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Bonsaify | Learning About These Details Will Make Your Bonsai Pots Better!

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Күн бұрын

Do you want to try your hand at making bonsai pots? In this video Eric goes through a number of details that are key to making sure that your are successful in capturing the feeling of a bonsai pot. The creative expression is all up to you, just adhere to these conventions!
0:02 What makes a bonsai pot a bonsai pot?
1:02 Eric talks about a pot he made in 2006 and why the square hole is not ideal.
2:45 This pot has no feet! Because there are no gaps in the bottom lip it may cause ponding of water in wet conditions.
3:42 The usability of this pot is impacted by the weak appearance of the rim - a wider rim would give it much more presence in the composition.
4:30 Using two similar square pots, Eric discusses how the small details can make a difference. One pot has mostly straight lines while the other uses gentle curves to accomplish a wider lip and more character.
6:18 All about feet! Nearly all bonsai pots have feet, the foot is both practical and aesthetic.
7:36 Second example of feet, created by trimming a thrown pot.
8:25 Eric describes how cutouts can fall short of creating the look of a foot, and instead just create small gaps that are functional, but don't make the feet look good.
9:30 Example of incorporating a motif into the foot design.
10:30 Eric discusses two pots that don't follow the rule that the wall of the pot should be leaning outward and how it makes them seem to not be a bonsai pot.
12:10 The hole pattern of this pot causes a lot more work when using it!
12:53 Raised lips at the edge of drainage holes from incomplete clay work can cause health problems in the plants.
13:40 Eric talks about how no glaze goes on the inside of a bonsai pot more than 1/4" below the rim.
14:35 An example of good looking feet that are not functional. Be sure to leave vertical room for tie wires.
16:50 Eric discusses adapting common shapes and whether or not this will be successful, using a sake cup as an unsuccessful example.
If you're an aspiring bonsai potter share some of your work with Bonsaify!
Have tips for everyone that we didn't think of? Share them in the comments below!

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@bjrockensock
@bjrockensock 2 жыл бұрын
An outward flare as the pot trends upward, or a pot whose mouth is bigger than the neck, allows for frost expansion. In areas that freeze where the pots are left on the bench, broken pots are common from frost heave, that is, the moisture expands and there is no room for the ice to move the soil and it breaks the rim. Another consideration for frostproof pots is that the firing temperature has to be hot enough to completely vitrify the clay or it may be too porous for cold weathering.
@Bonsaify
@Bonsaify 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks Brandon! I didn't discuss vitrification, but any high fire is typically okay. Do you know a cone that is the cutoff?
@jaycrockett9205
@jaycrockett9205 2 жыл бұрын
Your always ,correct, if you look at the Japanese training pots they have glazed rims, I think it so moss won't grow on the edge, so they don't slip from your hand ,when you pick the pot up
@BlueJayBonsai
@BlueJayBonsai 2 жыл бұрын
Great insights Eric! A thoroughly informative and entertaining video! 👍
@mariakellner5429
@mariakellner5429 2 жыл бұрын
I bought some plasterboard joining tape it's 2 inch by 50 meters it's a mesh type and it's great to use for the drainage hole it's slightly adhesive and it stays put.tfs your technique. When I use a non bonsai I use adhesive raised plastic dots
@HarusaiBonsai
@HarusaiBonsai 20 күн бұрын
Wonderful work
@KLAR_Creations
@KLAR_Creations 2 жыл бұрын
What a nice video! So many professionals show their best pieces to show off and how to do it…you do the opposite and show your beginnings and it’s learning mistakes…Thank you!!!
@sharonkuh3422
@sharonkuh3422 2 жыл бұрын
Great instructive video, Eric! I will try my hand at creating some bonsai pots in 2022. 🌳🪴
@chinamistbonsaipottery5578
@chinamistbonsaipottery5578 2 жыл бұрын
Nice critique of those different styes of bonsai pot Eric. I agree with what you pointed out with each one, I also find it especially tricky to add a rim to the inside top of pots so always add the rim to the outside as you point out this makes it difficult to get the tree out when repotting. You mentioned glazing on the inside of a bonsai pot and I believe the reason we don't do it is because the tree roots seem to 'cling' better to the unglazed rough texture of the clay (I use a crank clay body). I did see an explanation years ago so not sure how true this is, however I never glaze the inside of my pots - unless it a Suiban!
@conspiraterry7393
@conspiraterry7393 Жыл бұрын
I took a pottery class in 2011 so I could make bonsai pots. This would have been great to have before I started. I thought I was going to love throwing pots on the wheel but found I loved hand building. I want to get back into it.
@dennystewart3238
@dennystewart3238 2 жыл бұрын
I am a hand building potter who knew NOTHING about bonsai pots. I got a commission to make some but I was winging it. Your videos have been extremely helpful. I'm hoping to continue making them even after the commission now that I know the purpose of the holes, how they are used, etc. It's definitely a learning experience! Thanks for your help and great explanations.
@zeroeure
@zeroeure 2 жыл бұрын
I AM an aspiring bonsai pot maker! Just made my first and this video couldn’t have come at a better time :)
@Notaprohobbyist
@Notaprohobbyist 2 жыл бұрын
Do you have a website or etsy page to buy pots?
@zeroeure
@zeroeure 2 жыл бұрын
@@Notaprohobbyist thanks but no, no place yet.
@Bonsaify
@Bonsaify 2 жыл бұрын
Zero - when you have some work finished, send us some photos!
@andersnrregren9087
@andersnrregren9087 2 жыл бұрын
After 25years of growing trees in pots i got my 1. Real bonsais pot by a danish potter called Elsebeth or E.B.L
@roostarstuios
@roostarstuios 8 ай бұрын
I am making bonsai pots for the first time and this video was very helpful. Could you guys do a break down of bonsai pot styles and names?
@JohnSmith-ut5mv
@JohnSmith-ut5mv Жыл бұрын
Holy snikes how much for the skull pot that blew my mind I've never seen anything like it I'm currently making my own concrete pots but nothing on the level of what you have especially that's skull pot just amazing and thank you for the advice appreciate informative videos like this
@Bonsaify
@Bonsaify Жыл бұрын
John - if you like that, check out Thor Holvila's web store: www.holvilabonsaipot.com/shop-1?page=2 email me if you want the one I have and we can discuss.
@JohnSmith-ut5mv
@JohnSmith-ut5mv Жыл бұрын
@@Bonsaify I looked at those parts and you're not kidding some incredibly stunning pots I looked for your email address and I'm kind of new to all this only really use KZfaq and email
@Bonsaify
@Bonsaify Жыл бұрын
contact @ bonsaify . com
@mayfly182
@mayfly182 2 жыл бұрын
With regards to the square central hole, if you put the staple diagonally to begin with there would be no ability for the screen to rotate at all, so there'd be less potential for movement even than a round hole. Perhaps that was your original thought in making the holes square?
@Bonsaify
@Bonsaify 2 жыл бұрын
Maybe. And yes you are correct. But round works. Perhaps I even thought that a square hole would drain better because the surface tension of water would be less at the corner. I'm not sure what I was thinking in 2006.🙈. In retrospect I see no benefit, but I am not omnipotent and all-seeing.👀
@bustamante-music
@bustamante-music Жыл бұрын
that pot at 9:40 goes craaazy
@tomasferreirarubial1455
@tomasferreirarubial1455 2 жыл бұрын
👏👏👏
@9daywonda
@9daywonda 2 жыл бұрын
Interesting topic, the skull foot pot especially. I was expecting Conan the Barbarian or Indiana Jones to turn up hey???
@bonsaikastur
@bonsaikastur 2 жыл бұрын
I'd prefer multiple small holes than a big one just to not use a net to close the gap.
@joeydupre6153
@joeydupre6153 26 күн бұрын
Re: problem with square holes. A square hole makes for 4 stress risers at the corners.........just like the perferations in paper. They cause both a concentration and a weakness at those points.
@CLINTSTER77COX
@CLINTSTER77COX 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t find a video that I think was yours . You mentioned in passing about a technique of only removing the top inch or 2 of soil. But I can’t remember what you called that . Excellent videos 👍🏻
@Bonsaify
@Bonsaify 2 жыл бұрын
Fall soil cleanup is called Soji, you can check the pomegranate video at about the 2:45-3:30 mark. I may have mentioned it in the black pine fall video also...
@dudesjir74
@dudesjir74 2 жыл бұрын
❤❤❤❤❤
@r.tpieces3662
@r.tpieces3662 Жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for sharing these tips. I have made few bonsai pots and I am always wondering about the thickness of the walls . What should be the ideal thickness of the slab ? Should the thickness of the walls be same for the thrown pots and slab pots?
@Bonsaify
@Bonsaify Жыл бұрын
The thickness is generally determined by a balance between structural strength and utility. In larger pots you have a thicker clay throughout. In smaller pots you don't need as much strength so you want to prioritize the volume of soil. Certain areas of pots are normally slightly thicker - the junction of the wall and bottom, and the rim for example. I don't think there is a difference between round and other shapes. You should study existing pots and potters for more detailed information.
@asdqwe4468
@asdqwe4468 2 жыл бұрын
I think the reason not to glaze the inside of pots is that it's not necessary and would be a waste of glaze. I don't see that it makes a difference for the plants. People grow bonsai in plastic pots with no problems. The surface of the inside makes no big difference for the plant.
@TheFeliceforte
@TheFeliceforte 2 жыл бұрын
Great video! Very informative, still I have some questions. With what type of clay i should make a bonsai pot? Bonsai pot has to absorb water so has to be made with earthenware clay or should be make with stoneware clay what is high fired clay so it doesn't absorb water?
@Bonsaify
@Bonsaify 2 жыл бұрын
Hi - most bonsai pots are stoneware, the porosity is not important to the plant. TBH, I'm not sure it's ever been shown that terra cotta has some benefit over plastic. If anyone has actual evidence, LMK. You don't want the pot to absorb water because it can then break in a frost. Generally, the clay body is important for traditional pots, and a dark reddish brown or purple-brown clay is the most prized. I would suggest you study the IG profile for Tiberio Gracco who is an Italian bonsai potter who sources his own clays. (rather than manufactured clays.)
@antonioraviolioto3886
@antonioraviolioto3886 Жыл бұрын
@@BonsaifySome of the most highly regarded early to mid 20th Japanese bonsai potters have used quite a bit of white clay. Heian Tofukuji, Heian Kouzan, and Tsukinowa Yusen are prime examples. I've found that white clays tend to give a visual pop to bright and glossy glazes. For unglazed pots, I still prefer the browns, reds, and purples.
@triciazeitler4911
@triciazeitler4911 7 ай бұрын
Thanks for the great info. Im a potter and I want to make myself a bonsai pot. What clay do you use for outdoor use to avoid freeze/ thaw cracking? Thanks!
@Bonsaify
@Bonsaify 7 ай бұрын
I'm not an expert in this because I live in San Francisco...lol. But I believe it is the firing temperature more than the clay. (although the two are obviously related.). I think Cone 6 is the recommended minimum firing for vitrified stoneware. So avoid terra cotta type stuff and go for a Cone 6, 8 or 10 clay. I use Laguna "Dark" locally - but clay is a regional product for the most part.
@zeroeure
@zeroeure 2 жыл бұрын
My question: “Bonsai pots aren’t glazed on the inside” curious if we don’t know the horticultural reasons- is the reason “just because” perhaps? Perhaps there isn’t much of a reason that would be a detriment to the trees, as we see porcelain has been used, folks have used fully glazed pots, and the textural coefficient doesn’t stop other potted plants from growing well. Perhaps the pervasive element of * no glaze on the inside* actually comes from a tradition of economy or horticultural myths of roots being happier grabbing a more rough surface. I’d love to know your thoughts as I had just had this convo today with folks and was reading about it on BNut.
@PIT-EKA
@PIT-EKA 2 жыл бұрын
Glaze gives the pot personality that we can appreciate on the outside of the pot.....glazing the inside of pots is basically a waste of glaze.
@zeroeure
@zeroeure 2 жыл бұрын
@@PIT-EKA thanks for the response and I love your work btw- in that case I may continue to glaze the inside of my pots until it’s no longer within my means.
@Sylvicolus
@Sylvicolus 2 жыл бұрын
I thought the absence of glaze on the inside and both sides of the pot bottom help with evaporation of water, so the pot can breathe a bit like a terracotta pot.
@zeroeure
@zeroeure 2 жыл бұрын
@@Sylvicolus actually pots used for bonsai or outdoor use other than terra cotta or such are vitrified, making them mostly impervious to water, so they don’t do the “breathing” that terra cotta or earthenware does.
@PIT-EKA
@PIT-EKA 2 жыл бұрын
@@Sylvicolus terracotta is a low fired clay with a high absorption rate. Mid and high fired clay when vitrified have a very low absorption rate which limits water entering the fired clay. This is why they are able to survive repeated freeze and thaw cycles.
@lyledeschand863
@lyledeschand863 2 жыл бұрын
Hi Eric, I've been making pots for 5 or 6 years . I have always added lugs about halfway down on the inside of taller pots for tie wire, cascade, semi cascade etc. Have you seen or heard of anyone else doing this? I'm mainly looking for any good reason not to.. seems like a good idea to me.. please give me any insight on any pros or cons you can see in doing it this way.. thanks Lyle
@andersnrregren9087
@andersnrregren9087 2 жыл бұрын
It will make it hard to get tree out when repotting
@Bonsaify
@Bonsaify 2 жыл бұрын
There are problems with tall pots and tie wires. But I don't imagine lugs on the inside would be the best solution, as Anders said, it will make it harder to take the tree out at repotting.
@lyledeschand863
@lyledeschand863 2 жыл бұрын
@@Bonsaify hey thanks for taking the time for feedback I will take what you guys said into consideration.👍
@brucedeacon28
@brucedeacon28 2 жыл бұрын
👍🍎👌
@user-tc6dt5hr6c
@user-tc6dt5hr6c Жыл бұрын
Eric Really nice video, your comments are spot on. The initial reason pots are not glazed on the inside (per Michael Ryan Bell) is that when glazes had minerals such as lead in them, they were toxic to the trees. So no part of the soil was allowed to touch the glazed area as it could leach and poison the trees. Not glazing the insides is now just traditional.
@caesar1717
@caesar1717 2 жыл бұрын
Excellent presentation of bonsai pots. Interesting, attractive, with lots of details and pertinent observations. And I think not everything has been said yet. This could be only part one of a larger presentation. Have you thought of continuing it? You could also talk about the suitability of the tree to the pot, how to choose the right pot for a particular tree. There is so much to say about bonsai pots, and you are clearly both experienced and gifted in teaching. Well done!
@Bonsaify
@Bonsaify 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for your comment. I could do more videos along these lines, but matching the pot to the tree is too large a topic to cover in one sitting. It's better to discuss in the context of a specific tree with examples. Then another tree... Then another.
@VinnyChirayil
@VinnyChirayil 2 жыл бұрын
12:20 - "Too many holes creating additional labour of putting drainage screens" Why not use 1 large sheet of drainage screen ? Japanese bonsai nurseries use it. Herons bonsai nursery, UK uses it too. Its a problem only if one wants individual screens for each hole. But why do it that way ? What difference does it make to trees whether it is 1 large screen or multiple small screens ?
@VinnyChirayil
@VinnyChirayil 2 жыл бұрын
12:31 - "They are not really creating any benefit for the plant" If this was true, then whats the need for 2 medium sized holes or 1 large hole ? Just 1 medium sized hole should be fine. The obvious benefit of this perforated pot floor is better drainage & aeration. Most bonsai pots lack this & hence, its a common practice to put larger substrate particles at the bottom. Even when the pot is kept tilted, a common practice, its drainage will be far superior to a 1 hole pot, which is guaranteed to accumulate excess water. So i find no merit in your criticism. Your teacher Boon uses pumice as bottom drainage layer (search "deciduous training bonsai boon" on youtube). Regardless, i hope your complaint of having to cover all drainage holes is consistently applied at ALL pots (nursery & bonsai) having more than 1 medium sized hole. Even unused large wire holes count bcos they too need screens. Google "Repotting and Rootpruning Bonsai - Part II bonsai4me" to see a pot with many such holes. I hope you will call this too a bad design for the sake of consistency of your criticism. Many European bonsai potters have eliminated the need for drainage screens completely by having a perforated floor of tiny holes, which i feel is a superior design compared to pots with 1-2 holes. On youtube, search for "martin englert bonsai potter" to see such bonsai pots. He is a German potter. Also, image search "Pötscher Walter bonsaischalen walu" & see pots with drainage slits instead of holes and grooves to guide roots to the holes. From the search result of images, choose the one from Bonsai Schalen. On Bing search engine (not google), do an image search for "drilling extra drainage holes in bonsai pot" to see Michael Hagedorn (blue dress, brown pot) drilling big extra holes. He is doing this bcos he was unhappy with the drainage & aeration from 1 large hole & needed 3 more. Many bonsai artists, including experts, often partly bury the bonsai pot in soil, for roots to escape out and get extra growth. The escaping roots are sacrificial and a perforated floor or pot with multiple drainage holes easily allows that, while pots with 1-2 holes easily lose drainage when multiple roots escape out through 1-2 holes & block it. Google "Incredible 388-Year-Old Bonsai Tree Survived Hiroshima Blast mymodernmet" and see 3rd pic from top - a bonsai pot buried in substrate.
@matkany
@matkany 2 жыл бұрын
If you put the staple into the corner it will not fall out or move. It will be more stable than with round hole. Debunked.
@Andi_M.
@Andi_M. 2 жыл бұрын
2:14 ok but: Who the hell turns a tree around in a pot like this?? No one!!! So thats why i never fix trainage screens in a pot... Cause no one ever move it anyway
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