Forgot to add, regarding the judges, they honestly just seemed to be there to push the company's picks. The fact one of them said mid way through the show they didn't realize Jiwoo sung so well told me all I needed to know.

that voting criteria was there from the beginning... I think this show was way better ran than Dream Academy... Let's be honest, if a GG does not do domestically well in SK, it will never have a chance abroad.

@@_aPaladin Not true, they didnt announce the finale voting until right before. Also, DA at least was honest with voters on how the lineup would be chosen and it made sense. Trying to cater to SK wasn't the issue people had, it's the shady way they went about it.

Lmao we were so delusional back than thinking they would actually consider our votes or our collective chosen line up that has made its round since the show started.

@@_aPaladinthat’s for a Kpop group. Katseye is half-managed by Geffen, which is an American company. Their biggest issue as of now is to make an impactful debut, similar to the impacts of NewJeans debut on Korea.

my bad boy girls + chanelle GOT RIGGED OUT ill never support ILL-IT lol

Ikr, Hyewon was my number one pick for the comp. After her Funa and Ruka were eliminated I got slightly annoyed that Wonhee, Iroha, and Himena were still in (pls don’t send hate towards them tho). However after my number two and six picks Jihyun and Chanelle were eliminated I just dropped the show. Then my number 3 and 4 picks Jiwoo and Jeemin were dropped so only Minju and Yuna debuted so I will just be listening in to the group probably not stanning

@@Cheesssssss yeah Dw..I acc got annoyed aswell and had no hope but in the end 1/6 my top 6 debuted (yunah) but I’m now a ot6 bc I can’t hate or dislike any girls, even my 22 girls but I hope hyewon debuts one day soon 😭

Girl nobody voted for her that's why she got booted out

@@user-qc7tg2pv4o I’m saying this in a nice way, she did had votes actually, way more than Himena did. She was just underrated that’s why, and completely fine for others to vote their picks cuz everyone has diff opinions.

We already have 12 and 11 year olds in survival shows🫥

It’s not a voting fraud if you let people know they two girl will be choose by the voter and the other 4 by the judge at the end.

Oooh I see! I really like your point about them being an international group though-I didn’t really catch onto that narrative either because these were all HYBE trainees (there wasn’t an international auditioning process, I assume??). I really wish we learned way more about the non-Korean trainees’ backstories.

@@AtypicalBookClubI remember them pushing the whole NEXT GLOBAL GIRL GROUP!!!! narrative so when the whole voting fiasco that alienated international votes happened, a lot of international viewers felt betrayed ‘cause it was like, how is this a global girl group if you’re not valuing the global vote? I honestly didn’t watch past Chanelle getting eliminated but I remember Twitter and Reddit being abuzz with outrage from i-viewers

Nexz Nizi project s2 is promoted as a global boy group but they only have things in Japanese so I'm confused if it's a Jpop group or not

I'll it wasn't being talked that much bcz mostly international fan dumped the show and the group bcz the lineup was so rigged if you and search runext review you will only find bad opinions and context about. I think the group will do well in domestic market bcz of knetz fav wonhee but not in international market as other Hybe groups did. And katseye was one of the best Survival show with one of the best lineup from a Survival show the lineup was so balanced out and the fans loved it . Most of the members were talented and the lineup said it itself. fans were happy with the members and lineup . Can't denie the fact that the group consists of a great vocalist Lara, a great visual yoonchae , a great it girl factor Manon , a great dancer megan a stage presence queen Daniella and the popular memeber sophia . If you search review of katseye final u will find mostly positive review and everybody seems happy with the show and Lineup

I was about to ask what’s KATSEYE pff Hybe is a bit bad at making survival programs if you ask me

Mostly because Katseye doesn’t have a bad and disappointing lineup. I’ll-It/RUNext lost so many fans after Chanelles elimination.

@@teresa6387R u next was made pretty nicely tbh its just how rigged it was. Dream academy was a little odd but the final lineup was fine

AYO????? 😭😭😭 Best of luck to Youngseo and the rest of I’LL-IT 💗

YESSSSS!! I didn’t really talk about the voting process in this video because it was too ambiguous and too conspiracy theory-like. But on the marketing and operations side of R U Next, the producers had all the power to add more character development to the show, yet they didn’t. 😒 I love your idea about character arcs because it is absolutely perfect for a survival show with a very small cast of 22 people. That way, the trainees can all get relatively equal amounts of screentime and us viewers can really root for the group (just like you said), enhancing ILL-IT’s reputation and building HYBE’s brand loyalty.

@@AtypicalBookClub yes I really think they should have put more focus and idk love (? into promoting the girls. Overall I feel what runext lacked was love and appreciation to the girls :( a certain warmth. Like these are girls who have years training with hybe under various sub-labels yet it doesn't feel like it. It feels very cold and polished. For example, on iland you had bang sihyuk himself talk about each boys' strength like he knows them and even at the end he reassures the audience and the boys that they will continue to support them whatever they choose to do, and fulfilling that promise by debuting iland trainees on andteam and giving hanbin a solo stage. On Sixteen there was a definitive appreciation to the older trainees like jihyo and nayeon. But what we had on runext? nothing outside of the "she's been training for years she's desperate" what else once people started to speculate they might be saving the japanese trainees to debut under hybe Japan we got an official statement saying there was no other group planned to debut and that runext is the last chance for some of the trainees... Like what? I like the final lineup, it makes sense in my head but at the same time I wish it didn't feel like such a big loss the fact we lost amazing talented trainees like Chanelle, jiwoo, jeemin, jeongeun, funa, ruka, moa, hyewon, jihyun. I feel so bad for those trainees it hinders my enjoyment of the final group. They treated them so coldly I really doubt they have anything prepared for those girls and after reading some rumors about some of the girls leaving the company and going back to school i think they felt the same way.

I agree with this!! Like I remember watching I-Land (after Enha had already debuted) and just came to so adore Sunoo’s personality and resilience and attitude. I enjoyed his performances but I wouldn’t have necessarily called him in the top 7 in terms of live performance. But they gave Sunoo a character arc, we got to see him face setbacks and still remain upbeat, we got to see him struggle with certain physical dance moves and be criticized for it by the coaches and work harder because of that. We got to hear his thoughts when he got voted #1 in the first global vote instead of him just looking confused or bashful and that’s it. By the end of I-Land, the viewer feels like they “know” Sunoo and may root for him not because of live talent but because of _him._ R U Next failed to do that. I-Land has so many issues that I won’t get into bc it would become an essay but whoever edited it knew how to make people root for contestants. Instead of doing what they did in the end-only praising Wonhee near the back half of the show, giving her only minor criticism and avoiding the actual biggest criticism which is that her only 2 facial expressions while performing were Smile or Look Blank But Still Cute, rigging the votes to ensure that she makes it into the group by voting so it seems like all the viewers wanted her instead of just giving her the producer pick like they clearly wanted in the first place-just give her a character arc! Give her a character arc that viewers can root for! Let us see more of who she is as a person, and not just her saying she can’t sing live a bunch of times and being insecure because while that might activate a protective nature in some people, it can be really annoying to others. And then if she still doesn’t have high enough votes in the finale, save a producer pick for her if you want her so badly. I can’t imagine having a genuinely well-edited character arc for Wonhee wouldn’t have lowered her popularity, it would’ve strengthened it and made her debut less controversial. I would’ve been so much more down for Wonhee to debut had it felt like I came to know her and root for her like I did Sunoo, and like Sunoo, I don’t think I would’ve minded her being a producer pick. They could’ve even done something similar with Wonhee like they did Sunoo, where we got to know the other trainees better too and so the addition of Sunoo to Enhypen feels more balanced and needed than the addition of K, because there’s already a lot of more masculine, more “boyish,” more “stoic” types in Enhypen and Sunoo helps round the group out with a more subtle, soft, sunshiney, yet razor-sharp gaze style. Wonhee could’ve been that! Rather than disliking Wonhee herself, I dislike the shows’ producers for the rigged and gaslighting way they went about trying to make people vote for her instead of just putting in the effort to actually make people like Wonhee as a person. But they also messed up by putting so many incredibly talented trainees next to Wonhee instead of making the playing field more even and making the extreme talent sparser because then when people like Jiwoo or Chanelle don’t make it, it feels like it was rigged and we got cheated. But that’s a whole other rant for another day

literally. and in the behind the scene content, wonhee has such a cute personality so I have no clue why the producers never tried to use that to her advantage but instead decided to go the "make judges over praise her" route. I feel like showcasing her personality plus the typical new trainee character developement arc (like hyewon and jake) wouldve made her more popular and her ranking woudn't have been as debated@@thylionheart

OMG A SHOUTOUT FROM THE TAEJIU?????!!!! 💗💗💗

Tysmmm!!! I’m so glad that an econ expert approves of this 🥰

Couldn’t have said it better myself 🤩

Thanks for the feedback! Opinion respected 🫡

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I agree with you tbh, I don’t feel like the dynamics are super balanced. It kinda feels hodge-podged together? Like most of the girls are good individually but they feel like puzzle pieces from the wrong boxes. It’s all gonna depend on the core concept they have, honestly-HYBE groups generally have an overarching concept (youth & growing up for TXT, vampires & mortality for Enhypen, werewolves & community for &Team, I think Le Sserafim was supposed to have a model concept but they kinda feel more like fallen angels now) and maybe based off of R U Next, ILL-IT might have a sort of………sporty………concept? I can really only imagine a refreshing concept suiting all of the members, but at the same time that feels really limiting to the members who can pull off and excel at fiercer, edgier concepts.

Thank you so much!!! 💗

I would replace Iroha with Jeemin bc of her age. She's obviously talented but too young IMO.

Wowowooww I love that idea! Thanks so much for your compliments!! 💗💗💗

Tysmmm 💗 I’m so glad you enjoyed it!

Chanelle was not popular in Korea and her attitude got her eliminated. Get over it.

I have to disagree with you on the first part, it's not the first time hybe chooses to debut a trainee based not only on skills but other factors. Like kazuha in lesserafim or even eunchae. Like most of the time the producers have a vision of how they want the group to be and then choose the members based on that vision. Even txt, when the debut team was chosen it wasn't based on skills but how the producers envisioned the group, like hueningkai made it the debut team just 3 months in his trainee life. Another thing, I really don't think group members have the opportunity to choose who line each gets as it seems once you debut the line distribution is mostly chosen by producers, same with screentime and so on. So I don't see what the real behind the scenes situation does runext (and most survival shows) want to play out with having the trainees fight over lines. If anything the only lesson they get from it is that sometimes you don't get the lines you want and you suck it up. Imo, I think there's a reason why they decided to debut moka, wonhee and Iroha despite, like you said, their need for more training. I didn't need the show to "gloss over" or be "distracting" but rather to show me the reasons why the trainees who debuted debuted lol and I think that's where the show failed. Because most viewers can agree that based on only what we were shown, wonhee, Iroha and moka weren't as deserving to debut as the other girls :(

@@-_._-._.- in the beginning of the career, i agree that producers have more say in the line distribution and etc but as the group grows and as they start do that by themselves like bts does. They all record the parts and then they decide who gets which part and bts actively have that discussion during the making process. Especially when txt members are involved in production and writing they have more control on such aspects. In hueningkai's case, i think his talent and producing skills gave him the upper hand in getting selected. I admit 3 months is a short time but there are many factors to be looked at. The hardwork, the talent, the improvement etc. can you say that hueningkai is not a good fit for txt? He fits right in. When txt debuted no one could say that hueningkai trained only for 3 months. Same applies for kazuha as well. When lesserafim debuted she didnt look out of place. Do i think shes perfect? No but shes working on it. Considering that i'll-it will be debuting some time next year by then they would have gone through a lot more training and maybe after they debut i'll have to eat my own words😂 Knowing hybe T&D, they are not gonna debut i'll-it until they are really polished.

@@neepagummapu I agree that the members who debuted in their respective groups are the best fit I was just saying that sometimes factors outside their performing skills or training periods can affect their chances of debuting like there are reasons why heeseung didn't debut with txt, or why ruka didn't make it in lesserafim or why youngseo didn't make it on newjeans. Like maybe they didn't fit image wise to the group they envisioned, or they had too many vocalists in the group and wanted someone who is a great dancer idk. Personally I believe moka, Iroha and wonhee despite their undeveloped skills have something to bring to the table, image wise they all make sense, they are super pretty girls with similar vibes but perhaps it's their attitude, their hardwork, or some hidden talent what truly made the producers choose them over better skilled trainees. the critique on the show is that it doesn't show the girls personality and talents correctly which makes people doubt the final group. That's why the format on the show was especially bad for the lineup they ended with, it's so performance based and yet the girls who debuted are not the best performers, it's almost a set up 😭 And about the lines, I think it changes from group to group, my basic understanding is that the producers have the final say so if the members are the ones producing then they have the final say lol.

it’s great to be back!!!

Super excited for their debut!! 🤩

@@AtypicalBookClubillit far exceeded expectations. At this point, is Bang Sihyuk lucky or has he really mastered the art and science of creating a successful kpop group?

Yesssss HYBE indeed made it super difficult to choose six out of the amazing 22 trainees. I also highly recommend watching My Teenage Girl (highly problematic name and very young trainees there, I know) because the amount of talent is unfathomable. 🤩

Awwww thank you so much! 🥰

Awww thank you so much!!! 💗💗💗

Thanks for the feedback!

it doesnt have much views cuz runext flopped

@@mayayoder6530 yeah didn’t even bother to watch that sht 😭💀

They don't need you lmao keep being miserable

lol

probably not but if it were, it deserves an A

its clear that hybe made many mistakes throughout the show (and jtch) because the show did not do good. And you do not know how survival shows work if you think companies dont have a lineup in mind that they push for throughout the shows.