This wasn't Fischer.

A true Guiness, right alongside Budd and Coors.

A true Guinness, let's hope he doesn't get drank

God I hope I can drink one tru Guinness in my life.

A true guinness, almost as much as hitler

no he wasn't, you are just a drug addict not a genius

I started playing bongcloud all the time and it's funny how similar low-rated players have no idea how to respond (1000-1200). I'm winning more games with it, lol.

This isn't a bongcloud opening

​@@aliceroberts5928 okay sure it's king F7 instead of E7, you get the idea dude. It's moving your king up to the 7th rank in the beginning of the game as a way of saying to your opponent "you're no threat to me"

@@amsbeats841 By that logic, a king david sicilian is a bongcloud to. That's not how openings work.

Bongcloud: Fischer Variation

He was so good man.. He wanted to win like that. He was mocking the game itself

@@Ostathis I think from the Fischer interviews I heard in his later/post career, he just hated how solved the game had become (or at least how memorization focused it was). So he would purposefully break known lines early in the game to force creative problem solving (where he thrived). Once he could reach a totally novel game state, he was comfortable.

@@tomwallen7271 we must have watched the same interviews :) He was something else. His way of thinking was really meta. Thats what i meant when i said he was mocking the game !

Jazzy fingers, as they say. All over the place. ;3 I love the moves! ^_^

It's the boxing equivalent of showboating before the match.

@@orlock20 except that the match is already fully underway and he's still running around making faces and punching himself in the face

no, it's a bad opening. put two strong humans against each other instead of one strong human and one cheater with an engine running next to the game, and the one who uses this nonsense is at a distinct disadvantage.

@@jedinxf7 You're assuming it was a cheater with an engine. But an engine would never, ever, make that opening. There's too many moves here that simply aren't engine moves for it to be an engine. I honestly think it was Fisher.

Congratulations, you're an ignorant imbecile...

@@philsurtees = made known who he is

you dont play chess do you ?

I agree. That's what a true master does! All masters at anything are technically bored - so forcing your opponent to play the game properly is appropriate.

Believe it or not of Fischer mistaken play. Against short if you heard the name Cris Ramayrat it was him playing on ICC before

Rock

Hehe. Accent. :3

I figured rook on D7 to move to G7; next the black pawn. Then, move it down under diaganoly to the bishop, at G4. Then, to make checkmate with RC8 to G8, then bring it right in front of the king (if it's still stuck there), to G5. (;

bishOPPP

I love this accent

.....there were other mad chess players tho.....

@@grantross2609 .....well name some....

You Say " crazy genius". Otherwise I wouldn't have agreed with you. I would have added " or a degenerated artist"

@@TerryMcQ79 I mean magnus for example has had some pretty interesting games. Eg. the bongcloud attack against Wesley So and winning, playing f3 (the worst possible first move) against Duda and drawing and almost certainly a bunch of ones I don't even know of.

@@Susikohmelo Magnus is a big Fischer fan and is well aware of Fischer's disdain for memorization and theory. That's why you see him try and innovate every once in a while, but he's well aware of the sad reality that you can't be a top chess player without very good memory which you need to use to memorize countless matches and endless theory.

Because he was better at chess...? Sound logic.

@@strangething4322 Chess is the best way to acquire logic in sims, so yea

@@squirrelhallowino29 Chess IQ doesn’t equate to IQ. If that were the case, chess GM’s would be running and planning military operations. Sure, you have to be able to do many things in chess like looking at patterns, lines of attack, be spatially aware, etc. But it wouldn’t apply to much else

@@mythic6632 i was talking about sims, you know the game? a meme? But even so, why does being a general and reading the art of war would make him more high IQ? War is literally humankind being retarded as usual.

Never understood why people equate chess to IQ either.. it’s literally a board game. A fun one yes but being good at the board game life doesn’t make your life any better nor does being good at battleship make you a 5 star general lol

"rapid king development" - love it! :D

this is true in life and politics also

XD I see what you both did there. (;

The Gorn hahahahahahaha only to prove one thing. Men are always thinking about one thing.

@@jjcnyc6313 its almost like humans need to reproduce so they dont go extinct.

😂😂😂😂

yep! he did like being a top

that was like a bonghurricane

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He wants to avoid memorize chess

Fischer had no part in any of this.

I've heard that story and I believe it. This was Fischer based on that evidence and the fact that no engine would have opened in such a fashion.

Nigel Short himself also later stated publicly on more than one occasion that he came to know that he was mistaken and that this was not Fischer that he played in these games.

oh the mythbuilding of the early era of the internet :D

@@nqhndl guess you didn't put 2 and 2 together

@@jeffostrander2082 guess rumours and guesses don't count for "2 and 2" for me, but hey, nothing wrong with you

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Seconded. 3 years later. The Mad King Defense is perfect.

Was it a really a defense or a gambit?

@@jeremiahshine It's called a "Joke-opening" in chess slang sometimes and in general would be classified as irregular by the ECO under A00.

@@guthax30 I understand the oddness. I asked if it was technically a "defense" or a "gambit".

@@guthax30 *"The Jokers opening" what do ya think?

Bongcloud defence*

Excellent! The best comment I've read in a long time! That WOULD be the greatest excuse - "Yes, ok, I did lose - but to Bobby Fischer!" Good one.

😂😂😂😂

A typical "Limes" they always make excuses for their losing ability.

@JediNxf7 You are also hilariously ignorant, by claiming that the rematch in 1992 was the "Disappointment of the century", go check how their first match went then. Nobody but yourself thought it was a Disappointment. Also like the guy was saying, Nigel thought it was Fisher, because the reply was instant, INSTANT. This generation is marked by idiots like you who denegrade every human achievement or capacity and claim conspiracies, who do you think is more believable, Nigel or a nobody?

@@wizzi11able ?

@Peter Evans thank you, I didn't know that they had shown it was him.

@Peter Evans Oh wow, they looked 7 years into future in 1994, when they investigated a game played in 2001 on a chess server opened in 1995. Truly it was one hell of an investigation. This was not Fischer, as fun as it is to think so, the idea has been throughout debunked. Nigel Short has himself said it was not Fischer. Fischer denied ever playing online. The moves were very similar to a chess engine and the guy operating the website spent time tracking down the player and claims it was some guy from Canada, using a chess engine. There is no mystery. The information is readily available, but no one is interested in redactions or corrections. Just in fantastical stories.

@Peter Evans I'm not surprised.

@@Darenimo its funny how neither of you provided a link backing up your chosen story.

@Peter Evans Easily understandable what he is saying. He's saying your claim they proved the game was played form Fisher's location back in 1994 of this game played in 2000 is slightly implausible (or rather utter BS as it would require time traveling).

@@iiLivingMeme That's Carlsen's improved Bong Cloud.

@@zombieperson3695 Magnus' improvement was the c3 move so he could transfer his queen around. I'm pretty sure Bong Cloud is just 1 e4 e5 2. Ke2

@@iiLivingMeme That's the transvestite ;)

The bling blaow Bobby bong cloud

Bong cloud is king to second rank on move 2 - doesn’t matter if d, e or f.

@Peter Evans complete horseshit. Ask Nigel if he believes (now) if this was Fischer, this is all documented and online that he knows it wasn't him.

@Peter Evans as far as an engine not playing the king's moves.. correct. A human played the first moves of the game and the engine took over. And for the record, Fischer would never have played like this, he was a perfectionist and would not have played substandard moves.

​@Peter Evans You know a person can just play the opening moves and then let the computer take over right? Also ICC didn't save IP address info on its servers so I don't know who you heard that from, but it's wrong.

@Jack Wehrung there's only one Martin Whalley rated in US Chess and that person played from 93 thru 08, with a current rating of under 1900. So I am calling BS on this story.

@@LeslieJayBoschPhoto Why? He was 16 in '83 so he was 26 in '93 what's your point?

Very creative I had the feeling from the get go his king would be ok dancing around the board I think it distracted his opponent wishing he could make a decisive counter move which he was not able to kind of funny

Fischer not accept ur beer🤣🤣😇😜

Hold my Rivotril*

No way he was that good at his age. Even Tal wasn't that good. This is probably some dude using an engine to popularize chess. Makes silly moves to confuse audiences but there were way too many computer recommend best moves played by fake Bobby.

@@akashsinha2880 just it really was him. You know - that guy is known for being good in playing chess, so he sometimes must have been playing ;-)

@@akashsinha2880 it was Fischer

strange, i never heard the "K"

yes, only Fisher would throw someone off their "game" and make them actually play, taunting and still win. It's such a joy to see him play, and such a tragedy that the man hates the game because of what it has devolved into--rote memorization. It may as well be classical piano, for all the creativity chess typically allows.

Rebel engine beat Viswanathan Anand three years prior to this and thats what we are probably seeing here. Few weird moves and after that engine takes the wheel.

@@TrippyDork But was Rebel engine running on a supercomputer back then to be Anand? It's a blitz game you need a real fast computer. Also people that cheat like to show off and so the same thing, why would they just stop after playing Nigel?

@@LordPrometheous I play some Classical piano, and comparing chess to it is actually spot on. At one time both required creativity, ingenuity, and even some genius. It just isn't the same today for both. People watch all these videos about kids who play these Classical songs -- and while it's impressive and takes intelligence/dedication, it's not some miraculous feat. Much like modern chess, it's just lots of practice and memorization. And I guess that explains why I lost my passion for both. Fischer really made it more of an art than anyone else I ever watched.

Them early moves would crack anyone up. I'm laughing at chess opening moves pleased someone else finds it as funny.

i just won a game like that online... i didnt know about this tho i was just trolling and end up wining.

Watch Nakamura's 6 knight checkmate

😂 😂 😂 😂

It was very interesting for sure I can imagine what was going through his opponents mind like how can I lose this game but sure enough 🤩

Gotta get Fischer Random more publicity!

He would gave gotten all the subscribers

Probably banned very fast I think xD

lmao if you don't think this opening isn't well thought out, you didn't watch how black fucked white's positioning with purely waiting moves, leading to a safe king on black side, and a prevented castle on white's.

@@StoufSto blacks opening is terrible. There is a reason why that kind of opening is never ever played in competetive games, neither by computers or humans.

😆😂🤣🤣🤣

The famous "King Walk". Where would it rank here?

It was a timed game before every GM had learned all the odd opening tricks and variations like this. This opening if played right is still strong in class player blitz chess IMO - create a bizzare (disadvantageous but complicated) opening and hope to come out on top.

Destin65 I agree a player like Fischer would have had a great deal of resentment and contempt for all of these modern Grandmasters who study test engines and memorize openings and paper 2500+ ratings. And I think Fischer showed it pretty convincingly in this game with Short complete disregard and utter disrespect for modern opening Theory with those King moves. If anything that looks like textbook consistent Fischer contempt that he had for most of the world for better or worse.

It was Bobby Fisher I am sure. He did it in 23 moves!

If I'm not mistaken Fischer did respond to this one with a categorical denial. I'm remembering reading something on Winter's "Chess Notes" chess history and information website. I may be confusing it with something else though.

No one is saying fischer couldn't do it. We just don't know if it was really him, or just an engine.

@schindler91589 well someone sure is passionate about this topic.

Me2 :D

Why,?

Sounds like you also should have followed him outside the house every once in a while…

Dance like a knight, sting like a queen.

Mandela Effect Comedy Ali Bombaye!

The picture very much IS Bobby Fischer. It would seem he was already in Japan fighting extradition to the US for charges of violating sanctions against what was Yugoslavia at the time he played the 20 year anniversary of his '72 championship revisited. Fischer-Spassky II Sure paid a lot more. It was $5 million split two-thirds to winner, one-third to loser...So, He violated the sanctions even after the FBI said,"Don't do it". He said screw it and he won the match and the Serbian Billionaire engaging in ethnic cleansing and needing the positive attention of the "World Championships"(it wasnt sanctioned but Fischer said it was a deal breaker and so that is what they called it. So, he died in Japan a few years later of syphilis gained from endless nights with young Japanese 'ladies of the night'! The picture has him at late 50's, possibly 60.

Martin Whalley very little of what you wrote is true.

@@martinwhalley3286 While might not be true, its still quite entertaining. Nice story, bro.

xD rofl

@@KillingfalkONroblox ok patzer

Watching Carlsen's games gives the same excitement as kissing ur sister

I think it's just a move that doesn't necessarily make sense to a human. The computer will try to find the best move under the assumption that it will be playing against the best move.

@@fuckgoogle7314 I've never seen an engine reccomend anything close to this.

What about MC?

@@magnafire1 😂 LMAO

it was short losing against an engine user

@@arkos1179 How are we to believe your claims, when you can't use basic punctuation, mate!

@@arkos1179 in early 2000s.. in blitz? uhhh.... no.. not even possible

@@mj2719 why

@@arkos1179Maybe the engines of the time did not have the processing power to calculate moves within the blitz time frame.

I call it...the Dancing King...i do it all the time! ;)

Wayward king seems appropriate?

thank you so much for this intel Bobby.. I would be happy to know how you knew this was Fischer when this person did not play under any name? You also say Fischer denied playing Short in a radio interview.. Do we have any source for this so that I can look it up? Thanks once again.

I don't believe it was Fischer. I used to think it might be since lots of people were talking about him on ICC at that time and speculating that it might be, but after hearing the interview where Fischer denied it, I stopped believing it. I believe that I played the "Fischer guest" that Nigel Short played. I guess it's possible it could've been someone else, but the way Short described how this person talked is very similar to how he talked to me too. He also played the same openings where he’d start with something like 1.f3 and move his King around several times. And I remember after he played me he’d play other people too and I’d follow him to see the games. When he played GMs and IMs I think he always (or usually) requested that they log in as a guest. Maybe he didn’t want to attract too much attention. He must’ve been willing to play me since I used to say things like “Fischer is the greatest of all time!” I remember the excitement I had when I thought I was talking with Fischer and playing him. Here's a link to part of an interview where Fischer denied playing chess online and against Nigel Short. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/i9NhfcxqsrvVl6M.html And here's a link about the rumor that Fischer played on ICC: en.chessbase.com/post/the-third-coming-of-bobby-fischer- At the bottom of the page, you can click "Here are the games" to see other games that "Fischer" played against two other strong players on ICC.

Bobby Hall fischer denied being jewish and being involved in the COG. So his his word was hardly worth anything

Did you win?

Bobby Hall He never really denied it. He just kinda downplayed it with response like, “he can say whatever he wants (referring to short)” He said that to either save Short some face or he just didnt want the media to be all up in his chess business again. Imagine the consequences for him if he did confirm it.

Ya, it was a real hammer of the gods alright

Obviously it's not a real Fischer's game lol

@@Rastoropny I think it is. Engines back then were not sophisticated enough to calculate this fast. Beyond that, many of the moves were not top engine moves. Add the fact that the opponent immediately knew the year when Fischer played an obscure match against a specific GM, and I think it's pretty likely to be Fischer.

@@SpiceWeazel Even Nigel Short retracted his statement and no longer claims it was Fischer. This comment section is full of idiots....

@@Rastoropny Why do you think it's not Fischer?

Unfortunately Fischer also disappointed the world by absconding from the 1975 championship. What a great match that would have been.

Indeed seethegalaxy, the chess world was greatly diminished by Fischers absence. Perhaps the same great mind that made him a prodigy, also was the main cause of what appears to us as his "erratic" behavior. Genius is hard to be contained by the mundane and padantic. It has a "mind of its own" so to speak. it is easy to say what might have been, even harder to know it...Garry

No. Fischer hated chess openings and he was saying that those are destroying chess. Nothing strange in what he did here and in many other games. And I love it.

You can call it "Fischer's lack of a defense for the sake of his own entertainment"

this

@JediNxf7 did they sell Gambit tiger in iceland though?

@JediNxf7 oh right lol thats irrelevant if it wasn't him. Good point

@JediNxf7 Source for this.

If it were an engine wouldn’t someone recognize the crazy opening? How many chess engines are there? Wouldn’t it be possible to find out which one was used?

Good comment. It is possibly the case that at the time these games were being played Short was not publicly speculating the identity of his opponent. Therefore his opponent may not have known that he was being thought of as Fischer, making the Acevedo response all the more impressive. I really don't know enough about this to be sure though.

He grabbed the immediate psychological advantage

Bongcloud: Gambit Tiger Variation.

U mean they gonna play bongcloud like how hikaru and magnus played.