In many industries where it's critical to get things right you must either point at or touch the indicator you are checking. Watch a video of Japanese train engineers from their cab and watch them point to every signal they pass and every control they check.

Yes I wondered the same.

@@cgirl111 I've also seen the tab method. For each check, there is a numbered card. All of the cards a stacked in a pile. Each one that gets done, it's put back in its slot from where it came. If there is an empty slot at take off, that check hasn't been done.

I saw a report on a crash once. Crash right after take off, like this one. Everybody died. When the investigators played the voice recorder, they clearly heard hail hitting the plane during the checklist. They heard the captain request the dicing truck. They heard the first officer say " wing deicers" and the captain say " off" and the first officer say "off". Neither of them realized what they had just said and they clearly knew the weather was bad enough for the deicers to be on. Crash was caused by ice on the wings.

@@cgirl111 Yep, from what I've heard those guys have very few, if any accidents. I've actually adopted this method for whenever I'm dealing with machinery or firearms.

Prayers for you son. God bless you all

Hes alot safer on the sky than on the ground

@@udin23 no lol. this is like saying ur safer in a car than in ur house

@@kaylahsvx huh?

Cool job. I'd like to get there, too, one of these days. For now, I just refuel them. It's so fun to be right under the wing, looking at all the mechanical bits. When a plane's parked, sometimes I'll spin the fan by hand. It rotates smoothly, but you can still feel the weight. I never really appreciated passenger planes till I got this job. It's nice.

I've been in two potentially life ending situations involving a group of people (however, no one was even seriously hurt) and the reactions and lack of reactions were eye opening to say the least. It was like trying to function in some sort of Twilight Zone world. I'll have to acquire this book.

Thank you so much for these informations ! 😉👍

Thanks ! That sounds interesting, I'd love to read it !

@@K9River what do you mean

@@snakeoo7ca People have no clue how to react in an emergent situation. They will mostly stand around to be subject to whatever disaster will inundate them or they will scream nonsense or try to force others to make poor choices because they think they know what they are doing. You will have to make decisions about how to survive the impending disaster while trying to navigate the human cluster. You will be on your own. Good luck with that.

Agreed. Who designs a system that is supposed to warn about A and B to only trigger if !A and !B instead of warning if !A or !B.

It would have been also nice if a correct pre-flight takeoff checklist had been done. It’s easy to judge with hindsight but you also have to remember that was one of the newest most technologically designed aircraft of the time and it was still cable and pulley flight controls. Sequential checklists are required, provided and are supposed to be read, checked with a verbally verified condition response.

or designed the flaps so that, if the slats weren't deployed the wings could start flapping.

Blaming Boeing. How original. What about placing the blame squarely where it belongs: the flight engineer who didn't do the job he was trained for.

@@johannesbols57 exactly, he was provided a checklist that he did not follow

You would have been dealing with my family - waiting to see if we had survived. They were initially told that everyone had died, and then the fact that there were survivors started to emerge.

So did any/all your family members survive, or did they all perish?

Mr. Krack was my neighbor in the 90s. He died around 20 years ago. His wife died a few years ago, she was almost 100 years old.

Wow! Your Aunt is one amazing woman! Glad she survived! Not sure I would have been able to continue that flying job!

@Gideon October gotta ask my Grandma cause Sue is her sister

@@ElectricGalaxy you dont know your aunts name? wth 😂

@@KingdomArtz lmaooo

@@KingdomArtz I’ve never met her…

Is there any female capt?

@@rastachicagomataderos There are female airline captains in Europe but not too many.

@@flyingbarbarian1 ratio?

@@rastachicagomataderos Finnair has 1068 pilots as of april 2022. Out of 1068 total pilots around half Are captains out of 534 captains 20% are female. So Finnair has 106 Female captains.

@@rastachicagomataderos So around 20% of airline captains in Europe are female on scale to around 1000.

Who DOESN’T agree? Make this the most liked comment!!

@@miggis TOSH!

I come here for the basics, the crash and an understanding of the causes. But honestly, the latter doesn’t really happen all the time because this channel goes into details, naming components and shortly explaining what they do, making it even more complicated with all the words associated with how materials and components work. I feel it’s stretched out when it could be a bit shorter. It’s like TFC things everyone will understand it fully of much better by going into very detailed technical issues and matters. I tend to skip those parts or stop the video altogether as I’m seriously not interested in these pretty extreme technical explanations. It’s like he names a component of a component, part of a larger system, that has many different components that have backups a, b and c. But those fail and then bout x *technical term not made easier with a short graphic* into tube Y which usually should do this and that but now the bout gets stuck so it causes *insert problem with a difficult term*. And when this happens the fanblade brakes off and the plane crashed. And the only thing I would take away from that is “ah the fanblade broke off. Now I get it.” I am very a-technical which makes these causes explained very hard to get. I know others do get it and like the extended explanations. But luckily there are more channels where the creator explains it in a way even I understand so guess I can always go there if I have no clue from this channel’s more detailed technical approach. That said, I enjoy and admire the recreations of the accidents. Very professional!

@@fluffy-fluffy5996 yeah I find myself skipping around a bunch

I fully agree and commend you for providing us with these valuable videos. Thank you.

It's all physics 😉

The ONLY reason a plane can fly is 100% due to physics!!! Crucial role? Like Yeah!!! I'm just surprised you are surprised! What do you think is at play with flying if not for physics?

@@paulortiz2035 Actually, all existence as far as we understand it is physics, so no need to berate others for the way they express themselves.

Newton's law of gravity at work.

"Its amazing how crucial a role physics plays on how a plane moves in the air." Yup, you can say that again!!! As in without a through understanding of physics a plane would NOT be able to fly at all!

I’ve read of times where failing to unlock the gist lock has resulted in crashes.

Usually it’s a string of compounding small issues.

Such a basic pre-flight setting. How can anyone that caused this (F.E.) live with himself knowing he killed 59 for a simple oversight on his part?

Gust lock .. ffs 🤦‍♂️

you are a genius

And extremely scary too. Everyone knew they were going down.

Absolutly...money...money

I have more of an issue with a highly paid , highly trained flight engineer FAILING to do the most basic part of his job!

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$! You just flunked out of airline upper management school.

@@jaimhaas5170 Sorry but no relation with what s reed said...

@@jaimhaas5170 ...Aviation is a business of men and machines. Men make mistakes. Machines break. And men make the machines.

My sisters bleed air valve works just fine. Clear an entire room in seconds.

yea that's interesting.... makes me wonder if it is just misdescribed? Like maybe the air needed to be bled first and then that slats would extend? Dunno.. just wild guessing here cuz I too have never known of air pressure being used for such a thing intentionally when fluid is used for everything else and is much more powerful.

Glenn: Dat'z NASSSEHHH!😆

767 uses hydraulic motors with electric motors as a backup on both flaps and slats , not sure about the 747 as I’ve never worked on one . But the 767 has an air driven pump for center hydraulic system in conjunction with two electric hydraulic pumps to push more volume for gear / flap / slats , maybe they meant the switch for running the ADPs on the 747 which has multiple ones . But even a 767’s slats will go down with the electric hydraulic pumps but at a slower rate than with air driven pump kicking in to help . I’ll have to read up on 747 slats system .

@@DonKelleyMusic bleed air is the primary power source for the various subsystems on most airliners (the Dreamliner is an exception). Hot pressurized air from the turbines is "bled" off the engine and powers a few hydraulic pumps, electric generators, and even a few systems directly. The cabin pressurization and conditioning gear, a variety of pneumatic and hydraulic devices (depending on plane model), seat-back entertainment centers, and all manner of other power needs eventually can trace back to bleed air. When you're sitting on the ground after boarding, the APU (normally in the tail) is running and providing this bleed air to power the onboard systems, and at those times, you don't need to power the slat system, so the 747's flight engineer panel was a true maze of switches and dials controlling (among many other things) where the bleed air came from and went to. When you're parked, and want the air conditioner to run well, you may disable some systems you don't want to steal power. Once you start up the engines, you have more bleed air to draw from, and can shut down the APU and turn on the various other accessories you didn't need while boarding. In this case, he forgot to move one of the many switches on his panel to enable flow to the slat system. The lines up to the valve(s) were pressurized, but with that switch in the off position, no fluid could flow and the slats remained in the flight/parked position, despite the flap/slat setting on the pilot's center floor console being at the "10 percent" setting. Obviously there should have been more safety logic in that panel to warn them of an unsafe setting like this... it's sad you have to crash one to force them to implement such an update.

Lucky 🍀

Can't read and look.

Lucky man !!

Wow that reminds me of the opening scene of the film Final Destination. Film is rubbish but the opening scene is epic and memorable

That's right out of a movie...too weird

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As mentioned in the video, this accident lead to warning systems implemented that would alert the flight crew to similar configuration errors. I remember hearing about this accident and remembering this was the first time something like this was done and wondering why these fail safe mechanisms weren't implemented before.

@@BillGreenAZ I guess that was because the aircraft's American manufacturer did not really expect the Three Stooges themselvesto be manning the plane.

@@BillGreenAZ The fail-safe mechanism is supposed to be the checklist.

@@Jim-mn7yq How many times have we seen that fail? There should never be a single point of failure and having just the checklist isn't enough, in my opinion, when so many lives are in consideration.

@@frankfarago2825 No pilot in the world would attempt a take-off knowing that the configuration was incorrect. The idea that the cockpit crew ignored the 9 amber warning lights is ludicrous. These pilots, in my view, were put into an impossible situation due to the incorrect positioning of a valve and the lack of a robust enough warning system. It would be nice if you withdrew your insulting casual comment..

Almost impossible to see wings out of cockpit windows

At the distance you are from the wings probably not. Also all windows should be shut and locked before pushback

Bro their workload is so high during climb out & dealing with sudden stick shaker stall warning, no time (or point) for a visual inspection - even IF cockpit crew could see that from their vantage point. RIP to those lost, in Jesus name !

@@psalm2forliberty577 Your ‘Jesus’ for which there is zero proof of his existence let 59 people die. Btw, read the book of Thomas where Jesus murdered 2 kids and a teacher. Jesus also constantly dishonored his father Joseph by fighting with him. All those were capital offenses according to ‘god’s laws’ so Jesus should have been stoned to death. Do you realize how offensive it is to throw your fake Jesus into this discussion since many who died weren’t Christian? Keep your sick religion to yourself.

I've flown the 747-100, and even the wingtips are not visible from the flight deck. The only indication one would have for the slats actually being extended is the green light.

😂 I also noticed. Like their legs, have come loose from their hips. The guy on the left couldn't seem to reach the stairs

Thanks for pointing that out. No disrespect but I laughed my ass off

Fake people, if course.

@@yourgirlniki5582 - Me too :) Will have to try that next time!

Yes Please

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Thank you for the honesty. I could say the same in several of my jobs where I was doing long haul delivery. Peoples lives are at stake.

Agree, "responding out of habit" is essentially the same as sleep walking.

Sorry guys but we cannot trust German companies for flights they are cursed too many problems and accidents i always avoid them not against you but it's not reassuring.

I was born in Giessen. We moved to America 4 November 1974.

TFC? The editor takes considerable effort to explain everything, yet you need to show off your knowledge of terminology.

rly? vid? TYSM? The editor takes considerable effort to explain everything, yet you need to show off your knowledge of terminology.

oh, i am very sorry for that, i am habitually quite lazy, so i often tend to use text abbreviations, thank you for letting me know though, I'll use formal words to comment on videos like this next time.

TFC? The editor takes considerable effort to explain everything, yet you need to show off your knowledge of terminology.

I guess if we don't know the whole story we can't draw a complete conclusion.

TFC? The editor takes considerable effort to explain everything, yet you need to show off your knowledge of terminology.

vid? b4?

Be the best pilot you can be. I had to quit for lack of depth perception. My lady cousin is a pilot ready to retire. Take her job. Good luck.

The 2 other incidents didn't result in crashes. Take another look at the video.

Flight engineers I know say the takeoff is the most dangerous part of the flight

That one flipped over. This one went down as if landing, on it's belly.

@@donnabaardsen5372 yes, quite right! I live in Chicago and remember that crash vividly as I was shuttling crews to and from the airport, while in college then! The AA flight lost an entire engine off its wing during take off and rolled on its side and crashed that way, breaking apart, and on fire before it ever came to a stop! In a mobile home park! A bit different from a belly landing on a grass plain. While every life is precious, only 40 people died with Lufthansa. And I say ONLY!!! because so many more could have perished!!! With the AA flight 256 or so died. Everyone on board plus a few more in the mobile home park it plowed into.

Remember that this was in the 1970s. A lot has changed in the safety protocols since then.

Oh good, I'm not the only one confused by text reading that the captain continues the climb and retracted the landing gear.

@@bikeny yeah, with no "i have the aircraft" inbetween!

Guys, try not to nitpick!

@@paulortiz2035 nitpick you say? Hmmm...the whole point of these things is to scrupulously recount exact details of all that was done prior to an incident, yes? Insofar as that is known?. At what point do you decide to call the noting of an obvious discrepancy nitpicking, and above all, why?

@@lightweed when someone offers to do something as well as they can do, and then to have others (you, for example) who take obvious delight in complaining to the video makers of not covering every, single, facet to their (the viewers) exacting standards, well, 'nitpicking' seems exactly the right word to me. Tiresome, as well! This isn't the NTSB. But rather someone making a video for 'entertainment' purposes. So, not the NTSB, not a scientific recreation, nor a physics class on aerodynamics; so not much other than an 'entertainment' piece! Not entertained??? Ask for your money back!!!!!! In ancient Rome, if you complained about the job someone was doing, guess what? YOU got the job! So if you can do better--- please--- let me know when your video is on so I can watch it!!! I'm waiting!!! Seriously!!! Let me/us know!!! I/we am/are waiting for your, so much better, far superior expose! Until then, STFU!!! If you can do better, do. And if you don't care for the graphics, tiny inaccuracies, not getting every single detail covered to your very exacting standards, well, gee! Life is certainly tough! Isn't it? Just ask the Ukranians about how tough life can be! And then complain, again, with your silly polemics, nitpicking, and less than convincing, but superior attitude! I find life way too short for your type! Or even the desire to address 'your type'! If you don't care for the content---- watch another channel! Or produce better content yourself, which has >1% chance of ever being done! Hasn't it? So again, STFU!!! YOU ARE CERTAINLY UNHELPFUL, BRITTLE, TIRESOME AND ANNOYINGLY IRRITATING! (Which I'm sure you have heard many, many time before! Perhaps from the ex-wife! Or two!)

If only it were that simple.

WTF are vids?

Happy to leave or jelous about flying

@@donaldknowles9640 “J e l o u s” Seriously? What an illiterate fool.

TFC? The editor takes considerable effort to explain everything, yet you need to show off your knowledge of terminology.

@@K1OIK OK, I'll go and stand in the corner for twenty minutes.

Are you implying they would have taken off knowing the slats were not extended?

@@tensevo no implication there at all. Facts are that this was easily avoided if everyone does their JOB.

The two choices are either: 1. Accident, or 2. Intentional What else is there? Operator error? That still is either accidental or intentional!

@@paulortiz2035 this accident proved to be bad planning from lack of preperation.

They seem a little tipsy from the Platinum lounge 🥂 🥂

They're not real. Computer generated.

@@donnabaardsen5372 True, but he and others do similar videos and you don't see this on every sim creation...it is odd. I remember one video where one of the ground crew working on push back was walking to go into the tug and he had an actual LIMP as he walked!

Faulty human error could have prevented this. Design is a secondary consideration.

The flight crew paid inadequate attention to their checklists. That's on them. They didn't do the minimum requirement of their job, to pay attention.

@@terrysmith7751 I agree with you. Design is a secondary concern. Human error WAS the cause here.

It would be known but it takes money to fix it, that money is available after a bunch of people die

Don't you think the engineers did their best to build the best they could? You can not plan for every single possible screw up imaginable. No matter how hard you try, or how long the list of safety features, someone will find a new way to defeat your design. When buying sod perhaps it should come with instructions to plant the green side up! But no such instructions are ever provided! Do you really think EVERYONE gets it right!??? I seriously doubt it! And I bet Home Depot refunds sod purchases that fail to grow, due to 'operator error' or improper installation!

It's a great feeling to know that we are seeing some of the best content of KZfaq early. This channel is perfection, across the board!

What are you talking about? They still do! Maybe not in the States, but in much of the world they still do! In the last 10 years I've climbed many stairs, after being driven to the plane. Or visa-versa.

Oh and by the way young man, WONDERFULLY done!

Yes you’d think if the captain had firewalled those throttles at the first signs of an approaching stall they may have been able to fly out of ground effect. I guess we’ll never know.

Yeah that's my big question, the plane was only around 50% of its max weight, why couldn't they just give it the grunt? Simple Flight physics you would think...

This report doesn't indicate if power was adjusted to max thrust - - but it's unlikely even max thrust after takeoff would've accelerated the aircraft quickly enough to get above stall speed to fly out of it. Even on the ground, without any of the drag caused by higher angle of attack (which comes at liftoff), the aircraft does not accelerate that quickly. They probably would've needed at least 40 more knots of airspeed to get to the "no slats" flying speed. It's a pretty high threshold to achieve.

@@gjones642 The video stated without the slats the stall speed would have been higher... but it actually would have been lower... correct ?

Pushing the throttle all the way up causes the nose of the plane to rise. In an aerodynamic stall a nose up attitude will cause a further lose of lift and cause the plane to fall faster. This is why in the video it stated that the pilot pushed the nose DOWN when the stick shaker warning activated. Pushing the throttle all the way up is perfectly fine if the plane is at least a few thousand feet in the air because the loss of altitude won't really matter that high up and the plane will still be recoverable.

hi They call me tundra boy! I guess no one asks where you are from? (I couldn't resist) 😁

Flying is the safest way to travel Chances of dying in a car crash are 1 in 5000 Chances of dying in a plane crash is 1 in 11 million.

I think the song is one that can be used without getting The Flight Channel a copyright strike, but I don't know the title.

Incompetent? That's pretty harsh! Pilots are human after all, and ALL humans make mistakes! Unfortunate as it is. Perhaps you have made a few yourself? With years of experience, routine procedures get so automated it becomes second nature, even robotic. Working in the medical field I can't tell you how many times, as I was falling asleep, I would remember something I should have done but didn't. Those 13-17+ hour days were difficult and things got missed, forgotten or overlooked. It was a constant source of stress and worry. I'm not perfect but I always did my very best! Not that that kept me from beating myself up on a near daily basis! I certainly wasn't, as you like to put it, incompetent!

@@paulortiz2035 No, no it's not harsh. They are incompetent. Did you even watch the video? A lot of these accidents happen because of pilot error, crew error, technician error, irresponsability and so on. When you are in charge of the lives of other people, doctor, bus driver, pilot etc. there are no excuses. Too tired? Don't go to work. Hungover? Don't go to work. Not getting paid enough? Find a diferent job. But you do NOT risk the lives of other people. You have no right. Yes, everyone makes mistakes, but mistakes which result in injury or worse death of an innocent are unforgivable and inexcusable. No amount of explanation will make up for the fact you / someone else killed someone's son, daughter, father, mother, because "I forgot, I'm human, I make mistakes". When you take this kind of job you need to understand the responsibility, you need to understand the risks, you need to understand that other people are putting their trust, their lives in your hands. So, I'm sorry, but "beating yourself up" and the "I am human" excuse in this kind of situation means nothing when lives are lost and others utterly destroyed. Do the job right or don't do it at all.

@@thomasmutiu you have the right to have your opinion. Certainly, you do. However, if the world worked as you suggest we might as well close down hospitals, airlines, et al, world wide. Seriously! With a 5 member surgical team and one cancels for just a bit tiredness, by your righteous standards of care, your emergency heart operation will need to be rescheduled and pushed back to tomorrow, if we can squeeze it in. Wonder if you'll make it, if you will still be around? And if we go by your standards, fully, it might be a day or two, even after that delay! And my favorite guy to operate with, Oleg, and his wife just had a baby and as expected he isn't sleeping well during the adjustment period! Thankfully the baby is healthy. So you might even need to wait a few weeks so he can catch up and be as 'FRESH' as you expect, for your procedure! Is that OK with you? Or if you have kid and one of them is in a head on car crash, driving home at 3 am, so the call in the cardio/thoracic guys are called in, including our heart/lung bypass machine operator....... yup, do you think they might be real tired, or a bit tired, sleepy or whatever else? But it's OK! Since we can't all perform flawlessly, ( as per your standards) we get to turn over and go back to sleep! Putting your kid off because, shudder to think, we might not be at 100% at 3:30am when we arrive. We might give your son less than perfect aid. To someone who is all but dead already! But by your standards we absolutely need to postpone, until we are ALL fully awake, well rested, fresh and cooking on all 4 burners and in the right frame of mind--- to meet your unrealistic expectations that are goofy at best and daffy at worst and certainly deadly! By your standards civilization would come to a screeching halt. But that is somehow better than the ways things operate currently! According to--- you! And in Ukraine war, do the same rules apply with their leas than optimal field hospital settings? Despite the challanges there they seem to have admirable success rates with their patients. ALL OF THOSE PEOPLE DESERVE EVERYONES DEEPEST RESPECT!!! AND ADMIRATION!!! And they do it despite shaky supply lines, shaky ground, lack of sleep, etc. Despite everything I don't see anyone scurring around screaming "The sky is falling! The sky is falling!!! When in fact the earth has opened up and hell is beckoning to them, all compliments of Mr Putin. So, Thomas, please just hop right down in, with your discontent, and it will be extinguished immediately, most assuredly. And if I land in the same place as you I will expect you to come over and kick me in the ass for making an error. Or more than one error. Whatever the final criteria is. But in the meantime keep your ridged, silly, bizzare, out of control expectations to yourself and---- just STFU!!! But try to a lovely day! Life is precious even if everyone around us is not preforming their futies at 100%, at all times! But whatever you do I know you perform your duties flawlessly and with elan each day you show up for duty. So do tell us, just how days a month that might be? On average? Just curious! We all are! And what do you do to help out mankind? I'm thinking you box marshmallows in a factory somewhere. Fresh marshmallows must be very forgiving, all in all. The perfect job for people like--- yourself. Your parents, your family must be so very proud. ------ And as an aside your statement "....these "professional trained" crew....." SHOULD READ: '...these professionally trained crew....' ! Professionally is an adverb modifying the verb 'trained'. Professional is an adjective. And adjectives modify only nouns and pronouns! Sorry Dude, but if you can't write without errors your license to post items on the web will canceled! I'm calling the web authorities right now to alert them to your grievous and totally unforgivable error! IT MUST NOT HAPPEN AGAIN! EVER!!! Got it??? And so, 'Mr Perfection', is not so perfect himself! DUH!!! SURPRISE!!! SURPRISE!!! SURPRISE!!!

Catastrophe was Muilenburg not Boeing engineers.

Poorly trained crews also have something to do with it.

@@j777barbasiewicz I had no idea the flawed 737 rudder power control unit, the flawed 757 flight management computer, or the 747 flawed cargo door were designed by Dennis Muilenburg. That guy must be the devil itself!

@@johannesbols57 don't try to defend them. A human-machine interface must be designed to detect, prevent, point out and offer solutions to operator errors. That's no rocket science, is basic Industrial Design.

@@felipel.r.637 Plenty of aircraft have been brought down by automation that malfunctioned, or confused the pilots with faulty information. Also, crews develop a lack of 'look and see' habits, while trusting machines to see to details.

It's hard copy, probably read out loud by the flight engineer with pilot responses required.

@@1954BadCompany Thanks!

Something I don't understand is the potential hazard of having humans attach the push back vehicles to the aircraft, then walk to the front of the aircraft and signal that they're done. They're supposed to wear high viz vests but I've seen them walking around LAX without them. It just seems crazy that somebody hasn't been run over due to not being seen, esp. from the flight deck of a 747.

TFC? The editor takes considerable effort to explain everything, yet you need to show off your knowledge of terminology.

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