BNC#6: Frans Cronje - Don’t despair, big opportunities to surface post-Election'24

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3 ай бұрын

In his keynote address at the BizNews Conference in Hermanus, SRF Chairman Dr Frans Cronje shed light on South Africa's evolving political landscape, emphasising the need for strategic analysis over simplistic labels like "positive" or "negative." Cronje delved into the country's economic trajectory, challenges faced by Eskom, and shifts in political power dynamics, including the upcoming election's potential outcomes. Despite gloomy outlooks, Cronje highlighted South Africa's resilience, with private sector interventions, moderate public opinion, and the advantages of geostrategic positioning offering avenues for growth and stability. Cronje's keynote address encapsulated his insights on navigating South Africa's complexities while remaining cautiously optimistic about its future.
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@robinelliot5003 3 ай бұрын

Am I the only one who made a little sigh relief after listening to Dr. Cronje's presentation?

@crosschrist3827 3 ай бұрын

Not at all... I believe 75% of South Africans went 😪phew with you...

@olivialagrange6614 3 ай бұрын

He has always been a voice of reason

@henno60 3 ай бұрын

Let sober minds prevail

@biko8229 3 ай бұрын

😂

@algorsmith8381 2 ай бұрын

right

@thabomazwayi4422 3 ай бұрын

Thank you very much Dr Cronje. It is white people like you that South Africa needs. Pure understanding of where we come from, where we are and where we might be heading. I strongly support your research findings, black South Africans are not anti white, power hungry people spread this notion. Black South Africans have embraced racial differences, the said reality like you said, rural South Africans have that connection to the ANC which they will never just let go, and they every right to love the ANC. However there are many people my age who don't relate to the ANC and want to see better government. Your findings echo 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦💪🏿💪🏿💪🏿

@spandel100 3 ай бұрын

👊👍

@ajswanepoel911 3 ай бұрын

Really?

@san12X 3 ай бұрын

Give this man a bells too

@LindiweShange-gn7mc 3 ай бұрын

@@ajswanepoel911 For sure

@ajswanepoel911 3 ай бұрын

How can he defend the system when all political parties in parliament gets millions in government funding paid by taxpayers whether they vote for the parties or not whether taxpayers like it or not? For 30 years parties gets the millions in government funding without having anything to show for it. They have allowed the ruling party to loot SA and they are supporting the SDG's of UNelected international organization UN, excuse the pUN agenda2030 and agenda21

@TheFinanceBud 3 ай бұрын

Listened to a few of this guys presentations and I must admit he really knows his stuff, no emotional/biased waffling but research and analysis based perceptions and arguments

@Spyk27632 3 ай бұрын

Research can also be subjective.

@truth-Hurts375 3 ай бұрын

@@Spyk27632statistics can't !!! His research is based on Statistics....listen again !!!!

@christinadewet8302 3 ай бұрын

Thank you to all the good men and woman who stayed and are still working hard to make the changes happen. Well done!

@m.t.1187 3 ай бұрын

Frans Cronje is probably the best political analyst for South Africa

@RaVeN0045 3 ай бұрын

He is one of the few people who always deliver very interesting topics.

@davidjenkins2011 3 ай бұрын

Frans you fokken legend. I needed this!

@timothycronje7974 3 ай бұрын

me too =)

@selemamolopa8487 3 ай бұрын

I love Dr Cronje; he is a realist at heart. He always breathes life into the Country I love. Thank you Dr.

@dougharris4853 3 ай бұрын

Frans combines statistics and polling to effectively bring better decision making into hard focus. Let's hope that some politicians are listening and that voters take heed and get themselves down to the polling station. South Africa's future is not for sale, it belongs to South Africans and we can make South Africa great

@bittereinder4594 2 ай бұрын

His "stats" are pulled out of his ass. According to him and his bum buddies at the IRR the ANC should have lost power around 2016

@johanwestraad28 2 ай бұрын

@@bittereinder4594 Come on Tarzan, enlighten us with the real stats!!

@sbh1311 3 ай бұрын

An absolutely riveting presentation….sitting on a cruise ship here in the Caribbean …and seeing the wastelands of these 3rd world countries and their hopeless citizens…I have a strong feeling of hope for RSA and her people….so we will return to our enclave in HERMANUS in a few days time with renewed energy , hope and a feeling of gratitude for the privilege to live in this EDEN

@Godisgood1980SA 3 ай бұрын

The wheel turns, and the ANC's time is UP!

@truth-Hurts375 3 ай бұрын

Dream on !!!! Do you really think they will step aside to a White Matric Domkop Coalition ??? They will just do the same with who ever wants to join them....Listen to Frans...and he is right...The time of a One Party Dominance is over....But your White Racist Matric Domkop John Steenhuisen will NOT sit in the hot seat....

@mitchelldenysschen3224 3 ай бұрын

And what comes after that?

@ferdivosloo341 3 ай бұрын

@@mitchelldenysschen3224another ANC

@Godisgood1980SA 3 ай бұрын

Who knows! But all I know is God is my Father

@gysgijsbers4202 3 ай бұрын

Give that man a Bells! ❤🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦

@willynelson8750 3 ай бұрын

How the ANC has fallen :( Zuma and Ramaphosa were truly failures

@martindelport8289 3 ай бұрын

Good to hear positive talk. Positive suggestions and positive facts to move forward with. Thank you Frans.

@stuartlaird-smith1522 2 ай бұрын

How can economic growth happen without law and order?

@dk.650 3 ай бұрын

It's very noticeable the anc has run out of money. Posters are mainly up in the rural areas. Hardly see any in the cities. Anc is banking on rural votes. Opposition parties need to show their faces and spread their voices there as well.

@felicitymabudusha4761 3 ай бұрын

Posters! If posters equals vote you may be right!

@1986aurora 3 ай бұрын

Anc will continue to be funded by places like Russia and iran which in my opinion should not be allowed ! Its politial interfere.

@emmanuell48 3 ай бұрын

Great analysis Frans Cronje

@andreschalkwyk7615 2 ай бұрын

The arguments for Eskom and Transnet being privatized is not what South Africans need. Yes, we are now getting power and transport restored, but at what cost, as the private market will increase the prices? Unless Eskom and Transnet places a Cap on profits. Government should produce cheap electricity and cheap transport, not charge an upfront fee for the private sector to try and profit.

@olivialagrange6614 3 ай бұрын

Always my favourite thought leader

@ZAR797 3 ай бұрын

Very good analysis as usual. Thank you Dr Cronje

@farhanatoerien3437 3 ай бұрын

Ya look he is right , to sum up rather crudely - chaos and change always bring opportunity somewhere .

@algorsmith8381 2 ай бұрын

wow now i wish i registered to vote , so i can vote for this dude with so much sense, i feel like we need someone like this especially the way the world is going these days

@marcusmoonstein242 3 ай бұрын

Some causes for hope: 1. We have a functioning political system, meaning that elections are substantially fair and the results reflect the voters wishes. 2. Organized big business is becoming more outspoken about the governments poor economic policies. 3. We have a substantially free press and freedom of expression. 4. The state has become too weak to enforce some of its more stupid ideas e.g. NHI.

@AnitaCorbett 3 ай бұрын

Fantastic information Thank you for sharing a superb integrated understanding of the current situation

@thabomazwayi4422 3 ай бұрын

Very true, knowledge is power. 400 years of history, he understands 🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦

@terrencesalzwedel6742 3 ай бұрын

Without system change nothing will improve

@thabomazwayi4422 3 ай бұрын

The man said it, things are happening exactly as they should.

@sakkiekibido1665 3 ай бұрын

This guy is saying what you wanna hear and without a doubt is easing your ears. ANC will be under 40% Between 30-39% EFF will be 10-15% MK will be 5-9% Thats your coalition above P.A will be a possible decider and the DA will be at fault, because of their big headed mentally of wanting to be the leader of MCP and not wanting P.A to be part of the MCP

@marleneclough3173 3 ай бұрын

PA are not reliable. They switch sides all the time you can't trust them sadly

@carolibouwer7170 2 ай бұрын

I’m also concerned that the formation of the MK party was strategic on the ANC’s part. Time will tell. Yet, I’ve hope for our country. South Africans across the board are of a different kind. South Africa is all we have, we just have to make it work. We simply need to realize that we can’t leave it to the politicians.

@user-rb6vg3er5l 3 ай бұрын

Coalition politics and governance will be the outcomes of the next elections.As for the multi party charter whose main aim is to outst the ANC will see service delivery suffer.The ANC has messed up big time.When one talks about South Africa being the most unequal country in the world..this should imply that coloureds indians are so heavily marginalised is as if they dont exist.Any country organisation institution corporation can be legitimately judged by how minorities are treated.

@petrabester8464 3 ай бұрын

One of the best arguments yet, thank you!

@martincronje5242 3 ай бұрын

Other than my mother and my brother, Frans is my favourite Cronje.

@DENNISMARTINTOPKIN-fz6ie 3 ай бұрын

This guy knows his politics

@mariepillai6157 Ай бұрын

Thank you, sir, for the good news, God is in control. Without God, it is impossible to please God. Believe everyone. This is God's. Doing. HALLELUJAH

@frankagliotti3626 3 ай бұрын

As always, Dr Frans Cronje is very sensible and provides rational perspective.

@crispinswainstonharrison9042 3 ай бұрын

Very similar to Zim where rural voters keep ZANU In power.

@1986aurora 3 ай бұрын

At what point though do those who oppose the likes of those parties stand up and say no more , no more failures and suffering due to the ones who vote a certain way and destroy the lives of many many others?

@lawrencemaswabi5203 3 ай бұрын

The only pollster who makes sense. The rest are just building castles in the air

@stu4umybru777 3 ай бұрын

Much needed perspective. I'm so tired of opposition party campaigns and the media framing this coming election as if it hangs on a knife edge and depending on which way it falls our country will either go on to true reform or become irretrievably lost. It may do but that is not a guarantee and we shouldn't miss the woods for the trees.

@johnlighton7025 3 ай бұрын

Thank you sir. Much needed words at the moment..

@violethart4828 3 ай бұрын

👍Best

@craigvoortman3917 3 ай бұрын

Brilliant talk! Congrats

@nielvanzyl 2 ай бұрын

Thank you Frans, excellent analysis

@vleiratfilms2020 3 ай бұрын

Not sure Hermanus which is perhaps the victim of its own success, appeals. But what Frans Cronje is saying certainly does. The fragmentation of our country he mentions bubbles beneath every public denial and media propaganda message. South Africans really have to rev up to be enthusiastic about national stuff .. only the springboks get that. As communities become more clearly identified and cooperation is seen as an advantage, I think we’ll see some interesting changes in our social political and economic lifestyles. I like what this man is not saying. 🤔

@michaeljcoleman7126 3 ай бұрын

I think most 'die hards' who still maintain their roots is this wonderful wonderful country, will be hoping that the 2 political parties, who openly advocate hatred & violence to achieve their goals, will not get enough support in the upcoming elections to be of any threat to a possible coalition government 🤔🤔

@1986aurora 3 ай бұрын

Thats exactly what they want. Thats only reason anc have agreed to work with certain other parties. They all there for the opportunity to get their big gat greedy evil fingers over the finances south africans afford them.

@allisonfarah5146 2 ай бұрын

As always, a great presentation.

@innovruptly1769 3 ай бұрын

Exactly, anything goes! Private security = mafia-style pay for protection. The object of a Police Service is that Every citizen, regardless of their creed and means, are served by SAPS without fear nor favour. If all the corrupt capital was diverted away from Private Security Mafia-style operations and ploughed into SAPS, there might be something to be proud of. Men and Women who are bound to serve by a common Oath, not incentivised by Profit! Sure, private security has its place BUT venturing into the public protection and roles bordering on National key points, that is a stretch too far. There is a desparate need, regardless of current circumstances, for State Run services. The Liberal approach is to ensure that the State coffers divert funds from the Nation into a few private hands.

@HarmonicRezolution 3 ай бұрын

I think it's a bit naive to think of people serving their country, not profit, when we live in such a non-homogenous country. About the only thing where we see eye to eye is rugby and making money for oneself. Profit is merely the ability to take care of your family, or pay your own rent, or afford a girlfriend. That is glue. The sad truth is that people do not put massive personal effort in unless there is a personal incentive. A shared incentive is enjoyed by the lazy, not the hard workers, who quickly become lazy when they find no personal benefit from their personal sacrifice while the lazy enjoy their fruits of labour.

@joecruiser 3 ай бұрын

You need to awaken to True Harsh Reality, of SA today. Any hopes of a UNITED SA is Dim. 😂

@scott701230 3 ай бұрын

Yes, nothing had changed since legalised piracy of first Joint stock company, 400 years ago such as the Dutch East Indian company (VOC); East Indian Company, De Beers and Anglo American that colonised and formed brutal monopolies. I like the cheekiness: we can extract favourable trade agreements by extorting and exploiting the geographic position of Cape of Good hope from the USA and the Chinese.

@grantvanzyl5239 3 ай бұрын

Interesting deliverance! Thank you Dr

@user-nv8th5mn9u 3 ай бұрын

So impressed. This sounds like reality and makes sense. Hallelujah. Never underestimate the brain power and common sense in good old S A.

@minakuru5045 3 ай бұрын

I counted at least 10 burps from Frans Cronje's generous lunch today. He speaks with such confidence and belief, that one would believe he has a crystal ball to predict the future, with guaranteed accuracy. His been paid to send a postive meesage. My "crystal ball" says there is going to be unwanted violence during and after this election.

@bradleyrowlett2032 3 ай бұрын

I would tend to agree with you somewhat. There is too much at stake for the ANC and I am battling to believe they will be gracious in defeat and simply hand over the keys. SA also has the MK party to deal with which is another story in itself. Eish!

@thabomazwayi4422 3 ай бұрын

The man is not full of resentment. He says it like it is, no blaming or shaming. 💯💯

@obySedgefieldgemofourgardenrou 3 ай бұрын

Just looking at the maritime traffic passing our coast is scary,yet few know about it,its too far out, sit up rsa,shake the gunk from your heads,roll up your sleeves,get stuck in,thanks doc,nice presentation,thanks

@rosalielockets9668 3 ай бұрын

Please tell us more for these who don’t live on the coast line.

@obySedgefieldgemofourgardenrou 3 ай бұрын

OK I do speak to correction but look up cape coast maritime traffic,I saw this on another mobile app,from the beach we dont see all the ships passing by,they,re too far out,you will see more with binoculars,the app shows it ,all. This increase is due to the risk factor of going via suez canal,Persian gulf region are traveling via the cape to Europe,its a lot safer,but further ,however ocean currents do help a lot,keep well rgds

@rurikmckaiser543 2 ай бұрын

Well putt!!!

@newgrowth4486 22 күн бұрын

For the already wealthy, connected, in the loop and fore warned. 😊

@user-sl2mh8bk5x 2 ай бұрын

It's fair to say that Frans Cronje lives in a dream world. Unfortunately, his insights are a reflection of millions of others.

@billyb7469 Ай бұрын

South Africa will take years to repair

@ajswanepoel911 3 ай бұрын

What's your views on system change. There's an option vote for system change to a directelections system where we can elect our leaders individually making parties irrelevant. There are new parties not small parties with fresh new and current ideas. This is what SA desperately needs right now. The political system is not working. Ot may be working for those who benefit from it. It doesn't work for everyone though.

@charmainefrancis7953 3 ай бұрын

♥

@ajswanepoel911 3 ай бұрын

Systemchange

@user-yp1pu8kj7p 3 ай бұрын

Thats true

@colinraath9179 3 ай бұрын

Meyerton in midvaal also under da. It works well😊

@287777777 3 ай бұрын

Please let it happen

@crosschrist3827 3 ай бұрын

Oh yeah!!

@joecruiser 3 ай бұрын

Dream on. 😁

@hxlfnote_2816 Ай бұрын

His logic is sound.

@pippadora 3 ай бұрын

I know for a fact that Eskom is still selling energy to Mozambique - most new housing up for rent in Matola, Moz , are stating on their rental/description of amenities show that the energy provider is Eskom. Proof is there for all to see... shameful, considering that just over the border back in SA, we suffer daily LS for up to 5h daily....😮

@IAMALLMUSIC 3 ай бұрын

Good to have a refreshingly optimistic take about our beloved country. However, the potential downside of him being wrong is great, dire in fact. A talk like this tends to placate the discerning among us, lulling ppl into the sense that "everything will be OK". Just look at the looting that took place in KZN 2 years ago. Imagine that on a more national scale or even half of that? For anyone considering his talk, consider this, what is the cost of what he is saying being wrong?

@louizadutoit5427 3 ай бұрын

Create " Hiper Inflation to...." They are already creating hiper inflation !!! Whwn last dit you pay for any thing in SA every single thing is 40%+ up in the last year.

@madeleinedonaldson4422 3 ай бұрын

DA are the one party actually getting things done.Go to the Western Cape Everything works smoothly.Huge difference

@newgrowth4486 22 күн бұрын

I think I heard something similar about Mugabe. Lot of probably’s

@wvbosch 3 ай бұрын

Too late for SA. Nothing will change. To understand what is happening in SA you need to understand African culture. But I can understand why the minority of South Africans are hoping.

@N55Venter 3 ай бұрын

honestly, what are you on about??

@joecruiser 3 ай бұрын

@bosch Fully agree. After 30 years of SA complacency, denial and false hope, them chicks are only Now Finally coming home for the Feast ..... Ye ain't seen nothing yet 😂

@wvbosch 3 ай бұрын

@@N55Venter I don't understand your question. What am I on about... I am on about that SA that will become just another African failed state, some would argue it is already the case. If you live in SA and go to any city or town and not comprehend the decay, then I would like to understand where you stay. To fix things will take decades, that is if you can change the voting culture in SA, which I don't believe can be changed. So that is what I am on about. Stating things that I have seen and experienced, not being paralyzed by analysis which people get paid to do.

@allisonfarah5146 2 ай бұрын

Didn't you hear a word he said? Jeez!

@wvbosch 2 ай бұрын

@@allisonfarah5146 I heard everything perfectly.

@boerelegioenmedia1038 2 ай бұрын

I am of the opinion that community structures will at the end control everyrhing within that community. The roll of the government becomes irrelevant and will have to aggresively oppose all private initiatives with laws and new laws and by laws, in order to stay in power, resulting in making citizens the enemy of the state.That prepares the table for conflict.

@willembeckmann2 3 ай бұрын

Are you talking about Rob Hersov quoting R1.3 Trillion rand available in the Banks?

@yusufsalie47 2 ай бұрын

Please no violence

@mtblover 3 ай бұрын

👏👏👏👏👏👌🍻

@michaelvanzyl8749 3 ай бұрын

The Reserve bank is a private institution The monetery system relys on credit creation banks are tight because of dire debt conditions .The issue at hand for South Africa is that the market is looking at near zero persent intrest rates and have urealistic high rates Sa farmers are in deep trouble cuase of deflation in produce prices. High energy input costs regulations and destructive policys are putting strain on the economy The way i see it is the banks are in very bad place if money creation expands poor people will struggel to keep up with inflasion If banks keep tight the economy will slow leading to mass insolvencyś The policy makers act in hinde sight this time they will respond when it is to late they also risk the era they expanded created bubbels in asset prices if this is marked to market the banks cannot trust the colateral on their books wich makes for very intresting times Hungry poor people will not be of moderate opinion

@neilels4208 3 ай бұрын

No government in the history of South Africa has been able to teach our children to read and write. 80% of our 11year olds cannot read and write with comprehension after 4 years of schooling. What jobs will these 50million citizens who struggle to read and write do in our modern country?

@juniornam1186 3 ай бұрын

16:17 That's a ridiculous suggestion we would eviscerate our baseline support as FLMSA parties that generally care about popular genuine support.

@user-yp1pu8kj7p 3 ай бұрын

By next year it will be a billion.....illegal immigrants

@peterprentice9179 3 ай бұрын

you work for the media?

@janpretorius9788 3 ай бұрын

Normal based on what

@Debzan-dx2nk 3 ай бұрын

South Africans muct be prepared to advance our democracy with better social strategies....we will always have so many people with us,building stronger communities will help us fight irrational coalitions...broaden what the ANC has done ,invoke less militancy with more sociable strategies. The call is to better the public institutions, transport and unions to be less politically equipped ,grow the public service, post offices..Sassa to be more sociable entities..and more competitive..artful or helpful broaden their capacities to interact as services where possible. We dont want another technocratic empire reaching in to use government services for their own political intrigues.

@hermansplombaard9089 3 ай бұрын

#LuisterLeerDinkDoen

@ajswanepoel911 3 ай бұрын

Why are defending the very system that's a threat to SA existence. What do you have against systemchange. You're a doctor of studying humans.

@mariepillai6157 Ай бұрын

All things are possible to hom who believe. MARK 9.23

@nielwilliams4687 3 ай бұрын

If the ANC can rid itself of cadre deployment and fire all the corrupt ministers etc, a coalition with the DA coalition could be our best solution. The problem is, who would be president ?

@crosschrist3827 3 ай бұрын

J. Steenhuizen

@stefanroets1770 3 ай бұрын

The ANC is incapable of renewal. They have allowed corruption to become so entrenched, that ridding themselves if it now would be the death of the party. The rot is not in a limb, it is in the bloodstream.

@nielwilliams4687 3 ай бұрын

@@crosschrist3827 Absolutely, but will the black South Africans accept that ?

@rosalielockets9668 3 ай бұрын

@@nielwilliams4687Will the ANC accept that, I think not.

@nielwilliams4687 3 ай бұрын

@@rosalielockets9668 Hopefully, they will have too. But then the ANC may split in half, with half joining the DA coalition and the rest (Mashatile) joining the EFF.

@user-yp1pu8kj7p 3 ай бұрын

Only Action SA can sort the country eith illegal immigrants more than locals surprising literally

@joecruiser 3 ай бұрын

Me thinks Alec must maybe consider True Reality in this series / show.....

@stjohnthebaptist3 2 ай бұрын

Only Christianity is true❤😊❤

@charlesskeen8485 3 ай бұрын

For whom? For the rich fat cats only.😂😂

@shivashambo007 3 ай бұрын

pat yourselves on the back while you care and enjoy the ride

@skywalker7778 3 ай бұрын

Bravo Dr Cronje! Spoken like a true South African. Every South African now needs hope more than ever and pray God they will vote the anc into the sewers, then revitalize their beautiful country.

@ajswanepoel911 3 ай бұрын

More like a traitor to SAns defending the very political system dragging people down and making the poor. If we don't change the illegal and unconstitutional electoral system as declared by the concourt back in 2020 even backed by CJ Raymond Zondo then SA won't survive what is coming.incl. the constitution with all it Trojan horses and bill of rights.

@nkululekoshangase5942 2 ай бұрын

This guy lives in lala land

@sakkiekibido1665 3 ай бұрын

85% of voters would wanna scrap all racial state procurement policies😂😂😂 DR Frans stop making things up.

@andilengcobo9825 3 ай бұрын

I'm sure Mr. Cronje's audience is reassured by what he has to say but this made me nauseous. The "privatized" South Africa he's describing would be a barren landscape of inescapable hellscape of slavery for the poor.

@Darren_S 3 ай бұрын

Lol

@mojokanjani6123 3 ай бұрын

This one is a British and American Pon, he i our Sourh African Nalvany, pon of tge Western Oppressors

@SaffaInNewZealand 3 ай бұрын

Animal Farm 😂

@ferdiewiese735 3 ай бұрын

😶🫣🤥

@minakuru5045 3 ай бұрын

I disagree with most of the comments below. I think the burping Dr Frans Cronje came from a generous lunch with the ANC, where they lined his pocket to do PR for the ANC and South Africa.

@michaelvanzyl8749 3 ай бұрын

The arrogance and conceit of a well formed argument you gonna hope to get these outcomes vs what is coming to you Great adversity is coming to this country from which the leaders will come to give birth to a more permanent system

@stjohnthebaptist3 2 ай бұрын

The DA needs to win with 55%+🏅 🏆

@johanwestraad28 2 ай бұрын

Eben Etsebeth has a better chance of giving birth to quadruplets.

@luamboramarumo4249 Ай бұрын

Biased, Dr Cronje. I suggest that Dr. Cronje must go learn leadership and possibly gain some political insights about South African majority voter, from the unbiased, and straight talker, Mr. Wiese. Mr Wiese is a very relevant person whom Dr. Cronje can learn politics and how to tell the truth. I consider Mr. Wiese a true living library that the majority of polititians in South Africa could learn and gain some insights to be utilized for crafting our country's policies directions.

@joecruiser 3 ай бұрын

Witness Frans and Co getting lost and trapped in his own little inconsequential details. 😂

@shaunnathan5684 3 ай бұрын

I dont get the bs this dude is going on about . The a--holes regurgitating all this verbal diarrhea all use the words probably ,could've would've, should've. The know it alls tell you how where and when but still dont know anything about what must be done.ALL GUESS WORK

@janpretorius9788 3 ай бұрын

Bull