pepperVenge i must respectfully disagree. The queen, were she an "avatar" shouldn't maintain any form of individuality, as that would be unessecary for sheer communication purposes. Personally, I've always thought that her existence, is because the borg, not unlike us, (fucking terrifying statement there) have an insasible need for some kind of leadership. Someone to direct them, and lead them to where the borg should go. A collective interest shall we say. Were it no longer in the interest of the borg to have a leader, they might even revolt. We have seen, that a borg seperate from the hive mind, can indeed develop a personality. Which, in turn, means that theoretically, they nay be able to have personalities without any separation from their hive mind. Thst theoretically, they may actually, given enough time, develop personalities, entirely on their own. Since the potential is actually there. And, they might use the hive mind as a sort of internet instead of straight up total control. In any case, the queen is sorta like the core processor. She determines what and where goes when with what. And i think, even the borg recognize the need for a leader. Anyway, that's just my opinion. They are some scary mother fuckers though. xD

Read an article that when they filmed FIrst Contact they still planned to have the Borg to be computer base and have a computer like voice talking to Data. But the writers had a hard time coming up with dialogue for a computer voice. So they invented the Borg Queen.

@@uncletaylorify I heard similar to that, but it wasn't the writers who decided on the queen, it was Paramount who insisted because they wanted the film to have a villain with a face.

@@mr_h831 I wish KZfaq had notified me of this reply. I disagree with you about the avatar/queen's individuality. If the collective was presenting and expressing itself through an avatar, then it would still behave as though it was an individual because the collective is a single individual mind. Remember that the Borg is effectively a single lifeform who's mind is a collection of many. So it's use of singular pronouns through an avatar makes sense.

@@pepperVenge But also remember that the borg have been proven to stay connected, but also maintain individuality. Voyager shows this with a single episode, where it isn't in the interest of a borg colony to impose their will onto other's. And therefore, each person maintains their personality to some extent, but they are still all connected. Now that is of course an isolated case, where yet again the borg are separated from the main borg hive mind for some time. And thus have to develop separately to survive. And that is the one thing that even the borg cannot surpress, simple, basic need for survival. They try with all their fancy self sustaining machinery, but what happens when it starts to break? Where the self stutainable isn't so sustainable anymore? I still personally think that the borg can develop and keep a personality on a massive scale if they wanted to. But as it is, the hive mind as a majority operates as just that, a hive mind. But even a hive mind needs a way to sort the chaos. That's like having no way to funnel the data streams of a computer to any one direction. So to me, her explanation of she is some sort of emissary, isn't really a bad one. It makes sense from a mechanical perspective. But hey, everyone's opinion will differ. Especially on something like the borg. Where it isn't fully explained. :) And uh, no problem on the whole no notification thing. KZfaq is like that sometimes. :)

That's the problem nowadays the people who run fiction think they have to explain everything, lets look at that abortion of a movie Solo: Lucasfilm: This is how he got the Millennium Falcon Fan: Cool, this is what was alluded to in ESB Lucasfilm: This is how he got the dice Fans: What dice? Lucasfilm: This is how he got his Blaster Fans: What? we don't really care. Lucasfilm: This is how he got his name Fans: Wait, what? Solo wasn't his real name? are you people mental?.

@@snipedude4953 I agree; a lot of movie directors/writers these days seem to think they have to hold your hand through everything, explaining things too thoroughly instead of letting a scene explain itself, leaving details as simply details, or letting the viewers come to their own conclusions. It insults our intelligence, and just makes things more boring by dragging scenes out longer than they need to be. The real world is full of tons of unexplained details that are simply atmospheric, and even in a setting like Star Wars, that casual amount of atmospheric filler makes it relatable. A perfect example would be Jabba’s palace in Return of the Jedi. As strange as the surroundings are, we didn’t need them to be explained to recognize a throne room with a band jazzing it up, or that Jabba was a demanding and powerful being, or that he was smoking a sci-fi Hooka. You could feel his influence over the crowd the moment Luke entered, as if you’d walked into a mafia scene. The guards were clearly guards, and you could see the difference between pets and vermin. Disney can do better. They’ve done better in the past, and need to not turn key scenes into exposition central.

V'Ger

same, but if they have an origin, i like the STAR TREK DESTINY novels for it....i think i make the most sense

Whoever made the first Nanodrones, made them with fatal flaws. That lead to geocidal tendency and no ability to imagine or invent anything.

That’s why the romulans and klingons are really op. Having the first round as a free attack, with the enemy not being able to do jackshit, is just evil!

"What will you do about the second one Onoki?"

the last few times I played BotF with Random Events enabled the galaxy was attacked by 4-7 Cubes simultaneously. And since the PC is too stupid to defeat them, they destroyed everything but my territory. With time, this gets pretty boring and tiresome.

@@janedoe4929 Love it Jane, he didn't expect the second asteroid did he.. :-D

I loved that game!

CYBERMEN: PREPARE TO BE UPGRADED!

The Borg: "wait, do i know you, you look familiar?"

The Doctor: "wow, what a rip off".

Hydrogen One I remember how that sent chills down my spine.

Maybe the Goa'uld from stargate, give them some love.

Tell that to 8472.

RRW; 1. Starfleet resisted first. 2. Species 5618 was able to beat Species 8472 on multiple occasions.

1. We have no idea how long 8472 was fighting the borg and the events of contact would have happened with or without Starfleet contact. 2. How many species in the Delta quadrant faced a single cube and survived? It isn't that uncommon. Also, have you heard the fan theory that the Borg didn't send the cubes to assimilate the Federation, just to assimilate whatever tactics they used against them so that they can better defend themselves from other's trying to use those same tactics?

1. Fair enough point. 2. Don't know how that response connects to mine. To your response, that doesn't seem like a waste of resources when all they have to do is send a sphere or smaller and just upload data from an Starfleet vessel. If the Borg were fighting 8472 before hand wouldn't the Borg need every ship they have as well as trying to learn tactics form civilizations with similar tactics and biology or ones made to directly oppose them instead of a civilization like the Federation who have little in common in terms of tactics and ideology with 8472.

The Borg are a joke

LOL

Mr Borg? This is Mr John Johnson and can you just Do one thing.

Ha ha ha ha very funny man ha ha ha ha

Just install Windows and let them play solitaire all day

The videos where people ruin tech scammers are really cathartic

I know. Lilly in First Contact perfectly described the Borg as bionic zombies.

AndrewJamesWilliams True the Borg are quite a scary group of species

It’s even more chilling when you hear that disembodied Legion-esque voice. Even better if it’s too indistinct to make out the words, like what Phlox starts hearing as he’s being assimilated

Spider mite spray explain that point it seems like anti fascism would be for freedom and individualism

@@wutntarnation yeah because disagree with you makes me a fascist all I said is that most antifa are anti fascist and I never called you fascist

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"We are the Borg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. Your biological and technological distinctiveness will be added to our own. Your culture will adapt to service us. Resistance is futile."

I have always been of the mindset that death is much preferable than to becoming Borg. So were I captain of a Starfleet ship and the Borg were stating their list of ridiculousness I would open fire and fight till either or both of our ships were destroyed. Can't become a Borg if you're dead!

Adam Gray just ram the ship into the cube and trigger a warp core breach. Nothing survives a core breach

There is that too, @@Jaymac720. "Assimilate my atoms, bitches!". lol

I rather like the Destiny books origin for the Borg: basically an advanced race used Omega reactors to power their "perfect" society, where man and machine have merged, basically all matter everywhere is made of programmable matter called catoms that they can reshape on a whim. Through an accident, some were cast back in time to a desolate world, badly injured, and their damaged catoms desperately struggled to keep them alive. When there wasn't enough biological matter, the catoms adapted by replacing failing segments with cruder mechanical components. By the time the natives found them, they were nearly brain-dead, with the catoms having but a few directives uncorrupted: adapt, survive, assimilate, seek perfection, obtain Omega power. This also resulted in the most chilling incarnation of the Borg and their mantra, imo. The Federation was reaching the point where the Borg were no longer a threat, so they switched from assimilation to extermination, arriving in Federation space with this message: "We are the Borg. You will be annihilated. Your biological and technological distinctiveness have become irrelevant. Resistance is futile... but welcome."

Or worse. Computer program told to become ‘perfect’. Unguided AI with unlimited options and rough goals is scary. They have no feeling/fear and they want to complete their goal

I'd have trouble resisting T'Pol as well. Especially with her longer hair and that bare-midriff Terran Empire uniform. Star Trek definitely has the hottest women in Sci-Fi by far! LOL

...or as I like to call her: 6 of 9 😏🤙

@@redpillsatori3020 Can't wait for the Borg stoner comedy: 4 of 20

Surrendering my free will never looked so tempting.

Well who wouldn't want to participate in single cell fertilization with 7 of 9?

Well the big design flaw in the borg is that the more humans you get in one place the dumber we are overall. That's jus the law of averages.

Sending that 1 cube was a test and it nearly succeeded that's why they only sent 1 the 2nd time 1 cube is normally enough to assimilate a species

This is assuming they do think. The greatest weakness of the borg is the fact they process information. They are a giant race run on a single AI, which will make the same mistakes and is unable to think outside the box.

@@robh316 Why not test with 100 cubes

@@tinamoul because it's a waste of resources there going off past experiences with other species of a similar technological development 1 cube is normally enough.borg space is vast requires huge number of ships to occupy just sending hundreds of cubes is only ever done on rare occasions

Like an Avatar!

Like the Flood Graveminds?

The voice of any one borg IS the voice of the collective.

This could be a fascinating way to explore future Borg evolution; i.e., as they grow the collective becomes a single, self-aware entity that eventually transforms into another cosmic entity (on par with the Q, for example).

@@philiptite6254 A collective consciousness of multiple 4th dimensional beings? Resistance WOULD be futile..

Still though, Species 8472 doesn't want to eat your soul like other extra-dimensional invaders do in other sci-fi, why not let them conquer the galaxy if it means freedom from the impending threat of the Borg?

Becuase they tend to blow up planets with life forms on ‘em with a few ships. They might not want to eat our souls, but they are a bit religious with their ‘the weak shall perish’. Nothing existential, but definitely dead is worse than being alive. Besides, they might try to straight up Sphere Builder the Delta Quadrant, and it’d only get waaay worse from there.

iona2225 I wouldn't call the Undine religious, more like racism taken up to eleven. we know nothing else was alive in their universe so its likely they destroyed everything that wasn't them and would have done the same thing to our galaxy.

8472 were not a problem, and wouldn't have become a problem if the Borg hadn't entered their part of space. Plus Janeway came to an understanding with 8472 as it happens in Voyager so the danger passed.

Voyager had horrible writing and a terrible plot ("We're lost"). Species 8472 was introduced because the writers wanted the Borg (biggest threat = more viewers), but knew there was no rational way they could justify Voyager surviving. Also, what other way to get fanboy viewers than "hot Borg chick?" I remember when that episode started and I saw the Borg cube and I was excited. Then, the off-screen ship blew up the Borg in one shot. After dropping some f-bombs, I told my roommate, "Voyager's going to meet up with that ship and survive three shots." Sure enough, it happened. Exactly three, also. Voyager had ruined both Star Trek and the Borg. I think we tried watching a few more episodes just to see Jeri Ryan, but the writing had become so horrible that we couldn't. From what I've seen, every time Voyager showcased the Borg, they kept nerfing them.

I loved the renegade Episode and think it is one of the best Borg Classic Episode ever.

At exactly that same point my contempt was bred as well-- by the godawful writing of branon braga and HIS complete contempt for the concept of the Borg that had been previously established in TNG

Shit. Most terrifying prospect.

Nah, they’d never be able to assimilate them fast enough before they bred so fast they choked all the ports on a cube

Nah they have to have enough technology, the tribbles aren't even intelligent, the borg are not interested.

@@tonebonebgky2 r/woooooooosh

Tribbles have valuble information on Klingons.

Don’t blame ‘em. They’re wastes of good carbon.

As are the Kazon

Kazon ships don’t even have shields. They’re a bit like Klingons: toon the tech of their oppressors. Unlike Klingons, they haven’t advanced much beyond that. No shields, replicators, or transporters

Artem Bentsionov Kazon have stolen those ships

We look for things.

Or the Reapers. Or the Prometheans. Now that makes me wonder who would win in a free for all between the Cyclons, Borg, Cybermen, Reapers, and Prometheans.

Cybermaybe

@Greppellio I'm guessing you meant "Cylons". But "Cyclons" is actually a cool-sounding typo, lol.

Greppellio what about timelords??

@@occultatumquaestio5226 I feel like the cybermen and the borg would unify. Remember, just before the battle at Canary Wharf, the cybermen tried to co assimilate with the Daleks. They only didn't succeed because the Dalek's view themselves as the perfect being, and that everything else, including cybermen, must die. But if the cybermen met the Daleks, the cybermen would likely offer them the same thing, and since the borg nature is to assimilate, I feel the two would become one technologically based superthreat. At this point, the Cylons would be irrelevant, the reapers, while they would be able to put up some kind of threat, they'd end up losing, and the prometheans would likely be assimilated by force as well.

I don't think the Q are afraid per se of the Borg. John de Lancie Q looked and sounded more annoyed than scared when he told his son that. Its probably more likely that of all the races the Q encounter, the Borg are the most chaotic and difficult to control. So its more like a "Come on I JUST fixed that!" reaction than fear

@@Tenacitybrit difficult to control, yes. Chaotic, no. That's the problem; they are both annoying and boring.

​@@tyrant-den884 They rush in, destroy everything that fights back and assimilate everything else. Sounds chaotic to me. Plus I get why you'd think the Borg are boring, but thats just because they've been overused to the point of ridiculousness, so we're desensitized to just how horrifying they really are. Same thing happened to the Xenomorphs from Alien, they've made so many pieces of media about it they've overexposed it. It just makes me laugh seeing a facehugger or Xeno now.

@@Tenacitybrit I specifically mean from the Q's point of view. Imagine challenging the Borg to a Q shenanigan for the 3rd time.

@@tyrant-den884 OK maybe i'm just dumb but I don't get what you mean

yeah there was zero rhyme or reason or consistency to that absurd farce

We are the Blorg. Lower your shields and surrender your weapons. You will be befriended. Resistance is impolite.

Lmao 😂😂

We are the Bjorg. Lower your shields and surrender your ships. We will add your interior decorations to our own. Your living spaces shall be furnished by us. You will be assimilated. Resistance is futile.

@@StarboyXL9 SPACE CANADIANS!

@@mrbuttocks6772 EH??

Imm glad you understand how the transporters work ^.^ Except you are a copy/clone each time you transport, your matter was broken into energy and data And that was sent And a clone was assembled Rikers accident made 2 clones 1 at each location

@@donovanulrich348 So you die every time you use the transporter? And someone else (exact copy) takes your place?

I prefer the V'ger creating The Borg theory, either way it involves the probe going through a temporal wormhole of some sort, which is what one or more expanded universes books went with. Other sources mention that the Preservers created the Doomsday Machines(Not the name given by the Preservers) to eliminate Borg "infestations" and the Borg apparently have a long lasting rivalry with The Voth, to the point in at last one EU source(Star Trek Online) the Voth had to convert City Ships into Anti-Borg Super Ships and even attempted to use Omega Particles to prevent the Borg from reaching them.

Yep

This is a plot point in the Star Trek novel "The Return". Spock is captured by the Borg but is not assimilated because they think he already had been assimilated previously. It turns out that Voyager 6 had been modified by the Borg, and due to Spock's mind meld with V'ger leaving traces in his mind that the Borg detect, they think he is one of them.

@@zerocooler7 that sounds interesting im going to check it out

The whole idea of a relationship between V‘ger and the Borg comes from a Shatnerverse book. I read it, it‘s terrible, and should have never been published. The book also involves time-traveling to recover Kirk‘s body to make him a Romulan-controlled Zombie sent out to kill Picard, all done using Borg technology which the Romulans have gained through secret cooperation with the Borg. Only because of this, Kirk learns about the V‘ger-Borg relationship. It‘s frankly ridiculous fan fiction written by William Shatner, and should just be ignored. It adds nothing to the whole story, and just elevates a crappy beta canon book.

That's really a sort of meta joke; a kind of "take that" to human self-importance.

Definitely not Swedish

In Icelandic it means "City"

BORK BORK BORK #contryballs forever

Space Quest has the Bjorn instead, likely a jab at the tennis player Bjorn Borg. And instead of normal cubes they use M.C. Escher’s “impossible cube”

That would be the Börg

I understood that reference.

Your proof of this? This seems to be a bizzare theory!

A hive mind isn't evil by nature, just different. The problem with the Borg is that they are driven assimilators.

"They are like storm on horizon. You don't feel emotions toward it, you just struggle to avoid it".

Joel Gawne the wanted destruction of countless civilizations and individuals is evil in its purity.

I think you mean Wraith, who would be a great pick. I've noticed a lot of Stargate suggestions tonight. Cool.

In brightest day in blackest night for those who worship evils might beware my power green lanterns light The klyntar response to you is your resistance is futile you will adapt to the will of the universe perpear for the power of LOVE/HATE|HOPE/FEAR|COMPASSION/GREED|INDEPENDENCE/RELIANCE|CHAOS\BALANCE/ORDER|{light|dark/good|evil}| take all this and become a force of understanding or become less then you are now

*No u*

Never

The Borg, obviously. They adapt. The Empire of Man is stagnant/declining.

Warhammer 40k is a bit insane. In terms of their scale of everything. However, how the Warhammer 40k Universe absolutely hate Artificial Intelligence and that's basically what they would probably classify the Borg. "Purge the Heretic. The Xeno and the Mutant."' Demonic Entities on a Cube would be hilarious though. lol They would have to assimilate 1 Imperial Ship to fully adapt that technology.

The Gorn have a video which is quite cool. Check it out.

"Austin Drone 3:16 says I just assimilated your ass."

@@toddkurzbard Sleep, sleep.

It's hideous

It's one of the star-cruisers from Star Trek Online. There are a lot better looking ships in that game, but these vessels are essentially a less-combat focused and more exploration-focused equivalent of the Sovereign class.

@@VestedUTuber Cool.

they innovate with assimilating and encountering new technology from other species ... as they do not consider it possible that individualist species could ever defeat them .. soo even if they get "beaten back" for them that just means they get better technology to feast on next time

Thing about perfection: it’s unreachable

Yes they can innovate, one of the most terryfing thing about borg is their efficiency. Think of the most developed planet of the federation, and now think how much of resources are used to create art, good living conditions, different people chose different carriers. Borg place you where you will be put to best use. Noo need for a hobby or free time. every single drone builds better future for the collective. They are like ants. Almost undeatable

to be clear, culture is irrelevant to progress

they MUST have fought each other at some point. Assuming neither one of them knew about the other beforehand (which is unlikely considering that Word of God says the Dominion knew of the Federation even before the wormhole was found), the Borg MUST have assimilated someone who knew about them either at the battle of sector 001 or from Voyager. It would be hard for any changinings infiltrating Earth to NOT know about Wolf359 (especially when looking into Sisko's background).

@RRW Good point.

How about Dominion Vs. Species 8472? The Founders and the Undine seem to share several similarities and viewpoints regarding other races, so it would be interesting to see how they'd fare against each other, at least I think so. :)

The problem being, the Founders have absolute control of their forms down to a cellular level. This would point to them being able to isolate or expell the assimilation nanites to keep from being assimilated. If you've been injected with nanites and you can just drop off that part of your body before it spreads and destroy the infected tissue, assimilation would be very difficult and perhaps not worth the effort in the Borg point of view.

The Borg would only win if they militarily converge in their entirety on the Dominions position in the Gamme quadrant, but The Borg simply do not wage war. If it's just a Borg incursion, then the Dominion would repel them. If the Federation can repel them, then the Dominion can.

I do not think they have a say . so no that is not a direct democracy. even ants have more of a say.

More like democracy taken to an extreme, and anything taken to an extreme is dangerous.

They do have a say - watch the episodes with Borg in them. They speak in billions of voices but say the same thing. Also, when they freed seven of 9, Picard and others they all say they heated billions of voices when they were in the collective which drowned out the individual... so yeh they are a direct democracy.

They only have one mind.

Gaiadex Viller no, they express themselves as one but they have a hive mind made up of billions of voices and persons... that’s why they can still function when they are disconnected from the collective... it’s interesting but they are basically a perfect direct democracy. They all make collective decisions and everybody then follows those decisions without protest or moaning.

Purge the xenos

Adapt to the Pulse plasma rifle maybe but they can't assimilate terminators if they don't have any organic components

@@jetfire1153red he is refering to space marines terminators, not the movie ones

Maybe he was but The ones from the terminator film franchise are better because they're not organic beings are they.

jetfire1153red depends on the Terminator model i think

you realize that the Replicators appeared after Voyager ENDED right?

Ooh, I don't remember the process I used several years ago, but I was able to donload all the Ur-Quan Master music to my iPod.

Trill! Trill! Trill!

Be Woke with the Awoken.

After the Trill please do a video on the Zentradi from SDF Macross.

Awoken pls

Trill. I hope we are going to get more information about the Borg in the future