They're gearing up for another software beta test run specifically for the Plus (people are opting in over at the forums right now). They've also been very talkative responding to their KZfaq channel comments in regards to questions about the Kontrol keyboards and Maschine (in response to "When's Maschine 3.0?": "Keep your eyes peeled if you're looking for new hardware!" among a lot of 🤫 and 🤐 replies). Maschine MK3 just received a $70 price drop at Sweetwater. The keyboards are going out of stock and not being restocked. NOBODY is talking about any of this lol it seems pretty obvious to me something new is right around the corner, but who knows until we actually get an announcement.
@signas9896 Жыл бұрын
I'll believe it when it's announced. NI always pulls this after a komplete Ultimate release. They take YEARS to update machine software which has gotten better over the last 2 years. But now it's not the time for them to focus on hardware but hardware that fully benefits the software.
@BADMiND Жыл бұрын
@@signas9896 I feel the same. I'm not going to hold my breath or anything, but they're being very outgoing about it lately and I'm just watching it all fall into place. There's nothing until they announce something officially. But whatever it may be, it definitely feels like it's around the corner. I mean they just outright replied to a comment on their channel with "Keep your eyes peeled if you're looking for new hardware!" and are signing up people to beta test a new software update for the Plus. I guess we'll see (or not see) soon enough lol
@jakejesuss Жыл бұрын
What video did you see those comments on 😮?
@milocero Жыл бұрын
Yep I just checked, they teasing about it but not saying any, i just hope we have updates to maschine, honestly it’s my biggest wish from them
I had a new one and reluctantly parted with it after five heartbreaking weeks, as it wasn't up to the job. But an update of revised software would get me back on board in a heartbeat.
@wren23_bass-synths Жыл бұрын
I totally agree. They definitely need to do a update on the Maschine+. Like you mentioned; some things they got right, some wrong. Also, make it easier to import samples from the SD card. I’m having a helluva time doing that.
@liambokser Жыл бұрын
I've been a hardcore Maschine plus user for about 9 months now. I have just bought an Akai MPC Live 2 because there are just some things Maschine needs to fix. On a workflow level something as simple as 'bounce in place', which is one button on an MPC requires you on Maschine to make another instance of the sampler on another pad and re-record every time. For live application MPC live has more outputs, midi and even phono input. The most important thing that Maschine Plus lacks is a standalone autotune plug in which the MPC has, making it impossible to create a professional modern vocal chain. There are expansions and workflow features that are more intuitive on the Maschine Plus but Bolo you are right about it being ahead of its time and in desperate need of a revamp or update. On a positive note if you look at the top comments of people voicing these complaints on Native instruments KZfaq videos, they recently have responded to multiple people saying that new hardware is on the way soon. So it looks like a Maschine update may be on the horizon.
@MyNameJeff.. Жыл бұрын
Yup. I’ve made 10 completed songs with vocals on the live 2 that sound even better sometimes than when I record into logic. It’s not even worth the headache to try that on the plus. I’ve used maschine for over a decade, started making music with it. It’s just beyond ridiculous how this company has fallen, how they fleece money out of people for recycled sample packs, and how they abandoned their flagship product
@AdamElteto Жыл бұрын
Well said, well said... I would say it is an ironic commentary on our time that we cannot do a "pro" vocal chain without Autotune... It always reminds me of the Making of "We are the World", where you hear the camera picking up the vocal tracking session with Lionel Richie, Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson and company, and it sounds like the final vocals. And when Cyndi Lauper' jewelry made noises, they did not iZotope RX-d or edited it, she actually re-sang her lines.Times do change.
@feelmytool11 ай бұрын
I think we need a Maschine MK2 that lets you upgrade ram, storage, and such like the Push 3 does. We need to have most of not the entire Komplete library in a standalone device, otherwise why not just use a MK3 hooked up to a computer?
@suttamuzik2292 Жыл бұрын
I think they are about to drop the maschine as a full daw soon. New look everything. That’s why I think there taking so long!
@leogolive Жыл бұрын
I hope so, it’s past time for them to do that.
@MyNameJeff.. Жыл бұрын
Don’t be too hopeful. I hope so too, but I’ve been using NI and maschine for over a decade now. They don’t listen to there users, and it seems like they’re sole focus is to sell recycled sample packs and novelty/gimmicky play series.
@suttamuzik2292 Жыл бұрын
@@MyNameJeff.. native instruments have been known for spoon feeding updates to there users for years but I think with the the update and changes that Akai has bee doing for the past year and a half, they have to do something. And I believe the clues are in front of our face. With the major partnership with Izotope it just looks like there gearing up for something big. Imagine a daw with Izotope as your built in plugins for mixing and master lol I could be wrong but it’s something to think about!!
@MyNameJeff.. Жыл бұрын
@@suttamuzik2292 I hope that’s the case, I really do.
@jeremythompson6822 Жыл бұрын
@@suttamuzik2292 man a new daw with isotope built in would be a problem!
@nickdeezproductionz Жыл бұрын
I agree with what you 💯%, I just switched back to the Maschine+ because my old 90 style of beats come out sounding best using the M+ in controller mode but ya even the software need a few key updates that should have been there 4 years ago
@CDMESD Жыл бұрын
I love and respect your point of view but the Maschine Minus is over for me. A waste of 1400 dollars. I would get an MK2 instead. Amazing filing system but too many glitches.
@MyNameJeff.. Жыл бұрын
Yup. It’s abandoned by them, shell of what they used to be. Now they just sell recycled sample packs. I rocked with them since 2012, started my music journey with a maschine micro, but I can’t stand the company anymore.
@Marvin-ut4xs9 ай бұрын
I still use the mk2👍
@Princeofmyancestors Жыл бұрын
I agree- the major issue I have is the sounds- they definitely have to allow Kontakt sounds to be installed on this Maschine.. I use my force and Mpc one constantly because if this issue-
@AdamElteto Жыл бұрын
I do not care much for standalone, but as a controller, the MK3 has been great with its Komplete ecosystem and really good browser. Plus I use it with JAM, which gets a new life in Bitwig. True, the software is not as with the times as it could be, but it is a great controller AND even an audio interface. I guess I like to focus on the positive creative music tinkering! Also still great for live performances.
@DJMISTERRIPPER11 ай бұрын
Also the Vst3 support it has....cuz MPC has been dragging they feet on that for years!
@leogolive Жыл бұрын
Bolo I know I damn well I didn’t hear you say “liberries”🤣🤣🤣
@BoloDaProducer Жыл бұрын
Hey man… sometimes I screw it up 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@MrScrooge1980 Жыл бұрын
The option to import chord progressions like the MPCs would be dope!
@CyanideSoundSystem Жыл бұрын
That’s the only thing I’m waiting for ✊🏾😎
@towerrunner4675 Жыл бұрын
Updates cost money, and an MP3 license also cost money. People often believe, companies work for best user experience. That's not true, they work for maximum profit. So I'm not optimistic about your wishes.
@EricRabb Жыл бұрын
Native don’t listen to what consumers request, FL Studio just released a bomb update, and most updates are reflections from consumer requests. Native got to get it together.
@MS7.7 Жыл бұрын
I really love my mk3. I saw FL update but didn't install it yet, however, whenever I open Maschine daw I feel like its 2005 again lmao. They really need to update
@AdamElteto Жыл бұрын
Hey, whenever I use MK3 and JAM, it feels like 1980s, because it is great retrowave!
@edmx11 ай бұрын
I don't think they are gonna do any more major updates. There are def some disappointing aspects of it, but i love the M+ as it is. I have been lucky not to have crashes like some people.
@BoloDaProducer11 ай бұрын
I hope so!
@tigersharc1 Жыл бұрын
I think you pointed out some key things for Maschine. Right now for them to allow Kontakt on the Plus, it needs a new CPU. There are options and would suite this perfect. I forget the company name but there are small cpu's that are meant for gear like a Maschine, Push, and MPC. I'm saying new and improved.... Thy have larger storage, more ram and higher processing speeds. I need to be able to use Kontakt/Play series with the drum expansions... It only makes sense. It also seems NI has gone very quiet ever since the CONVERTERS MOVEMENT started. I think if they don't step up the game in that direction as well they may not have many years left to keep making excuses or trying to fool the masses......
@MS7.7 Жыл бұрын
There is no converter movement. There was a spark but no fire.
@ET2carbon8 ай бұрын
I want them to just sell the current owners an expansion dock that has a battery, subwoofer, and 4 speakers. They could put an output expansion like the Akai did BITD for 8-16 analog outputs. They could make a lot of money doing that and it would be a quick addition to current gear that would need very minimal engineering. They could make it supplement and compliment the processing power of the Maschine+ by bridging the bus power for the CPU and RAM lanes. They could even make a premium dock that would have a laptop hinged touch screen OLED display to be able to easily draw waveforms or edit EQ spectrums or draw automation etc. A real easy thing they could do would be to allow USB/bluetooth track pad connections or stylus that could interface with the 2 small screens. They don't need to develop a whole new deck, just make a modular enhancements work more regular software updates. I want MPE support! I want better Cubase integration! I want tighter exclusive Kontrol MK2 MK3 keyboard integration. They really need to do something, AKAI killing it, now PUSH, Elektron, etc. They need to update the software with easier composition tools too.
@OReyesNY11 ай бұрын
Yes! the kontakt library would make me happy The memory issue can be bypassed by sampling the vst sound.
@ET2carbon8 ай бұрын
That's not the answer. They need to allow splitting the processes over the USB lanes to a GPU external like with a laptop
@MrDoublebeats Жыл бұрын
WIth Native Insttruments (well Native Instruments, Plugin alliance, Izotope and Brainworx) the question I have to ask people is what standalone hardware does Native instruments has that has been updated/upgraded (not controller but standalone)? As far as MP3 import/export its really only this genre that transfer files in non lossless formats, and to be very very real Rap and Hiphop is not one of the things that they lean into. To re-code Kontakt as well as their kontakt libaries is a tall tale especially when they making other things in the future (Im only speaking as a software developer and a person that has been a musician/ producer for the last 20 years or so)
@lw.loPhoria9 ай бұрын
The trusty Mk3. Good stuff here. Thanks for sharing.
@hectorheckler6327 Жыл бұрын
It would be cool if NI put time-stretching on maschine plus and mk3 to allow for better syncing of samples.🤔🙂👍
@hectorheckler6327 Жыл бұрын
@@davonstew480 yeah. I use it all the time. But, there's no time-stretching....only pitching. And the tempo changes drastically.
@BlockBallerRecords11 ай бұрын
The Micro is Really Better I can’t front that little drag and drop option is 🔥🔥 It’s simple and moves quick I’m just messing with the Mpc 1 and it’s Okay I’m trying to get back to the Mpc workflow from my Mpc 500 days cause Native Instruments got me spoiled
@taricleking5633 Жыл бұрын
Yo, Bolo, I personally came to the opinion that for the money that the Maschine+ costs, it's better for me to buy a MK3 and a laptop with parameters comparable to the processor power of the Maschine+. It seems to me that this gives more advantages, besides it makes me portable just as much as the battery charge of my laptop will allow. The only drawback is that you have to carry it everywhere with you, but modern laptops are so thin, especially those that do not have a video card that is not necessary for our purposes, that I do not see this as a problem.
@AdamElteto Жыл бұрын
Yup, right on, even with a lightweight MacBook Air or a decent Windows touchscreen laptop, it is a killer creative and performance combo.
@hymnwho5755 Жыл бұрын
I cook up crazy on my plus. I feel you 100%
@nx6ht Жыл бұрын
They need to let us use template on standalone mode
@dwaynemusik Жыл бұрын
Native instruments comes out with alot of updates im just coming to akai with the key 61 and I gotta say maschines work flow is better the ropes you gotta jump thru in midi controller mode is a pain. And the q links are better on maschine
@ET2carbon8 ай бұрын
They could split processing over the USB lanes like you do on an external GPU for a laptop
@alexrivera922 Жыл бұрын
“Maschine Plus Plus” 😂 @Bolo that discount on analog Cases site with your link was good to go! picked up a Case through your link and saved a nice little coin 🪙! Thank you My Brother 💪🏽 🔊 🔊 🎶 🔊🔊
@BoloDaProducer Жыл бұрын
Thanks for picking it up!!!
@nadirkarim7573 Жыл бұрын
They need a full blown look and with a ssd hard drive of your choice to put in it like they do for the mpc x with unlimited drive space, they need to fix the crackle sound as well- asio audio updates or some sound source audio that’s better ,they really need to beast it out,,,and ram space 32 gigs or more ,,,we need a maschine not a shelf saver
@Dispatcher813 Жыл бұрын
S2400 the best modern day sampler . That thing sounds like cream
@uploadmusic6911 ай бұрын
We should be able to automate groupmutes in song mode !
@Sanjmaghera6 ай бұрын
Can Maschine+ record a live performance, and full song length audio tracks, without being attached to a computer?
@glendwellz Жыл бұрын
They should definitely do an upgrade. And what u mention about the Kontakt instruments. They should make a kontakt mini or something for the plus standalone. Option to choose 20-50 instruments and not a whole kontakt plug in. Anytime you favorite a sound it goes straight to that folder or add to plus folder or something. Many times I work on standalone and use say a crappy sounding bass or piano but I know what I would use from kontakt instruments
@mrrafsk11 ай бұрын
Guess what coming up? It’s got to be something you can buy and works with a new version on the Maschine Software (as it’s in Beta).
@mrrafsk11 ай бұрын
A Maschine jam with mpe and adat maybe, so I don’t have to buy an Abelton standalone? Lol.
@mrrafsk11 ай бұрын
Maybe it’s about integration with KKC mk3, and the update makes the KKC standalone if plugged into Maschine Plus? The reviews of the KKC show that when accessing Maschine box-software on the new KKC, they have substantially developed access to Kontakt, and they have that big screen, so maybe the update has more instruments and a better UI (as the KKC has a separate CPU for its’s graphics)….???
@jeremythompson6822 Жыл бұрын
A couple of things I can see them doing in the near future. Finally giving us a full linear DAW since their focus right now seems to be on software than hardware. It’s time for a new Maschine controller possibly in the form of a MK4 or a Maschine Studio MK2 with touchscreen(Bolo is big on those). If they drop a new Studio I would expect the price range to be between what the MK3 currently cost and the Plus. I currently have the MK2 and I am trying to hold out for new software and a new Maschine. We shall see!! Akai and Ableton done stepped up NI gotta respond👀
@AdamElteto Жыл бұрын
Maschine Key 61... Though it did not work out as well for Akai... With the displays and knobs being the same, they just need to add 16 pads to their 61 key controller and make it standalone!
@thahomie7737 ай бұрын
I’m thinking about getting a plus should I wait or go ahead and grab one idk is it still relevant to have in 2024
@tylergilliard2495 Жыл бұрын
I still have my Maschine Jam. Really been looking to update since I only use it as a drum pad.
@AdamElteto Жыл бұрын
Here, have a like and a fellow JAMmer high five. That thing is great, and gets a new life in Bitwig. Plus, you can use the touch faders as expression controllers for instruments or as DAW faders without more expensive motorized consoles. They should bring it back with softer, velocity sensitive pads. That would be like Force but also with an MPC pad surface!
@tylergilliard2495 Жыл бұрын
@@AdamElteto I agree. I honestly hate the way its faded off. Im trying to figure a better way to use it in logic.
@m-chopbeats7526 Жыл бұрын
The fact that they updated the branding...new units should be on its way... because currently their hardware still has the old logo
@JaeFreshmen Жыл бұрын
thats a good point forsure
@ThatJerseyBloke Жыл бұрын
I passed on the Maschne Plus because the CPU is dated. Love working on a friend's though and I'm patiently waiting for a Mark 2. I love the ergonomics of it the most with the pads on the right and the controls on the left! They'd just take my money if it had a more powerful CPU.
@user-eb2go5to9v9 ай бұрын
also I need Play box work on M+ standalone mode,with next update.I don't want M+MK2😮 maybe M+ new CPU removable changing option? like M+ custom🎉🎉🎉
@ET2carbon8 ай бұрын
They Def need to do something modular or expansion dock
@PANTHERMUSICGROUP10 ай бұрын
The reason is because mp3 sound is missing frequencies. A Wave has all the different frequencies and you do not need to have a certain mp3 software to play it back. analog and wave is the ultimate.
@BoloDaProducer9 ай бұрын
I feel ya but at least give us the option
@ET2carbon8 ай бұрын
Flac solves that and can still stream through email services
@Blacksonaudio Жыл бұрын
MP3 yes!!! Kontakt for standalone yes!!
@DBX79 Жыл бұрын
Bolo, I need your help brother. How do you access Drum Synth on Maschine+ from the hardware? I usually tweak my snares, and kicks so they’re not the stock sound. Is this even possible from the controller?
@darkuniversesound10 ай бұрын
The Drum Synth sounds are immediately available by pushing PLUG-IN button on top left buttons, then make sure you're on SOUND on the top white buttons, and push down on the 4D jog wheel, which pushes the + sign on the left screen, and brings up menu options on the right screen for all your Drum Synth sounds, as well as Bass Synth and Poly Synth 🤙🌌
@DBX7910 ай бұрын
@@darkuniversesound Yeah, it’s took me a day, or two but I found it by holding the pad, and making my adjustments that way. Thanks for the follow up info though.
@DBX799 ай бұрын
I was able to make my adjustments. It’s a trip even going from Maschine to Maschine+ you have a lot of changes, and workarounds.
@agustinbernal2760 Жыл бұрын
Let’s not loose faith, there should be a major update to M+ soon!! Which of your drum packs will work with M+, please let me know!
@Bigheadedwon8 ай бұрын
There may be some hope for a new NI product. I know they're slow to introduce few products. But, I'm on the fence about buying a Plus next month. And almost without fail, when I buy a new toy, within 45 days the company announces a brand new model out of nowhere. So if I buy the Plus, NI will shortly after announce an Plus MK2, but if I buy an MPC One, sorry probably no new product. Well not from NI anywho, if I buy an MPC One Akai will announce something new a month later. It's kinda like Ground Hogs day but for technology products.
@lextron-audio Жыл бұрын
Would love you to review the Pioneer DJS-1000 sampler
@MorCrisEntertainment Жыл бұрын
They should go bluetooth??? That would be a good update. It get's wifi!!! js
@wesheriveaux9325 Жыл бұрын
I love the MKIII but have not even begun to scratch the surface of this thing
@ToneRoyal Жыл бұрын
what keyboard stand do you use? would love that combo for my gear
@mechasartre369411 ай бұрын
I love my + but I hate how little NI have done with it.
@hailnaryproductionz3661 Жыл бұрын
A Maschine Plus mark 2 fasho 🙏🏾💪🏾
@Emily_M81 Жыл бұрын
When the MPC head is still holding a candle for the Maschine+ Are you paying attention Native Instruments?? Sequel device - Maschine Double Plus Good, or Maschine DPG lol... I've run Kontakt on the Maschine+ though NI made it harder after some update. Definitely can't run libraries that need to be installed with Native Access, ie with a serial number. It can only run libraries that require the full version, and even then it can be frustrating to get it going. I think the issue is they laid off so many developers; all they do lately is release sounds. Maschine+ gets updates when Maschine software is updated (though not always at parity...). So I really don't know what their capability even is to give M+ users updates.
@ernestm8884 Жыл бұрын
I still, a year later have problem chopping samples for maschine mk3
@sergeantpeppi7787 Жыл бұрын
i send the video to NI write them all that we need the 3 plugin usability!!!
@BoloDaProducer Жыл бұрын
I talk with them a lot, new stuff coming soon!
@sergeantpeppi7787 Жыл бұрын
@@BoloDaProducer that’s nice I hope the 3 party support added quickly haha
@zanza_the_rewolverine Жыл бұрын
@@BoloDaProducer they need to make it look like serato sample, being able to put serato sample in standalone through vst3 would be amazing and would really make a difference.
@vaughnburton4521 Жыл бұрын
The Maschine could be the best sequencer out there.. but the fact that it doesn’t load MP3’s STILL is just disgusting in 2023. There’s no excuse
@MyNameJeff.. Жыл бұрын
Nah fam. They abandoned it. I have one and I’ve accepted it. Let their new logo be an analogy of their new company - empty with no identity
@patrickhatri11 ай бұрын
I feel like Maschine (New Hardware + Updates) & GTA 6 are one in the same now. High expectations with staggering stress for the companies! Lol
@patrickhatri11 ай бұрын
Because society will riot 😅
@Drrolfski Жыл бұрын
Since buying into Traktor DJ software it has been an NI update hell that caused the software to hopelessly lag behind for over a decade now. As such, I don't trust Native Instruments hardware support anymore and got the MPC Live 2.
@maddfrequency2294 Жыл бұрын
But I don't chase the newest thing..usually takes me months to unlock it all
@davidmanning6398 Жыл бұрын
Bolo why even acknowledge machine when you love Akai so much I’m loyal if Akai is giving me everything need why go elsewhere idk
@mechasartre369411 ай бұрын
Different machines lead you to different sounds, I love my 2500 and use it almost exclusively but the stuff that I make on the + sounds completely different and I personally like that.
@sergeantpeppi7787 Жыл бұрын
3 party plugin usability
@user-yk2eq6uq2d4 ай бұрын
I don’t thank they need to make another one they need to up date it if they going to make anything make a reel standalone like the Mpc make the machine studio into a standalone with a touch screen and make it the same size and throw the complete control in the trash all that space on it and you don’t have pads on it that crazzy
@JayfkProductions876 Жыл бұрын
Sorry it's been over, NI doesn't seem to have plans to push any firmware updates that could possibly fix some issues nor new updates 😂 😂 😂 😂 Give up the Maschine+ Ghost Bolo let Her Gooooo
@BoloDaProducer Жыл бұрын
I’m trying to hold on for dear life Brotha!!!…. 🤣🤣🤣
@AdamElteto Жыл бұрын
Keep the (Plus) faith, Brother!
@hailnaryproductionz3661 Жыл бұрын
I wish NI had a Maschine Plus with 8 outputs or 10
@AdamElteto Жыл бұрын
Just use it with a decent touchscreen laptop and a multichannel interface, it beats most everything else that way.
@Fakestockguru3 ай бұрын
Vst effects and non Native instruments
@maddfrequency2294 Жыл бұрын
Personally...I dig it
@jackbauer1805 Жыл бұрын
Been a beta tester for Maschine since 2014. Extremely slow development forced me back to an MPC three years ago. Been happy with the X ever since. Maschine Studio was sold last year……
@TheKule1 Жыл бұрын
😂😂😂 I’m so happy I passed on it. NI is famous for abandoning their hardware like the Maschine Studio. I like my MPC X it has way better workflow.
@hailnaryproductionz3661 Жыл бұрын
I send emails Wav files through Mega with a download link.
@nsp932 Жыл бұрын
It’s over for NI unfortunately. All they do now is release expansions and bs play series instruments.
@MrDoublebeats Жыл бұрын
They havve leaned into scoring and dj production
@AdamElteto Жыл бұрын
I would say updating Komplete every two years is a good buy. The amount of instruments and sound content are very diverse. I still love Absynth! Then Reaktor, Massive X, Battery and creative synths... Lots to discover, though not through Maschine +, unfortunately...
@redviagra Жыл бұрын
You still trying😂😂😂 NI dont care about maschine.. They are a sound company.. They dont have the resorces for software development😂
@towerrunner4675 Жыл бұрын
True. One can feel lucky, if they fix some bugs. New features by update? Nope, because this platform is outdated.
@ECollinsMusic Жыл бұрын
If the drum kits are cheap why should anyone buy them bro...Not expensive is a better phrase
@rmriwatch Жыл бұрын
Touchscreen: hardware change, very costly. Reading kontakt libraries from sd card: not feasible as sd cards are not optimized for random access, it would glitch. These are very naive points, good for a video, less so for actual feature requests. I like your other videos but this was not it.
@mechasartre369411 ай бұрын
Assuming that you are correct and there are no workarounds, I’m not sure we should expect Bolo to be educated on absolutely everything.
@m-chopbeats7526 Жыл бұрын
They were innovative with the Maschine. They saw that more and more people were making beats on their computers...so they bridged that gap while Akai was silent in that area at the time. Now with the plus they were playing in Akai's territory but with no real direction.... should just stick with the computer
@GeoffreyB203 Жыл бұрын
Stop saying your drum kits are cheap. How about affordable or not expensive. Respectfully 🙏🏾
@AdamElteto Жыл бұрын
I think he is being refreshingly honest. You know how big companies say "we are adjusting pricing" instead of admitting "We are jacking up prices, suckaaas!" Cheap is cheap, but not necessarily low quality.
@dennissantana970 Жыл бұрын
Bolo, can you do yourself a favor!!!!! Stop saying that your drum packs are CHEAP! It give them a whole different connotation to what you really want to express. Saying they are cheap, devaluates them. People associate the word cheap with something thats not good or is inferior! Marketing 101, say they are INEXPENSIVE, you might just sell more! No one wants something that is CHEAP...................
@magnuseriksson8081 Жыл бұрын
Native is hopeless, they are all over the place at the moment. They need to organize themselves and get shit done. If the stop supporting the plus hardware I will stay away from them forever.