I read inside the Logitech manual that if you scroll back up and SMASH the like button the Bluetooth latency will disappear from your mouse

I honestly feel like Apple has to do with like 80% of these issues. I tried using my razer viper mini on my macbook pro 2021 and the experience was horrible, mostly because of apples awful acceleration settings and lack of button support. Linear mouse did fix the majority of issues but it was still sucked just trying to get a regular mouse to work.

A lot of those problems are MacOS, since apple makes it harder for non apple mice to work properly

The most honest review for a popular products that has sometimes never been told by any tech reviewer

Thanks for keeping it honest! I’ve had all these issues with my MX Master 3. Unfortunately no other other youtuber mentions this issues.

Just throw away your mac

I got the mouse in black so I avoided the yellow tinting and otherwise I only have some issues on my macbook, on my pc it works fine, but that's more of an issue with MacOS and how it works with mice. Also, I think you really need to have a specific grip and "average" hand size for the mouse to be comfortable, for me I am now feeling a lot less pain working with my mouse.

Dear Bog, thank you for this video. I am *trying* to use logitech mx master series for a long time as a content creator from Turkey. I bought all the 3 models. But using it with bluetooth... not much possible. I am constantly using it with USB dongle. Even the USB Dongle is not working properly sometimes. So the solution I found is, I bought a USB extender as male and female, put is a spesific distance away from my computer, and then pluging the receiver. That is how I sold the problem for good. Thank you for your effort.

It sounds as though the main gripes are with Mac OS connectivity issues. I do find it baffling that Mac users have to buy exactly the same mouse (bar the colour )without out a unifying receiver, nuts! Also, a surprise is that for PC users, we get a non USB C dongle in the age where everything new is going USB C. Other than that, I have to disagree with you on the Mag scroll wheel, it is by far the USP of the mouse. The MX anywhere is too small for daily use, and this is the only other mouse that has mag scrolling (I think).

I got the MX Master 3 (loudy clicky one), it's not too bad... But if u wanna buy this mouse, get the non mac version. It literally has no difference apart from its colour and with a unifying/bolt receiver included for no price difference :)

I’ve been using the regular 3 for the past 3 years, I don’t have none of these issues and I use a Mac, lately updated with m2 max.

We ain't never giving up our MX Masters. I'm on my 8th year with these.

I have the same issue with pain. Did your pain got away eventually? I don't know if I should get used to mouse shape or if pain won't get away, I totally don't want to get a carpal tunnel syndrome. Never had this problem with any mouse or trackpad before

Bass noises don't travel far so the scroll wheel isn't really that loud

This is a gem of a video, FINALLY some review worth watching. All other KZfaqrs make videos that are saying nothing they just review the product as it was marketed but you, you dug deep to what really counts. I was deciding between MX and magic mouse and now I'm definitely buying the magic mouse and it's because of your video. Thank you Bog

Subscribed, honesty is rarely seen these days, too many marketers disguised as reviewers.

I don't have the yellow that you have nor do I have most of the issues you've mentioned, aside from how stiff the click is on the scroll wheel and how difficult it is to use the thumb rest button. I'm not sure if you have a lemon or something but I can fps and do everything just fine. It's just heavier than my g502 x plus for gaming is all but it feels very solid and premium in the hand.

Agreed to everything you said, I’ve used all mx mice since s2. These issues exist. And for my mac i have a worst one, every while the custom shortcuts stop working so i have yo kill the options process to make it work again, very frustrating and non existent in a 30$ mouse.

anyone find the mouse makes your hand pain after use? i just bought and tried for a while but i my hand feel not comfortable very soon

The scroll wheel is a joke

Had all the same issues with this mouse. Good to know that I am not alone.

Im impressed by how wrong everything went for you. I'm a graphic designer, got it for a while now and all I can say its the best I've ever used. Allow me to break down every point from my experience: 1. I didn't install any custom apps or changed any settings in mac, it just works perfectly. No lags, no freezes, no issues with BT. Steady flawless work. 2. The scroll wheel is the best I've used so far, magnets doing their thing perfectly, it scrolls the same in all apps as it should. 3. I've tried to simulate your scrolling actions and couldn't get the same result. 4. Agree here, the scroll button is not silent but I generally use it rarely. 5. Color, yes, I picked the black one because it is obvious the white will get dirty, as everything in life, lol. Nice matching with a silver MacBook though! 6. Battery. Just checked, I’ve used 20% of battery in over 2 weeks. The battery charges slowly, while you CAN use it plugged, crazy. 7. The horizontal scrolling is great in work, the resistance is just right for not accidentaly scrolling it. 8. I’ve also experienced some numb hand when using it, but that was because of table-chair positioning, not the mouse lol. My overall advice, get the “non-mac” version, it has the same functionality but comes with a USB dongle, which offers better polling rate (I get 140Hz) when using it, in case you need gaming or something more accurate. I definitely recommend it to anyone, just give it a try for a few days and you will see the beauty of it. Thanks for the video and best of luck!

Same mouse here. Doing everyday tasks and work feel like a breeze, but I don't get the same problems that you do when gaming. Did you have it on dongle when you played a game?

Most of the issues -> OSX not Logitech !!! Maybe the user is too lazy to read some /r to get the stuff work! If you dont want a yellow mouse, dont buy a white one, even with clean hands, every white plastic will become yellow from the sweat.

I got this mouse recently and I also had a pain in hands after using it for some time, however I think it is because of the holding with claw grip or similar, once I started holding it with more firm grip without keeping gap between mouse and palm then it became easy to operate and I did not find any pain. Even though I have smaller hands I still like the way it works. I'm loving it a lot.

I still have mine for almost 3 months, and its white as snow. Maybe sweaty hands?

after several months of use, my arm ruined, i can hardly work,it can not be related to productivity,it ruined productivity, now i have to switch to lighter ones,

I have the same mouse and a 14" M1 Macbook pro and I don't have any of those issues. My only complaint is the scroll wheel. It's not smooth for some reason.

I thought this video was from a big channel because of the quality. Keep up the good work bro

I have black one and it stays clean, except for the dust. The main problem is low polling rate - 140 Hz even through the dongle. Totally not playable. And you have to get used to it even when you're not playing, if you just switched from gaming mouse with 1000 Hz rate.

Hi, I was very close to getting this mouse. But not sure after this video. What would you recommend is a better similar mouse?

I use this.mouse in all black color, which does match my silver MacBook. My wife got the Space gray to match her space gray MacBook. The light gray (white) was never considered, white always gets dirty fast and yellows. As for functionality. It has been nothing short of amazing. I am an IT professional since 1989 and used many mice, high end gaming mice too, this 3s is the BEST all around mouse I have ever used.

I decided to use my dog's paw wipers: they are not alcohol based and they remove oils and grimes deep. It absolutely cleans my mx master, but like you said, the materials as is naturally absorb gunk. But if you want to cut through the stains without using soap and water or alcohol, use paw wipers. They're in your local pet shop and may under "disinfectants. They're not even harsh on your skin because you clean your pets with it.but then again- my mx master doesn't get yellow after 4 days, more like two weeks and I wash my hands every time before i work on my computer and i have a case for my mouse... so i guess if anyone is not constantly babying their devices even after a year, i'd say natural habits just prove that this mouse' materials are not built to be an everyday mouse.

Relatable. Cleaning with wet tissue helps a little bit with that yellowing and bluetooth stutters can be fixed by bt module reset in terminal. Overall I think is the best mouse if you are not playing games with it.

I had one of this and I can confirm, it is overrated. They advertise the wheel as being something life changer but as you said, it's HORRIBLE. You expect it to be as responsive as a trackpad but you can't control it precisely. So you have to only use the normal mode, which is the same as any other productivity mouse. The fact that it has a low polling rate (125hz) is also very bad, specially when used with a high fps monitor, like 165hz or higher.

Great review! I used it for 14 months until last week when I bought the Rapoo VT9Pro. I found it to be of very good quality, but terribly non-ergonomic. I frequently had to adjust my hand position to prevent tendonitis due to ergonomic issues. I believe it caused strain on my hand for three reasons: it's too tall, too heavy, and the thumb rests on top of the mouse instead of serving as a point of support on the table. I had to make a conscious effort not to click accidentally. While the scroll wheel's ability to rotate freely is great, there were times when I wished for a regular wheel. The side-scrolling wheel is awful and unnotched. I used the dongle so I had no connection problems.

It is a mac thing. Also clicking the button under the scroll wheel will solve your accidental scroll issue

Agree. I can’t use it with bluetooth. But with dongle it’s much better.

havent rlly noticed any of the mentioned issues except for the white to yellowish decoloring, but it doesnt rlly bother me that much

Finally, someone is out there just like me who is having the exact problems with this mouse. Randomly the left click requires extra and extreme pressure to make it click. I don't know how to fi this at all. Pain!!

wait so did you return the white one and buy the black one (from your previous vids) or did you just buy both

hey I also have Bluetooth problems on my MacBook Pro m1 16 inch, but not only with that mouse but also with the Magic Mouse, did you find any solution?

I use the aerox 5 wireless on my mac. It works with bluetooth & i have macro for spaces, cause it has software for mac too.

I bought a desk mat to it, and after a few months the little upper black sticker part on the bottom was starting to come off and now it always stuck into the mat for a sec...

Finally an honest review. I bought it after seeing all the reviews saying it was wonderful and after 30 minutes of use I already regretted getting it. I found the grip very uncomfortable and the pain in my forearm was insane. I don't know if I'd get used to it but I bought it for the ergonomics and to not feel pain, so it makes no sense to use it if it hurts me

Theres a MAC version of the mouse, just get that if you are on Apple products

Some good alternative mentions would have been nice.

Hi, what about Keychron M6? Saw in some other videos that it works pretty good with Macbook

About that sensor tracking and vertical scroll thingg, i think it's related to OS thing.... Yea, i have same issues on MAC (bassically i couldnt game ANY FPS game with this mouse on mac), but then, when i tried it on windows, and played Doom Ethernal on 300dpi (15% sensitivity i think) and i dont have any issues, it tracks well.... and vertical scroll wheel behave exactly the same across all apps on windows... not on mac.....

you are exaggerating that I have a lower end logi Bluetooth mouse with m1 air and there isn't even a slight issue.

Just a tip but it sounds like you might be talking a little bit too close to the microphone, or your microphone is acting funny cus there is a bit of reverb.

- The Bluetooth problem sounds like a Mac issue, which I hope it got solved over time. As you say there does not seem to be issues on Windows, and I have been using this mouse in Linux (with the dongle though) and I have zero lag or connectivity issues, even when Linux is the 'less supported' platform out of the three desktop ones. - The mouse wheel click causing a scroll is something that happened to me the first week as well. The wheel has some 'ratchet' mechanism and depending on how you press it, the wheel may move backwards or forward. To be honest, you get used to it and there are certain angles which will never cause this issue, after a couple of days it becomes a mechanic reaction once you find the right position. - The scroll back and forward, it is not the mouse is not registering, the mouse is designed to automatically switch between ratchet and 'fidget toy' mode when you apply a certain ... 'speed' to it? This way, if you want to scroll quickly in either direction, you don't need to press the button to change. If you scroll back and forth at certain speed you are activating the magnets on the 'fidget toy' mode, which causes that sense of not registering because the mouse is expecting to freewheel in a direction and a fraction of a second later you are forcing stop the scroll and changing its direction, over and over. I don't think a real scenario when you need to scroll forward and back several times at speed, but if you do, if you reduce a little bit the speed, you will notice you will feel the 'ratchet' mechanism again and while this is active, it registers reverse scrolling effectively every time I tried it. - On the consistency of the scrolling, I had this in my Linux computer as well. There is an option in the Linux app called 'scroll wheel resolution' which toggles the sensibility of the vertical scroll. I am guessing there is a similar option in the Logi app, and toggling this fixed the issues for me, I hope this turns out useful for you as well. - I use the side scroll wheel for vertical scrolling, I guess depending on the line of work that can be very useful or not 🤷‍♂ - About the pain, I had that as well the first day I got it 😅I was used to a Logi K400 keyboard with integrated trackpad, so I was not used to have my wrist against a surface the way a regular mouse works, and the first day it did hurt. After some thought, it was the angle and the position I was putting the mouse on the desk, which was causing some pressure on my wrist and my carpal tunnel. Once I found the right position, I haven't had any issues again. I am not saying that is your issue as well, but most of the time ergonomics play a heavy roll on this matter. There are valid things to dislike, like the decolorization of the mouse (sorry to hear that 😬) and the noise of the click wheel, but I think most of it can be worked around with a little of effort or may be a little too nitpicky. I work 8+ hours a day with the MX Keys S and the MX Master 3S and to be honest, relating to the mouse, it has been a very pleasing experience so far.

Love the mx3... haven't experienced any of the same issues but i do use the dongle. Also wouldn't say the mousepad is for oil on the hands...

3:38 I don’t understand why they even sell a white one, I’m glad I got the black one & I love it. My favorite part about its shape is that I can hold it with a 3 finger grip comfortably, index on left click, middle on scroll wheel & ring on right click, I know I’m one of the only people who holds a mouse like this but I find it to be quicker when I don’t have to move my finger over to the scroll wheel

idk mine doesnt lag at all...looks like u got a defective one. That sucks

I would rather recommend a gaming mouse. it have like 5 buttons with G-Shift. its craze. I can use my gaming mouse for switching between desktops and forward/backing in browser tabs. I have also setup menu where with my Mac and it's really just useful. highly recommend it if bluetooth is not a must. unfortunately its likely to be 🙂

I have the same issues with the scrolling you are describing. After trying multiple mice, I noticed every other brand that has a tailored feature is kinly useless on iOS platforms. I think the intention is to go with the Magic Mouse. So I got one... and what a waste and what a headache. Since I have a Mac my anxiety increased by 200% Current Setup: 1x Mac and 1x Windows.

Appreciate the honest review. I just ordered this mouse yesterday. I'll look out for the negatives you mentioned, thanks.

I've had the same problems on bluetooth and the logi bolt receiver. The bit I don't understand is why - even with a 90hz or 125hz polling rate - it feels so laggy, when my other mouse, a Logitech G603, also has 125hz but feels very responsive. Logitech is doing something wrong here for sure.

Luckily I saw this video before making up my mind on which color to go with so I got the Graphite instead. I still remember the first laser mouse more than a decade ago - the laser MX1000. It was comfortable to use but I wouldn't call it a gaming mouse. I bought the MX 3S primarily as a 'work'/web browsing mouse where egonomics mattered more than speed/accuracy, with the added bonus of having intuitive horizontal/vertical scrolling and especially the longer battery life. My wireless Logitec 502 Lightspeed's battery life was really atrocious so I use it primarily for short burst of gaming before plugging in to recharge. I'm banking on the MX 3S to provide prolonged usage without the need to constantly recharge it since it will be used primarily for web browsing and work.

i got the 3 s for mac and i`m satisfied. it has an smooth scrollwheel option in the logi app and it scrolls very nice and smooth nearly as on the magic mouse.

MX Master 3 Black - no problems for 2 years. PC-Dongle, two MBPs - BT. Best experience for productivity. Playing BG3- also ok. Even play FPS, but want G pro for that )

now you see why people dont like using macs.... most external 3rd party hardware doesn't work right with macs. Bet all those problems are fine with Windows.

Really good review! I'm giving you a follow and a like!

lmfao, i was just looking at buying this exact mouse. thanks for putting me off :)))))

Hello, May i know if the Razer Viper ultimate is a much better option for mac?

So what is your mouse of choice to work with both, Windows and Mac?

Is the yellowing a common thing across white logitech products?

I'm using a 2 euro hama mouse bought from a pawn shop, I have nothing to complain about.

Awesome honest under the iceberg review 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Unfortunately the white rubber will get more and more yellow overtime like white sneakers How's the color now ? And what's the best alternative white mouse for productivity and casual gaming?

The lagging is from Mac. I have the same issue. But other issues, I never faced or bothered me. The scroll wheel works very well for me

Logitech has a Mac version of this model. I can't tell if it is the Mac version you experience problems with or not. But on Windows I did not have any problems so far.

I have the regular mx master 3 in silver color and on windows it has literally none of these issues except 1, which is the issue if you scroll up and down too fast it doesn't register properly. This is really a non issue for me since i never have to scroll like that. The mouse has been amazing for over a year and is actually ergonomic. Also, I don't experience any lag issues. I think your problem is your mac more than the mouse.

Disagree. The scroll wheel is a game changer and I can't go back to a normal mouse since having used an MX Master 3.

I've had the Master 3 for 4 years. It is insulting that the mouse is being shilled by every youtuber on the planet and every subreddit and facebook group, with everyone overlooking the soft rubber gunking up and peeling off after 1 year, the lack of repairability, the lag at boot time, it being heavy as a brick etc. I like other things about it as stated in this video (long lasting battery, nice shape, the scroll wheel is very nice in stepped mode), so I want to see it for what it could be. It is so obvious that the damned youtube shills did not bother to use the damn thing before reviewing/promoting it.

You never mentioned the appalling polling rate of 125Hz which is just insanely bad.

Less that 30 seconds in and I get a "Trust me bro, it doesn't work" lol

kinda unfair to include the bluetooth issue since u said its probably your mac and works well on windows

We had these at work for a while and it was horrible (on Windows). I find it weirdly heavy but in a way that makes it so you are constantly dragging it instead of guiding it, the scroll felt unnatural and the gestures are so uncomfortable to activate (pressing your thumb down *sideways* is horrible) that I just don’t want to even though I set up very useful gestures that I would use with a trackpad all the time. The side scroll is also not optimised at all so feels terrible to use. We now have smaller bluetooth Logi mice that I don’t know the name of. They work so much better and more fluidly

It is incredible that a good mouse starts from Rs 500 and goes till Rs 10000 and there is no real justification to get one over another. (if you are not gaming)

For me the worst of all would be the low polling rate. It makes the mouse cursor feels really choppy in regular screens but unusable in higher refresh rate monitors.

I was about to buy this. Thanks

His review is more on personal preference, not on praticality

Mine just broke after 2 months for no reason, I searched in internet and supposedly it doesn’t fix after.

Dude, THANK YOU. I felt like I was alone in seeing this as the most overrated mouse ever. It doesn't suck entirely. It has some obvious positives. But OVERALL, for such a highly touted product, it is an infuriating, poor quality, unpolished, somehow close-to-good-but-also-just-terrible, pain in the arse of a peripheral. It's like they got half way through prototyping and went, "that'll do, let's make a billion of these things and gaslight everyone into thinking it's awesome!". The middle click is infuriating. Imagine trying to use this thing for CAD, where you middle click to control the camera. Every single button feels different, and every single button is positioned just slightly off from where it should be, like they're trying to trick you into thinking you're just pressing it wrong. Just, I shouldn't hate it as much as I do, but I hate that such a terrible product is so universally praised. The MX Master 3 belongs in the bin.

Great for reading documents because of the awesome mouse wheel. Although, there are things that a normal mouse wheel does better too, like zooming in CAD-work for example. (Several quick bursts being much better than one unresponsive/unaccurate "send" with the free-scroll, from which you don't know where you'll end up.) And as a pointing device it is indeed simply: Crap. I have degraded mine to "laptop mouse" in favour of my Steelseries Prime Wireless. That thing I can send to the other end of my ultrawide with an effortless swing, or maybe two with a lift in the middle. And I don't even have to think about lifting it up and placing it down elsewhere to adjust pointer position vs. hand position, it just happens. Lifting up and adjusting, or even just flicking around the MX, is clunky, slow and cumbersome due to the weight. The sensor is unaccurate, and what's more, the shape isn't actually ergonomic compared to a classic EC2 ergo shape. I got wrist-pain from it when doing hours of CAD work a day. I don't get that any more with the Prime. That's a completely different (and much better) experience than it was using the MX Master. I just didn't realize the grass was greener on the "gaming mouse side", because the MX Master was such a "premium" hyped up product

do not let bro cook again, bro WILL go on a 2 hour rant on the bloody a70... Edit: Also yeah most of your problems are related to mac os and most mice are optimized for windows...

You need the Logitech MX Master 3S for Mac version.

They gave me the mx master 2s at work and the weight is really excessive, I'm used to 70/80 gram mice and this one weighs twice as much

agree with the scrolling inconsistency with the wheel, got used to it over time but was super annoying for long time

U dont like it because of mac issues not mouse issues.

I like the honesty but these issues are rather strange. I dont have these issues on my Mac with my own Mx Master 3s. I will say that using the LogiOptions+ software is helpful with the sensitivity of scroll wheel, shortcut actions, DPS settings, etc etc. Also why do people complain about Apples pointer acceleration? I actually really like it. It slows down when you make slight movements to give you finer control. I don’t understand what the problem people have with it. Can someone explain lol.

One of the absolute worst things about this mouse is the scrolling! I absolutely hate it. Makes me want to throw the mouse away. Like you said, scrolling in some apps/website, it barely scrolls! I tried doing so many things so that I could scroll a greater distance with one scroll (with smartshift on) but still the experience is soo bad! But then if you switch to free spin the problem is kind of solved but then you can't stop at the position you want because the scroll wheel moves by itself (because of it's weight). It is an infuriating issue to have. All the features and everything is great and all and I do appreciate it for it, but if it's failing at the basic things, then it's hard to stick to it. On a side note I wish Macs had the option to set how many lines would be covered with one scroll flick like in Windows. And as a designer I am not finding much use for it. It doesn't increase my productivity that much. Maybe if I was a video editor it would have helped me.

I had this mouse but had lots of issues with it especially lagging

I would check with support if I was you about the scroll issues, I own 2 of these mice and I can't replicate it (I am on Windows and Linux so it might be that). Thanks for the honest video.

The mx master 3s for mac has de same scroll issue?

A lot of these issues are problems with MacOS and iOS - I hate using my MX Master 3S sometimes. With windows it’s pretty good, I bounce between the 2 operating systems a lot. The scroll wheel can eat my whole ass on anything Apple

The fun part is that a lot of this problems do not exist in the mx master 2

The infinite scroll is not a gimmick, once you get used to it, and especially if you do a lot of scrolling. I can never ever work again with a normal mouse wheel... Plus, a scenario where you just go up and down repeatedly and fast is just so unrealistic and this issue for me is a non-issue... I currently have the G903 and mx anywhere 3 and I just tested this with both. It does exactly as you described in both of them, ends up scrolling down slowly. Yet I only encountered this issue just now by trying to replicate it and I have been daily driving logitech infinite scroll for 6 years now.

i'm looking to get a new mouse for my macbook pro m1. do you suggest getting the mx master or the magic mouse?