. Everywhere else it was not as good as the gsa. Quality wasn't as good overall, but the biggest problem was how it carried it's weight. It also cooks you with engine heat when weather picks up warm. Did I mention that weight? You soon tire of wrestling with it...trust me! Mind you the KTM cooks the gonads too! It's fuelling isnt as good out of the crate as the bmw...the seat is uncomfortable. Its not as relaxed a tourer and just doesnt need that relentless power. Plastics are rubbish on it compared with the beemer...it's viby and electronics are suspect on many. Know a lot of people having issues with theirs. It just doesn't feel as polished or comfortable as the gsa for long distance work. One man's "boring" is another's perfection. Even the gs/gsa1200 get into three figure speeds very rapidly. They waft you up there with no fuss or shouting and low end stomp is amazing. You learn to love them as tourers and all rounders very quickly. I tired of the KTMs one trick pony wheely inducing loud mouthed power, its vibes and it costs more to service. Tyres don't last as long as for the beemer or tiger either and its just not as comfortabke as either if those bikes. These are all things you pick up on long term ownership hence why the gsa to me is king. Hope that helps.

@@ReferenceFidelityComponents Awesome reply! Much appreciated! I value opinions from long-term, real life owners such as you highly since they're hard to find on KZfaq if at all (I guess that's what the forums are for). I see now why the GSA is so popular. I still really don't like its design, especially compared to the Tiger, but I guess you can't have it all.

I had a 1290s a terrible financial mistake. That’s fine. If Donovan likes KTM that’s also fine. He is a breath of fresh air. Quirky. Edgy. Dynamic. Hyper intelligent. So not a grumpy crusty old fart like co host Mat. Long live our Donovan - journalist extrodinaire .

You ca use 6 gear. It will still dropped the gs.

Its not the design of the engine really its going to die because of the new emissions laws and twins are being hit the hardest

Being on two wheels is what it is all about!

No dude the R1250 GSA is actually better lol :)

Jay S lol I will just keep loving my 1290 Adventure S

​@@paulclontz6560 It is a fun bike! Zoom zoom.

Don mixed his words @16:18

Rachad Achkar Had one Doesn’t compare to the KTM off road. Great bike on road. Duck holds to much fuel which turns into more weight up top. Also doesn’t like to turn off road. Front end pushes and I’ve tried a few different tires.

@@2loulucas you should check what i do with my enduro 1260 on my channel it will change your opinion

Because it is ugly ?. Front looks like a fiat multipla. 😁😁😁😉😉😉

@@rachad66 Okay, I took you up on your offer and checked out your channel. I am in the market for an ADV bike and have settled on the GS, KTM, Multistrada and the Tiger 1200. I watched three of your videos and you were on wide, flat and easy dirt roads the entire time. I don't have any issue with that because I will use mine the same way, but it's not like your videos are showing any kind of special capabilities. Any of the adventure bikes will be more than able to handle that.

right, nobody.

yep only very advanced offroad riders should really be alone with these heavy bikes offroad. dropping one on yourself alone in the woods is a serious problem.

@@1compaqedr8 I'm not great off road and did a 3 week tour through the outback of Aus by myself on my KTM 1190 and had no problems. I didn't do hardcore tracks but those outback roads can be narly, lots of sand as well. I droped it over 10 times and sure it gets mighty tough to pickup especially in sand and fully loaded but I did it and I'm average size guy, 5'11 85kgs.. You'd be surprised how many people ride them hard offroad.

WhosThatGuy cool. Yeah I was in serious mud with my 1190 last weekend alone. My new e805 tires are great. I was poking around a construction site though. Me and several guys are going to a huge off-road resort with hardcore trails. I wouldn’t go there alone on my 1190.

@@1compaqedr8 Ha just looked to see if you had some vids of your 1190 and I see you have a MR2.. I actually owned a black MR2 back in 2001, I miss it soooo much.. 1190 and MR2, we share some fine tastes haha.

Damn. Wow. How far was the trip mileage wise?

This just confusing me even more, I love the Bmw but my heart leans with the KTM. I keep prolonging my purchase because of this!

Ben Iriga I love my 1190. Check it out on my channel

How? What makes it better?

Jannib Andelo Bayutas it doesn’t depreciate as much as the ktm. You do understand what that means ? Regardless of what you pay the ktm will and dies loose more money percentage wise than the Bmw . I’ve owned several of both bikes and believe me ktm louise money like a leaking tap looses water 💦

@@markshirley7639 Ouch, that's an awful fate for any KTM. I wonder why. By the way, if we talk about BMW's cars, I also wonder why they depreciate so damn quickly!

Jannib Andelo Bayutas I think a lot of us is that dealers (ktm) discount there bikes so much so that affects the price of the second hand market .

I just sold my 2016 1290SA 81% of what I bought it for brand new after clocking up 37,000 km. I bought it cheap in the middle of winter in Germany, a week before Christmas. I sold it on the third weekend after starting advertising online.

Ride it for a couple of 1000miles and you will know...

Had a R1150GS for over 3 years. That was enough for me to know. Cheers.

@@splodge5714 a completely different bike.

Ara G wot? For a “professional journalist “ to say that he had only sat once on a GS and talk shit about it vs his personal KTM leaves me the opposite opinion. It’s a completely biased fanboy review.

Trust me i've owned both and the KTM 1290 S is weigh better...im surprised from the comments!

Not really. Put on BMW rollbars and the cylinder protection and you can drop it as much as you want.

Same with BMW. Was riding -2ºC/ 28ºF this past weekend and had to lift my palms couple of times as it was getting too hot.

Hey Greg I will agree with you, my grips and heated seat past medium almost burns. Have you had any service issues with your KTM? My 2016 has be flawless so far, and I do lots of off road and long trips into the USA from Canada?

Yeah, I agree, I primarily use it to down shift, and it's smooth as butter. . . .

I have been riding BMWs with Shift Assist since 2009. With the shift assist pro it only got better. You have to be a real baffoon to not use it properly.

You're a very lucky person , regarding the zero % interest... Here in South Africa, we pay more interest on motorcycles, boats, jetski's and quads/side by sides ... cos its concededred a leisure vehicle 😒 Cheers 🇿🇦

what type of warranty did it come with? -1190 adv rider

@@1compaqedr8 2years or 24,000 miles. I didn't buy an extended warranty.

Think twice. I owned the KTM and it was indeed a fantastic driving machine. But...and I guess there is always a but...the product quality was a disaster and KTMs aftermarket support simply doesn't exist. A lot of the KTM dealers in my country are considering to drop KTM because of KTMs lousy customer care. The dealers have to pay for warranty repairs themselves if they want to take care of their customers. Never again a KTM for me.

@@johnhansson8646 dealers have to pay for warranty repairs themselves. ? Really ?

@@theonlyredspecial Yeap. My dealer has a history of taking good care of their customers and, when being denied warranty claims by KTM Scandinavia, they took some of the expenses themselves. This specific case was about wobbly rims that was far outside specification. Naturally that won't work in the long run so they eventually dropped the KTM brand. The KTM was nice when it worked but the quality was sub standard. I switched to BMW and, while they too have problems, they really take care of the customer.