My favorite reenactment was that of Sister Whitmer when an angel shown her the plates...thank you for this video and oh i like the ...they run out of car rentals...hahaha. good job..

Martin Harris receiving his witness. And thank you for showing me his grave site., I had never seen that before and it certainly does make it more real. 🩷 from Australia 🇦🇺

Mary Whitmer. You didn't show how she was upset that the men we not working while she felt like she bore the brunt of the manual labor on the farm. Then, one can only speculate that it was either Moroni or one of the Three Nephites showed it to her. I like how he said that she had been toiling and understood what she was doing and how she felt. Sometimes all we need is empathy

How did the 3 witnesses (the scribes) 'witness the plates? Why did the 8 witnesses (Joseph and Davids families) get to see the plates physically, but the 3 scribes werent allowed?

@mikkifrompreston4396 the 3 saw the plates and the angel, the 8 saw just the plates, no angel. You can read their statements for the full story. But basically that. The Testimony of Three Witnesses Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That we, through the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, have seen the plates which contain this record, which is a record of the people of Nephi, and also of the Lamanites, their brethren, and also of the people of Jared, who came from the tower of which hath been spoken. And we also know that they have been translated by the gift and power of God, for his voice hath declared it unto us; wherefore we know of a surety that the work is true. And we also testify that we have seen the engravings which are upon the plates; and they have been shown unto us by the power of God, and not of man. And we declare with words of soberness, that an angel of God came down from heaven, and he brought and laid before our eyes, that we beheld and saw the plates, and the engravings thereon; and we know that it is by the grace of God the Father, and our Lord Jesus Christ, that we beheld and bear record that these things are true. And it is marvelous in our eyes. Nevertheless, the voice of the Lord commanded us that we should bear record of it; wherefore, to be obedient unto the commandments of God, we bear testimony of these things. And we know that if we are faithful in Christ, we shall rid our garments of the blood of all men, and be found spotless before the judgment-seat of Christ, and shall dwell with him eternally in the heavens. And the honor be to the Father, and to the Son, and to the Holy Ghost, which is one God. Amen. Oliver Cowdery David Whitmer Martin Harris The Testimony of Eight Witnesses Be it known unto all nations, kindreds, tongues, and people, unto whom this work shall come: That Joseph Smith, Jun., the translator of this work, has shown unto us the plates of which hath been spoken, which have the appearance of gold; and as many of the leaves as the said Smith has translated we did handle with our hands; and we also saw the engravings thereon, all of which has the appearance of ancient work, and of curious workmanship. And this we bear record with words of soberness, that the said Smith has shown unto us, for we have seen and hefted, and know of a surety that the said Smith has got the plates of which we have spoken. And we give our names unto the world, to witness unto the world that which we have seen. And we lie not, God bearing witness of it. Christian Whitmer Jacob Whitmer Peter Whitmer, Jun. John Whitmer Hiram Page Joseph Smith, Sen. Hyrum Smith Samuel H. Smith

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WHY DO LDS REJECT ETERNAL GOD OF BIBLE & BELIEVE IN FALSE EVOLVING GODS OF Joseph Smith? ISN'T YOUR ETERNITY WORTH EXAMINING THE TRUTH? "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If Mormonism is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of LDS members. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." and it goes on "Is there any God besides me?... I know not one" So obviously God is saying there is NOT any infinite amount of Gods, and there is none other like Him. Mormonism teaches that there is. LDS paid scholar Dan McClellan: " The data pretty firmly points in the OPPOSITE direction of a historical BOM" youtube short video "Is the BOM historical?" There is NO archaeological, anthropological, topological, linguistic, botanical or dna evidence to support the Book of Mormon. LDS anthropologist Dee Green: “The first myth we need to eliminate is that BOM archaeology exists” conceding 20 years of research “left us empty-handed” (Green 1969 p. 77) NO trace of Jewish DNA found in any Indian burial ground anywhere in the Americas from time period of BOM. Thomas W. Murphy, (Mormon scholar, DNA researcher): “the genetic evidence shows that American Indians are not Hebrews, they are not Israelites. The Book of Mormon is not true.” John Whitmer Historical Association Journal 2005 NO truth: Book of Abraham published with 3 drawings taken from an ancient Egyptian papyrus. The book is a funerary papyrus showing scenes from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. In drawings Nos. 1 & 3, Smith misidentifies everything depicted. "LDS and non-LDS Egyptologists agree that the characters on the fragments do not match the translation given in the book of Abraham" Quote from LDS OFFICIAL WEB PAGE NO trace of “2 million Jaredites slain” (Ether 15:2), with iron, brass, breast-plates, shields, and armor. It is impossible for these millions of dead warriors in metal armor to leave no trace. NO trace of the "great" city Zarahemla- it is impossible for a city the size of Zarahemla described in BOM (Alma 5:2; D&C 125:3) to leave no trace. NO temple like Solomon's described in 2 Nephi 5:16 has ever been found yet biblical temple is easily seen in Jerusalem. This "temple" could not just disappear. NO Nephite "reformed Egyptian" writings described by J.S. ever found anywhere as it is not a real language anywhere in the world. NO cities mentioned in the BOM have ever been located (none of 38) ANYWHERE. It would be impossible for them to disappear unless they never existed. NO evidence: "The whole land was covered with buildings, and the people were as numerous, as it were the sand of the sea." Yet NOT ONE ever located. (Mormon 1:7) IMPOSSIBLE for highly advanced civilizations (Jaredites, Nephites) & MILLIONS of people to have vanished. The BOM speaks of sheep, swine, silk, wool clothing & elephants existing in the Americas when they did not. 1 Ne.13:7; Alma 4:6; Ether 9:17 and 10:24 These were brought to America centuries later by Europeans. NO wheat, no goats, no metal smelting furnaces, no metal armor, no steel swords, no cattle, no chariot parts, no brass (Mosiah 8:10) no evidence of the listed Kings in BOM, no Jewish relics or Jewish Temples from supposed Jews, no metal plates like Nephites supposedly used, no middle eastern seeds growing, "which were brought from the land of Jerusalem ... and grew exceedingly" 1 Nephi 18:24 CAN WE IGNORE THE LACK OF EVIDENCE FOR THE THE BOOK OF MORMON AND JUST TRUST OUR FEELINGS AS TO THE TRUTH OF IT EVEN THOUGH IT CONFLICTS WITH THE BIBLE? NO! D&C Section 9:8-9 - tell us that if something is true it will make our "bosom burn" and we will FEEL that it is right. Maroni 10:4 says: "he will manifest the truth of it unto you" The Bible warns us against this subjective type of truth test. Why? Because we have a sinful nature that can be deceived. Proverbs 28:26 "He that trusts in his own (bosom) heart is a FOOL." The Scriptures, however, are infallible and can never be wrong (John 17:17; Psalm 119:128; 33:4; 19:8; Romans 3:4). This is why the Bible frequently urges us to study and meditate on God's word. 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV "STUDY ... rightly dividing the word of TRUTH." Acts 17:11 "EXAMINE THE SCRIPTURES to see if what said is TRUE". 1John 4:1 says: "BELIEVE NOT EVERY SPIRIT, ... because MANY FALSE PROPHETS (J.S.) have gone out into the world." Mormonism CLAIMS the bible was corrupted to justify Joseph Smith's changing of the biblical, eternal God into an evolving, created god, who is not all powerful and is one of an endless number of gods . However, this is a PROVABLY FALSE claim. The Claim: In the BOM, the prophet Nephi has a vision the Bible was CORRUPTED and "plain and precious parts" were removed after the 12 apostles and after the formation of the “great and ABOMINABLE church” (1 Nephi 13:26-29). Most Mormons believe this is the Catholic Church formed in the 4th century. Nephi claims this church was founded by the DEVIL (1 Nephi 14:3). So let’s objectively examine the Bible & BOM. BIBLE: The Dead Sea Scrolls have been dated to as early as 350 BC. One is the Great Isaiah Scroll, which is the oldest known copy of the Book of Isaiah dated to 180 BC. Do ANY ancient scrolls show Smith's "uncorrupted" version of scripture? NO! Yet they would if the scripture was later corrupted after the 12 apostles died as Smith and Nephi said. Also, if they had been corrupted, Jesus would have corrected scripture instead of affirming it! Jesus sd:“ I told you EVERYTHING written about me in the Law of Moses, the Books of the Prophets, and in the Psalms had to happen.” (Luke 24:44-46) Scripture is the same today as it was 2,100+ years ago with only minor spelling and punctuation differences. Joseph Smith was wrong. These scrolls pre-dated Catholics, and are Jewish scrolls and the BOM says the Jews had the Scriptures in their "purity". 1Nephi 13:25 LDS Apologist Wayne Ham admitted the Isaiah scroll does not support the the BOM. Apologist Dr. Sidney B. Sperry, of BYU, said the Dead Sea Scrolls do not help the case for the BOM. BYU Professor Joseph F. McConkie: "Rather than Joseph Smith as Found in Ancient Manuscripts, it ought be Joseph Smith as Lost in Ancient Manuscripts.” (Religious Studies Center, 1984) IS THE GOD OF THE BOOK OF MORMON THE SAME ONE AS IN THE BIBLE? NO! In the LDS Church’s 147th Conf., Gen Authority Bernard P. Brockbank said: the Christ followed by Mormons is NOT THE CHRIST followed by traditional Christianity. (Ensign, May 1977 p. 26) Like Joseph Smith, the goal of Satan was to be like God and have worshipers. "I will exalt my throne above the stars of God ... I will be like the Most High”’ (Isaiah 14:12-14) The new testament has not been corrupted either. See the book of John. Smith changed it to make Jesus a created being. Research a 1900 year old papyri known as the Bodmer Papyri of the book of John. (written 150 AD, around the Apostle John's time) John 1:1 "In the BEGINNING was the WORD and the WORD was WITH God and the WORD WAS God." ΕΝ ΑΡΧΗ ΗΝ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΚΑΙ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΗΝ ΠΡΟΣ ΤΟΝ ΘΕΟΝ ΚΑΙ ΘΕΟΣ ΗΝ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ (look up this ancient Greek yourself on google) John 1:1 Joseph Smith mistranslation: "In the beginning was the GOSPEL preached through the Son. And the GOSPEL was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God." Smith's Jesus is no longer God in the flesh but the biblical Jesus is: "God was manifest in the flesh" 1Tim. 3:16 KJV. In order to try to make things work for LDS, J.S. added extra verses and verbiage into John 1 that were never there in any ancient texts to try to separate the idea of a trinity into 3 Gods. There are 4,000 Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. Some go back to 350 AD and NONE support Joseph Smith's claims that the bible of today has been corrupted. Papyrus fragments exist of the New Testament dated to 175 AD and show that the new testament has NOT been "corrupted". (New Testament Docs: Are They Reliable? Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1967 pp. 15-17) The manuscript and archeological evidence for the BIBLE is the GREATEST in antiquity. I pray you know the true Jesus and not Joseph Smith's exalted man from another planet who is not eternal, not all powerful, not perfect but evolving, and was polygamous. God is much greater than the humanoid of Mormonism and NOT just ONE OF AN ENDLESS NUMBER OF EVOLVING GODS. Jesus said ALL scripture will NOT fade away but "many wolves in sheep's clothing" will come trying to add to the word. Mathew 7:15 Joseph Smith changed Jesus, the Father and taught you can become a GOD. It hurts my heart to see Mormons fall for the lie that we can become God when there is only one eternal God found in the bible. "The only men who become Gods, even the sons of Gods are those that enter into polygamy." (Brigham Young) Journal of Discourses 11 p.269 Apostle Orson Pratt, in The Seer, page 172, “the great Messiah who was the founder of the Christian religion was a Polygamist…The son followed the example of his Father" God gave us critical thinking & logical reasoning for a reason, which is why he does tell us to EXAMINE and TEST what we are being taught for TRUTH. The bible withstands the truth test. Joseph Smith's version fails the truth test. It's your eternity, study it for yourself. God bless.

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@dinocollins720 I love all the support from you guys it's amazing truly this channel here is also amazing and has really awesome historical topics and videos I love history

You’re kind! We’re not perfect by any means but we sure love the Redeemer and try to conduct ourselves accordingly. I’m looking forward to more of your videos just reading the Bible and The Book of Mormon.

@@dcarts5616 that is awesome my friend

Good to see you around. Scripture Central is a great resource.

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It was so special! The poor woman was at wits end!

I'm also grateful that Mary Whitmer's witness was included here. Thanks for sharing your appreciate as well.)

Yes, very good, but you left out part of her testimony where the messenger identified himself as Bro. Nephi. Why?

Thank you for watching. Those Church history sites are indeed special places.

That was in 1831, when Joseph was in a meeting which had a lot of other business to get to. However, after the anti-LDS book Mormonism Unvailed was published in 1834 with its false Spalding and seerstone-in-the-hat theories about how the Book of Mormon was produced, both Joseph and Oliver Cowdery published many statements about the translation emphasizing that it came from the plates through the means of the Nephite interpreters which came with the plates (sometimes referred to as the Urim & Thummim). See, for example, Oliver's account included in the Pearl of Great Price as a note to JS-H 1:71.

Alma 37: 23 And the Lord said: I will prepare unto my servant Gazelem, a stone, which shall shine forth in darkness unto light, that I may discover unto my people who serve me, that I may discover unto them the works of their brethren, yea, their secret works, their works of darkness, and their wickedness and abominations. 24 And now, my son, these interpreters were prepared that the word of God might be fulfilled, which he spake, saying: 25 I will bring forth out of darkness unto light all their secret works and their abominations; and except they repent I will destroy them from off the face of the earth; and I will bring to light all their secrets and abominations, unto every nation that shall hereafter possess the land.

Somewhere I read that the prophet Joseph Smith said the name of the brother of Jared was Mahonri Moriamcumer. I was thinking the Lord may have given him a new name like He did with Abraham, Israel, and other prophets. Scholars say Moses' name, given by his mother was Joachim, and the one given to him by pharoh's daughter was longer than the actual name he calls himself in his books. Maybe the Lord changed his name to Moses on Mount Sinai. I am pretty sure the Lord gave a new name to the brother of Jared on Mount Shelem also. It's possible the Lord gave him the name, Gazelem?

The Lord declared, “I will cause in my own due time that these stones shall magnify to the eyes of men these things which ye shall write” (Ether 3:24). These stones, the Urim and Thumin, were handed down to each seer in the Book of Mormon, and lastly were given to Joseph Smith by the angel Moroni, the last seer who possed them. Why would the prophet have a need to use other instruments in the translation process?

Thanks for watching Esther and Esther's Mom!

Esther, you’re being indoctrinated into this false religion that simply isn’t true. My advice is to look at both sides of the coin, which includes videos that completely debunk all of this bogus, because what they are presenting here is total nonsense. Dont listen to your parents or church leaders just because they are in a position of authority.

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100% true. It is a glorious privilege to have a testimony of these things. It is one of the greatest gifts we can receive from God in this life.

I too, and I am not LDS, I do however know the Holy Spirit 🙏 thank you for this wonderful work

@@BenMyers72 you think he didn't but he did, because so did I

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Jonard do u know Sister Doria of Rosario Batangas ward?

Hey brother, I'm jonard LDS from the Philippines

We felt the same thing filming it. Thanks for watching!

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Well said!

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Well now it makes sense why they chose an actor in his late 40’s - early 50’s to play the barely even 30 year old JS. I liked it either way.

@@dcarts5616 yeah I don’t know all of them but I recognized some of the actors. JS did seem like an odd choice to me; I’ve never pictured JS even looking remotely like that, but I think he did a great job acting. He filled the role well brought some gravitas. Haha

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how do explain the witnesses that people of other faiths, have received that their own church is true....

@mikkifrompreston4396 Some truth can be found everywhere, so one has to look at all the fruits of a religion and ascertain where authority to act in God's name is coming from. The Book of Mormon is a work of such magnitude and miraculous experiences, including an absolute promise, that sincere seekers will be given to know of it's veracity if they want it.

​@@tamragoodrich6067 what do you mean by "sincere seekers"? The FLDS follow the book of mormon aswell... how were they misled by the same book?

@mikkifrompreston4396 they rejected the word of God coming through the living prophet, and apostles. See Official Declaration #1 in the Doctrine and Covenants.

​@@tamragoodrich6067 but current LDS prophets today, reject revelations of past prophets and apostles.... eg the preisthood ban, adam God theory an plural marriage. Can the word of God change?

Haha. The helmet didn't fit! Don't worry, I wear one on my bike back home in Tennessee.

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Thank you for your comment. There are many accounts of the eight witnesses, the primary one of course being the actual testimony written and published in the Book of Mormon itself. Take a look at this page from Mormonr.org about the witnesses. There is a section titled "Statements of reaffirmation from the eleven witnesses" That contains many first and secondhand accounts all with footnote references and dates. Regarding translation, again there are many accounts. The primary source for the representation in the video I believe comes from the account of Lucy Mac Smith stating that Joseph used interpreters and sometimes a seer stone to translate. We don't know exactly how things looked or were set up, but from the various accounts we know that peering into a hat with the seer stone or perhaps the Urim and Thummim inside was sometimes the method employed. The Joseph Smith Papers website is an excellent source for original documents. I suggest starting with this overview: www.josephsmithpapers.org/intro/introduction-to-documents-volume-1-july-1828-june-1831

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WHY DO LDS REJECT ETERNAL GOD OF BIBLE & BELIEVE IN FALSE EVOLVING GODS OF Joseph Smith? ISN'T YOUR ETERNITY WORTH EXAMINING THE TRUTH? "Before me NO god was formed, nor shall there be ANY after me.” (Isaiah 43:10) If Mormonism is true, then God could not make this claim, for he was just a man at one point; nor could he claim that no gods would come after him, for that is the goal of LDS members. Isaiah 44:6 says, "I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God." and it goes on "Is there any God besides me?... I know not one" So obviously God is saying there is NOT any infinite amount of Gods, and there is none other like Him. Mormonism teaches that there is. LDS paid scholar Dan McClellan: " The data pretty firmly points in the OPPOSITE direction of a historical BOM" youtube short video "Is the BOM historical?" There is NO archaeological, anthropological, topological, linguistic, botanical or dna evidence to support the Book of Mormon. LDS anthropologist Dee Green: “The first myth we need to eliminate is that BOM archaeology exists” conceding 20 years of research “left us empty-handed” (Green 1969 p. 77) NO trace of Jewish DNA found in any Indian burial ground anywhere in the Americas from time period of BOM. Thomas W. Murphy, (Mormon scholar, DNA researcher): “the genetic evidence shows that American Indians are not Hebrews, they are not Israelites. The Book of Mormon is not true.” John Whitmer Historical Association Journal 2005 NO truth: Book of Abraham published with 3 drawings taken from an ancient Egyptian papyrus. The book is a funerary papyrus showing scenes from the Egyptian Book of the Dead. In drawings Nos. 1 & 3, Smith misidentifies everything depicted. "LDS and non-LDS Egyptologists agree that the characters on the fragments do not match the translation given in the book of Abraham" Quote from LDS OFFICIAL WEB PAGE NO trace of “2 million Jaredites slain” (Ether 15:2), with iron, brass, breast-plates, shields, and armor. It is impossible for these millions of dead warriors in metal armor to leave no trace. NO trace of the "great" city Zarahemla- it is impossible for a city the size of Zarahemla described in BOM (Alma 5:2; D&C 125:3) to leave no trace. NO temple like Solomon's described in 2 Nephi 5:16 has ever been found yet biblical temple is easily seen in Jerusalem. This "temple" could not just disappear. NO Nephite "reformed Egyptian" writings described by J.S. ever found anywhere as it is not a real language anywhere in the world. NO cities mentioned in the BOM have ever been located (none of 38) ANYWHERE. It would be impossible for them to disappear unless they never existed. NO evidence: "The whole land was covered with buildings, and the people were as numerous, as it were the sand of the sea." Yet NOT ONE ever located. (Mormon 1:7) IMPOSSIBLE for highly advanced civilizations (Jaredites, Nephites) & MILLIONS of people to have vanished. The BOM speaks of sheep, swine, silk, wool clothing & elephants existing in the Americas when they did not. 1 Ne.13:7; Alma 4:6; Ether 9:17 and 10:24 These were brought to America centuries later by Europeans. NO wheat, no goats, no metal smelting furnaces, no metal armor, no steel swords, no cattle, no chariot parts, no brass (Mosiah 8:10) no evidence of the listed Kings in BOM, no Jewish relics or Jewish Temples from supposed Jews, no metal plates like Nephites supposedly used, no middle eastern seeds growing, "which were brought from the land of Jerusalem ... and grew exceedingly" 1 Nephi 18:24 CAN WE IGNORE THE LACK OF EVIDENCE FOR THE THE BOOK OF MORMON AND JUST TRUST OUR FEELINGS AS TO THE TRUTH OF IT EVEN THOUGH IT CONFLICTS WITH THE BIBLE? NO! D&C Section 9:8-9 - tell us that if something is true it will make our "bosom burn" and we will FEEL that it is right. Maroni 10:4 says: "he will manifest the truth of it unto you" The Bible warns us against this subjective type of truth test. Why? Because we have a sinful nature that can be deceived. Proverbs 28:26 "He that trusts in his own (bosom) heart is a FOOL." The Scriptures, however, are infallible and can never be wrong (John 17:17; Psalm 119:128; 33:4; 19:8; Romans 3:4). This is why the Bible frequently urges us to study and meditate on God's word. 2 Timothy 2:15 KJV "STUDY ... rightly dividing the word of TRUTH." Acts 17:11 "EXAMINE THE SCRIPTURES to see if what said is TRUE". 1John 4:1 says: "BELIEVE NOT EVERY SPIRIT, ... because MANY FALSE PROPHETS (J.S.) have gone out into the world." Mormonism CLAIMS the bible was corrupted to justify Joseph Smith's changing of the biblical, eternal God into an evolving, created god, who is not all powerful and is one of an endless number of gods . However, this is a PROVABLY FALSE claim. The Claim: In the BOM, the prophet Nephi has a vision the Bible was CORRUPTED and "plain and precious parts" were removed after the 12 apostles and after the formation of the “great and ABOMINABLE church” (1 Nephi 13:26-29). Most Mormons believe this is the Catholic Church formed in the 4th century. Nephi claims this church was founded by the DEVIL (1 Nephi 14:3). So let’s objectively examine the Bible & BOM. BIBLE: The Dead Sea Scrolls have been dated to as early as 350 BC. One is the Great Isaiah Scroll, which is the oldest known copy of the Book of Isaiah dated to 180 BC. Do ANY ancient scrolls show Smith's "uncorrupted" version of scripture? NO! Yet they would if the scripture was later corrupted after the 12 apostles died as Smith and Nephi said. Also, if they had been corrupted, Jesus would have corrected scripture instead of affirming it! Jesus sd:“ I told you EVERYTHING written about me in the Law of Moses, the Books of the Prophets, and in the Psalms had to happen.” (Luke 24:44-46) Scripture is the same today as it was 2,100+ years ago with only minor spelling and punctuation differences. Joseph Smith was wrong. These scrolls pre-dated Catholics, and are Jewish scrolls and the BOM says the Jews had the Scriptures in their "purity". 1Nephi 13:25 LDS Apologist Wayne Ham admitted the Isaiah scroll does not support the the BOM. Apologist Dr. Sidney B. Sperry, of BYU, said the Dead Sea Scrolls do not help the case for the BOM. BYU Professor Joseph F. McConkie: "Rather than Joseph Smith as Found in Ancient Manuscripts, it ought be Joseph Smith as Lost in Ancient Manuscripts.” (Religious Studies Center, 1984) IS THE GOD OF THE BOOK OF MORMON THE SAME ONE AS IN THE BIBLE? NO! In the LDS Church’s 147th Conf., Gen Authority Bernard P. Brockbank said: the Christ followed by Mormons is NOT THE CHRIST followed by traditional Christianity. (Ensign, May 1977 p. 26) Like Joseph Smith, the goal of Satan was to be like God and have worshipers. "I will exalt my throne above the stars of God ... I will be like the Most High”’ (Isaiah 14:12-14) The new testament has not been corrupted either. See the book of John. Smith changed it to make Jesus a created being. Research a 1900 year old papyri known as the Bodmer Papyri of the book of John. (written 150 AD, around the Apostle John's time) John 1:1 "In the BEGINNING was the WORD and the WORD was WITH God and the WORD WAS God." ΕΝ ΑΡΧΗ ΗΝ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΚΑΙ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ ΗΝ ΠΡΟΣ ΤΟΝ ΘΕΟΝ ΚΑΙ ΘΕΟΣ ΗΝ Ο ΛΟΓΟΣ (look up this ancient Greek yourself on google) John 1:1 Joseph Smith mistranslation: "In the beginning was the GOSPEL preached through the Son. And the GOSPEL was the word, and the word was with the Son, and the Son was with God, and the Son was of God." Smith's Jesus is no longer God in the flesh but the biblical Jesus is: "God was manifest in the flesh" 1Tim. 3:16 KJV. In order to try to make things work for LDS, J.S. added extra verses and verbiage into John 1 that were never there in any ancient texts to try to separate the idea of a trinity into 3 Gods. There are 4,000 Greek manuscripts of the New Testament. Some go back to 350 AD and NONE support Joseph Smith's claims that the bible of today has been corrupted. Papyrus fragments exist of the New Testament dated to 175 AD and show that the new testament has NOT been "corrupted". (New Testament Docs: Are They Reliable? Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1967 pp. 15-17) The manuscript and archeological evidence for the BIBLE is the GREATEST in antiquity. I pray you know the true Jesus and not Joseph Smith's exalted man from another planet who is not eternal, not all powerful, not perfect but evolving, and was polygamous. God is much greater than the humanoid of Mormonism and NOT just ONE OF AN ENDLESS NUMBER OF EVOLVING GODS. Jesus said ALL scripture will NOT fade away but "many wolves in sheep's clothing" will come trying to add to the word. Mathew 7:15 Joseph Smith changed Jesus, the Father and taught you can become a GOD. It hurts my heart to see Mormons fall for the lie that we can become God when there is only one eternal God found in the bible. "The only men who become Gods, even the sons of Gods are those that enter into polygamy." (Brigham Young) Journal of Discourses 11 p.269 Apostle Orson Pratt, in The Seer, page 172, “the great Messiah who was the founder of the Christian religion was a Polygamist…The son followed the example of his Father" God gave us critical thinking & logical reasoning for a reason, which is why he does tell us to EXAMINE and TEST what we are being taught for TRUTH. The bible withstands the truth test. Joseph Smith's version fails the truth test. It's your eternity, study it for yourself. God bless.

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Glad you enjoyed it!

It is true that all three witnesses left the church over differences with Joseph, but not one of them ever denied what they saw (although many tried to get them to). Martin Harris and Oliver Cowdery came back to the Church later in life.

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We have started to release them fully dubbed in Spanish on the Central de las Escrituras channel. Episode one is currently online

Scripture Central filmed them for this episode. New, unique, and never before seen. :)

@@RichF245 Thank you so much. I have thoroughly enjoyed this series. This was one of my favorite episodes. But all of the episodes have been intriguing and educational. Thank you again.

The accounts do have differences. This is one of the challenges of history. People report things differently especially over the course of their lives. This is why it is so important to look at all accounts to understand what really happened.

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He was a farm boy accustomed to hard work. Army special forces and Navy Seals do it all the time. The plates were likely a gold alloy to be stronger yet inscribable.

The composition of the plates is a topic of interest for many people and most scholars agree that they were likely not made of pure gold. We have an excellent article about that here: scripturecentral.org/evidence/composition-of-the-plates

No they were not actually gold, but were gold in appearance.

Don't forget he also had a bad leg. It never happened!

Thanks for sharing that.

Thanks for taking the time to watch and for sharing your testimony!

This idea of gaining a personal witness comes from the scriptures. Of course the scripture in James 1:5 is the most often quoted "let him ask of God", but there are many others such as Matthew 21:22 "And all things, whatsoever ye shall ask in prayer, believing, ye shall receive.", Philippians 4:6 "...but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God.", etc. Prayer and seeking guidance from God is the way in which we can more fully understand his word as written in scripture, and answers often come through a combination of prayer and study.

Yes, but what do you do when scriptural integrity weakens? When scripture gets translated over and over and is reinterpreted over centuries either accidentally or worse, on purpose? Best bet to rely on communication from a divine and loving Father who is there waiting for us to ask, knock and seek His pure truths.

He still works for Scripture Central.

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Creeeeepy. But not really.

@@thescottchristopher It's there!! between the scholars, he is walking on the farm o whatever that is

@@octaviobottari2013 No, i just meant it's not really creepy, but yes i do see him

Actually it's not a mistake. Martin gave many accounts of the plates and especially later in his life. Although the accounts differ in details it is important to remember who they come from. Several of the accounts were given by those who were trying to discount the witnesses and their actually seeing the plates. If you take all the accounts together especially those later in Martin's life directly from him he reaffirmed time and again that he had seen the plates for real. He would say things like "Do you see this hand, just as surely as you see my hand, I saw the plates." There is no doubt that he was trying to emphasize the reality of his experience. He also testified in several accounts that he did actually handle the plates. We do not know on what occasion, but it was likely sometime during translation and in the same way as did Joseph's family, feeling them or hefting them while they were covered. The account that mentions spiritual eyes is often used to discredit Martin but if you read all the accounts they make it clear. Here is an excellent article with 10 or so of the statements from Martin: witnessesofthebookofmormon.org/three-witnesses/martin-harris/statements/

The quote you refer to comes from Martin Harris. The spiritual nature of the 3 witnesses experience has long been used to try to discredit them, but the three witnesses were very explicit that they had actually seen the plates and the angel. Casey Griffiths addresses this in the episode as does Dan Peterson. Oliver Cowdery specifically responded to accusations in a letter in 1829 and made it very clear that there was no deception in the event. All the witnesses when challenged on this point (which critics wish to read into their statements) were adamant that the experience was literal, real, and undeniable.

Your information is not entirely correct. Joseph actually took Joseph Knight Senior's wagon to get the plates, but he did go with Emma as you've said. The plates were hidden in a log for a time until they were brought to the Smith home. This can be found in Lucy Mack's journal. She mentions that others were there but does not mention Stoal by name. The details of Josiah Stoal comes from his own account and a letter to Joseph Smith from Martha Campbell. Here are links to those references: Lucy Mack Smith, History, 1844-1845, Page [6], bk. 5, p. [6], bk. 5, The Joseph Smith Papers, www.josephsmithpapers.org/paper-summary/lucy-mack-smith-history-1844-1845/60 mormonr.org/qnas/0Eiiyt/book_of_mormon_witnesses/research#re-hugASb-Ka1Ghb mormonr.org/qnas/0Eiiyt/book_of_mormon_witnesses/research#re-nvGFqb-6tQMgb

@@Bookofmormoncentralofficial My bad you are correct, I had meant to say Knight Sr, Not Stoal/Stowell. Both had come to town together at the same time, BUT it was Knight Sr who had his horse and buggy STOLEN by Joseph, Lucy tells us herself that Knight Sr stated his horse and carriage were stolen, and that she knew that Joseph and Emma had taken it, without his knowledge. Weather I got the right person by name, the event does not change, nor the fact that Smith did not "borrow" Knight's horse and carriage, but took them without permission and his knowledge. BUT thank you for clarifying my mistaken on whom was whom.

Glad you enjoy watching it!

Thank you for your comment. Historical accuracy is very important, and our scholars have done their best to keep the portrayals accurate. Because there are many accounts of how the translation happened there can sometimes be confusion on this topic. The depiction in the show draws from accounts on the Joseph Smith Papers website where many individuals such as Emma and others described the translation process. Some accounts talk about the Urim and Thummim being in a hat, such as this account from Joseph Knight Sr. (original spelling) [Smith] “put the urim and thummim into his hat and Darkned his Eyes,” a sentence “would apper in Brite Roman Letters then he would tell the writer and he would write it then that would go away the next sentance would Come and so on...” Emma Smith specifically says that Joseph used the Urim and Thummim (instead of the seer stone) while translating the 116 pages (before they were lost) but how the Urim and Thummim were used is not clear. Several accounts talk about the "spectacles" being placed in a hat. The depiction in the film draws from these accounts but does not emphasize either the seer stone or the Urim and Thummim (either could be in the hat) as being the method of translation. These accounts can all be found on www.josephsmithpapers.org/

@@Bookofmormoncentralofficial The only reliable first hand eye witness account of the translation process and the instruments used were Joseph Smith and Oliver Cowdery. Any depiction of the process should emphasize the Urim and Thummim which both men testified was prepared by the Lord and used by them to translate. Other accounts are somewhere between less to much less reliable.

Well, if they were as qualified as these men, then they probably would have.

We don't know.

When according to arrangements the messenger called for them I delivered them up to him and he has them in his charge until this day being the second of May one thousand eight hundred and thirty eight

@@mareekate7039 that's interesting. So Joseph had them in his possession for 8+ years after the printing of the book of Mormon.

@@rclv428 does it mean this is the date he is writing this statement...because ...I just read he returned the plates 21months after 1827 upon receiving plates

You sent me on a hunt😋

They obviously don't know

The SHIFT Show the way 😊

There are different accounts from different people. We do not know for sure what the time of day was. It is generally accepted that they were retrieved at night and hidden. We portrayed Josiah Stowell seeing them in the morning.

@@Bookofmormoncentralofficial this is the first off me hearing any claims that it happened during daylight hours… I thought Joseph Smith himself said it was at night.

So a guy wirh a gimpy leg holding 60 plus pounds of plates out ran a group of men. All of these stories are so silly if you stop to think about it.

​@@MemyzelphandI or you are putting limitations on what the power of God can do for those He chooses as His servants to do His will. If Christ can cause the blind man to see, The Leper to be clean and *le gasp!* the Lame to walk, why would he not cause that Joseph Smith could, for a bit, to be able to outrun or be hidden (possibly by angelic help) from a small group of men? Saying it couldn't happen ever, is saying that Christ probably never performed miracles and was a con man Himself. Your statement lacks faith in Christ's power.

​@@MidLifeChaos13 the God card always solves the problem.

This is such an old and tired argument against the witnesses testimonies. It was actually Martin Harris that used the term "Spiritual Eyes", none of the other witnesses used this language to describe the experience. Martin afterwards amended his testimony (on many occasions) clarifying that although it was a spiritual experience to hear the voice of God, and see an angel, he saw the plates just as plain as you see anything. There is an excellent explanation of this here: mormonr.org/qnas/0Eiiyt#q-pP4aSOKyirLdDvDAmlra

@@Bookofmormoncentralofficial I completely understand you ARE an apologetic organization, BUT I will have to disagree with you 100%. Martin Harris stated MANY times, and in different words that he never saw the Book of Mormon, NOR did the other 2 witnesses. They all saw within a vision only. Joseph took Martin off to the side from Whitmer and Cowdery, and took Smith several attempts to guide Harris in his vision. I have a book in the works, and source FAIR Mormon as well, who touched on this, AND I also use your site as an alternative view of what is truth, NOT sanitized apologetic. “But did you see them [plates] with your natural, your bodily eyes, just as you see this pencil-case in my hand? Now say no or yes to this.” Martin answered, “I did not see them as I do that pencil-case, yet I saw them with the eye of faith; I saw them just as distinctly as I see anything around me, though at the time they were covered over with a cloth.” ““Martin, did you see those plates with your naked eyes?” According to Gilbert, Harris “looked down for an instant, raised his eyes up, and said, ‘No, I saw them with a spiritual eye.’” David Whitmer "In regards to my testimony to the visitation of the angel, who declared to us three witnesses that the Book of Mormon is true, I have this to say: Of course we were in the spirit when we had the view, for no man can behold the face of an angel, except in a spiritual view, but 'we were in the body also, and everything was as natural to us, as it is at any time." I provided those from FAIR, I play fair ;) Unfortunately the LDS church does not. I WAS a member for over 20 years, a RM, and held several callings within teaching positions. I know what was, is and is not taught by the church, I am not some never Mormon who is clueless and get their information from "anti Mormon" sites. www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Question:_Did_David_Whitmer_believe_his_witness_experience_was_%22only_a_vision%22%3F www.fairlatterdaysaints.org/answers/Book_of_Mormon/Witnesses/%22Eye_of_Faith%22_and_%22Spiritual_Eye%22_statements_by_Martin_Harris

We normally don't allow links in comments but yours were allowed because they show the problem with your argument very well. It is easy to take things out of context when it comes to historical accounts and it is also easy (as you have noted) to put too much emphasis on only the accounts that fit our worldview. The same article you reference with these quotes also says the following: "Some wish to make it appear as though the statements made by Martin Harris about the Three Witnesses’ manifestation discount its reality. Doing so pulls Harris’ statements out of their proper context..." If we go on to read all the accounts, look at all the evidence, it becomes very clear that not only Martin, but any of the other 20 witnesses of the gold plates had no doubt as to what they saw. We encourage everyone to study all the sources. As an apologetic organization we are often accused of ignoring information, but I assure you that is not the case. We focus on the whole picture. You won't find people who are more familiar with all the nitty gritty details. Take for example Don Bradley, who if you haven't watched his interviews with Stephen Jones, they will maybe give you an idea of the depth of searching for truth that happens in this organization. kzfaq.info/get/bejne/ibR5gtB5nLi6Yn0.htmlsi=kqrGB5WD3hKtPuQN

@@Bookofmormoncentralofficial I commented with FAIR LDS links, which I assume would be fair game since it is PRO LDS, and one of their apologetic groups, like yourselves. Yes I read on, I assumed you would also know what followed, I more than assumed, I am sure you knew. The point I was making is Harris is on record making many statements in different words, and thus was not taken out of context, or was mistaken. You do address Harris’ comments, but you don’t touch on the statements made by Davis Whitmer of the same nature of seeing the assumed plates. Thank you for reading my comments, and replying,

I don't think there would. Remember the people in Jerusalem had Jesus there with him, they saw miracles, yet so many still chose not to believe, and they crucified him. The same happened in the Book of Mormon when despite signs from heaven and miracles being performed they set aside a day to kill the believers if the sign of Christ's birth did not come. When it did, they fell to the earth with fear because they realized the prophecy had been fulfilled. Most then repented and were baptized. God will not take away people's opportunity to choose for themselves or exercise faith.

It's a good question you ask Ally. I've thought about this before. I believe Heavenly Father is cautious in how much evidence He puts out there. If the evidence was so strong that all but the bitterest critics had to agree of the authenticity of any point of belief, then the agency of mankind is compromised. He will not force anyone to believe, but give just enough evidence to confirm the belief that already was in the heart. But if people do not exercise their faith to read, ponder and pray, they can choose to not believe and dismiss the evidence believers see.

Well Laman and Lemuel saw an angel, felt God's power, and heard the voice of the Lord and they still turned out the way they did. So, 🤷‍♀️ Those who choose the things of the world over Christ will deny the authenticity of what they've seen, heard, and felt.

At BYU there are classes just about the Book of Mormon. However the religion major is more wholistic. Anyone who wishes to discuss theology in academic circles has to be learned in many books of scripture even if they focus their study on the Book of Mormon. Every student who attends BYU technically graduates with a minor in religion, though the honor is not actually awarded. There is also a Masters of Religion offered as well.

But not in the book of Mormon academia or history or geography or archeology, right . Book of Mormon in a religious class is different than studying the book of Mormon like the Bible is studied in the ancient studies department.

Like is discussed in the nahom follies read discussion.

It sounds like you're asking about the theory that Sidney Rigdon was somehow connected to a manuscript written by Solomon Spalding, sometimes called the "Spalding Manuscript." This theory involves claims that the Book of Mormon was derived from Spalding's work through Rigdon's involvement. Solomon Spalding was a former minister who wrote an unpublished manuscript called "Manuscript, Found." After his death in 1816, the manuscript went missing. Some people later alleged that this manuscript found its way to Sidney Rigdon, who then used it as a source for the Book of Mormon. Sidney Rigdon was an early leader in the Latter-day Saint movement who joined the Church after the Book of Mormon was published. Skeptics of the Church have proposed that Rigdon collaborated with Joseph Smith, using Spalding's manuscript to create the Book of Mormon. However, the majority of historical scholars, including non-LDS scholars, have found little credible evidence to support this theory. Key points that challenge the theory include: Manuscript Recovery: The "Manuscript, Found" was eventually discovered and is nothing like the Book of Mormon. Timelines and Relationships: Historical records don’t show that Rigdon had any connection with Joseph Smith or the manuscript before its publication. Witness Testimonies: The Eight Witnesses and the Three Witnesses of the Book of Mormon consistently maintained their testimonies of the divine origins of the book, even under duress and despite leaving the Church for various reasons.

But anyways I was rereading the three witnesses and holy cow. The words changed!!!! It didn’t saw they saw the plates with their spiritual eye. Either the church changed the words for some unknown reason or I experienced the Mandela effect.

There are many accounts of the 3 witnesses. The one about Spiritual Eyes you are referring to came from Martin Harris. He later clarified his account on several occasions insisting that he actually saw what he said he saw. There's a great explanation here: mormonr.org/qnas/0Eiiyt/book_of_mormon_witnesses

@@Bookofmormoncentralofficial Thats true.

There were many artifacts, among them the gold plates, a breastplate, the urim and thumim, as well as the Liahona and sword of Laban. These were in the stone box on a hill near the Smith Family farm. If you are interested here are a few great articles about this: scripturecentral.org/knowhy/why-were-the-three-witnesses-shown-the-liahona? scripturecentral.org/evidence/book-of-mormon-evidence-empty-stone-box?