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Bob, make a pattern board and use paper to see the whole pattern. Have a 30 in cardboard circle with an 18in hole for the core. A pallet works, staple the paper to it. Take it out to 50 yds to see what you have. Center the circle on the center of the pattern. Then count core and inside the 30in ring.

I make and load my own bismuth. Mostly 4’s,5’s, and 6’s. They hammer ducks, specks, and snows. I won’t go back to steel again. Plus making it myself I get the cost down significantly. Just started loading TSS duplex loads so I’m excited to see how they perform on geese this season

My oldest gun is a 1963 Manufrance Robust side by side. And the fact that bismuth exists shines a very bright light on the gun's future. In fact, it shines a light on all my guns' future, since most of them cannot fire steel

Tungsten is definitely the way to go for the small bores like 410 and 28 ga and can produce some spectacular kills in the larger guns. That said, at the ranges most birds are shot at, it usually isn't necessary in the larger gauges and due to its tendency to pattern extremely tight even with open chokes, it can make hitting close in birds much more difficult. Bismuth is an excellent substitute for lead. It's nearly as dense as plated lead, responds to chokes like lead, and is softer than any barrel steel so it's safe for older fixed choke guns. This past year was the first year I got serious about loading bismuth and I found that a 2 3/4" shell loaded with 1 1/4 oz #3.5 or 4 plated sphero bismuth from ballistic products at 1450 fps was an absolute duck smashing beast of a load out to about 50-60 yards when shot through a Carlson extended IM choke. If you couldn't kill with that combo, it's probably best to hang it up. Word of advice for those new to bismuth. Bismuth loads typically use a lead target style wad. The petals on the shot cup are thin and damage easily and in loadings over 1 1/8 oz, the top of the shot column is unprotected from the bore. Things like porting, wad grabber chokes ie patternmaster, Carlson Cremator, ect that were optimized for performance with the very thick wads used in steel and other nontox shot will damage some of that exposed bismuth and you are left with a considerably less effective round. You have to think old school for it to work the best. No porting, no wad stoppers, and smooth gradual constriction. Do that and you'll have a winner. Steel is simply a horrible ballistic material any way you cut it, regardless of how fast it's going or how it's shaped which is why I will never go back to using unless it's a last resort.

My guess is if you hunt every weekend during the season it might not be worth it, if you miss a bird or two not a big deal. If you travel to hunt, or only go out once or twice, it might be worth it to make each shot count.

I will tell you. Tungsten and bismuth has improved my kill ratio over misses tremendously. I focus alot more and make my shots count

I primarily hunt ruffed grouse and having good ammo is a huge difference. It took me a couple of seasons to get picky about ammo and I run #5 bismuth prairie storm, way less cripples and when I go pheasant hunting sometimes I'll come across ducks in small ponds and it drops big mallards just fine.

I’ve been shooting Boss #4 3” copper plated bismuth for 3 years now and love it.! Im able to take all ducks and geese with this load, it’s my absolute go to.! I shoot Boss Tom for turkey.

I buy a box or two of tungsten every year for turkeys then have the leftovers in my bag when snow goose hunting for those days when they just are not finishing. has been a hunt saver a couple times. number 6 tungsten will reach out and touch them a good distance.

Im switching my goose loads to bismuth. I shot a goose over the weekend that had 6 pellets in the breast and when i was breasting it all were in the meat, none passed through bone and into vitals. Shooting 3 1/2 BBB. The only reason it went down was i broke a wing.

Nothing better than watching Bob "pund some wood" xd

Keep up the video! Love these off season testing and education video! I think it’s crazy how much people spend on gun and don’t buy quality ammo. The gun and ammo work together. There is a lot of good mid grade ammo. Like to see some choke compare video. I have a muller choke. Would like to see how some of the higher chokes compare.

I would love to see some patterning videos with the stoeger and carlson cremator combo

I could talk for days about this. I have shot them all and best answer I have is under 20 yards, all ammunition is equal. Steel, bismuth, titanium... unattainium, it’s all the same at short distance. At 35 yards super fast ammunition loses a significant amount of energy and slows down dramatically. I think the corporate marketing machine preys heavily on waterfowl hunters. Best thing a Fowler can do is pattern his/her shotgun at the distances they expect to shoot. If expensive ammo shoots well, use it. I’ve seen guys shoot greybox ammo from Walmart and just slaughter birds. I’ve also seen guys shoot hyper expensive ammo and miss everything. Patterning is the key to success.

Good vid bro keep it up can you please do more pigeon hunting vids

use the stoeger with the recoil weight in the butt stock. those would kick way less .

I'd argue the expensive loads are just perfect for kids. Especially in the 410 category. You can get your kids in the field and hunting with a 410 at a younger age and get them the ability of performance loads with lower recoil. Get them hooked a little younger.

From experience yes. Less cripples and follow up shots are money. Comes out similar in the end really if u make the switch. Boss fan boy I am not but I won’t go back to steel. All you need is 2 3/4 #5 with a Carlson cremator long range

As a miner you have to consider the price of the metal if prices are high you will pay high pay attention in the off season and watch precious metal prices it will save you a few bucks ….. awesome video bob

So bismuth is just a little more dense than steel with lead a good bit more dense and tungsten being a lot more dense than the others, almost twice the density of bismuth.

You should also experiment with Winchesters blindside and the hex shot just to see if it is better or not

Bobby these videos are great! Keep up the great work👊🏻 my thoughts, I've shot lots of black cloud and tungsten and steel shells, and I can promise you, the tungsten has insane better knock down power!

I’ve killed turkeys with target loads. You don’t need a 20 dollar shell. Get a tight choke and decent shell

I am really missing Them

Havnt seen you look for any big Kansas sheds yets

You should look into T shot and BBB shot for Coyote loads.

Cool video. Would love to see a waterfowl hunt with the stoeger.

I've been trying different loads last couple seasons but I always fall back to 3" 2s black cloud

Tungsten makes a 20 gauge in 3 inch chamber equal in range to kill like a 12 gauge on the largest geese and Sandhill cranes so if you own a 20 gauge use tungsten. The price you pay of using a lively handling shotgun and lower recoil than 3 inch and 3.5 inch 12 gauge loads.

If you have a six and a half pound light 12 gauge using 3 inch tungsten also makes a lively handling shotgun as deadly as you need with acceptable recoil.

I bought a box of Federal Bismuth #5s last fall mid pheasant season. Boy have I been missing out! I was hitting pheasants so hard.

My favorite goose load is tungsten 3 1/2 6s

Hey bob I shoot Monarch shells and Kentfast steel shells and those shells are amazing you should do a pattering video with those

I’ll save everyone time. Yes they are worth it.

If you are flighting ducks just use 3.5mm steel shot ;you just have to get the pattern width right .Decoyed geese use 3.8mm steel. Flighting geese 4.5mm steel. But, you must pattern them with various chokes. then you can save a fortune.But if after gobblers (which we don't have) to get a really tight pattern you may have go to expensive exotic metals that are softer. Dave in england

they are nice lookin guns but i just got rid of mine had it for a year and not 1 time out the 2000 shells shot threw it not one time could i get it to cycle three 3 1/2 1 1/2 oz BBshot

Now is the time to chat in your Facebook groups if your looking for ammo and used decoys

Way to pound that wood Bob. Lol! Keep 'em coming.

You should do a distance test with those shells

That’s a fun video and I am sure that you were glad that you were using the heavier Stoeger especially on those harder recoiling tungsten loads. If one wanted to use a mixed load of ammo in their 3 shot limit to “conserve” the more expensive ammo, would you use a tungsten/bismuth as your first round since that “should” be your best shot or have one as your last round aka Hail Mary round since it can shoot further and could knock the bird down dead vs steel? Then have the other two rounds be the steel shot you like such as Black Cloud. A comparison between motion decoys by different brands like Mojo, Lucky Duck 🦆, Northern Flight, etc… could be interesting and informative. 😎

Shot some bismuth through my 20 gauge last season. I liked it, kicked hard and was super loud, couldn’t really notice a difference than steel.

Ayeeee Bobby!

Hay man it been a long time no see I haven’t been watching yt but love the video I feel like federal are the best out their and worth the money Winchester has been getting Jammed but ya federal all the way

Yes

Hopefully I get a chance to use the 3x9 blackcloud on a gobbler tomorrow.

Love the videos bob and sent the intent to book in already waiting on the call

Grate vid bob was always wanted to try the hi and shells

If hunting doves and pigeons and quail i say no. But if ducks, squirrels, turkey, and geese yes. It all depends on the gun and the experience of the shooter. Ayhow im excited to see what you have to say man. Gonna be another great video!

What’s up Bob

اتمنى ان يكون لدي بندقية مثل بندقيتك I wish I had a gun like yours

You should do a video of how to mount a goose that would be fun for everyone

Try to use modified choke with these shells and pattern it on 35 to 50 yrd

Thanks good info!

Lead is lead!

Bobby- I was wondering if all the buck shot tungsten passed through the wood? Also, did the # 7 tungsten 2 3/4" have any pass through? Excellent video. Keep these gun and ammunition videos coming.

I can’t believe you don’t wear hearing protection haha. Great video man keep them coming

READ: Seen a vid on here dude compared BOSS #4s 1350fps vs the hypersonic #2 1700fps on some ballistic gel at 40 yds. The BOSS went further into the gel and was traveling FASTER than the hypersonic at that distance. Id say timber hunts all you need is steel but big water or field hunting I’d say bismuth is worth the money and if your BIG money tungsten is going to be even better

Do a video on your new boat

Hey Bobby, have you ever considered switching to the stoeger m3500 as your primary shotgun? I think since it’s a more affordable gun a lot more of your fan’s probably use that (not to generalize) it might be something more they can relate to than watching someone use a 1800 dollar Benelli that we could only dream of having. They ever use the same choke system. Just a suggestion that a viewer might think would help. Love the vids man 👍

Thank you for the video it was very informational I would also like you to make a video the same kind of format but do it with a large maybe 6x6 Square paper and change it out for each load and also check it at different distances I would like to know what the maximum lethal distance for Tungsten business and the other black clouds shot black cloud is what I shoot thank you for your time and my son shoots the Winchester steel high velocity

Do you like Kent ammo?

When is the farm hunt coming out

Love it Bobby

I know that federal ammo is your partner, but would you consider doing a side by side comparison with other brands? I personally shoot Boss and I would love to see the comparison.

How much would a hunt be for like two or three people

cool video !!!

What happen too the good old blue box!!!!!

What if I'm an older guy just starting out and who doesn't have any friends who hunt can you squeeze a single hunter in with a smaller group?

#3 bismuth is = to #1 steel almost

Even if it preforms 4 times better then the economic shells, 15$ a shell is unaffordable for the average working man. I personal can’t afford to work half a week and buy 10 shells with half my paycheck. Lol. Great video I’m happy for those who are blessed enough to afford these shells. I myself will be sticking with speed shok

3 or 3.5 inch 4 buck is best for coyotes

You really do get what you pay for!!!

I very rarely shoot past 40 yards. Do your scouting, set up on the X , and learn when to call My only question is this, #1. Is a duck, goose, turkey, ect. any more dead with bismuth than will steel ?? 2. How many of us, and be honest, can shoot consistently at flying targets, past 40 yards ?? Or for that matter, know what our patterns are and where the gun is shooting ??

This test is pointless. Different density peices of wood, different weight and size of wood, different sizes of shot. This is not an accurate representation of shotshell brand difference or bismuth vs steel vs tungsten. Its randomly shooting random shells at random peices of wood.

Great to see the comparison, and I always watch whatever you post, but looking at a piece of wood doesn’t help much. Would you consider making your own ballistics gel and showing us the results from that? It’s stupid easy to make, and I’m sure you’d get loads of views.

great content.

Bobby that was interesting devastation paten waw

What happened to all of your stricty divebomb socks and silo spreads

when the pigeon trapping

awesome vid....thanks. shoot what you can afford

Not unless you hunt public land

Bobby are 3" tungsten shells really $12.00 - $15.00 or is that a price for a box of shells???

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Me who still can't find any shotgun shells

hi mate any chance you could get your friends at federal to send some Ammo to New Zealand :) . i like shooting Black cloud and have been trying for the last 3 seasons to get some TTS to try but its just impossible to get .

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Just looked at my diary- last year pheasant season used an experimental 3" 1 1/4 oz steel 5's loaded 35grns of Blue dot, with mod choke and got one at a measured 47yds. I don't think you need to shoot any further.

None of these are on my list of considerations

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