so are you telling me that the Trello team, the ones in charge to distribute the game's information accurately, have to figure said information on their fucking own? the owner hates hand holding so much that he refuses to help his own team, hilarious.

If yall watched his top 10 games video, his number one was Breath of the Wild, which has the player spend the majority of their time exploring the open world

"No Handholding" only really works when the game's gameplay is simplistic enough that the player can guess and be right about what they need to do at a glimpse. Only example I've played is Cruelty Squad, where you see a guy with a big target on him and you'd probably guess you need to kill him.

Yeah the dev really did say that lol. “It’s not bugged” - NuovaPrime 2023

The Eclipse community is basically just ‘’We hang around stupid people so we look smart in comparison’’ because most of us have common sense. Eclipse makes videos on games with stupid communities, gets ragebait, his fanbase laughs at the idiots and then Eclipse makes a ddos video. I love it.

My favorite thing nuova did was when he accidently wiped like half of everyone's inventory while trying to fix a dupe glitch and his reply to the community being upset all their legit gear that took hours to farm got deleted was saying "Was probably duped anyway" and no one got reimbursed

Owner meltdown? Is that a lobotomy corporation reference?!

the owner- "fuck the begginers they should talk with everyone and waste 20 hours to finish one quest"

Eclipse, no matter how discouraged you are, please continue to make these videos. There needs to be someone holding these games accountable for their horrible design, and despite only doing this for money, you still somehow keep your morals intact. You're a legend, never quit please!

can't wait to hear about a roblox dev's entire meltdown over someone just talking about their game edit: hilarious how he tries to compare his directionless game to elden ring in any capacity when elden ring not only has a tutorial but the grace sites (checkpoints/spawn points) literally point you in the direction you should go...

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Eclipse! You clearly haven't considered that maybe, just maybe the entire script for the game is written in such a way that moving the tutorial NPC will completely nuke everything and Arcane Lineage will never work again.

Eclipse, I would like to talk some more about Nuova and his.. "personality" I was helping donating stuff to the trello team (the trello team probably doesnt know it tho since i gave them to a friend who was a friend of a trello staff member) The donating stuff went towards the mark obtainment. The first 3 days saw people wiping WEEKS of progress to try and get marks. There is an item in game called "echo shard" which require you to beat the hardest boss in the game, called Metrom's Vessel, to obtain. The boss is pretty much impossible to do if you didnt spend AT LEAST 200 hours into the game and spent over 1k robux to get slots and race rerolls. Now guess what people felt when these echo shards and many more stuff that is just as rare, was lost because Nuova didnt feel like he wanted to patch a bug, or even admit there was a bug. Mark obtainment is a whole different story. You need to donate like 50 artifacts which are 1% drops for each TIER of the mark (you get wiped after every tier btw) and thats just the first mark. The second mark is the most broken shit in the game that can deal half of the final boss health in 1 turn with little setup. So basically, if you didnt spend at the very least, 400 hours into the game, you aint getting even ACCEPTED into the party to fight the final boss. There was many complaints about this in suggestions. Getting to the last boss was impossible without being carried by a very rich friend in trade market pretty much. And guess what Nuova said to these complains? "The testers beat it, skill issue". Yeah, the testers that get unlimited lives and can edit their own builds beat the final boss, and now Nuova is using it as excuse to justify the final boss being unavailable for 99% of the player base. I mentioned it in your AL video already, but I will say it again. The early stages of your progression in AL isnt NEARLY as big of an issue as the late stages.

Ok I’m actually upset at the “same thing as campfires in deepwoken” like campfires aren’t universally represented as safe spaces or places to save in like… a billion popular games! The entire soul series (an obvious major inspiration for Deepwoken) and like every other RPG ever have them as either integral game mechanics or put them all over safe zones! (I honestly think it’s probably not that there is a high number of games that have it but instead a few really popular games that do, but still it’s like basic gaming rule #5 campfire=safe)

What you said at the end of the video reminded me of when deepwoken KZfaqrs got mad when they started improving the new player experience and said “the game is becoming too easy”

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i love how after countless DDOS's, people are finally starting to understand what's bad game design and are doing Eclipses work for him

DDoS :saluting-face: Can't wait to hear bout the meltdown. Also i love to see how the kids online think the genre "Rogue-like" means "Rogue Lineage-like" LMAO.

i used to like peroxide i guess because it was different from most games but it does have its major flaws too and people got mad when i said to them "if you need outside source the game sucks" they said using the games codes is outside source WHEN YOU CAN GET THE STUFF WITHOUT CODES

I love your ddos videos, its really fun to watch you completly destroy braindead arguments from multiple people. Please keep them up!❤

Eclipse is great reviewer. His takes are genuinely valid. Will that stop me from playing the game? Of course not. But it’s nice to see someone else’s opinion on games.

Elden ring has a tutorial and literally explains all the basics, and the graces literally show u an arrow on how to progress the story i don't think the dev has played the game at all💀💀

Oh god, I love so much DDOS videos, lov u eclipse keep up the good work

>12:43 AM >eclipse uploads looks like i'll start ramadan hungry

This is the only thing that is holding my sanity on the platform keep up the good work!!

I've gotta say with your game opinions it feels like a breath of fresh air, it feels like you just give your honest unfiltered thoughts. That was one of the reasons I enjoyed this channel, especially non roblox stuff even if it does poorly

When i played deepwoken i always had 10 wiki pages open. You need the outside sources to do stuff like layer 2, duke quest or ferryman. One of these requires you to randomly find an island in the void sea and light campfires around a ritual thing.

that kid around 4:20 prob thought "rogue-like" was referencing rogue lineage or smth, which does lack that handholding, mostly he's still not correct though LMAO

No views in 7 seconds? Eclipse fell off

On the note of going to a carpet to talk to a goofy ball to level up, they have to be stupid to expect people to not use a wiki. Like if leveling up is that complicated, I'm automatically going to assume that everything else is going to be needlessly confusing. So if I have to play a grind fest with permadeath AND convoluted mechanics, its insane to think I'm not going to look up the answers just to get the full experience. And on that note, no hand holding CAN work. Think of Darkwood, a game that can be hard to control, has almost no explanations, and you are almost guaranteed to make mistakes that can end up lethal. But it works because you dont have to invest several hours to learn about each danger and mechanic. It works so well because you are allowed to die and not lose everything, allowing you to have the satisfaction of learning how to counter or avoid the danger in the future. Even with permadeath it can work, but only if the runs are short enough to where you can do multiple in a day so that you can properly learn about what you did wrong. (Lets not forget that no hand holding doesn't mean no tutorial. And on that note you should never be directionless, no hand holding just means you aren't directly guided through the world. You should still know where to go and have a general sense of what to do, just not the specifics. Things like not having potion recipes are awful ways of implementing no hand holding since there is no way to learn them without blind trial and error. A good version would be introducing a never seen before monsters, and having to learn how to beat it. Often by learning from your mistakes you can learn how to dodge its attacks and harm it without bashing your head against a wall.) TLDR: No hand holding can work, but it has to fit the game and have purpose, not be a time waste that forces using a wiki.

Wow, that soundtrack was absolute bliss to listen to. Great video as always Eclipse.

Recently found your channel and it's great; finally seeing someone who actually criticizes Roblox games like these is refreshing.. and I'm surprised I didn't find channel sooner. Keep up the great work [and I like your other content too, obviously].

I think they where going for a game where you just fuck around and find out, though even if they did a tutorial for things like leveling up and a few other things should be mandatory.

I think one of the main reasons people oppose net positive change is a feeling of elitism You see this around games of the same type; since they've gotten through the game's pitfalls and flaws, seeing a newer player not have to deal with that, unless they benefit in some way, tends to get people annoyed and breed a sentiment that newer players are being "coddled"

Like, right after this video released I decided to try the game out for myself and quickly learned that a major update had been released which improved most of the issues, not fixed, improved. Stuff like the tutorial noc being in front of you leveling being explained better all of that good studf

eclipse with the fire choice of music in his videos, love the starcraft music too

this video made the owner reflect on himself and said that next update will be looking forward to theese problems.

6:00 bro has the joy of a proffessor seeing his students finally learning something😭

I love everytime u put The legend of zelda soundtracks into the videos. i always get so excited, just like a little child telling their mom "mommy mommy, look theres legend of zelda music!!!11!!1!!!"

Thanks for being a big part of my childhood love your vids!

There must be something wrong with me because watching eclipse complain about how bad the game with makes me want to play the game.

Of course it had to come sometime, they cant take critisism

I love your music choice for these videos

Stumbled upon this randomly, pure gold.

24:23 Me in call with my friends reading someone’s username, “york ox hurts”

Everybody gangster till eclipse whips out the flowchart

5:40 bro I have never heard his voice like that before lmao

You know that floating mic really does fit right into the picture...

0:56 especially when a certsin game comes up with a "why"

i literally found the berserker class trainer who is inside of a pitch black cave (and you also need to do a parkour WHILE being surrounded with darkness) before finding the tutorial npc 💀💀

eclipse pulling out the "news flash buddy" is not something i expected for my monday morning

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"but tell me, would you fix it?" "nah, i wouldn't"

i like how there's a cut at 17:19 between the dialogue before the cut and the dialogue after, meaning that he took a segment to just call the guy a dumbass

after not seeing even the half of the video id really like to see eclipse playing "Lore Game"

I would classify this in the checklist game genre. I really like these types of games where you go in the wiki search for something and spend the next 5 hours getting materials to acquire it, my most played games are terraria and risk of rain 2 and for terraria half my time on the game is on mod wikis and stuff like that, people who plays these games dont play them for anything but grinding for materials to get stronger with a guide. (for arcane lineage) the gameplay is mid the world SUCKS the story isnt a thing but the grinding is half fun its not just lvl up repeatedly and get new moves you can do things in different orders, you can get new weapons, and you can make unbalanced to shit builds with a bunch of trial and error. i will say its not the best game in this genre but it gets the job done.

I'd like to see Eclipse play pilgrammed.

I fucking loves pursuit coming in while he roast the "3/4 hand holding video" guy

17:19 I love the way you just out right called him a dumbass 😭

Alternative title: "Arcane lineage: at least dark souls has a tutorial (DDoS)"

Make a new genre called wikilike

ive always though of "no handholding" games as supposed to be played with the little information you could get through word of mouth from talking to people, like deepwoken at early release (which was peak)

It's really cool to see how Eclipse's channel has evolved into more a Roblox game-review type channel. Maybe in the future reviewing games off Roblox will get just as much views as reviewing the games on Roblox!

The no hand holding thing makes sense, just phrased terribly. It's to influence exploring and blind playthroughs to truly experience the world as intended. This is my opinion , but a linear experience that tells you verbatim where to go is just a tad bit boring. (Think Elden Ring, probably alot cooler if you don't watch guides to lead you. No tutorial is silly tho)

Things a trello should be used for - Update logs, and current update progress - Planned features - Update roadmaps - Listing bugs Things you should NOT use a trello for - literally everything else

I cannot imagine shuffling through all those comments and not get a headache from it. Your doing incredible work to put stupidity on a spotlight and call out what spews out of their mouths.

ngl when i clicked on this i thought the game owner got DDOS'd..

Major correct, "rogue-like" is in reference to a game that allows you to get power ups and tools that will help you in the next life Rogue lineage was a rogue like because you were able to get edits for your character. Every other game on Roblox thinks a "rogue-like" is a perma death game with pvp, i cant even explain how many time ive seen rogue like slapped on a game that is more a adventure pvp. So how does the game being a rogue like excuse the lack of tutorials? Rogue like doesnt = hard game, rogue like = creating a new character with powers or abilities from your old characters Binding of Issac Cult of the lamb All rogue likes with digestable tutorials.

Domain Expansion: Infinite Yap. I like these videos. I wish TCA had worked out but this is still great.

It genuinely confuses me how I somehow always check KZfaq in a matter of minutes after eclipse uploads, I don’t even have notifications on, yet it happens every time

@Eclipse you have grown a little goatee (let it grow out)

eclipse would LOVE type soul

i havent seen such genuine rage from eclipse in a while.

Finding a youtuber and community that actually criticize this trend of Roblox devs thinking bad, purposefully frustrating game design = good and everyone who disagrees needs to git gud is a breath of fresh air

It would actually be so funny if the devs were the hate comments trying to defend the game

I am also stupid For different reasons

This video was a net positive experience as in, not negative and hateful net wise anyways. I really liked this video!

For some reason, even though it's quite simple, your shirt looks extra cool :)

225 views in 1 minute? Eclipse back on 🗣️🔊🔥🔥🔥

Classic Nuova. platform battles better trust.

eclipse really went from the quest board npc to the doctor without seeing the tutorial npc...

My quote that hass been sadly quite applicable to a lot of situations is "Roblox devs and bad decisions go hand in hand."

eclipse gyat oiled up

I need to see eclipse forehead oiled up.

Eclipse should have a video of what his ideal game needs so he can put it in the i card every single video.

game devs when they get fair criticism (its obviously all hate)

Eclipse fell off again (no likes in 0 nanoseconds)

11/10 video, its peak entertainment

Ooooooo i can’t wait for eclipse to review gpo! Can’t wait for the funny content with that one.

Oh yeah, now this is some prime time eclipse content right here

I just like it when the funny numbers are high

There are like 5 classess 1 of them being a base class hidden throught a parkour so badly done that it feels like you are getting punished for wanting to get that class

Hey my comment is on a DDOS episode! and im not the stupid. Thanks for responding to my comment Eclipse, and I also did not know there was a tutorial npc.

You guys were ruthless in this one

This would be like board games coming with no instructional sheet and just comes with a sheet that says "Figure it out bro"

i watched ur first video on arcane lineage and deadass when i first started playing the game i played for 2 hours not knowing why i was at lv 1 still as well

that guy at the end gives me hope in roblox

When I saw them saying little handholding I thought of ancestors the humankind odyssey which doesn’t even touch your hand and they openly state that

From watching both videos on this game, I’d like to see what he thinks of purple skittles. I’m not too well versed in turn based games to to much, as the only other turn based roblox game I have played is adventure story, and outside of that undertale, and haven’t beaten either, (have beaten purple skittles though). But it’s a classic imo and I like it, (also p.s. don’t play the game on the original place as a lot of scripts are broken from the game not being updated anymore if you are gonna play it, play the fan made one purple skittles+) I also realize it isn’t being updated anymore but still seeing eclipses view on it would be cool.

arcane lineage is just pokemon but no tutorial and your forced to do a quick time event every turn