Bogoljubov vs Alekhine (1922) || Game Excerpts with GM Ben Finegold

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4 жыл бұрын

GM Ben Finegold takes a quick look at Efim Bogoljubov vs Alexander Alekhine (1922) from round 10 of the tournament in Hastings, England, in 1922. [ Excerpted from Great Players of the Past -- Alexander Alekhine • Video ]
Dutch Defense: Nimzo-Dutch Variation (A90)
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@IsaacBenevides 4 жыл бұрын

Yeah! We want more Finegold lectures. RAWR!

@RileyPPP 4 жыл бұрын

Title: Game Excerpt Comment section: Why is it shorter like an excerpt would be? Why is it excerpted from an existing lecture? Rawr!!

@NotTheWheel 4 жыл бұрын

If there is one thing you learn from Ben. It's to never play f3.

@salmarwow 4 жыл бұрын

Yea. Tell that to any Saemish player :) Or to white, who decide for English attack in response to Sicilian Najdorf. I'm pretty sure that Ben understand that stuff well. He gives a general rule which is good for beginners and to-be-medium players. Masters and grandmasters know what is good and what is not themselves.

@matteopriotto5131 4 жыл бұрын

Of course. You must not play f3, even if you are black and have a defended past pawn on f4

@davidschneide5422 4 жыл бұрын

This is a rerun. I watched exact same video recently.

@davidschneide5422 4 жыл бұрын

@@slowpoke126 yes. Excited to see new post. Immediately disappointed when I recognized it.

@hamletfisherman5740 4 жыл бұрын

@@davidschneide5422 that must be horrible man

@davidschneide5422 4 жыл бұрын

@@hamletfisherman5740 KZfaq channels earn revenue based on views. The re-post of recent video from same week must be a horrible mistake, otherwise it would indicate an effort to generate money by duping subscribers into viewing same material long enough for it to count as a new "view". It needs to be resubmitted to count them as new.

@ngkktht774 4 жыл бұрын

@@davidschneide5422 this is not "from the same week".

@penguintheratherslowlad2356 4 жыл бұрын

I remember when Bens lectures were an hour long

@paul81491 4 жыл бұрын

Its just an excerot from another video.

@BodhiGeraci 4 жыл бұрын

@@paul81491 Probs a typo as o and p are next to one another... But it's "excerpt"

@ysayius 4 жыл бұрын

Ben gets paid by the Game Excerpt

@penguintheratherslowlad2356 4 жыл бұрын

@@ysayius I guess Ben hates me cus I'm dutch

@Thaumazo83 4 жыл бұрын

@@ysayius :D The times when he was paid by the hour have long gone.

@frovis7426 4 жыл бұрын

More Ben! RAWR

@demianschultz3749 2 жыл бұрын

Loved it!

@hicow6075 4 жыл бұрын

6:59 he got that line from me. I wrote a comment about a year ago in his twitch chat with this line in it "In theory communisim works" he read it out load, laughed a bit and said thats a good one.

@mikevaldez7684 4 жыл бұрын

I love Bogoljubov because of his very human playing & yet he was a force to be reckoned with in his day!

@askthepizzaguy 4 жыл бұрын

Who loves short shorts? We love short shorts.

@BottleOfCoke 4 жыл бұрын

15 minutes without asking for a donation!

@user-ts3ij7te6j 4 жыл бұрын

🤣🤣

@sianoneil9738 4 жыл бұрын

Terrible!

@mikevaldez7684 4 жыл бұрын

Bogoljubov is mentioned in Reben Fine's The Middlegame in Chess seemingly as a great player--you have to admit Alekhine used some unusual & unconventional ideas & tactics: a weird opening, sacrificing, promoting pawns twice, etc., just to end up w/ that endgame position.

@getonien 4 жыл бұрын

Great video, too short!

@andsviat 4 жыл бұрын

But Nigel Short approves.

@odysseas573 4 жыл бұрын

The criticism about Magnus displayed between 0:29 and 0:39 is absurb. Presumably it is a joke or some kind of antic. It is tiring though and people will actually believe it because of Ben's title. For anyone who is interested here is the list of the World Champions in a format of (name) (games drawn)/(games played)=(%of total games drawn). All the numbers are taken from chessgames.com. Disclaimer: There are alot of games played by chess players that are lost or just not in chessgames.com. The point of this comment is not to do a perfect statistical analysis. Wilhelm Steinitz 169/900=18.8% Emanuel Lasker 297/1254=23.7% Jose Raul Capablanca 364/1167=31.2% Alexander Alekhine 561/2072=27.1% Max Euwe 540/1,647=32.8% Mikhail Botvinnik 468/1,181=39.6% (higher % Magnus) Vassily Smyslov 1393/2639=52.8% (higher % and more games drawn than Magnus) Mikhail Tal 1307/2833=46.1% (higher % and more games drawn than Magnus) Tigran Petrosian 1066/1933=55.1% (higher % Magnus) Boris Spassky 1266/2276=55.6% (higher % and more games drawn than Magnus) Bobby Fischer 306/1077=28.4% Anatoly Karpov 1671/3610=46.3% (higher % and more games drawn than Magnus) Garry Kasparov 943/2385=39.5% (higher % Magnus) Vladimir Kramnik 1531/3061=50.0% (higher % and more games drawn than Magnus) Viswanathan Anand 1885/3729=50.5% (higher % and more games drawn than Magnus) Magnus Carlsen 1227/3195=38.4% And just for fun Ben Finegold 170/390=43.6% Thoughts?

@jamesduggan7200 4 жыл бұрын

Bogoljubow may not have been a super GM but his games often were wild. A pawn move would completely change the character of the position and all of the analytical trees that went before would become moot. Especially interesting here tho is the double echo of the queening pawn.

@jtdavis62 4 жыл бұрын

I used to have the book of that 1922 tournament written by Alekhine.

@DynestiGTI 4 жыл бұрын

6:57

@sianoneil9738 4 жыл бұрын

6:57 That's why Ben is an outspoken Democrat. It's because of the theory!

@chriszablocki2460 4 жыл бұрын

I mean, even Botvinnik used drawing match strategy to beat a more tactical Tal in their second world championship match. Match strategy and preparation are significant parts of competitive chess, aren't they?

@stephen0793 4 жыл бұрын

that's not the point. when both players are too afraid of taking risks that will hurt their ratings and knowingly go into forced draw lines (cough cough Berlin), that creates rating inflation. draws aren't always because of equal strength

@chriszablocki2460 4 жыл бұрын

Dude. Kramnik's Berlin approach was a page of of Botvinnik's book. And Kasparov was a Botvinnik student. There was some poetry to that. It might not be the most exiting chess, but it's a clear part of the game. And that's probably why there's a rapid playoff now.

@Brainsucker92 4 жыл бұрын

I'm the worst player in chess history.

@JimLink 4 жыл бұрын

Me on the other hand, I'm the best chess player in my chair! Please don't touch my chair.

@HereWasDede 4 жыл бұрын

reposting? why

@mikevaldez7684 4 жыл бұрын

Working his way down to three pawns against two, after having promoted to two queens does not seem like an "easy mop up" to me.

@jocaingles8464 4 жыл бұрын

That's why you are 1500

@mikevaldez7684 4 жыл бұрын

@@jocaingles8464 You mean that's why you are under 1200😂

@lucagian9801 4 жыл бұрын

i tried to find someone good defeated by alekhine. i am not sure... how is capablanca considered? did he smoke too much? was he too lazy? 😄😄😄

@stephen0793 4 жыл бұрын

Capablanca was world champion and much better than Alekhine of course he was good lol. That's why Alekhine didn't let him play him again

@TheMarksT 4 жыл бұрын

Awesome game. Magnus has much better opponents due to the internet. Like Chinese proverb however, draw makes no looser too! Lol. Not really but close, if you know what I mean. Thx excellent as usual.

@missme8670 4 жыл бұрын

"IN THEORY COMMUNISM WORKS."- GM B.FINEGOLD

@mryuvraj9182 4 жыл бұрын

Love you, Ben. Finally someone said it. Carlsen plays for such dry positions. His chess is really boring. :/

@RK-qi4tv 4 жыл бұрын

Not always tho

@MonkeyDIvan 4 жыл бұрын

RRRRAAAAAWWWWRRRRR!!!

@stephen0793 4 жыл бұрын

Didn't Alekhine get to like pick his opponents or something for the world championship? It shows here. Yikes

@kobe51 4 жыл бұрын

Whatta bum, dis Bogoljubov guy!

@rickrick5041 4 жыл бұрын

egglot12 Great player

@venedikterofeev5861 4 жыл бұрын

бля ну почему его называют алехайном а не алехиным

@gizmomogwai2434 4 жыл бұрын

I can’t decide if this guy is an egotistical blunder or has a brilliant sense of humor.

@ElNightmareYT 4 жыл бұрын

Definitely brilliant. His references game is 2900.

@rickrick5041 4 жыл бұрын

Bogolijibov would. beat Finegold easy

@arsenalfanrichi 4 жыл бұрын

Not the way he played this game though.

@Pat6578 4 жыл бұрын

I actually don't think this comment is true. While Bogolubov was a contender for the World Championship, one of the benefits modern chess players have over the players of yesteryear is a better understanding of the game than the previous generation based on the available knowledge. If you were to throw Steinitz, Lasker, Capablanca, etc. into a time machine and paired them up against the great players of today, they may not play bad, but I doubt they'll win.

@rickrick5041 4 жыл бұрын

Patricide No one knows but I think they might if given some time to learn modern knowledge and work with computers

@justinpinard6434 4 жыл бұрын

if you gave him modern knowledge of theory then probably. it's the same issue with Morphy detractors. yeah, sure, his actual knowledge and skills were probably 2200 strength, but if you give him current knowledge he would almost assuredly be world champion.

@mountainjew1474 4 жыл бұрын

Ben's last word in this lecture was? Horrible

@hamletfisherman5740 4 жыл бұрын

Terrible... I mean great!

@KW-vm5fc 4 жыл бұрын

Didn't you cover this game in another video that you did for St. Louis Chess Club, years ago?! Your non-effort this time is disappointing.

@justinpinard6434 4 жыл бұрын

KW1 this is from his video on Alekhine

@KW-vm5fc 4 жыл бұрын

@@justinpinard6434 And his video on Alekhine was for St Louis Chess, right?! Anyway, I like Finegold... just have a problem with lack of effort on his part, at times. Granted, his KZfaq stuff is free of charge and I tune in from time to time.

@justinpinard6434 4 жыл бұрын

@@KW-vm5fc He recently released a separate Alekhine video on CCSCATL with different games

@KW-vm5fc 4 жыл бұрын

@@justinpinard6434 Thanks for the note!